FDA removed black box warning for HRT

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone new to this thread - read from the beginning, and see how posters using HRT, in support of others using it as prescribed, discuss this issue. The posters objecting (rudely, nastily, trying desperately to provoke a reportable response) show up there, too, asserting among other things, that it would have been better for Melania Trump to make this announcement “woman to woman,” making unsupported by cites and statistics and studies generalized claims regarding all cancers, and being generally shitty and offering links to eye doctors and yet somehow failing to link to scientific commentary about this actual topic.

Here’s a relevant link from ASCO - saying that systemic HRT is contraindicated for women with a history of estrogen-responsive cancers. There is no nastiness or attempt to scare other women away. Perhaps the women determined to scream about this here can relax, take a walk, take a note…

https://www.asco.org/news-initiatives/policy-news-analysis/statement-HHS-revision-black-box-warning

More projection.

Anyone reading this thread today will not see the unhinged posts from HRT boosters that threatened physical violence and fantasized about the death of posters who questioned RFK Jr or baseless claims about HRT. The unhinged comments were deleted and now the nutjob(s) are pretending to play victim.

So you can’t talk about the topic at all - the black box warning. That’s the topic, that’s what’s addressed by the oncology professional society as I linked.

So — what the issue again? Is “projection” your new favorite word? Why is another woman’s prescribed use of medication your issue or business or problem, if you do not in fact care whether cancer specialists do or do not have a generalized concern about HRT use?

Projection seems to be your new favorite hobby.

We were discussing RFK, etc until the nutters went off on their persecution complex. As you’ve been told countless times, troll, literally no one GAF if you take HRT.

You’re not making sense. Do you want to discuss the black box issue or not? Do you need to keep swearing to settle down, friend?

Do you want to discuss whether or not you have more expertise than oncologists regarding the black box warning?

I have more expertise than RFK and Marty Makary.

My dog has more expertise.

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Anonymous wrote:What is so weird about this thread is that it is not reflective of what any of the medical experts are saying.

While there are doctors out there screaming that most women should consider HRT, I don’t know of any that are saying it’s not safe and we should go back to 25 years ago. People like Jen Gunter are annoyed that the benefits are overstated, but she has come out and said she thinks FDA black box removal is correct. I’ve read her book The Menopause Manifesto and she clearly supports HRT. What she doesn’t like is the wellness people who also trying to sell supplements and overstate the benefits. But I haven’t seen any credible doctor Say that we need to go back to 25 years ago when there was a chilling effect on HRT.

There are clearly individual doctors who are not comfortable prescribing it to their patients but the researchers and ones on the panels and making the rounds are not saying this so it’s really curious to me why a group of women on the thread really seems so anti-HRT when the medical experts while they may disagree on overall risk and benefits, are not anti-HRT. Some of you seem angry than any women would consider it or being offered it.

Seems like you misread this thread. I don't recall any comments being anti-HRT, just anti-misinformation.

There are currently two threads on HRT and both of them get nasty. One person asks oh haven’t you heard any ailment past 40 has to be treated with hormones? I’m sure there are well intended posters here who are against misinformation but there’s a ton of Snark on this thread and the other one.

Give me a break that people are calling out misinformation. People are being rude and they’re definitely seems to be a lot of hostility whenever this topic comes up if women are choosing hormones. There’s also another thread that women are avoiding this topic with their friends because it’s so heated.

I’ve been active on both threads and there was only one poster who was out of control, and that was the “pro-HRT”
lady saying someone she disagreed with should be assaulted with a bag of citrus fruit.

You’re a liar.

maybe the posts got deleted but there were some very deranged ones.

Why can no one who is so against HRT have a conversation that isn’t nasty? You all stay on these threads coming in with attacks and sneering about getting medical advice from social media even when people explain they haven’t. It’s every thread. Why do you do this? Are you doctors or oncologists?

What is the primary issue you have with other women consulting with their own physicians?

I think they feel like they are more virtuous, superior beings and must school us in any way possible.

But sorry, crazy person who is mad I take HRT. It helped ME. No amount of you posting here changes that I was in pain one year ago and that pain is gone. I wasn’t sleeping one year ago and now I do.

Maybe invest some energy into positive action instead of being a jerk here. What goes around, comes around. You’re setting yourself up for the itchiest ears and 3 AM wake-ups with the bad attitude.

Nobody GAF that you personally take HRT. Maybe you need to reflect a little if you are taking general commentary and discussion of the (real) risks of HRT as a personal insult.

Why do you - not a doctor - think that you have any cause to GAF about what a woman does on the advice of her doctor? You can’t answer that. Why?

That is literally what I said. I don’t GAF about what you personally do.

No. You’re so dishonest. You are going after her so intensely. Why? She is presenting her own life. She is not taking anything too personally - she is explaining her own path to using this medication. I’m not her, though for sure you’ll flip and say some bullshit. What is the issue you have with women discussing their decision to use HRT, particularly where they’re well informed regarding which symptoms can realistically be treated? Particularly since almost anyone on it and reading here has obviously gotten the rx well before Makary and the black box issue.

What exactly is your problem?

Side effect of HRT: poor reading comprehension

DP

You’re both such truly disgusting aholes.

Again - what’s the problem with women using HRT? What case do you mistakenly think you’re making with your trolling?

You are trolling and getting it back in return. That’s how it works.

I’m not trolling. Please grow up.

It’s entirely legitimate to ask why you and yours keep attacking women who use HRT as ill informed or getting advice from SM. Why?

Nobody is attacking you personally. We are having a discussion about the risks and benefits of HRT, whether the RFK FDA is trustworthy.

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No one is attacking you, FFS.

The hysterics seem forced at this point.

You need to calm down and try to be a bit less agitated and nasty. There are no “hysterics.” There is discussion by women prescribed a regimen well before RFK was put into this position, using these same medications, and explaining what their physicians thought of the current conversations about the old WHI study.

You’re still totally unable to engage with the question as to why it concerns you when other women get prescribed HRT. Keep having your fit.

DP. There seems to be a discussion on what the studies actually say about the use HRT versus anecdotal usage. Some people here seem to think that only the folks being prescribed HRT can participate and that anything is agitated and nasty. If that’s your view, you should consider why you are here posting and not on a forum that restricts participation.

If you’re going to quote me, feel free to be responsive instead of passive-aggressive. Please feel free to highlight where I or anyone said not everyone can participate. Go on. How am I or anyone else here stopping any participation?

So. What’s the issue with women pointing out that their medication was prescribed before most anyone here had heard of Makary? If the majority of us on HRT began using these medications before 1/22/2025, which would seem likely, are we part of whatever problem you or others have? If we’re under 60, how are we part of the terrible issue presented upthread (not saying by you) of women being pressured to use these scrips by Makary et al in order to….what? Remain quasi-f—kable for men?

What’s the issue with other women seeing their trained doctors for symptom relief? It’s not been answered, so I will persist in asking. If you have a problem with that, it’s a you thing.

Do you understand that this is a conversation about the risks and benefits of HRT and the fact that the FDA removed the warning?

I posted the link to the ASCO statement regarding the warning and yet not one person is discussing that. You and the other person - assuming a second poster- keep stirring and snapping and…not having a single thing to say about the expert discussion of the removal of the warning.

It’s page 19. We’ve discussed it already.

No, no one has discussed it because you can’t.

No one here - certainly not me - supports Makary or RFKJ. Why can’t you discuss the fact that oncology doctors have concerns limited to women with specific cancers?

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Anonymous wrote:What is so weird about this thread is that it is not reflective of what any of the medical experts are saying.

While there are doctors out there screaming that most women should consider HRT, I don’t know of any that are saying it’s not safe and we should go back to 25 years ago. People like Jen Gunter are annoyed that the benefits are overstated, but she has come out and said she thinks FDA black box removal is correct. I’ve read her book The Menopause Manifesto and she clearly supports HRT. What she doesn’t like is the wellness people who also trying to sell supplements and overstate the benefits. But I haven’t seen any credible doctor Say that we need to go back to 25 years ago when there was a chilling effect on HRT.

There are clearly individual doctors who are not comfortable prescribing it to their patients but the researchers and ones on the panels and making the rounds are not saying this so it’s really curious to me why a group of women on the thread really seems so anti-HRT when the medical experts while they may disagree on overall risk and benefits, are not anti-HRT. Some of you seem angry than any women would consider it or being offered it.

Seems like you misread this thread. I don't recall any comments being anti-HRT, just anti-misinformation.

There are currently two threads on HRT and both of them get nasty. One person asks oh haven’t you heard any ailment past 40 has to be treated with hormones? I’m sure there are well intended posters here who are against misinformation but there’s a ton of Snark on this thread and the other one.

Give me a break that people are calling out misinformation. People are being rude and they’re definitely seems to be a lot of hostility whenever this topic comes up if women are choosing hormones. There’s also another thread that women are avoiding this topic with their friends because it’s so heated.

I’ve been active on both threads and there was only one poster who was out of control, and that was the “pro-HRT”
lady saying someone she disagreed with should be assaulted with a bag of citrus fruit.

You’re a liar.

maybe the posts got deleted but there were some very deranged ones.

Why can no one who is so against HRT have a conversation that isn’t nasty? You all stay on these threads coming in with attacks and sneering about getting medical advice from social media even when people explain they haven’t. It’s every thread. Why do you do this? Are you doctors or oncologists?

What is the primary issue you have with other women consulting with their own physicians?

I think they feel like they are more virtuous, superior beings and must school us in any way possible.

But sorry, crazy person who is mad I take HRT. It helped ME. No amount of you posting here changes that I was in pain one year ago and that pain is gone. I wasn’t sleeping one year ago and now I do.

Maybe invest some energy into positive action instead of being a jerk here. What goes around, comes around. You’re setting yourself up for the itchiest ears and 3 AM wake-ups with the bad attitude.

Nobody GAF that you personally take HRT. Maybe you need to reflect a little if you are taking general commentary and discussion of the (real) risks of HRT as a personal insult.

Why do you - not a doctor - think that you have any cause to GAF about what a woman does on the advice of her doctor? You can’t answer that. Why?

That is literally what I said. I don’t GAF about what you personally do.

No. You’re so dishonest. You are going after her so intensely. Why? She is presenting her own life. She is not taking anything too personally - she is explaining her own path to using this medication. I’m not her, though for sure you’ll flip and say some bullshit. What is the issue you have with women discussing their decision to use HRT, particularly where they’re well informed regarding which symptoms can realistically be treated? Particularly since almost anyone on it and reading here has obviously gotten the rx well before Makary and the black box issue.

What exactly is your problem?

Side effect of HRT: poor reading comprehension

DP

You’re both such truly disgusting aholes.

Again - what’s the problem with women using HRT? What case do you mistakenly think you’re making with your trolling?

You are trolling and getting it back in return. That’s how it works.

I’m not trolling. Please grow up.

It’s entirely legitimate to ask why you and yours keep attacking women who use HRT as ill informed or getting advice from SM. Why?

Nobody is attacking you personally. We are having a discussion about the risks and benefits of HRT, whether the RFK FDA is trustworthy.

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No one is attacking you, FFS.

The hysterics seem forced at this point.

You need to calm down and try to be a bit less agitated and nasty. There are no “hysterics.” There is discussion by women prescribed a regimen well before RFK was put into this position, using these same medications, and explaining what their physicians thought of the current conversations about the old WHI study.

You’re still totally unable to engage with the question as to why it concerns you when other women get prescribed HRT. Keep having your fit.

DP. There seems to be a discussion on what the studies actually say about the use HRT versus anecdotal usage. Some people here seem to think that only the folks being prescribed HRT can participate and that anything is agitated and nasty. If that’s your view, you should consider why you are here posting and not on a forum that restricts participation.

If you’re going to quote me, feel free to be responsive instead of passive-aggressive. Please feel free to highlight where I or anyone said not everyone can participate. Go on. How am I or anyone else here stopping any participation?

So. What’s the issue with women pointing out that their medication was prescribed before most anyone here had heard of Makary? If the majority of us on HRT began using these medications before 1/22/2025, which would seem likely, are we part of whatever problem you or others have? If we’re under 60, how are we part of the terrible issue presented upthread (not saying by you) of women being pressured to use these scrips by Makary et al in order to….what? Remain quasi-f—kable for men?

What’s the issue with other women seeing their trained doctors for symptom relief? It’s not been answered, so I will persist in asking. If you have a problem with that, it’s a you thing.

Do you understand that this is a conversation about the risks and benefits of HRT and the fact that the FDA removed the warning?

I posted the link to the ASCO statement regarding the warning and yet not one person is discussing that. You and the other person - assuming a second poster- keep stirring and snapping and…not having a single thing to say about the expert discussion of the removal of the warning.

It’s page 19. We’ve discussed it already.

No, no one has discussed it because you can’t.

No one here - certainly not me - supports Makary or RFKJ. Why can’t you discuss the fact that oncology doctors have concerns limited to women with specific cancers?

I don’t understand what you expect here. The oncologists discuss cancer risks. Has anyone said there is any other type of cancer risk? I wouldn’t expect them to discuss increased risk of stroke - it’s not their field.

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Anonymous wrote:What is so weird about this thread is that it is not reflective of what any of the medical experts are saying.

While there are doctors out there screaming that most women should consider HRT, I don’t know of any that are saying it’s not safe and we should go back to 25 years ago. People like Jen Gunter are annoyed that the benefits are overstated, but she has come out and said she thinks FDA black box removal is correct. I’ve read her book The Menopause Manifesto and she clearly supports HRT. What she doesn’t like is the wellness people who also trying to sell supplements and overstate the benefits. But I haven’t seen any credible doctor Say that we need to go back to 25 years ago when there was a chilling effect on HRT.

There are clearly individual doctors who are not comfortable prescribing it to their patients but the researchers and ones on the panels and making the rounds are not saying this so it’s really curious to me why a group of women on the thread really seems so anti-HRT when the medical experts while they may disagree on overall risk and benefits, are not anti-HRT. Some of you seem angry than any women would consider it or being offered it.

Seems like you misread this thread. I don't recall any comments being anti-HRT, just anti-misinformation.

There are currently two threads on HRT and both of them get nasty. One person asks oh haven’t you heard any ailment past 40 has to be treated with hormones? I’m sure there are well intended posters here who are against misinformation but there’s a ton of Snark on this thread and the other one.

Give me a break that people are calling out misinformation. People are being rude and they’re definitely seems to be a lot of hostility whenever this topic comes up if women are choosing hormones. There’s also another thread that women are avoiding this topic with their friends because it’s so heated.

I’ve been active on both threads and there was only one poster who was out of control, and that was the “pro-HRT”
lady saying someone she disagreed with should be assaulted with a bag of citrus fruit.

You’re a liar.

maybe the posts got deleted but there were some very deranged ones.

Why can no one who is so against HRT have a conversation that isn’t nasty? You all stay on these threads coming in with attacks and sneering about getting medical advice from social media even when people explain they haven’t. It’s every thread. Why do you do this? Are you doctors or oncologists?

What is the primary issue you have with other women consulting with their own physicians?

I think they feel like they are more virtuous, superior beings and must school us in any way possible.

But sorry, crazy person who is mad I take HRT. It helped ME. No amount of you posting here changes that I was in pain one year ago and that pain is gone. I wasn’t sleeping one year ago and now I do.

Maybe invest some energy into positive action instead of being a jerk here. What goes around, comes around. You’re setting yourself up for the itchiest ears and 3 AM wake-ups with the bad attitude.

Nobody GAF that you personally take HRT. Maybe you need to reflect a little if you are taking general commentary and discussion of the (real) risks of HRT as a personal insult.

Why do you - not a doctor - think that you have any cause to GAF about what a woman does on the advice of her doctor? You can’t answer that. Why?

That is literally what I said. I don’t GAF about what you personally do.

No. You’re so dishonest. You are going after her so intensely. Why? She is presenting her own life. She is not taking anything too personally - she is explaining her own path to using this medication. I’m not her, though for sure you’ll flip and say some bullshit. What is the issue you have with women discussing their decision to use HRT, particularly where they’re well informed regarding which symptoms can realistically be treated? Particularly since almost anyone on it and reading here has obviously gotten the rx well before Makary and the black box issue.

What exactly is your problem?

Side effect of HRT: poor reading comprehension

DP

You’re both such truly disgusting aholes.

Again - what’s the problem with women using HRT? What case do you mistakenly think you’re making with your trolling?

You are trolling and getting it back in return. That’s how it works.

I’m not trolling. Please grow up.

It’s entirely legitimate to ask why you and yours keep attacking women who use HRT as ill informed or getting advice from SM. Why?

Nobody is attacking you personally. We are having a discussion about the risks and benefits of HRT, whether the RFK FDA is trustworthy.

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No one is attacking you, FFS.

The hysterics seem forced at this point.

You need to calm down and try to be a bit less agitated and nasty. There are no “hysterics.” There is discussion by women prescribed a regimen well before RFK was put into this position, using these same medications, and explaining what their physicians thought of the current conversations about the old WHI study.

You’re still totally unable to engage with the question as to why it concerns you when other women get prescribed HRT. Keep having your fit.

DP. There seems to be a discussion on what the studies actually say about the use HRT versus anecdotal usage. Some people here seem to think that only the folks being prescribed HRT can participate and that anything is agitated and nasty. If that’s your view, you should consider why you are here posting and not on a forum that restricts participation.

If you’re going to quote me, feel free to be responsive instead of passive-aggressive. Please feel free to highlight where I or anyone said not everyone can participate. Go on. How am I or anyone else here stopping any participation?

So. What’s the issue with women pointing out that their medication was prescribed before most anyone here had heard of Makary? If the majority of us on HRT began using these medications before 1/22/2025, which would seem likely, are we part of whatever problem you or others have? If we’re under 60, how are we part of the terrible issue presented upthread (not saying by you) of women being pressured to use these scrips by Makary et al in order to….what? Remain quasi-f—kable for men?

What’s the issue with other women seeing their trained doctors for symptom relief? It’s not been answered, so I will persist in asking. If you have a problem with that, it’s a you thing.

Do you understand that this is a conversation about the risks and benefits of HRT and the fact that the FDA removed the warning?

I posted the link to the ASCO statement regarding the warning and yet not one person is discussing that. You and the other person - assuming a second poster- keep stirring and snapping and…not having a single thing to say about the expert discussion of the removal of the warning.

It’s page 19. We’ve discussed it already.

No, no one has discussed it because you can’t.

No one here - certainly not me - supports Makary or RFKJ. Why can’t you discuss the fact that oncology doctors have concerns limited to women with specific cancers?

I don’t understand what you expect here. The oncologists discuss cancer risks. Has anyone said there is any other type of cancer risk? I wouldn’t expect them to discuss increased risk of stroke - it’s not their field.

Have neurologists or other stroke specialists made statements about how RFK Jr and Makary are going to kill women? I haven’t seen such a statement. Does that have the doctor on the internet commenters, beginning on page 3, applying war paint?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised nobody posted about this; HRT is discussed so often here.

As a BC survivor who cannot take systemic estrogen, it’s a bit unnerving to here how necessary estrogen is for women’s overall health (although vaginal estrogen is supposed to be safe for people like me).

But hopefully this will enable women who have been struggling with symptoms of perimenopause to more easily access the help they need, without pushback from their doctors.

link?

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Anonymous wrote:Pharma is BIG $$$.

Zero surprise here.

Wait 15-20 years ….

If you have no symptoms, zero need for it. I have zero symptoms. 56. My sister sailed through it as well. I’m not dry or hot or have any bone loss, yet the push to put all women on it today is crazy !

Nobody is pushing to just "put you on it" because you hit menopause. I went on it 2.5 years into full menopause...started with progesterone (was concerned about estrogen), and it took 3-4 months to find the right dose of progesterone. But with that, my hot flashes got better (still had them) and I could finally sleep thru the night. Amazing what 7-8 hours of continuous sleep does for your body after 2+ years of not being able to sleep.
Tried vaginal estrogen with it as well. But that didn't really solve the problem.

So made informed choice to use the patch. Guess what, I feel even better, my cholesterol is back down (had gone up almost 100 points), my hot flashes are virtually gone (maybe once a month), and I can finally have sex without massive pain and feeling like someone is cleaning my V with rough sandpaper.

So quality of life on ALL levels is way improved. Many health factors are better (heart risk is lowered greatly with cholesterol back to 160).

It's a choice I made with all the data points from 3 different doctors (one gynecologist, my primary doctor and my functional med doctor who specializes in hormonal management)

Can you PLEASE share the name of your functional med doc (hope you see this).