SLAC with strong ED numbers that aren't 35% athletes

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even from Sidwell or STA a B+/A- kid isn’t getting into Williams or bowdoin, even with ED full pay. A reach would be bates. More likely ED at a place like bucknell.



this is a NYC school that, per naviance, has kids getting into Williams w same GPA. There's a bit of grade deflation, for sure.


The pattern from your school is the most important thing. Get the counselor to tell you if previous accepted applicants were athletes/hooked.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even from Sidwell or STA a B+/A- kid isn’t getting into Williams or bowdoin, even with ED full pay. A reach would be bates. More likely ED at a place like bucknell.



this is a NYC school that, per naviance, has kids getting into Williams w same GPA. There's a bit of grade deflation, for sure.

You do you, but clearly you know the kid isn’t at Williams or bowdoin level as an unhooked non athlete even if they are coming from the best NYC private. You’re on here trying to figure out how to best game ED and the suggestion is to apply to a tier or two lower, like bates. If you want to get in ED and be done you’ll need to apply to a school like that or a better ranked midwestern school like Grinnell. Thems the breaks kid!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even from Sidwell or STA a B+/A- kid isn’t getting into Williams or bowdoin, even with ED full pay. A reach would be bates. More likely ED at a place like bucknell.



this is a NYC school that, per naviance, has kids getting into Williams w same GPA. There's a bit of grade deflation, for sure.

You do you, but clearly you know the kid isn’t at Williams or bowdoin level as an unhooked non athlete even if they are coming from the best NYC private. You’re on here trying to figure out how to best game ED and the suggestion is to apply to a tier or two lower, like bates. If you want to get in ED and be done you’ll need to apply to a school like that or a better ranked midwestern school like Grinnell. Thems the breaks kid!

Also meant to add - if a kid with Bs is getting in from your elite private you know that kid is an URM (or states they are on the app), the parent is a major donor case (ie donating 7 figures which is way more common w NYC money), a power player parents, legacy, or maybe a recruited athlete (less likely)
Anonymous
Davidson. Has significant ED advantage, but fewer athletes than many SLACs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even from Sidwell or STA a B+/A- kid isn’t getting into Williams or bowdoin, even with ED full pay. A reach would be bates. More likely ED at a place like bucknell.



this is a NYC school that, per naviance, has kids getting into Williams w same GPA. There's a bit of grade deflation, for sure.

You do you, but clearly you know the kid isn’t at Williams or bowdoin level as an unhooked non athlete even if they are coming from the best NYC private. You’re on here trying to figure out how to best game ED and the suggestion is to apply to a tier or two lower, like bates. If you want to get in ED and be done you’ll need to apply to a school like that or a better ranked midwestern school like Grinnell. Thems the breaks kid!

Also meant to add - if a kid with Bs is getting in from your elite private you know that kid is an URM (or states they are on the app), the parent is a major donor case (ie donating 7 figures which is way more common w NYC money), a power player parents, legacy, or maybe a recruited athlete (less likely)


A 90 at our school is a B+ at our school. And not easy to get. A 90 at other schools is easy to get and fully an A.

dont know this OP's school, but I wouldnt be so arrogant. at our NYC private, a kid with a few B+s (ie 90) gets into Williams.

your GC will know, OP
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Colby ED. Much easier admit than Bowdoin, Williams, Hamilton. And at Colby, honestly, even the athletes aren't that athletic.


This assessment of Colby is out of date. The new athletic center is attracting a ton of athlete applicants.
Anonymous
Which SLACS other than Oberlin have good science programs? Thinking of whether it's worth it for my A-/B+ kid to ED anywhere or to just try their luck in EA with state schools. We will be full pay.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Which SLACS other than Oberlin have good science programs? Thinking of whether it's worth it for my A-/B+ kid to ED anywhere or to just try their luck in EA with state schools. We will be full pay.


Top producers of Chem Ph.D.s per capita (among their alums) include:
Harvey Mudd
Juniata
Carleton
Kalamazoo
Wabash
Allegheny
Hope
Grinnell
Haverford
Wooster
Hendrix
Williams
St. Olaf
Reed
Earlham

Top producers of Bio Ph.D.s per capita (among their alums) include:
Hampshire
Haverford
Pomona
Swarthmore
Earlham
Carleton
Mount Holyoke
Grinnell
Harvey Mudd
Amherst
Reed
Allegheny
St. Olaf
Ursinus
Juniata

Top producers of Physics Ph.D.s per capita (among their alums) include:
Harvey Mudd
Reed
Swarthmore
Haverford
Carleton
Grinnell
Williams
Kenyon

(Lots more SLACs on other STEM lists and in places beyond #20: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#chemistry)

Anonymous
OP, it’s not as well-known (or has as low admit rates) as the east coast LACs, but Whitman College felt similar to NESCACs but with a mellower vibe, and it’s only 17% varsity athletes. Very well resourced for its size/location, too.
Anonymous
The list of PhDs are really interesting and helpful. I’m pleasantly surprised by how many off-the-beaten-track schools are on the STEM lists. Thank you, PP.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even from Sidwell or STA a B+/A- kid isn’t getting into Williams or bowdoin, even with ED full pay. A reach would be bates. More likely ED at a place like bucknell.



this is a NYC school that, per naviance, has kids getting into Williams w same GPA. There's a bit of grade deflation, for sure.


The pattern from your school is the most important thing. Get the counselor to tell you if previous accepted applicants were athletes/hooked.


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The high school matters more than any other thing.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Davidson. Has significant ED advantage, but fewer athletes than many SLACs.
Huh? Davidson is Division 1 sports. There are not fewer athletes at Davidson.
Anonymous
Percentage athletes:

Williams 36%
Swarthmore 33%
Trinity 33%
Hamilton 33%
Wash and Lee 32%
Amherst 30%
Haverford 30%
Kenyon 30%
Grinnell 26%
Davidson 26%
Middlebury 26%
Holy Cross 23%
Occidental 22%
Carleton 20%
Princeton 19%
Colgate 18%
Macalester 18%
Vassar 17%
Tufts 14%
Brown 13%
Georgetown 11%
Hampshire 11%
John’s Hopkins 10%
Bard 10%
Rice 10%
Notre Dame 9%
Wake Forest 8%
William and Mary 8%
WashU 7%
Chicago 7%
Boston College 7%
Virginia 5%
Fordham 5%
George Washington 4%
USC 3%
Ole Miss 3%
American 3%
Indiana 2%
Arizona 2%
Texas 2%
Maryland 2%
NYU 2%
St. John’s 0%
Reed 0%
Anonymous
Double check numbers for any school interested in, obviously, and this is a month or two old so data may or may not have turned over.
Anonymous
Where do these numbers come from? I only ask bcs I’ve read Amherst can be as high as 40%. Never heard lower than 35%
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