DC CAPE SCORES

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

I'm a BASIS mom and my kids and I are probably everything you would imagine, and I can confirm that BASIS the institution does not care about CAPE. The teachers are not evaluated based on how well their students do so no one cares. The one thing they note is who is below grade, and they reach out to those students and parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

I'm a BASIS mom and my kids and I are probably everything you would imagine, and I can confirm that BASIS the institution does not care about CAPE. The teachers are not evaluated based on how well their students do so no one cares. The one thing they note is who is below grade, and they reach out to those students and parents.

I was actually referring to the part about no one caring & the kids therefore not trying. Given the families in question, I find this exceptionally unlikely. For context, I am not a BASIS parent, but would totally fit the profile. If my kids ever blew off a test like this, I’d be super annoyed. But also, they wouldn’t, because they’ve been taught to try their best on everything and that tests matter/provide helpful info as a general rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

In 8th grade in middle school? No.

Total BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

In 8th grade in middle school? No.

Total BS.

If you are teaching your 8th grader to blow off testing when the teacher says it isn't as important, you are doing them a great disservice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

I'm a BASIS mom and my kids and I are probably everything you would imagine, and I can confirm that BASIS the institution does not care about CAPE. The teachers are not evaluated based on how well their students do so no one cares. The one thing they note is who is below grade, and they reach out to those students and parents.

I was actually referring to the part about no one caring & the kids therefore not trying. Given the families in question, I find this exceptionally unlikely. For context, I am not a BASIS parent, but would totally fit the profile. If my kids ever blew off a test like this, I’d be super annoyed. But also, they wouldn’t, because they’ve been taught to try their best on everything and that tests matter/provide helpful info as a general rule.

This x 100. Motivated kids who do well don’t blow off tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

I'm a BASIS mom and my kids and I are probably everything you would imagine, and I can confirm that BASIS the institution does not care about CAPE. The teachers are not evaluated based on how well their students do so no one cares. The one thing they note is who is below grade, and they reach out to those students and parents.

I was actually referring to the part about no one caring & the kids therefore not trying. Given the families in question, I find this exceptionally unlikely. For context, I am not a BASIS parent, but would totally fit the profile. If my kids ever blew off a test like this, I’d be super annoyed. But also, they wouldn’t, because they’ve been taught to try their best on everything and that tests matter/provide helpful info as a general rule.

This x 100. Motivated kids who do well don’t blow off tests.

No one is "blowing off" the test. These are all conscientious kids with Type A parents. But the school is not altering their curriculum to optimize for CAPE, which is why so many kids get 4s instead of 5s.

By contrast, the school offers tutoring, optional workbooks, time with teachers outside of class, quizzes on online platforms for all the history, science and math tests they take throughout the year.

Many of us came from DCPS elementary schools, so we know what it looks like when a school is really optimizing for CAPE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

I'm a BASIS mom and my kids and I are probably everything you would imagine, and I can confirm that BASIS the institution does not care about CAPE. The teachers are not evaluated based on how well their students do so no one cares. The one thing they note is who is below grade, and they reach out to those students and parents.

I was actually referring to the part about no one caring & the kids therefore not trying. Given the families in question, I find this exceptionally unlikely. For context, I am not a BASIS parent, but would totally fit the profile. If my kids ever blew off a test like this, I’d be super annoyed. But also, they wouldn’t, because they’ve been taught to try their best on everything and that tests matter/provide helpful info as a general rule.

This x 100. Motivated kids who do well don’t blow off tests.

No one is "blowing off" the test. These are all conscientious kids with Type A parents. But the school is not altering their curriculum to optimize for CAPE, which is why so many kids get 4s instead of 5s.

By contrast, the school offers tutoring, optional workbooks, time with teachers outside of class, quizzes on online platforms for all the history, science and math tests they take throughout the year.

Many of us came from DCPS elementary schools, so we know what it looks like when a school is really optimizing for CAPE.

I mean the PP literally said that kids weren't trying on the test, which is what I objected to. So I guess you agree with me. Thanks!

Also, a 4 vs 5 isn't about new/different material, so this rationale doesn't actually make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

That is totally wrong. You have to love posters who insult others when they themselves are ignorant.

The whole 8th grade takes these tests at the listed schools.

For instance, just look at the numbers of kids who took the 8th grade CAPE test. For instance, for ELA, 90 took it at BASIS, 447 at Deal, and 98 at Latin 2nd. For math, 93 took it at BASIS, 450 took it at Deal, and 98 took it at Latin 2nd St.

[Anonymous]

at schools that arent basis, if a student takes algebra or geometry, they take that test instead of the grade level math test at year end. so you cant easily compare 8th or even 7th grade math scores because the more advanced math students at some schools are excluded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

That is totally wrong. You have to love posters who insult others when they themselves are ignorant.

The whole 8th grade takes these tests at the listed schools.

For instance, just look at the numbers of kids who took the 8th grade CAPE test. For instance, for ELA, 90 took it at BASIS, 447 at Deal, and 98 at Latin 2nd. For math, 93 took it at BASIS, 450 took it at Deal, and 98 took it at Latin 2nd St.

Nope. At Deal, you take the test for the class you’re in for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

That is totally wrong. You have to love posters who insult others when they themselves are ignorant.

The whole 8th grade takes these tests at the listed schools.

For instance, just look at the numbers of kids who took the 8th grade CAPE test. For instance, for ELA, 90 took it at BASIS, 447 at Deal, and 98 at Latin 2nd. For math, 93 took it at BASIS, 450 took it at Deal, and 98 took it at Latin 2nd St.

In prior years, OSSE provided a breakdown of which course-based math test students took by grade level. In SY24-25, they reported the data differently, with math results reported only by grade level in middle school, and only by course in high school.

From the data dictionary: "Students in grades 7 and 8 who take high school course-based mathematics assessments are counted for performance reporting, as the high school course-based assessment takes the place of the required grade-level assessment."

However, there is a separate spreadsheet for "Advanced Middle School Math Results" that does report middle school math results by course. This spreadsheet has 33 middle schools that reported Algebra I or Geometry test scores.

So school test participation was actually as follows. Of 7th and 8th graders who took a math test : total # / Algebra I # / Geometry #

BASIS: 189/0/0
Deal: 941/DS/DS
Eliot-Hine: 261/29/17
Hardy: 374/DS/DS
Jefferson: 249/DS/n<10
John Francis: 161/20/0
Latin: 196/77/25
Latin Cooper: 183/64/28
MacFarland: 281/58/0
Oyster-Adams: DS/DS/n<10
Stuart Hobson: 276/56/0
Wells: 313/25/0

DS = data suppressed

Sample of schools above are those with at least 10 students taking, 50%+ meeting or exceeding on an advanced math test.

[Anonymous]

Can we please take a moment and appreciate the irony that this forum has now spent more time thinking about CAPE than the entire BASIS staff in SY 24-25? As performance are goes, you are all amazing!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

That is totally wrong. You have to love posters who insult others when they themselves are ignorant.

The whole 8th grade takes these tests at the listed schools.

For instance, just look at the numbers of kids who took the 8th grade CAPE test. For instance, for ELA, 90 took it at BASIS, 447 at Deal, and 98 at Latin 2nd. For math, 93 took it at BASIS, 450 took it at Deal, and 98 took it at Latin 2nd St.

Nope. At Deal, you take the test for the class you’re in for sure.

Deal just teaches at grade level while Basis teaches a couple levels beyond.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we please take a moment and appreciate the irony that this forum has now spent more time thinking about CAPE than the entire BASIS staff in SY 24-25? As performance are goes, you are all amazing!!!

How is it ironic for a thread entitled "DC CAPE SCORES" to be primarily about CAPE scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked my BASIS kid about CAPE and they said that, since it doesn’t count, no one cares and tries.

That said, there is no question that BASIS kids do really well on the test. In fact, they have the top scores of any middle school in DC.

Here are the results for 8th grade for the latest CAPE testing. This is after kids have been at schools such as BASIS, Deal, and Hardy for several years.

ELA

BASIS 84.4
Deal 81
Latin 2nd 72.4
Oyster 69.9
Latin Cooper 66
Hardy 65.9
S-H 63
DCI 58.1

Math

BASIS 78.5
Deal 64
Latin 2nd 63.3
Oyster 63
Hardy 50
Latin Cooper 41.5
DCI 41
S-H 31.3

I do not believe this for a second given the types of kids and families at BASIS.

Also, you must be new here. The 8th grade math results are the least meaningful. BASIS has 8th graders take 8th grade math even though they're on to more advanced math; other schools don't, so 8th grade CAPE math takers tend to be the 8th graders who are worst at math. Do these numbers exclude the advance math takers? Because, if so, they'd be even less meaningful. Basically it would be every 8th grader at BASIS vs all the kids who were specifically worst at math at the other schools.

That is totally wrong. You have to love posters who insult others when they themselves are ignorant.

The whole 8th grade takes these tests at the listed schools.

For instance, just look at the numbers of kids who took the 8th grade CAPE test. For instance, for ELA, 90 took it at BASIS, 447 at Deal, and 98 at Latin 2nd. For math, 93 took it at BASIS, 450 took it at Deal, and 98 took it at Latin 2nd St.

In prior years, OSSE provided a breakdown of which course-based math test students took by grade level. In SY24-25, they reported the data differently, with math results reported only by grade level in middle school, and only by course in high school.

From the data dictionary: "Students in grades 7 and 8 who take high school course-based mathematics assessments are counted for performance reporting, as the high school course-based assessment takes the place of the required grade-level assessment."

However, there is a separate spreadsheet for "Advanced Middle School Math Results" that does report middle school math results by course. This spreadsheet has 33 middle schools that reported Algebra I or Geometry test scores.

So school test participation was actually as follows. Of 7th and 8th graders who took a math test : total # / Algebra I # / Geometry #

BASIS: 189/0/0
Deal: 941/DS/DS
Eliot-Hine: 261/29/17
Hardy: 374/DS/DS
Jefferson: 249/DS/n<10
John Francis: 161/20/0
Latin: 196/77/25
Latin Cooper: 183/64/28
MacFarland: 281/58/0
Oyster-Adams: DS/DS/n<10
Stuart Hobson: 276/56/0
Wells: 313/25/0

DS = data suppressed

Sample of schools above are those with at least 10 students taking, 50%+ meeting or exceeding on an advanced math test.

Deal has 941 7th and 8th graders? Is that a typo? And at those total numbers, why would Deal and Hardy have data suppressed?