Crime outside of DCPS schools - thread moved

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Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

Agree w/you, PP, but one correction, it is the elected AG, Brian Schwab who prosecutes, or doesn't, most juvenile crime.

In both cases, it's the judges that determine the non-deterring sentences.

Longer sentences don’t deter crime, though, and incarceration isn’t the answer people assume it to be. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf

That’s especially true for young people, who are bad at considering the consequences of their actions in the heat of the moment.

But all this is much more than a DCPS issue.

We're not talking longer sentences, we're talking kids not getting anything. Like the kid is carjacking someone at gun point and being let go!! And then doing it again, rinse and repeat. Yes that's enabling crime. Why? This is what's happening at DC. And there is a direct correlation between crime rates and prosecution rates in DC right now. There are too many examples to count.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

Agree w/you, PP, but one correction, it is the elected AG, Brian Schwab who prosecutes, or doesn't, most juvenile crime.

In both cases, it's the judges that determine the non-deterring sentences.

Longer sentences don’t deter crime, though, and incarceration isn’t the answer people assume it to be. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf

That’s especially true for young people, who are bad at considering the consequences of their actions in the heat of the moment.

But all this is much more than a DCPS issue.

We're not talking longer sentences, we're talking kids not getting anything. Like the kid is carjacking someone at gun point and being let go!! And then doing it again, rinse and repeat. Yes that's enabling crime. Why? This is what's happening at DC. And there is a direct correlation between crime rates and prosecution rates in DC right now. There are too many examples to count.

guess the kids are being prosecuted by local DC AG though not for carjacking. USAO is abysmal and unhelpful with reasons why they drop charges so much.

Do I care if it's a kid or adult shooting a gun in the vicinity of my kid's school? Not particularly. Should teens who use automatic guns in the vicinity of a school get harsher sentences? Yes. Might say that using a gun equipped for automatic fire like a machine gun, as was used in the Dunbar shooting, should be charged as an adult.

In the meanwhile, DCPS needs dramatically increased truancy outreach to try to prevent kids from getting to that point

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Two people have been arrested in the shooting--both seniors at Dunbar.

https://wtop.com/dc/2024/05/17-year-old-charged-as-adult-held-without-bond-in-dunbar-high-school-shooting/

For the poster above who thinks the firing tempo sounds like a machine gun: One of the charges is "possession of a 'large capacity ammunition feeding device.' "

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

Agree w/you, PP, but one correction, it is the elected AG, Brian Schwab who prosecutes, or doesn't, most juvenile crime.

In both cases, it's the judges that determine the non-deterring sentences.

Longer sentences don’t deter crime, though, and incarceration isn’t the answer people assume it to be. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf

That’s especially true for young people, who are bad at considering the consequences of their actions in the heat of the moment.

But all this is much more than a DCPS issue.

We're not talking longer sentences, we're talking kids not getting anything. Like the kid is carjacking someone at gun point and being let go!! And then doing it again, rinse and repeat. Yes that's enabling crime. Why? This is what's happening at DC. And there is a direct correlation between crime rates and prosecution rates in DC right now. There are too many examples to count.

guess the kids are being prosecuted by local DC AG though not for carjacking. USAO is abysmal and unhelpful with reasons why they drop charges so much.

Do I care if it's a kid or adult shooting a gun in the vicinity of my kid's school? Not particularly. Should teens who use automatic guns in the vicinity of a school get harsher sentences? Yes. Might say that using a gun equipped for automatic fire like a machine gun, as was used in the Dunbar shooting, should be charged as an adult.

In the meanwhile, DCPS needs dramatically increased truancy outreach to try to prevent kids from getting to that point

The adult is likely randomly shooting by the school. Which is awful. But the he kid might be a student (the Dunar shooters are) or otherwise connected to the school or its students. That means their guns and their violence are much likely to be in the vicinity of other kids at school much more often -- probably daily. This worries me a lot.

Increasing truancy outreach to PREVENT kids getting to that point is important but what about the kids who are already at that point? Are we pushing these kids back to schools? Are the schools ready?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

Agree w/you, PP, but one correction, it is the elected AG, Brian Schwab who prosecutes, or doesn't, most juvenile crime.

In both cases, it's the judges that determine the non-deterring sentences.

Longer sentences don’t deter crime, though, and incarceration isn’t the answer people assume it to be. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf

That’s especially true for young people, who are bad at considering the consequences of their actions in the heat of the moment.

But all this is much more than a DCPS issue.

We're not talking longer sentences, we're talking kids not getting anything. Like the kid is carjacking someone at gun point and being let go!! And then doing it again, rinse and repeat. Yes that's enabling crime. Why? This is what's happening at DC. And there is a direct correlation between crime rates and prosecution rates in DC right now. There are too many examples to count.

guess the kids are being prosecuted by local DC AG though not for carjacking. USAO is abysmal and unhelpful with reasons why they drop charges so much.

Do I care if it's a kid or adult shooting a gun in the vicinity of my kid's school? Not particularly. Should teens who use automatic guns in the vicinity of a school get harsher sentences? Yes. Might say that using a gun equipped for automatic fire like a machine gun, as was used in the Dunbar shooting, should be charged as an adult.

In the meanwhile, DCPS needs dramatically increased truancy outreach to try to prevent kids from getting to that point

The adult is likely randomly shooting by the school. Which is awful. But the he kid might be a student (the Dunar shooters are) or otherwise connected to the school or its students. That means their guns and their violence are much likely to be in the vicinity of other kids at school much more often -- probably daily. This worries me a lot.

Increasing truancy outreach to PREVENT kids getting to that point is important but what about the kids who are already at that point? Are we pushing these kids back to schools? Are the schools ready?

How do we hold parents accountable when their kids have a history of truancy? No doubt these kids' issues started years prior. Or get the kids out of their useless parents' homes if the parents are absent. Though foster care isn't a great solution either. Maybe DC needs a publicly funded boarding school for kids whose parents are failing them even after repeated intervention at an early age. I don't know, I'm grasping at straws here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never look in the politics forum. So, I agree it should be here. We need to discuss how to protect students in and around school. I mean a student was shot inside a school while sitting at her desk by a shootout outside the school? What?! How did I not know this? Why is this not getting coverage?

It is getting a lot of coverage. It's been in the Post every day and on local tv news.

https://wapo.st/4a9rQ3K

[Anonymous]

There have been at least three shootings outside TR@Young/TR Middle/Phelps this year.