WashPost: one US college closing per week

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Anonymous wrote:This is why most people only want to go to a T20 school.

Uh, no.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't there like 3,000 to 4,000 colleges

Degree earning, yes; but the article clearly is including for profit colleges and non-degree awarding colleges, so that number is more like 7,000.

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Anonymous wrote:Minnesota and UMass? Ah, no.

Of course they will shrink enrollment. Minnesota already will do pretty much anything to get out of state students.

The very average son of my neighbor was offered lots of money to go from DC. They need bodies.

Any state school that depends mostly on in- state applicants and is in a declining state, will have to cut enrollment.

Why will they have to cut enrollment if that is what keeps them open? They may need to flex their programs and offer other job training, certificates, etc but cutting enrollment will not allow them to vover fixed costs. They will need to figure out how to maintain enrollment or diversify revenue amid a declining population.

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cover not vover

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Anonymous wrote:The colleges that will be in trouble:

For-profit colleges everywhere. Their scams have been exposed and their students often can't get aid. Good riddance.

Very small privates with small endowments that, as others have said, started out as: obscure women's colleges, junior colleges, or religiously affiliated with smaller and shrinking denominations that can no longer financially support them.

Larger privates with small endowments that grew recently, and especially those that are in shrinking parts of the US. High Point and Libertv are easy ones to see shrinking. I don't want to pick a fight with Northeastern boosters, but it's hard to see big enrollments continuing there when BU NEU, and maybe BC are all fishing in the same shrinking pool.

Non-flagship state colleges in dying parts of the country will shrink. They have almost no endowments and state legislatures will eventually push for shrinking and consolidating. This process is already underway in PA, with a few of its former teachers colleges (which all greatly expanded over the past 30 or 40 years) being slated to consolidate.

State flagships in declining states will shrink enrollment. They won't disappear, but enrollments will shrink at places like WVU, UMass, UNH, and Minnesota.

Agree with part but not the rest. High Point is growing not shrinking. You will see a larger and larger enrollment there. They are taking from the pool that you correctly say is in trouble. No idea on Liberty.

On Boston -- BC does not fish in the same water as BU never mind NEU. BC overlap are Ivy's, UVA, ND, and the like. If anything NEU is the safety for BC. I don't see NEU in trouble. They have a model and will take from the places below them.

I also do not see those state school you listed in any trouble or cutting back at all. They will all take from the failing pool of places that you listed. UMAss in particular. They will fill seats at the flagship from the non-flagships. Those will take seats from the failing ones.

I have to think that a place like High Point will be in trouble. It's grown like crazy by offering high end amenities to attract full-pay kids who can't get into places like Tulane or Wake Forest. When we go over the demographic cliff, Tulane and Wake Forest will say yes to those less than stellar, but full-pay, students. And if they need a little merit to be more attractive, they've got endowments to get them through the challenge. High Point is already accepting almost 80%. But even if they take everyone, they'll be left with a more needy group of students, and it will be hard to keep up the amenities. And once the amenities and the general sense of affluence are gone, then the magic is gone. And High Point will be in trouble.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The colleges that will be in trouble:

For-profit colleges everywhere. Their scams have been exposed and their students often can't get aid. Good riddance.

Very small privates with small endowments that, as others have said, started out as: obscure women's colleges, junior colleges, or religiously affiliated with smaller and shrinking denominations that can no longer financially support them.

Larger privates with small endowments that grew recently, and especially those that are in shrinking parts of the US. High Point and Libertv are easy ones to see shrinking. I don't want to pick a fight with Northeastern boosters, but it's hard to see big enrollments continuing there when BU NEU, and maybe BC are all fishing in the same shrinking pool.

Non-flagship state colleges in dying parts of the country will shrink. They have almost no endowments and state legislatures will eventually push for shrinking and consolidating. This process is already underway in PA, with a few of its former teachers colleges (which all greatly expanded over the past 30 or 40 years) being slated to consolidate.

State flagships in declining states will shrink enrollment. They won't disappear, but enrollments will shrink at places like WVU, UMass, UNH, and Minnesota.

Agree with part but not the rest. High Point is growing not shrinking. You will see a larger and larger enrollment there. They are taking from the pool that you correctly say is in trouble. No idea on Liberty.

On Boston -- BC does not fish in the same water as BU never mind NEU. BC overlap are Ivy's, UVA, ND, and the like. If anything NEU is the safety for BC. I don't see NEU in trouble. They have a model and will take from the places below them.

I also do not see those state school you listed in any trouble or cutting back at all. They will all take from the failing pool of places that you listed. UMAss in particular. They will fill seats at the flagship from the non-flagships. Those will take seats from the failing ones.

I have to think that a place like High Point will be in trouble. It's grown like crazy by offering high end amenities to attract full-pay kids who can't get into places like Tulane or Wake Forest. When we go over the demographic cliff, Tulane and Wake Forest will say yes to those less than stellar, but full-pay, students. And if they need a little merit to be more attractive, they've got endowments to get them through the challenge. High Point is already accepting almost 80%. But even if they take everyone, they'll be left with a more needy group of students, and it will be hard to keep up the amenities. And once the amenities and the general sense of affluence are gone, then the magic is gone. And High Point will be in trouble.

High point was never known for academics. Wake and Tulane are known for decent academics. A lot of small liberal arts colleges in New York and PA will also be in trouble. Schools like Urisnus or Union are on shaky ground as is. With more kids choosing state schools, these schools will not have as many customers. A kid 20 years ago from the Northeast who would have gone to Union or WPI for engineering can get merit at Aubuurn or Purdue.

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Anonymous wrote:It's because liberal arts degrees are not as popular anymore. The market has shifted.

Liberal arts degrees are as popular among top students and bode fine for their careers though not popular or useful for average and below average students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The colleges that will be in trouble:

For-profit colleges everywhere. Their scams have been exposed and their students often can't get aid. Good riddance.

Very small privates with small endowments that, as others have said, started out as: obscure women's colleges, junior colleges, or religiously affiliated with smaller and shrinking denominations that can no longer financially support them.

Larger privates with small endowments that grew recently, and especially those that are in shrinking parts of the US. High Point and Libertv are easy ones to see shrinking. I don't want to pick a fight with Northeastern boosters, but it's hard to see big enrollments continuing there when BU NEU, and maybe BC are all fishing in the same shrinking pool.

Non-flagship state colleges in dying parts of the country will shrink. They have almost no endowments and state legislatures will eventually push for shrinking and consolidating. This process is already underway in PA, with a few of its former teachers colleges (which all greatly expanded over the past 30 or 40 years) being slated to consolidate.

State flagships in declining states will shrink enrollment. They won't disappear, but enrollments will shrink at places like WVU, UMass, UNH, and Minnesota.

Agree with part but not the rest. High Point is growing not shrinking. You will see a larger and larger enrollment there. They are taking from the pool that you correctly say is in trouble. No idea on Liberty.

On Boston -- BC does not fish in the same water as BU never mind NEU. BC overlap are Ivy's, UVA, ND, and the like. If anything NEU is the safety for BC. I don't see NEU in trouble. They have a model and will take from the places below them.

I also do not see those state school you listed in any trouble or cutting back at all. They will all take from the failing pool of places that you listed. UMAss in particular. They will fill seats at the flagship from the non-flagships. Those will take seats from the failing ones.

I have to think that a place like High Point will be in trouble. It's grown like crazy by offering high end amenities to attract full-pay kids who can't get into places like Tulane or Wake Forest. When we go over the demographic cliff, Tulane and Wake Forest will say yes to those less than stellar, but full-pay, students. And if they need a little merit to be more attractive, they've got endowments to get them through the challenge. High Point is already accepting almost 80%. But even if they take everyone, they'll be left with a more needy group of students, and it will be hard to keep up the amenities. And once the amenities and the general sense of affluence are gone, then the magic is gone. And High Point will be in trouble.

High point was never known for academics. Wake and Tulane are known for decent academics. A lot of small liberal arts colleges in New York and PA will also be in trouble. Schools like Urisnus or Union are on shaky ground as is. With more kids choosing state schools, these schools will not have as many customers. A kid 20 years ago from the Northeast who would have gone to Union or WPI for engineering can get merit at Aubuurn or Purdue.

You're assuming that state legislatures will keep saying yes as enrollment declines, revenue declines, but expenses don't.

University of Arizona has a quarter-billion dollar shortfall. Penn State has 120 million. Rutgers and Minnesota have multimillion dollar shortfalls.

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Anonymous wrote:https://wapo.st/4b31Cky

Now, more than ever, families and students pursuing higher education opportunities must do their research into the financial viability of colleges as well as the long-term cost of tuition, student loans, and other expenses. In many cases, this is almost as big a financial investment as buying a home.

This is why USNWR is still a popular reference.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The colleges that will be in trouble:

For-profit colleges everywhere. Their scams have been exposed and their students often can't get aid. Good riddance.

Very small privates with small endowments that, as others have said, started out as: obscure women's colleges, junior colleges, or religiously affiliated with smaller and shrinking denominations that can no longer financially support them.

Larger privates with small endowments that grew recently, and especially those that are in shrinking parts of the US. High Point and Libertv are easy ones to see shrinking. I don't want to pick a fight with Northeastern boosters, but it's hard to see big enrollments continuing there when BU NEU, and maybe BC are all fishing in the same shrinking pool.

Non-flagship state colleges in dying parts of the country will shrink. They have almost no endowments and state legislatures will eventually push for shrinking and consolidating. This process is already underway in PA, with a few of its former teachers colleges (which all greatly expanded over the past 30 or 40 years) being slated to consolidate.

State flagships in declining states will shrink enrollment. They won't disappear, but enrollments will shrink at places like WVU, UMass, UNH, and Minnesota.

Agree with part but not the rest. High Point is growing not shrinking. You will see a larger and larger enrollment there. They are taking from the pool that you correctly say is in trouble. No idea on Liberty.

On Boston -- BC does not fish in the same water as BU never mind NEU. BC overlap are Ivy's, UVA, ND, and the like. If anything NEU is the safety for BC. I don't see NEU in trouble. They have a model and will take from the places below them.

I also do not see those state school you listed in any trouble or cutting back at all. They will all take from the failing pool of places that you listed. UMAss in particular. They will fill seats at the flagship from the non-flagships. Those will take seats from the failing ones.

I have to think that a place like High Point will be in trouble. It's grown like crazy by offering high end amenities to attract full-pay kids who can't get into places like Tulane or Wake Forest. When we go over the demographic cliff, Tulane and Wake Forest will say yes to those less than stellar, but full-pay, students. And if they need a little merit to be more attractive, they've got endowments to get them through the challenge. High Point is already accepting almost 80%. But even if they take everyone, they'll be left with a more needy group of students, and it will be hard to keep up the amenities. And once the amenities and the general sense of affluence are gone, then the magic is gone. And High Point will be in trouble.

High point was never known for academics. Wake and Tulane are known for decent academics. A lot of small liberal arts colleges in New York and PA will also be in trouble. Schools like Urisnus or Union are on shaky ground as is. With more kids choosing state schools, these schools will not have as many customers. A kid 20 years ago from the Northeast who would have gone to Union or WPI for engineering can get merit at Aubuurn or Purdue.

Why don't you do a little research instead of making up crap and typing it up?

Forbes give financial rankings of A+ to Union, A- to WPI, and B+ to Ursinus. Seems like they can all weather the storm.
But the one you defend, High Point, gets a C.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why most people only want to go to a T20 school.

Most of the big state schools are below T20, and they are fine.

I would be worried about the SLACs.

Decent SLACs have massive endowments

This is true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The colleges that will be in trouble:

For-profit colleges everywhere. Their scams have been exposed and their students often can't get aid. Good riddance.

Very small privates with small endowments that, as others have said, started out as: obscure women's colleges, junior colleges, or religiously affiliated with smaller and shrinking denominations that can no longer financially support them.

Larger privates with small endowments that grew recently, and especially those that are in shrinking parts of the US. High Point and Libertv are easy ones to see shrinking. I don't want to pick a fight with Northeastern boosters, but it's hard to see big enrollments continuing there when BU NEU, and maybe BC are all fishing in the same shrinking pool.

Non-flagship state colleges in dying parts of the country will shrink. They have almost no endowments and state legislatures will eventually push for shrinking and consolidating. This process is already underway in PA, with a few of its former teachers colleges (which all greatly expanded over the past 30 or 40 years) being slated to consolidate.

State flagships in declining states will shrink enrollment. They won't disappear, but enrollments will shrink at places like WVU, UMass, UNH, and Minnesota.

Agree with part but not the rest. High Point is growing not shrinking. You will see a larger and larger enrollment there. They are taking from the pool that you correctly say is in trouble. No idea on Liberty.

On Boston -- BC does not fish in the same water as BU never mind NEU. BC overlap are Ivy's, UVA, ND, and the like. If anything NEU is the safety for BC. I don't see NEU in trouble. They have a model and will take from the places below them.

I also do not see those state school you listed in any trouble or cutting back at all. They will all take from the failing pool of places that you listed. UMAss in particular. They will fill seats at the flagship from the non-flagships. Those will take seats from the failing ones.

BC does not overlap with Ivy schools as in they are the same population. 70 percent of BC students are catholic. Not true of any Ivy. BC is like ND.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The colleges that will be in trouble:

For-profit colleges everywhere. Their scams have been exposed and their students often can't get aid. Good riddance.

Very small privates with small endowments that, as others have said, started out as: obscure women's colleges, junior colleges, or religiously affiliated with smaller and shrinking denominations that can no longer financially support them.

Larger privates with small endowments that grew recently, and especially those that are in shrinking parts of the US. High Point and Libertv are easy ones to see shrinking. I don't want to pick a fight with Northeastern boosters, but it's hard to see big enrollments continuing there when BU NEU, and maybe BC are all fishing in the same shrinking pool.

Non-flagship state colleges in dying parts of the country will shrink. They have almost no endowments and state legislatures will eventually push for shrinking and consolidating. This process is already underway in PA, with a few of its former teachers colleges (which all greatly expanded over the past 30 or 40 years) being slated to consolidate.

State flagships in declining states will shrink enrollment. They won't disappear, but enrollments will shrink at places like WVU, UMass, UNH, and Minnesota.

Agree with part but not the rest. High Point is growing not shrinking. You will see a larger and larger enrollment there. They are taking from the pool that you correctly say is in trouble. No idea on Liberty.

On Boston -- BC does not fish in the same water as BU never mind NEU. BC overlap are Ivy's, UVA, ND, and the like. If anything NEU is the safety for BC. I don't see NEU in trouble. They have a model and will take from the places below them.

I also do not see those state school you listed in any trouble or cutting back at all. They will all take from the failing pool of places that you listed. UMAss in particular. They will fill seats at the flagship from the non-flagships. Those will take seats from the failing ones.

I have to think that a place like High Point will be in trouble. It's grown like crazy by offering high end amenities to attract full-pay kids who can't get into places like Tulane or Wake Forest. When we go over the demographic cliff, Tulane and Wake Forest will say yes to those less than stellar, but full-pay, students. And if they need a little merit to be more attractive, they've got endowments to get them through the challenge. High Point is already accepting almost 80%. But even if they take everyone, they'll be left with a more needy group of students, and it will be hard to keep up the amenities. And once the amenities and the general sense of affluence are gone, then the magic is gone. And High Point will be in trouble.

High point was never known for academics. Wake and Tulane are known for decent academics. A lot of small liberal arts colleges in New York and PA will also be in trouble. Schools like Urisnus or Union are on shaky ground as is. With more kids choosing state schools, these schools will not have as many customers. A kid 20 years ago from the Northeast who would have gone to Union or WPI for engineering can get merit at Aubuurn or Purdue.

Why don't you do a little research instead of making up crap and typing it up?

Forbes give financial rankings of A+ to Union, A- to WPI, and B+ to Ursinus. Seems like they can all weather the storm.
But the one you defend, High Point, gets a C.

High Point seems like a house of cards that will eventually collapse.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why most people only want to go to a T20 school.

Most of the big state schools are below T20, and they are fine.

I would be worried about the SLACs.

Decent SLACs have massive endowments

This is true

+1 for example, Middlebury and Davidson have endowments over 1 billion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why most people only want to go to a T20 school.

Most of the big state schools are below T20, and they are fine.

I would be worried about the SLACs.

Decent SLACs have massive endowments

Not mine! And it's mentioned here frequently. It was s$30 million in the red during Covid. I got hit up six times for donations during those two years. And with legacy going away, schools will no longer be able to look to a large pool of alums to bail them out when the going gets rough