What Winter Championship meets do you like and why?

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Anonymous wrote:I am not talking on about the winter champs in Florida, I am referring to the winter juniors east in Columbus, the same weekend as NCAP Invite. Wouldn’t most of the really fast 15&overs go to Columbus? I thought they were all trying to make that meet to get recruited.

NCAPs fastest 15 and overs generally go to NCI.

No, any swimmer who qualified for Winter Juniors is most certainly not going to an NCAP meet. They are not remotely in the same realm.

If you look at last year’s results, there were in fact swimmers at NCI with times that qualified them for winter juniors. It’s only 2-3 per event, but there are some.

I don’t understand why some of these PPs are just straight talking out of their @sses about something that is so easily disproved by looking at the participants at last year’s meet and their times.

Would it really be DCUM if you didn’t have posters talking about their @sses making easily disproved claims?

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Anonymous wrote:I am not talking on about the winter champs in Florida, I am referring to the winter juniors east in Columbus, the same weekend as NCAP Invite. Wouldn’t most of the really fast 15&overs go to Columbus? I thought they were all trying to make that meet to get recruited.

NCAPs fastest 15 and overs generally go to NCI.

No, any swimmer who qualified for Winter Juniors is most certainly not going to an NCAP meet. They are not remotely in the same realm.

If you look at last year’s results, there were in fact swimmers at NCI with times that qualified them for winter juniors. It’s only 2-3 per event, but there are some.

I don’t understand why some of these PPs are just straight talking out of their @sses about something that is so easily disproved by looking at the participants at last year’s meet and their times.

Would it really be DCUM if you didn’t have posters talking about their @sses making easily disproved claims?

Lol, truer words have never been spoken.

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IMO, both are true: fast NCAP swimmers go to their meet. But Winter Juniors is a faster (and bigger) meet than the NCAP Invite.

My evidence is looking at results from both meets.

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Anonymous wrote:IMO, both are true: fast NCAP swimmers go to their meet. But Winter Juniors is a faster (and bigger) meet than the NCAP Invite.

My evidence is looking at results from both meets.

+1 Weird that NCAP would hold back its most promising recruits from a better, national level meet.

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Anonymous wrote:Mom of College Swimmer-I always liked the Potomac Marlin's winter classic at GMU. It wasn't too fast, and a lot of people make finals for the first time. I also like that pool and parking lot. When my kid got faster they went to NCAP, and that meet is super fast, some of the fastest high school swimmers in the country.

NCI is super fast. My kid just made the cut in one event and was a little bummed because he knows he will be at the bottom at NCI vs making the finals at Turkey Claus.

Are only certain clubs invited to NCI? It looks like there are swimmers from NY, MA, CT, PA and others there. Frankly it seems more competitive than JOs with so many fast non-PVS swimmers.

The 15&O level is particularly competitive.

But aren't the super fast 15&overs going to Winter Juniors in Columbus?

No. My kids’ RMSC training groups has half a dozen kids with those cuts, they’ll swim here at Holiday Invitational.

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Anonymous wrote:IMO, both are true: fast NCAP swimmers go to their meet. But Winter Juniors is a faster (and bigger) meet than the NCAP Invite.

My evidence is looking at results from both meets.

That was not the claim. The claim was: “No, any swimmer who qualified for Winter Juniors is most certainly not going to an NCAP meet”. It is false.

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Anonymous wrote:IMO, both are true: fast NCAP swimmers go to their meet. But Winter Juniors is a faster (and bigger) meet than the NCAP Invite.

My evidence is looking at results from both meets.

+1 Weird that NCAP would hold back its most promising recruits from a better, national level meet.

NCAPs best swimmers have the chance to participate in many national level meets. The fact that they don’t do Winter Juniors means absolutely nothing. NCAP is a nationally recognized club, their swimmers don’t need to go to every national meet they are eligible for. At the NCAP Elite meet this summer, just a regular PVS summer LC meet, Gretchen and Alex Walsh and Thomas Heilman swam.

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Anonymous wrote:Mom of College Swimmer-I always liked the Potomac Marlin's winter classic at GMU. It wasn't too fast, and a lot of people make finals for the first time. I also like that pool and parking lot. When my kid got faster they went to NCAP, and that meet is super fast, some of the fastest high school swimmers in the country.

NCI is super fast. My kid just made the cut in one event and was a little bummed because he knows he will be at the bottom at NCI vs making the finals at Turkey Claus.

Are only certain clubs invited to NCI? It looks like there are swimmers from NY, MA, CT, PA and others there. Frankly it seems more competitive than JOs with so many fast non-PVS swimmers.

The 15&O level is particularly competitive.

But aren't the super fast 15&overs going to Winter Juniors in Columbus?

No. My kids’ RMSC training groups has half a dozen kids with those cuts, they’ll swim here at Holiday Invitational.

Bull. There’s only one RMSC swimmer with any winter junior cuts.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not talking about the winter champs in Florida, I am referring to the winter juniors east in Columbus, the same weekend as NCAP Invite. Wouldn’t most of the really fast 15&overs go to Columbus? I thought they were all trying to make that meet to get recruited.

NCAPs fastest 15 and overs generally go to NCI.

No, any swimmer who qualified for Winter Juniors is most certainly not going to an NCAP meet. They are not remotely in the same realm.

This is not correct- NCap swimmers will always go to NCI EVEN IF they have Winter Juniors cuts. It's non-negotiable for NCap swimmers. That's why you saw Trials qualifiers and junior national team members at NCI and not Winter Juniors.

non-NCap swimmers who make Winter Juniors cuts go to Winter Juniors, tho for sure[/quote]

It depends… what the training group does, what family wants to do, etc. I’d say half or less of RMSC’s qualifiers went to winter juniors last year.

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Anonymous wrote:Mom of College Swimmer-I always liked the Potomac Marlin's winter classic at GMU. It wasn't too fast, and a lot of people make finals for the first time. I also like that pool and parking lot. When my kid got faster they went to NCAP, and that meet is super fast, some of the fastest high school swimmers in the country.

NCI is super fast. My kid just made the cut in one event and was a little bummed because he knows he will be at the bottom at NCI vs making the finals at Turkey Claus.

Are only certain clubs invited to NCI? It looks like there are swimmers from NY, MA, CT, PA and others there. Frankly it seems more competitive than JOs with so many fast non-PVS swimmers.

The 15&O level is particularly competitive.

But aren't the super fast 15&overs going to Winter Juniors in Columbus?

No. My kids’ RMSC training groups has half a dozen kids with those cuts, they’ll swim here at Holiday Invitational.

Bull. There’s only one RMSC swimmer with any winter junior cuts.

Umm, there are at least 4 in the KSAC NTG group alone. At least the same number at Rockville, and one off the top of my head at MLK.

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Anonymous wrote:IMO, both are true: fast NCAP swimmers go to their meet. But Winter Juniors is a faster (and bigger) meet than the NCAP Invite.

My evidence is looking at results from both meets.

+1 Weird that NCAP would hold back its most promising recruits from a better, national level meet.

Many are already committed by that point (or are sophomores who can’t talk to D1 coaches). It saves time and money to swim at home, kids swim well at home, and some are working around semester finals and family travel.

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Anonymous wrote:Mom of College Swimmer-I always liked the Potomac Marlin's winter classic at GMU. It wasn't too fast, and a lot of people make finals for the first time. I also like that pool and parking lot. When my kid got faster they went to NCAP, and that meet is super fast, some of the fastest high school swimmers in the country.

NCI is super fast. My kid just made the cut in one event and was a little bummed because he knows he will be at the bottom at NCI vs making the finals at Turkey Claus.

Are only certain clubs invited to NCI? It looks like there are swimmers from NY, MA, CT, PA and others there. Frankly it seems more competitive than JOs with so many fast non-PVS swimmers.

The 15&O level is particularly competitive.

But aren't the super fast 15&overs going to Winter Juniors in Columbus?

No. My kids’ RMSC training groups has half a dozen kids with those cuts, they’ll swim here at Holiday Invitational.

Bull. There’s only one RMSC swimmer with any winter junior cuts.

Again, there are publicly available lists of qualifiers. I scanned the girls list and saw 4 before I stopped because you are obviously full of sh!t.

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If you think that NCap swimmers go to winter juniors over NCI, you are clearly not a parent of an NCap swimmer

Genmell, Spink, Sun, all trials qualifiers never went to winter juniors

And btw, the fastest Long Island Aquatucs swimmers (Howley, Gormsen, now at UVA) also swam NCI over winter juniors

You all are so dumb it’s painful to read these comments sometimes

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Why are all the elite age groupers at RMSC? Do they switch to NCAP later?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all the elite age groupers at RMSC? Do they switch to NCAP later?

I do think that they switch. It is not uncommon to move clubs as you go to the higher levels. Sometimes for training groups, or a coach, or you think you are plateauing with your current program.