10 & u who are fast due to size

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You can’t help your genetics, but you can train and fuel your body appropriately for your sport. That can make or break any athlete, genetically gifted or not. Small kids that train too hard to overcome the genetic lottery can actually make things worse for themselves in the long run.

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Anonymous wrote:Some stay fast and some don't. Just like small and dedicated but slow 10&unders. Some get fast and some never do.

This is a perfect response! So many people are always like there is only a small percentage of fast 10 year olds that remain fast so you don’t want to be fast at that age but I’m sure the percentage of “slow” swimmers at 10 that become fast is just as small.

Not really talking about that - True, many fast 10u of all sizes stay fast or don’t - but there are some kids who just power through the water with a lot of speed because they are huge (like 2 years physiologically bigger/older at the same age). Puberty tends to even things out, for better or worse.

Meh.

Some kids are always going to be stronger. The others will not catch up in size. Look at their parents.

The other kids might eventually surpass the more powerful ones in skill, but winning at a younger age gives a huge advantage in motivation to keep winning and to sharpen skills.

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There are also some really big 10y/olds who swim at a snails pace. Chalking early success up to size is really oversimplifying things. Some kids are just better at swimming than others. If your kid is good now, they’ll likely want to continue swimming. Every swim kid has to deal with a slump at some point.

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Anonymous wrote:Many times the kids who are big (not just tall) and powerful at the younger ages end up being too big/heavy for swimming long term. Swimming is a sport that favors the naturally long and lean body type.

Not our experience. Big powerful kid is turning to big powerful teen, still smoking the skinny guys. It’s training and diet. Muscle makes a difference.

Wow, Very humble and kind. Hope you didn’t pass your nastiness on to your kid.

You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder about this. Nothing I said was unkind. I said that I have a big kid who is still fast, and goes against the “long and lean” stereotype, and beats the kids who “look” like swimmers in your mind. You don’t have to look a certain way to be fast and the stereotype is frankly harmful. Body comp and fitness is more important.

You don't think it's unkind to say your kid "smokes the skinny guys?" You sound like such a jerk, and like you have a complex about your/your kid's body type.

No. I don’t! Lighten up Francis!

Stunning lack of self-awareness. There’s a dad of a swimmer in our team who was screaming “crush him” while his kid was swimming, referring to the kid swimming next to him. The family has basically been socially ostracized from the whole team due to this dude’s lack of sportsmanship and class.

This is weird.

Everyone cheers for the swimmers and it all fades to background noise for the kids in the water anyways.

It’s bizarre to ostracize a dad for cheering too much. “Crush him!” isn’t that bad. Even the 8u scream out “eat my bubbles!” for their teammates.

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Anonymous wrote:Many times the kids who are big (not just tall) and powerful at the younger ages end up being too big/heavy for swimming long term. Swimming is a sport that favors the naturally long and lean body type.

Not our experience. Big powerful kid is turning to big powerful teen, still smoking the skinny guys. It’s training and diet. Muscle makes a difference.

Wow, Very humble and kind. Hope you didn’t pass your nastiness on to your kid.

You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder about this. Nothing I said was unkind. I said that I have a big kid who is still fast, and goes against the “long and lean” stereotype, and beats the kids who “look” like swimmers in your mind. You don’t have to look a certain way to be fast and the stereotype is frankly harmful. Body comp and fitness is more important.

You don't think it's unkind to say your kid "smokes the skinny guys?" You sound like such a jerk, and like you have a complex about your/your kid's body type.

No. I don’t! Lighten up Francis!

Stunning lack of self-awareness. There’s a dad of a swimmer in our team who was screaming “crush him” while his kid was swimming, referring to the kid swimming next to him. The family has basically been socially ostracized from the whole team due to this dude’s lack of sportsmanship and class.

This is weird.

Everyone cheers for the swimmers and it all fades to background noise for the kids in the water anyways.

It’s bizarre to ostracize a dad for cheering too much. “Crush him!” isn’t that bad. Even the 8u scream out “eat my bubbles!” for their teammates.

You think it’s appropriate for a grown man to scream “crush him” about a 10 year old kid? Who also was a teammate? This is everything that is wrong with youth sports in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:Many times the kids who are big (not just tall) and powerful at the younger ages end up being too big/heavy for swimming long term. Swimming is a sport that favors the naturally long and lean body type.

Not our experience. Big powerful kid is turning to big powerful teen, still smoking the skinny guys. It’s training and diet. Muscle makes a difference.

Wow, Very humble and kind. Hope you didn’t pass your nastiness on to your kid.

You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder about this. Nothing I said was unkind. I said that I have a big kid who is still fast, and goes against the “long and lean” stereotype, and beats the kids who “look” like swimmers in your mind. You don’t have to look a certain way to be fast and the stereotype is frankly harmful. Body comp and fitness is more important.

You don't think it's unkind to say your kid "smokes the skinny guys?" You sound like such a jerk, and like you have a complex about your/your kid's body type.

No. I don’t! Lighten up Francis!

Stunning lack of self-awareness. There’s a dad of a swimmer in our team who was screaming “crush him” while his kid was swimming, referring to the kid swimming next to him. The family has basically been socially ostracized from the whole team due to this dude’s lack of sportsmanship and class.

This is weird.

Everyone cheers for the swimmers and it all fades to background noise for the kids in the water anyways.

It’s bizarre to ostracize a dad for cheering too much. “Crush him!” isn’t that bad. Even the 8u scream out “eat my bubbles!” for their teammates.

I don't find that bizarre at all, it seems appropriate to me. It can be cute if it's 8u kids, no so much for dad, two entirely different things.

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Anonymous wrote:There are also some really big 10y/olds who swim at a snails pace. Chalking early success up to size is really oversimplifying things. Some kids are just better at swimming than others. If your kid is good now, they’ll likely want to continue swimming. Every swim kid has to deal with a slump at some point.

There are 10 yo girls who are well into puberty and 5'6" and 115 lbs. My 10 yo is 50" and 53 lbs. Based on a conversation with her pediatrician she's likely going to hit puberty at 13 yo--well on the late side. It does matter. It's not everything, but it absolutely matters.

Some 10 yo girls are built like teens and others are still built like little kids. (The same split happens for boys, but a bit later.)

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Anonymous wrote:Many times the kids who are big (not just tall) and powerful at the younger ages end up being too big/heavy for swimming long term. Swimming is a sport that favors the naturally long and lean body type.

Not our experience. Big powerful kid is turning to big powerful teen, still smoking the skinny guys. It’s training and diet. Muscle makes a difference.

Wow, Very humble and kind. :roll: Hope you didn’t pass your nastiness on to your kid.

You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder about this. Nothing I said was unkind. I said that I have a big kid who is still fast, and goes against the “long and lean” stereotype, and beats the kids who “look” like swimmers in your mind. You don’t have to look a certain way to be fast and the stereotype is frankly harmful. Body comp and fitness is more important.

You don't think it's unkind to say your kid "smokes the skinny guys?" You sound like such a jerk, and like you have a complex about your/your kid's body type.

No. I don’t! Lighten up Francis!

Stunning lack of self-awareness. There’s a dad of a swimmer in our team who was screaming “crush him” while his kid was swimming, referring to the kid swimming next to him. The family has basically been socially ostracized from the whole team due to this dude’s lack of sportsmanship and class.

This is weird.

Everyone cheers for the swimmers and it all fades to background noise for the kids in the water anyways.

It’s bizarre to ostracize a dad for cheering too much. “Crush him!” isn’t that bad. Even the 8u scream out “eat my bubbles!” for their teammates.

The PP clearly has sour grapes about some big kid beating their smaller kid. Why else personally attack someone over such a banal comment? Some kids “smoke” their competition despite not looking like Michael Phelps. That was my point, which went right over her head. I’m not that dad, and I would not scream that at a meet, but come on, it’s a competitive sport. Have some fun!

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Anonymous wrote:There are also some really big 10y/olds who swim at a snails pace. Chalking early success up to size is really oversimplifying things. Some kids are just better at swimming than others. If your kid is good now, they’ll likely want to continue swimming. Every swim kid has to deal with a slump at some point.

There are 10 yo girls who are well into puberty and 5'6" and 115 lbs. My 10 yo is 50" and 53 lbs. Based on a conversation with her pediatrician she's likely going to hit puberty at 13 yo--well on the late side. It does matter. It's not everything, but it absolutely matters.

Some 10 yo girls are built like teens and others are still built like little kids. (The same split happens for boys, but a bit later.)

I have a 13 year old swimmer whose doctor told me I have another 2 years before puberty. She has just started growing and at 5 feet and some change is well below the height of all of her friends who have had their periods and have stopped growing. Her dad if 6’5” and I am 5’8” so she has a chance at some height but probably won’t hit it until 15-16. Three years is a long time to be fighting to keep up with the 5’5” and 5’6” girls. So she has to keep loving it.

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Anonymous wrote:There are also some really big 10y/olds who swim at a snails pace. Chalking early success up to size is really oversimplifying things. Some kids are just better at swimming than others. If your kid is good now, they’ll likely want to continue swimming. Every swim kid has to deal with a slump at some point.

There are 10 yo girls who are well into puberty and 5'6" and 115 lbs. My 10 yo is 50" and 53 lbs. Based on a conversation with her pediatrician she's likely going to hit puberty at 13 yo--well on the late side. It does matter. It's not everything, but it absolutely matters.

Some 10 yo girls are built like teens and others are still built like little kids. (The same split happens for boys, but a bit later.)

I have a 13 year old swimmer whose doctor told me I have another 2 years before puberty. She has just started growing and at 5 feet and some change is well below the height of all of her friends who have had their periods and have stopped growing. Her dad if 6’5” and I am 5’8” so she has a chance at some height but probably won’t hit it until 15-16. Three years is a long time to be fighting to keep up with the 5’5” and 5’6” girls. So she has to keep loving it.

Both of these cases are very rare.

There isn't a single 5'4" 10 year old girl on our team, and it's a pretty big team. The fastest girls are around 5' or 5'1" with one or two who are much shorter.

And very few 13 year olds who are about 5 feet tall are going to grow so much taller that they can catch up with the taller girls on the team.

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Anonymous wrote:There are also some really big 10y/olds who swim at a snails pace. Chalking early success up to size is really oversimplifying things. Some kids are just better at swimming than others. If your kid is good now, they’ll likely want to continue swimming. Every swim kid has to deal with a slump at some point.

There are 10 yo girls who are well into puberty and 5'6" and 115 lbs. My 10 yo is 50" and 53 lbs. Based on a conversation with her pediatrician she's likely going to hit puberty at 13 yo--well on the late side. It does matter. It's not everything, but it absolutely matters.

Some 10 yo girls are built like teens and others are still built like little kids. (The same split happens for boys, but a bit later.)

I have a 13 year old swimmer whose doctor told me I have another 2 years before puberty. She has just started growing and at 5 feet and some change is well below the height of all of her friends who have had their periods and have stopped growing. Her dad if 6’5” and I am 5’8” so she has a chance at some height but probably won’t hit it until 15-16. Three years is a long time to be fighting to keep up with the 5’5” and 5’6” girls. So she has to keep loving it.

Both of these cases are very rare.

There isn't a single 5'4" 10 year old girl on our team, and it's a pretty big team. The fastest girls are around 5' or 5'1" with one or two who are much shorter.

And very few 13 year olds who are about 5 feet tall are going to grow so much taller that they can catch up with the taller girls on the team.

It's really not rare. You can look at any group of 10-13 yo girls and see the divide between those who are looking like teens and those who still look like kids. One group is noticably bigger and stronger than the other.

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Anonymous wrote:There are also some really big 10y/olds who swim at a snails pace. Chalking early success up to size is really oversimplifying things. Some kids are just better at swimming than others. If your kid is good now, they’ll likely want to continue swimming. Every swim kid has to deal with a slump at some point.

There are 10 yo girls who are well into puberty and 5'6" and 115 lbs. My 10 yo is 50" and 53 lbs. Based on a conversation with her pediatrician she's likely going to hit puberty at 13 yo--well on the late side. It does matter. It's not everything, but it absolutely matters.

Some 10 yo girls are built like teens and others are still built like little kids. (The same split happens for boys, but a bit later.)

I have a 13 year old swimmer whose doctor told me I have another 2 years before puberty. She has just started growing and at 5 feet and some change is well below the height of all of her friends who have had their periods and have stopped growing. Her dad if 6’5” and I am 5’8” so she has a chance at some height but probably won’t hit it until 15-16. Three years is a long time to be fighting to keep up with the 5’5” and 5’6” girls. So she has to keep loving it.

Both of these cases are very rare.

There isn't a single 5'4" 10 year old girl on our team, and it's a pretty big team. The fastest girls are around 5' or 5'1" with one or two who are much shorter.

And very few 13 year olds who are about 5 feet tall are going to grow so much taller that they can catch up with the taller girls on the team.

It's really not rare. You can look at any group of 10-13 yo girls and see the divide between those who are looking like teens and those who still look like kids. One group is noticably bigger and stronger than the other.

Yeah, the 13 year olds are noticeably bigger and stronger than the 10 year olds...

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Anonymous wrote:Many times the kids who are big (not just tall) and powerful at the younger ages end up being too big/heavy for swimming long term. Swimming is a sport that favors the naturally long and lean body type.

Not our experience. Big powerful kid is turning to big powerful teen, still smoking the skinny guys. It’s training and diet. Muscle makes a difference.

Wow, Very humble and kind. :roll: Hope you didn’t pass your nastiness on to your kid.

You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder about this. Nothing I said was unkind. I said that I have a big kid who is still fast, and goes against the “long and lean” stereotype, and beats the kids who “look” like swimmers in your mind. You don’t have to look a certain way to be fast and the stereotype is frankly harmful. Body comp and fitness is more important.

You don't think it's unkind to say your kid "smokes the skinny guys?" You sound like such a jerk, and like you have a complex about your/your kid's body type.

No. I don’t! Lighten up Francis!

Stunning lack of self-awareness. There’s a dad of a swimmer in our team who was screaming “crush him” while his kid was swimming, referring to the kid swimming next to him. The family has basically been socially ostracized from the whole team due to this dude’s lack of sportsmanship and class.

This is weird.

Everyone cheers for the swimmers and it all fades to background noise for the kids in the water anyways.

It’s bizarre to ostracize a dad for cheering too much. “Crush him!” isn’t that bad. Even the 8u scream out “eat my bubbles!” for their teammates.

The PP clearly has sour grapes about some big kid beating their smaller kid. Why else personally attack someone over such a banal comment? Some kids “smoke” their competition despite not looking like Michael Phelps. That was my point, which went right over her head. I’m not that dad, and I would not scream that at a meet, but come on, it’s a competitive sport. Have some fun!

Parents acting like fools. Do better.

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Anonymous wrote:There are also some really big 10y/olds who swim at a snails pace. Chalking early success up to size is really oversimplifying things. Some kids are just better at swimming than others. If your kid is good now, they’ll likely want to continue swimming. Every swim kid has to deal with a slump at some point.

There are 10 yo girls who are well into puberty and 5'6" and 115 lbs. My 10 yo is 50" and 53 lbs. Based on a conversation with her pediatrician she's likely going to hit puberty at 13 yo--well on the late side. It does matter. It's not everything, but it absolutely matters.

Some 10 yo girls are built like teens and others are still built like little kids. (The same split happens for boys, but a bit later.)

I have a 13 year old swimmer whose doctor told me I have another 2 years before puberty. She has just started growing and at 5 feet and some change is well below the height of all of her friends who have had their periods and have stopped growing. Her dad if 6’5” and I am 5’8” so she has a chance at some height but probably won’t hit it until 15-16. Three years is a long time to be fighting to keep up with the 5’5” and 5’6” girls. So she has to keep loving it.

Both of these cases are very rare.

There isn't a single 5'4" 10 year old girl on our team, and it's a pretty big team. The fastest girls are around 5' or 5'1" with one or two who are much shorter.

And very few 13 year olds who are about 5 feet tall are going to grow so much taller that they can catch up with the taller girls on the team.

It's really not rare. You can look at any group of 10-13 yo girls and see the divide between those who are looking like teens and those who still look like kids. One group is noticably bigger and stronger than the other.

Yeah, the 13 year olds are noticeably bigger and stronger than the 10 year olds...

Uh, no. Nice try. Even in a group of just 10 yos there is a split.

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Anonymous wrote:There are also some really big 10y/olds who swim at a snails pace. Chalking early success up to size is really oversimplifying things. Some kids are just better at swimming than others. If your kid is good now, they’ll likely want to continue swimming. Every swim kid has to deal with a slump at some point.

There are 10 yo girls who are well into puberty and 5'6" and 115 lbs. My 10 yo is 50" and 53 lbs. Based on a conversation with her pediatrician she's likely going to hit puberty at 13 yo--well on the late side. It does matter. It's not everything, but it absolutely matters.

Some 10 yo girls are built like teens and others are still built like little kids. (The same split happens for boys, but a bit later.)

I have a 13 year old swimmer whose doctor told me I have another 2 years before puberty. She has just started growing and at 5 feet and some change is well below the height of all of her friends who have had their periods and have stopped growing. Her dad if 6’5” and I am 5’8” so she has a chance at some height but probably won’t hit it until 15-16. Three years is a long time to be fighting to keep up with the 5’5” and 5’6” girls. So she has to keep loving it.

Both of these cases are very rare.

There isn't a single 5'4" 10 year old girl on our team, and it's a pretty big team. The fastest girls are around 5' or 5'1" with one or two who are much shorter.

And very few 13 year olds who are about 5 feet tall are going to grow so much taller that they can catch up with the taller girls on the team.

It's really not rare. You can look at any group of 10-13 yo girls and see the divide between those who are looking like teens and those who still look like kids. One group is noticably bigger and stronger than the other.

Yeah, the 13 year olds are noticeably bigger and stronger than the 10 year olds...

Not always. I have seen 10 year olds at meets that look 22. Huge.