The Virginia governor's debate is tonight!

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone remember when Gilmore ran (and won) on just one issue -- ending the car tax?
That's what Sears should do. That's the kind of thing we voters care about

What tax do you want to increase to offset that loss in revenue?

Who cares? Jim Gilmore won on that issue alone. Virginia survived.

He did run on it, and then they couldn't go through with it. Hence, we still pay a personal property tax in Virginia.

actually the Dem controlled legislature refused to go through with it. But Gilmore won on that issue and he wanted to see it fully implemented

Because Dems care about balancing the budget.

It was an empty promise.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone remember when Gilmore ran (and won) on just one issue -- ending the car tax?
That's what Sears should do. That's the kind of thing we voters care about

What tax do you want to increase to offset that loss in revenue?

Loss of revenue? VA has a tax surplus they have for the last few years. Do you even live here? You would know this if you did. They mail tax payers checks back.

Sending back the checks is so stupid. They should have increase funding our schools. VA has been underfunding public schools for decades. Or invest the money.

Sending checks back is a dumb campaign ploy.

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Anonymous wrote:Sincere question: why are you excited?

I want to see how well they do.

Whoever wins it will be they first female Virginia governor. So history is being made.

Why do you want to know why I'm excited, I feel like that's a bigger question because my answers were pretty obvious.

LOL Sears can not do well. She hasn't shown up for one speaking event she has zero to say.

Spanberger will wipe the floor with her just by opening her mouth.

And Sears with lie and spew crap over and over again.

Great idea for an African American Women to stay with the party that literally hates her guts because of the color of her skin.

She is not AA, she is Jamaican.

What does that matter?

I don't know i didn't bring up her ethnicity in the first place I was just correcting the person who brought it up. Jamaicans are not African American.

America is both a country and two continents.

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Anonymous wrote:My vote might come down to this - last year, the VA legislature voted to get rid of the college tuition waiver for 100% disabled veterans, Gold Star families, and the families of fallen law enforcement and first responders. My local Democratic legislators were immovable and did not care; they wanted to use the money to provide financial aid for immigrants (yes, really). Youngkin and Earle-Sears intervened to save it. I am relying on it and don’t trust it will continue to exist if Spanberger is elected.

Unsurprisingly, this is a lie from the Republican.

Youngkin supported the hrestrictions (which were related to expanding eligibility to things like no Virginians, which quadrupled the cost of the program in a few years), and then the assembly UNANIMOUSLY agree to temporarily repeal the restrictions while working on a longer term plan.

https://apnews.com/article/virginia-military-free-tuition-2087ce071ea1f3cebf37e0e5491b7083


https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/07/18/virginia-assembly-youngkin-military-tuition/

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Anonymous wrote:Well that debate just made me change my mind about Spanberger, I am voting for Sears. If someone can't answer questions in a debate a month before the election...they have no business being the governor. Even if I may not agree with all of Sears policies, she came across as more qualified for the job. I can't imagine what Spanberger would not accomplish if she was governor. I feel like she would say one thing to get voted in, but then do something else.

Spanberger seems like the type who would author strongly worded letters, very strongly worded letters, which would accomplish nothing.

Strongly worded letters from the governor are called Executive Orders.

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Anonymous wrote:My vote might come down to this - last year, the VA legislature voted to get rid of the college tuition waiver for 100% disabled veterans, Gold Star families, and the families of fallen law enforcement and first responders. My local Democratic legislators were immovable and did not care; they wanted to use the money to provide financial aid for immigrants (yes, really). Youngkin and Earle-Sears intervened to save it. I am relying on it and don’t trust it will continue to exist if Spanberger is elected.

Unsurprisingly, this is a lie from the Republican.

Youngkin supported the hrestrictions (which were related to expanding eligibility to things like no Virginians, which quadrupled the cost of the program in a few years), and then the assembly UNANIMOUSLY agree to temporarily repeal the restrictions while working on a longer term plan.

https://apnews.com/article/virginia-military-free-tuition-2087ce071ea1f3cebf37e0e5491b7083


https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/07/18/virginia-assembly-youngkin-military-tuition/

I just read both articles. I don't see your claim there there is a lie from a Republican. They passed restrictions and then walked some of them back.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone remember when Gilmore ran (and won) on just one issue -- ending the car tax?
That's what Sears should do. That's the kind of thing we voters care about

What tax do you want to increase to offset that loss in revenue?

Loss of revenue? VA has a tax surplus they have for the last few years. Do you even live here? You would know this if you did. They mail tax payers checks back.

So? NP here and a lifelong Virginian. Personal property taxes are collected on the municipal level. Have you ever approved an actual municipal or state budget? Or worked on one. Just because we have had a “surplus” in a few years that allowed some taxpayers to get small checks doesn’t mean there is enough of a surplus to eliminate the personal property taxes in perpetuity. The Commonwealth already allocates $950 million a year to its municipalities to offset personal property taxes (that’s the leftover from Gilmore, the “relief”). The rest of the tax you are billed is with that in mind. Each municipality collects it and uses it for their own budget.

You think every county and city in Virginia can just snap go without that money? You know how much that actually is? Because it’s a multiplier of $950 million.

So stop trolling.

I don't know what you're on about but I work in government finance and VA has a surplus.

Yeah, you don't know how it works then. Scary.

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Anonymous wrote:Not propaganda - Virginia Dems eliminated VMSDEP, the STATE tuition waiver for Gold Star families and disabled veterans, and Youngkin restored it. It was not being abused by out of state families; it simply wasn’t being funded appropriately, and rather than fund it to fulfill a promise to veterans, Democrats in the stage legislature imposed restrictions that effectively eliminated the program. Scott Surovell in Fairfax was involved in eliminating these benefits and was absolutely immovable despite repeated calls by my family and numerous other military families.

Earle Sears was a proponent of restoring the original VMSDEP benefits. That means something to military families.

And here are sources from Summer 2024; just because you didn’t know about this or pay attention, or it doesn’t matter to you doesn’t mean it is propaganda.

https://www.military.com/money/personal-finance/what-you-need-know-about-virginians-fight-restore-benefits-families-of-vets.html

https://www.governor.virginia.gov/newsroom/news-releases/2024/july/name-1030946-en.html

https://x.com/WinsomeSears/status/1800982582370111976

NP. Thank you for setting the record straight on the VMSDEP.

It’s a crucially important issue for many families.

Get a 529 like other families. I don't know what to tell you but the money ran out. How can you get something the state has no money for? What part do you not understand? I wish college was free for everyone, but you need to make alternative plans just like nonveteran families do.

Again - not about the money - but what the choices say about the democrats. If the universities need money then stop waiving tuition for illegals, stop giving in-state tuition to illegals, and stop providing the Virginia tuition assistance grant to illegals. The choice Democrats made was to stick it to disabled veterans instead of curtailing benefits to illegals.

So you are just a troll with talking points. It 100% was about the money, the program ran out in a few short years. Can't give you (free tuition) what we don't have (the money). It is not more complicated. Has nothing to do with illegals, but since you tied them in there you gave away that you are a troll.

Go post this stuff on a Richmond or 757 parenting site. Because in NOVA it won't work.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone remember when Gilmore ran (and won) on just one issue -- ending the car tax?
That's what Sears should do. That's the kind of thing we voters care about

What tax do you want to increase to offset that loss in revenue?

Who cares? Jim Gilmore won on that issue alone. Virginia survived.

So you want a meaningless promise?

Let me guess, you wanted that wall.

It was good politics, that's all I'm saying. And Va. has always been a well managed state so I don't know what you mean by meaningless promise. I hate the care tax.

It’s terrible politics. A politician making promises they can’t keep is meaningless.

VA needs revenue. If you want to take away the car tax, where else do you want to be taxed? Income? Sales tax?

? I guess you weren't around when Jim Gilmore ran and won on this very issue

Effective campaigning isn’t good politics. Lies and empty promises are effective when clueless people believe them.

I was here and voted against that nonsense.

VA needs leaders who don’t make meaningless promises.

NP. What troubled me about Spanberger’s debate performance was how evasive she was. She evaded every question.

Why do I get the feeling she is lying to us?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone remember when Gilmore ran (and won) on just one issue -- ending the car tax?
That's what Sears should do. That's the kind of thing we voters care about

What tax do you want to increase to offset that loss in revenue?

Who cares? Jim Gilmore won on that issue alone. Virginia survived.

So you want a meaningless promise?

Let me guess, you wanted that wall.

It was good politics, that's all I'm saying. And Va. has always been a well managed state so I don't know what you mean by meaningless promise. I hate the care tax.

It’s terrible politics. A politician making promises they can’t keep is meaningless.

VA needs revenue. If you want to take away the car tax, where else do you want to be taxed? Income? Sales tax?

? I guess you weren't around when Jim Gilmore ran and won on this very issue

Effective campaigning isn’t good politics. Lies and empty promises are effective when clueless people believe them.

I was here and voted against that nonsense.

VA needs leaders who don’t make meaningless promises.

NP. What troubled me about Spanberger’s debate performance was how evasive she was. She evaded every question.

Why do I get the feeling she is lying to us?

Because she would not share her own opinion--she is afraid of losing voters and, somehow, thinks it better not to take a stand.

I could never vote for Jones--but I was not planning on voting for him. However, if she had said that, while what he said is abhorrent, she was still supporting him on policy. She would have possibly retained more of her Independent voters. She likely retains some, in any case. She won't lose Dem voters.

The trans issue should have been easier. But, I suspect money is involved here.



The Jones issue is tough.
The trans issue is not.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone remember when Gilmore ran (and won) on just one issue -- ending the car tax?
That's what Sears should do. That's the kind of thing we voters care about

What tax do you want to increase to offset that loss in revenue?

Who cares? Jim Gilmore won on that issue alone. Virginia survived.

So you want a meaningless promise?

Let me guess, you wanted that wall.

It was good politics, that's all I'm saying. And Va. has always been a well managed state so I don't know what you mean by meaningless promise. I hate the care tax.

It’s terrible politics. A politician making promises they can’t keep is meaningless.

VA needs revenue. If you want to take away the car tax, where else do you want to be taxed? Income? Sales tax?

? I guess you weren't around when Jim Gilmore ran and won on this very issue

Effective campaigning isn’t good politics. Lies and empty promises are effective when clueless people believe them.

I was here and voted against that nonsense.

VA needs leaders who don’t make meaningless promises.

NP. What troubled me about Spanberger’s debate performance was how evasive she was. She evaded every question.

Why do I get the feeling she is lying to us?

She’s a politician and has mastered the art of speaking without answering the questions. She had no good answers so she evades. Not a good look.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone remember when Gilmore ran (and won) on just one issue -- ending the car tax?
That's what Sears should do. That's the kind of thing we voters care about

What tax do you want to increase to offset that loss in revenue?

Who cares? Jim Gilmore won on that issue alone. Virginia survived.

So you want a meaningless promise?

Let me guess, you wanted that wall.

It was good politics, that's all I'm saying. And Va. has always been a well managed state so I don't know what you mean by meaningless promise. I hate the care tax.

It’s terrible politics. A politician making promises they can’t keep is meaningless.

VA needs revenue. If you want to take away the car tax, where else do you want to be taxed? Income? Sales tax?

? I guess you weren't around when Jim Gilmore ran and won on this very issue

Effective campaigning isn’t good politics. Lies and empty promises are effective when clueless people believe them.

I was here and voted against that nonsense.

VA needs leaders who don’t make meaningless promises.

NP. What troubled me about Spanberger’s debate performance was how evasive she was. She evaded every question.

Why do I get the feeling she is lying to us?

I don’t think she’s lying - I think she’s smart and realizes how little power the one-term VA governor has and she doesn’t want to promise stuff she can’t deliver. To be honest, her biggest selling point is Sears’ histrionics, outbursts, and behavior. I am so tired of hearing Sears rant about what’s inside someone else’s underwear and when she very publicly said “so what” about the federal firings it was never close. Spanberger is at least smart enough to understand the financial basis for her state’s historically good finances. Jones is a toad, I wish they would actually research people before putting them on the ballot, but we may need a VA AG who will take on the federal government and I don’t trust any Republican in 2025.

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That is a very good point about the Democrats. The Republicans know their candidates have skeletons - in fact, they look for people that have exploitable flaws.

If the Democrats were a stronger party, they would more actively vet their candidates. I mean, how hard is it to look at see that the guy has a record from driving over 100 mph while he was in office?

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NP. What troubled me about Spanberger’s debate performance was how evasive she was. She evaded every question.

Why do I get the feeling she is lying to us?

Anonymous wrote:She’s a politician and has mastered the art of speaking without answering the questions. She had no good answers so she evades. Not a good look.

I've seen this sentiment a lot and could keep going with quotes just like it from this thread and the other Gov thread. I posted the below in the other thread.

"[...]I've seen a lot of folk complaining about Spanberger's answers and claiming they were non-answers. Just because one doesn't like an answer doesn't mean it's a "non-answer" or "word salad." She answered nearly every question. On Jay Jones, she implicitly said she wasn't removing her endorsement (it's up to the people to decide), she explicitly condemned the texts. She didn't choose him, he's voted on separately, etc. It may be "threading the needle" or nuancing or triangulating, but it was an answer. On transgender issues she said it should be up to the local communities. That used to be a big deal to the conservatives, remember States' Rights, 10th Amendment and "the government closest to the people serves the people best"? And make no mistake, Spanberger is fairly conservative for a Democrat (but not conservative enough for the current Freedom Caucus style Republican party). She talked about a policy she supported of Youngkin's (nuclear initiative), etc., etc.

Again, just because one doesn't like an answer or it isn't an enthusiastic "Yes" or explicit "No" doesn't make it a non-answer. "

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone remember when Gilmore ran (and won) on just one issue -- ending the car tax?
That's what Sears should do. That's the kind of thing we voters care about

What tax do you want to increase to offset that loss in revenue?

Who cares? Jim Gilmore won on that issue alone. Virginia survived.

So you want a meaningless promise?

Let me guess, you wanted that wall.

It was good politics, that's all I'm saying. And Va. has always been a well managed state so I don't know what you mean by meaningless promise. I hate the care tax.

It’s terrible politics. A politician making promises they can’t keep is meaningless.

VA needs revenue. If you want to take away the car tax, where else do you want to be taxed? Income? Sales tax?

? I guess you weren't around when Jim Gilmore ran and won on this very issue

Effective campaigning isn’t good politics. Lies and empty promises are effective when clueless people believe them.

I was here and voted against that nonsense.

VA needs leaders who don’t make meaningless promises.

NP. What troubled me about Spanberger’s debate performance was how evasive she was. She evaded every question.

Why do I get the feeling she is lying to us?

Because she wasn’t rudely interrupting?

Was this lying?