This time it’s Louisville, KY with the shooter

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Anonymous wrote:Gov Beshear (a democrat) said he has a good friend who is one of the victims.

Sadly, I fear that will make the Rs in KY even more resolute to not let this change anything.

+1

But it doesn’t matter. Governor Lee’s wife had a friend who was killed in the Nashville shooting. Rep. Scalise almost died. They still don’t care.

It’s not about caring or not caring.
Yes we clearly need to enact more bans on access to guns and step up other protocols for identifying individuals who might be a risk.


But to get rid of guns all together isn’t going to happen.
Besides the 2nd amendment which other amendment are you ok with getting rid of?
Because that’s really the heart of the issue.
Neither political party is willing to alter an amendment bc once you start then it it’s a slippery slope.

The 2nd amendment is now interpreted completely out of context.

[Anonymous]

I'm for gun control, but I also think these mass shootings are a reflection of our callous, unkind society where there is no community and no real society left anymore. Some people are very hurt and left out, and no one notices or cares about them. They are suffering, and shooting others is a crazy way to express that. I don't think it used to be that way. We knew everyone in our neighborhood when I was growing up, not just the people we liked. Everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:The shooter is dead too

The shooter always dies. It's become normalized. "I have big feelings. I'll go get a gun that I can buy very easily and shoot people, then myself, and/or get shot in the process." How does this help

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The Blue States are to blame too, since no lefty politician has come out with a GUN BAN. Everyone is to blame.

We need a gun ban, with possible exceptions for hunting weapons, to pacify the hunting crowd. Mass shooters usually buy their guns ad hoc, so it's not like this country awash in guns should just despair. If people are not allowed to buy guns anymore, there will be way, way, fewer shootings.

We also need a gun buyback program. Don't tell me DoD has a 842 BILLION budget but the feds don't have enough money to buy guns back from people. This is a matter of national security. Many more people die from domestic gun violence than US soldiers die abroad.

Bonus: if the police knows there's less likelihood a gun is present at a stop, they won't be so trigger happy when they see someone rifling through their bag or glove box.

While I totally support this, it's not exactly like they can do this. Every blue state that tries to reign in guns gets slapped down by the gun-happy nuts on the Supreme Court. We're at a point that we can't change anything at a national level, legislatively, but even states that don't want to tolerate this can't do much either, because the willful misinterpretation of the second amendment and its history continues unabated at the rabid supreme court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gov Beshear (a democrat) said he has a good friend who is one of the victims.

Sadly, I fear that will make the Rs in KY even more resolute to not let this change anything.

+1

But it doesn’t matter. Governor Lee’s wife had a friend who was killed in the Nashville shooting. Rep. Scalise almost died. They still don’t care.

It’s not about caring or not caring.
Yes we clearly need to enact more bans on access to guns and step up other protocols for identifying individuals who might be a risk.


But to get rid of guns all together isn’t going to happen.
Besides the 2nd amendment which other amendment are you ok with getting rid of?
Because that’s really the heart of the issue.
Neither political party is willing to alter an amendment bc once you start then it it’s a slippery slope.

First of all, no sensible reading of the second amendment goes as far as the right-wing has taken it. Second, slippery slope arguments lack rigor. People with brains are able to draw lines, often by way of the relevant text itself. Arguing slippery slope is completely lazy. Slopes are where you do the work, not where you bail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gov Beshear (a democrat) said he has a good friend who is one of the victims.

Sadly, I fear that will make the Rs in KY even more resolute to not let this change anything.

This is a stupid comment. Beshear beat the Republican incumbent and he's very popular in KY. Republicans are not going to double down because Beshear's friend died. Chances are good that this particular victim was a Republican, and if he's a prominent person the Republican lawmakers are friends with him too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm for gun control, but I also think these mass shootings are a reflection of our callous, unkind society where there is no community and no real society left anymore. Some people are very hurt and left out, and no one notices or cares about them. They are suffering, and shooting others is a crazy way to express that. I don't think it used to be that way. We knew everyone in our neighborhood when I was growing up, not just the people we liked. Everyone.

Many things can be true at one time. And they can reinforce one another. "Some people feel very hurt and left out" + guns are very accessible and have become a normalized way of dealing with big feelings. All of those things are true. God forbid we address issues that are complex.

[Anonymous]

America holds gun rights more important than the right to live. It’s absurd! It didn’t use to be this way. But I guess if law makers speak out, they’re removed for office. We are now literally being held hostage to mass shootings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for gun control, but I also think these mass shootings are a reflection of our callous, unkind society where there is no community and no real society left anymore. Some people are very hurt and left out, and no one notices or cares about them. They are suffering, and shooting others is a crazy way to express that. I don't think it used to be that way. We knew everyone in our neighborhood when I was growing up, not just the people we liked. Everyone.

Many things can be true at one time. And they can reinforce one another. "Some people feel very hurt and left out" + guns are very accessible and have become a normalized way of dealing with big feelings. All of those things are true. God forbid we address issues that are complex.

So address the complex issue then. Don't just talk about guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for gun control, but I also think these mass shootings are a reflection of our callous, unkind society where there is no community and no real society left anymore. Some people are very hurt and left out, and no one notices or cares about them. They are suffering, and shooting others is a crazy way to express that. I don't think it used to be that way. We knew everyone in our neighborhood when I was growing up, not just the people we liked. Everyone.

Many things can be true at one time. And they can reinforce one another. "Some people feel very hurt and left out" + guns are very accessible and have become a normalized way of dealing with big feelings. All of those things are true. God forbid we address issues that are complex.

So address the complex issue then. Don't just talk about guns.

Who is just talking about guns? Go make society. And talk about guns. Everyone has to work to fix this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for gun control, but I also think these mass shootings are a reflection of our callous, unkind society where there is no community and no real society left anymore. Some people are very hurt and left out, and no one notices or cares about them. They are suffering, and shooting others is a crazy way to express that. I don't think it used to be that way. We knew everyone in our neighborhood when I was growing up, not just the people we liked. Everyone.

Many things can be true at one time. And they can reinforce one another. "Some people feel very hurt and left out" + guns are very accessible and have become a normalized way of dealing with big feelings. All of those things are true. God forbid we address issues that are complex.

So address the complex issue then. Don't just talk about guns.

Who is just talking about guns? Go make society. And talk about guns. Everyone has to work to fix this.

Also, pp, your "don't just talk about guns" is all but code for "don't talk about guns."

[Anonymous]

Over the weekend there were more instances of tragic gun violence, involving kids as well.

This is certainly a horrible story but my point is that there's multiple shootings of 3+ daily. It happens anywhere and everywhere these days. I'm sure tragedies unreported happen with even just 1-2 casualties. Guns are everywhere so it's going to be a lot of shooting daily.

We're at the point of no return from the context of frequency. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised and I think unfortunately, the only things that really get us choked up are school shootings because they involve kids specifically. It is very sad for everyone in this country. I think things just have to continually get worse and worse before any real movement on changing legislature at the federal level, and even then it will be questionable as to impact.

Most states are able to do do their own thing so on some level, while some states will keep going downhill, my hope is that a few may impact more legislation to help cap this. But I don't know background checks on their own will really do it. I think it has to be on some level, diminishing access. Much harder to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Reports of five dead and six injured by a shooter at a bank in Louisville. Maybe red states will start to change their view if more shootings happen in their states? Thoughts and prayers aren’t working, so it’s long past time to try something else.

I’m sorry for the victims and families (unless they’re anti gun control in which case you get what you get.)

How much worse will it get before it gets better? Columbine should have been enough, and definitely Sandy Hook. Maybe it’s time to start posting pictures of the carnage so people will start to understand the damage guns do, especially assault rifles. Nothing else is working.

Red states already have higher rates of gun violence and death: accident, homicide, and suicide. It doesn't matter, for several reasons: feelings about the second amendment, thinking they won't be affected (especially since blue cities in red states have a lot of the homicides and rural white voters distance themselves from that), huge campaign contributions from groups that oppose even very popular and minor changes to gun laws

That is a lot of statements with no support.

And yet, the death rates from firearms in red states are higher (do you dispute that?) and they are not passing laws to change that...if anything, going to more open carry.and easier permits for young adults or no permits required at all. To what do you attribute that?

I question everything when not supported.

California has had 25 mass shooting since 1982 - the most of any state. Last I checked it was not a red state.

Umm,,,for 24 of those 40 years CA had a Republican for governor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for gun control, but I also think these mass shootings are a reflection of our callous, unkind society where there is no community and no real society left anymore. Some people are very hurt and left out, and no one notices or cares about them. They are suffering, and shooting others is a crazy way to express that. I don't think it used to be that way. We knew everyone in our neighborhood when I was growing up, not just the people we liked. Everyone.

Many things can be true at one time. And they can reinforce one another. "Some people feel very hurt and left out" + guns are very accessible and have become a normalized way of dealing with big feelings. All of those things are true. God forbid we address issues that are complex.

NP. Good comment. I think it's interesting that despite mass shootings, the total US homicide rate is much much lower than when I was a kid in the 70s. It's trending up again, but it's obvious that the US has had a gun problem since forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over the weekend there were more instances of tragic gun violence, involving kids as well.

This is certainly a horrible story but my point is that there's multiple shootings of 3+ daily. It happens anywhere and everywhere IN THE UNITED STATES these days. I'm sure tragedies unreported happen with even just 1-2 casualties. Guns are everywhere so it's going to be a lot of shooting daily.

We're at the point of no return from the context of frequency. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised and I think unfortunately, the only things that really get us choked up are school shootings because they involve kids specifically. It is very sad for everyone in this country. I think things just have to continually get worse and worse before any real movement on changing legislature at the federal level, and even then it will be questionable as to impact.

Most states are able to do do their own thing so on some level, while some states will keep going downhill, my hope is that a few may impact more legislation to help cap this. But I don't know background checks on their own will really do it. I think it has to be on some level, diminishing access. Much harder to do.

Fixed that for you.