Will Maga just watch the sinking ship or admit they were wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:Check out Reddit r/conservative, they still claim they love it and don't know ANY one who regrets their vote.

They also seem to think that anyone who refutes anything they say is a bot because they are in such a bubble that they cannot fathom that there are people out there who think differently.

projection? anyone on here willing to admit that some Americans had legitimate reasons for preferring Trump?

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Anonymous wrote:Never.

These are the things my MAGA relatives are saying on social media.

1. We knew prices wouldn't come down day 1. We knew it would take time. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot.

2. Through HIM all things are possible. Trust the process and keep the faith. It is always darkest before the dawn. We got this! (Not sure if the HIM is Trump or Jesus, but probably both, let's be honest)

(Typed out exactly as written by my uncle)
3. Yep prices are high as sh*t right now and yeah we prolly are going to go thru a recession but guess what? Not his fault at all and I and millions more get that. He cam in to the worst most f----- up economy since Regan It is going to take a lot to fix this sh*t. He is saving us millions uncovering the fraud and don't forget he donates his entire slary back to the US unlike sleepy FJB who stole stole stole from US and robbed the US blind!

Any MAGA that are deep in the cult will never admit that they were wrong. Those who have admitted to regretting their votes seem to be those who voted partyline because they always vote for a R or young people who voted for Trump because of Palestine.

Why would Republicans admit their vote was wrong? They won! So obviously their vote accomplished what they wanted it to. We're the ones who won't admit to being wrong. Which of our policies have we changed in response to the voters rejection of our platform? None.

We keep telling ourselves that the stock market or federal layoffs or Ukraine funding are the ultimate outcomes of politics, but those are all second derivatives. What matters first is winning and losing elections and being in or out of power. We just got booted out of power. Obviously we are the ones who should admit we were wrong. Something about our policies, personalities, and performance caused us to be rejected by the voters. We should figure out what it was and correct it.

I'm a local professor. I've talked to hundreds of young voters to try to find out what happened, and these are the 2 things I heard from them:
1. Palestine. They wanted a hard stance against Israel and pro-Palestine. They were very put off by Harris' statement “Israel has a right to go after the terrorists that are Hamas,” and believe that Israel did not do that. They think Israel went in like a bull in a china shop and caused as much destruction as possible and it wasn't a fair fight because Israel is so much more powerful than Palestine. They believe Israel used the attack as an excuse to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible not just Hamas.

2. The Harris campaign had a lack of direction. They don't think she had a firm stance on any policies. They do recognize that this was due to the restricted time she had to campaign, but they also believe that she was too meek to take any stances that were anti anything Biden believed or against any policies Biden had made.

People 18-44 overwhelming voted for Harris. However, people 18-25 overwhelming abstained from voting for a POTUS at all. I had 212 students during my Fall 2024 semester. Of those, 191 were registered to vote. Of those 191, only 54 voted for a Presidential candidate (52 Harris, 2 Trump).

I have 220 students for my Spring 2025 semester. 208 are registered voters; 68 voted for Harris; 4 voted for Trump; 1 voted 3rd party, and the other 135 did not cast a vote for a Presidential candidate.

Those are small sample sizes, but if that pattern continues across all campuses, as I believe it does, that is what sunk the Democrats this last go around.

Well, they are the ones who will have to live with the repercussions of electing Trump after the older people are gone. So I hope they are happy with what they did.

The failure lies with the party. Their job is to win votes. They failed to do so, and the youth vote was very clear what it would take. The party chose not to listen. The party got Trump elected. And the party will continue to lose until it decides it wants to win votes again.

No, the Dems didn’t fail. Elon bought the election and childish college students (and Michigan) took a misguided “stand on Israel.”

Now, Trump is posting videos of him and Netanyahu sunbathing on a rebuilt Gaza beach with Trump Towers in the background. I hope all those kids are happy with their protest vote. I’m sure the people of Gaza really appreciate their moral outrage.

I’m so over people not voting in their own interests that I don’t care if the Dems ever get back in. I’m going to be fine. Let these kids FAFO. I hope R’s take away all their student loans.

We live in the stupidest timeline and I feel for our children. MAGAs who are fake christians in all that they do will throw a match to this sinking ship. They care about no one except their fake god dumpy.

We would think more clearly if we stopped talking about "MAGA." We've kind of hypnotized ourselves into this false belief that democracy has been hijacked by a few bad apple racist rednecks.

What actually happened is that the entire electorate shifted right. In spite of all of Trump's faults, in spite of all the warnings from media and academia and establishment politicians, the voters decided that the Democrats were so unappealing that they'd rather have Trump.

The people who rejected us weren't MAGA--MAGA was never with us. The people who rejected us were non-MAGA Republicans, Independents, Swing Voters, and Disaffected Democrats. We keep lumping them in with "MAGA," and calling them all stupid.

We are literally deaf and blind to the message the voters sent to us. I haven't seen a single post from a Democrat wondering how an Obama voter or a Biden voter could have possibly voted for Trump this time. Guess what? Many did. If we can't explain that or even wonder about it, we're screwed going forward.

No. Thousands of independents (me) and moderate democrats simply abstained from voting for a president.

I will never vote for Trump.
Harris was a joke.

I voted in Loudoun for my local election and policies that were up for a vote and skipped the presidential pick.

I consider myself an independent because I like bits and pieces of each party. I want immigration reform. I want Medicaid and EBT reform. I am part of the LGBTQ and want gay marriage to stay legal. I am all for trans rights. I think inflation needed a correction. I do not support tariffs. Etc etc.

More of a joke than allowing Trump to win?

This is why your argument sucks.

It was Biden's 2024 antics that allowed Trump to win a second term. Trump should not be president; anyone with at least half a brain can agree with this but placing primary blame anywhere other than on Joe frickin Biden and the people that made him the Dem nominee in 2020 is misguided blame.

Antics? What were those antics?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

The Dems didn't nominate Trump three times.
The Dems didn't elect Trump twice.
The Dems didn't fail to remove Trump from office in 2019.
The Dems didn't fail to bar Trump from running for future office in 2021.

The Dems did stabilize bad economies inherited in 2009 and 2021.
The Dems did grow the GDP under 12 years of leadership between 2009 and 2024.
The Dems did grow the job base under 12 years of leadership between 2009 and 2024.
The Dems did reduce unemployment under 12 years of leadership between 2009 and 2024.
The Dems is pass meaningful legislation in the ACA, IRA and CHIPS Act under 12 years of leadership between 2009 and 2024.

I guess you're right. Given these facts, we're back to our usual conclusion. The voters are stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

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Anonymous wrote:Never.

These are the things my MAGA relatives are saying on social media.

1. We knew prices wouldn't come down day 1. We knew it would take time. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot.

2. Through HIM all things are possible. Trust the process and keep the faith. It is always darkest before the dawn. We got this! (Not sure if the HIM is Trump or Jesus, but probably both, let's be honest)

(Typed out exactly as written by my uncle)
3. Yep prices are high as sh*t right now and yeah we prolly are going to go thru a recession but guess what? Not his fault at all and I and millions more get that. He cam in to the worst most f----- up economy since Regan It is going to take a lot to fix this sh*t. He is saving us millions uncovering the fraud and don't forget he donates his entire slary back to the US unlike sleepy FJB who stole stole stole from US and robbed the US blind!

Any MAGA that are deep in the cult will never admit that they were wrong. Those who have admitted to regretting their votes seem to be those who voted partyline because they always vote for a R or young people who voted for Trump because of Palestine.

Why would Republicans admit their vote was wrong? They won! So obviously their vote accomplished what they wanted it to. We're the ones who won't admit to being wrong. Which of our policies have we changed in response to the voters rejection of our platform? None.

We keep telling ourselves that the stock market or federal layoffs or Ukraine funding are the ultimate outcomes of politics, but those are all second derivatives. What matters first is winning and losing elections and being in or out of power. We just got booted out of power. Obviously we are the ones who should admit we were wrong. Something about our policies, personalities, and performance caused us to be rejected by the voters. We should figure out what it was and correct it.

I'm a local professor. I've talked to hundreds of young voters to try to find out what happened, and these are the 2 things I heard from them:
1. Palestine. They wanted a hard stance against Israel and pro-Palestine. They were very put off by Harris' statement “Israel has a right to go after the terrorists that are Hamas,” and believe that Israel did not do that. They think Israel went in like a bull in a china shop and caused as much destruction as possible and it wasn't a fair fight because Israel is so much more powerful than Palestine. They believe Israel used the attack as an excuse to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible not just Hamas.

2. The Harris campaign had a lack of direction. They don't think she had a firm stance on any policies. They do recognize that this was due to the restricted time she had to campaign, but they also believe that she was too meek to take any stances that were anti anything Biden believed or against any policies Biden had made.

People 18-44 overwhelming voted for Harris. However, people 18-25 overwhelming abstained from voting for a POTUS at all. I had 212 students during my Fall 2024 semester. Of those, 191 were registered to vote. Of those 191, only 54 voted for a Presidential candidate (52 Harris, 2 Trump).

I have 220 students for my Spring 2025 semester. 208 are registered voters; 68 voted for Harris; 4 voted for Trump; 1 voted 3rd party, and the other 135 did not cast a vote for a Presidential candidate.

Those are small sample sizes, but if that pattern continues across all campuses, as I believe it does, that is what sunk the Democrats this last go around.

Well, they are the ones who will have to live with the repercussions of electing Trump after the older people are gone. So I hope they are happy with what they did.

The failure lies with the party. Their job is to win votes. They failed to do so, and the youth vote was very clear what it would take. The party chose not to listen. The party got Trump elected. And the party will continue to lose until it decides it wants to win votes again.

No, the Dems didn’t fail. Elon bought the election and childish college students (and Michigan) took a misguided “stand on Israel.”

Now, Trump is posting videos of him and Netanyahu sunbathing on a rebuilt Gaza beach with Trump Towers in the background. I hope all those kids are happy with their protest vote. I’m sure the people of Gaza really appreciate their moral outrage.

I’m so over people not voting in their own interests that I don’t care if the Dems ever get back in. I’m going to be fine. Let these kids FAFO. I hope R’s take away all their student loans.

We live in the stupidest timeline and I feel for our children. MAGAs who are fake christians in all that they do will throw a match to this sinking ship. They care about no one except their fake god dumpy.

We would think more clearly if we stopped talking about "MAGA." We've kind of hypnotized ourselves into this false belief that democracy has been hijacked by a few bad apple racist rednecks.

What actually happened is that the entire electorate shifted right. In spite of all of Trump's faults, in spite of all the warnings from media and academia and establishment politicians, the voters decided that the Democrats were so unappealing that they'd rather have Trump.

The people who rejected us weren't MAGA--MAGA was never with us. The people who rejected us were non-MAGA Republicans, Independents, Swing Voters, and Disaffected Democrats. We keep lumping them in with "MAGA," and calling them all stupid.

We are literally deaf and blind to the message the voters sent to us. I haven't seen a single post from a Democrat wondering how an Obama voter or a Biden voter could have possibly voted for Trump this time. Guess what? Many did. If we can't explain that or even wonder about it, we're screwed going forward.

No. Thousands of independents (me) and moderate democrats simply abstained from voting for a president.

I will never vote for Trump.
Harris was a joke.

I voted in Loudoun for my local election and policies that were up for a vote and skipped the presidential pick.

I consider myself an independent because I like bits and pieces of each party. I want immigration reform. I want Medicaid and EBT reform. I am part of the LGBTQ and want gay marriage to stay legal. I am all for trans rights. I think inflation needed a correction. I do not support tariffs. Etc etc.

More of a joke than allowing Trump to win?

This is why your argument sucks.

It was Biden's 2024 antics that allowed Trump to win a second term. Trump should not be president; anyone with at least half a brain can agree with this but placing primary blame anywhere other than on Joe frickin Biden and the people that made him the Dem nominee in 2020 is misguided blame.

Antics? What were those antics?

I'm amused by the assumption that Biden had a lot of agency during the 2024 primaries. That he was able to force the DNC and the donor class to run a senile 80 year old just because he and Dr. Jill wanted to stay in the White House.

It seems to me more likely that the string pullers wanted Kamala as the nominee, and running Joe through a meaningless primary was the only way to get that outcome (because Kamala couldn't have won a primary).

We like to believe that we dcurbanmoms are in on all the decisions and that the DNC power brokers found out Joe was senile only when we did, in the June debate. But obviously the insiders don't need to wait for tv news to get facts. They all knew Joe couldn't win a general election in his condition, but they ran him through the meaningless primary anyway.

I leave it to you to wonder why they wanted Kamala. Did the Dems take a dive on purpose? Did they really think Kamala could win and would be a great asset? Did they just want the designated loser to be a woman of color so they could attack Trump voters as racist and sexist? Unclear.

But it's naive to think that Joe and Dr. Jill pushed everyone around and got their way on running for re-election, and the string pullers had to scramble in the summer and "had no choice" but to nominate a terrible candidate. We in the audience may think everything happens just as we see it on the news, but the producers actually plan ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:Never.

These are the things my MAGA relatives are saying on social media.

1. We knew prices wouldn't come down day 1. We knew it would take time. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot.

2. Through HIM all things are possible. Trust the process and keep the faith. It is always darkest before the dawn. We got this! (Not sure if the HIM is Trump or Jesus, but probably both, let's be honest)

(Typed out exactly as written by my uncle)
3. Yep prices are high as sh*t right now and yeah we prolly are going to go thru a recession but guess what? Not his fault at all and I and millions more get that. He cam in to the worst most f----- up economy since Regan It is going to take a lot to fix this sh*t. He is saving us millions uncovering the fraud and don't forget he donates his entire slary back to the US unlike sleepy FJB who stole stole stole from US and robbed the US blind!

Any MAGA that are deep in the cult will never admit that they were wrong. Those who have admitted to regretting their votes seem to be those who voted partyline because they always vote for a R or young people who voted for Trump because of Palestine.

Why would Republicans admit their vote was wrong? They won! So obviously their vote accomplished what they wanted it to. We're the ones who won't admit to being wrong. Which of our policies have we changed in response to the voters rejection of our platform? None.

We keep telling ourselves that the stock market or federal layoffs or Ukraine funding are the ultimate outcomes of politics, but those are all second derivatives. What matters first is winning and losing elections and being in or out of power. We just got booted out of power. Obviously we are the ones who should admit we were wrong. Something about our policies, personalities, and performance caused us to be rejected by the voters. We should figure out what it was and correct it.

I'm a local professor. I've talked to hundreds of young voters to try to find out what happened, and these are the 2 things I heard from them:
1. Palestine. They wanted a hard stance against Israel and pro-Palestine. They were very put off by Harris' statement “Israel has a right to go after the terrorists that are Hamas,” and believe that Israel did not do that. They think Israel went in like a bull in a china shop and caused as much destruction as possible and it wasn't a fair fight because Israel is so much more powerful than Palestine. They believe Israel used the attack as an excuse to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible not just Hamas.

2. The Harris campaign had a lack of direction. They don't think she had a firm stance on any policies. They do recognize that this was due to the restricted time she had to campaign, but they also believe that she was too meek to take any stances that were anti anything Biden believed or against any policies Biden had made.

People 18-44 overwhelming voted for Harris. However, people 18-25 overwhelming abstained from voting for a POTUS at all. I had 212 students during my Fall 2024 semester. Of those, 191 were registered to vote. Of those 191, only 54 voted for a Presidential candidate (52 Harris, 2 Trump).

I have 220 students for my Spring 2025 semester. 208 are registered voters; 68 voted for Harris; 4 voted for Trump; 1 voted 3rd party, and the other 135 did not cast a vote for a Presidential candidate.

Those are small sample sizes, but if that pattern continues across all campuses, as I believe it does, that is what sunk the Democrats this last go around.

Well, they are the ones who will have to live with the repercussions of electing Trump after the older people are gone. So I hope they are happy with what they did.

The failure lies with the party. Their job is to win votes. They failed to do so, and the youth vote was very clear what it would take. The party chose not to listen. The party got Trump elected. And the party will continue to lose until it decides it wants to win votes again.

No, the Dems didn’t fail. Elon bought the election and childish college students (and Michigan) took a misguided “stand on Israel.”

Now, Trump is posting videos of him and Netanyahu sunbathing on a rebuilt Gaza beach with Trump Towers in the background. I hope all those kids are happy with their protest vote. I’m sure the people of Gaza really appreciate their moral outrage.

I’m so over people not voting in their own interests that I don’t care if the Dems ever get back in. I’m going to be fine. Let these kids FAFO. I hope R’s take away all their student loans.

We live in the stupidest timeline and I feel for our children. MAGAs who are fake christians in all that they do will throw a match to this sinking ship. They care about no one except their fake god dumpy.

We would think more clearly if we stopped talking about "MAGA." We've kind of hypnotized ourselves into this false belief that democracy has been hijacked by a few bad apple racist rednecks.

What actually happened is that the entire electorate shifted right. In spite of all of Trump's faults, in spite of all the warnings from media and academia and establishment politicians, the voters decided that the Democrats were so unappealing that they'd rather have Trump.

The people who rejected us weren't MAGA--MAGA was never with us. The people who rejected us were non-MAGA Republicans, Independents, Swing Voters, and Disaffected Democrats. We keep lumping them in with "MAGA," and calling them all stupid.

We are literally deaf and blind to the message the voters sent to us. I haven't seen a single post from a Democrat wondering how an Obama voter or a Biden voter could have possibly voted for Trump this time. Guess what? Many did. If we can't explain that or even wonder about it, we're screwed going forward.

No. Thousands of independents (me) and moderate democrats simply abstained from voting for a president.

I will never vote for Trump.
Harris was a joke.

I voted in Loudoun for my local election and policies that were up for a vote and skipped the presidential pick.

I consider myself an independent because I like bits and pieces of each party. I want immigration reform. I want Medicaid and EBT reform. I am part of the LGBTQ and want gay marriage to stay legal. I am all for trans rights. I think inflation needed a correction. I do not support tariffs. Etc etc.

More of a joke than allowing Trump to win?

This is why your argument sucks.

It was Biden's 2024 antics that allowed Trump to win a second term. Trump should not be president; anyone with at least half a brain can agree with this but placing primary blame anywhere other than on Joe frickin Biden and the people that made him the Dem nominee in 2020 is misguided blame.

Antics? What were those antics?

I'm amused by the assumption that Biden had a lot of agency during the 2024 primaries. That he was able to force the DNC and the donor class to run a senile 80 year old just because he and Dr. Jill wanted to stay in the White House.

It seems to me more likely that the string pullers wanted Kamala as the nominee, and running Joe through a meaningless primary was the only way to get that outcome (because Kamala couldn't have won a primary).

We like to believe that we dcurbanmoms are in on all the decisions and that the DNC power brokers found out Joe was senile only when we did, in the June debate. But obviously the insiders don't need to wait for tv news to get facts. They all knew Joe couldn't win a general election in his condition, but they ran him through the meaningless primary anyway.

I leave it to you to wonder why they wanted Kamala. Did the Dems take a dive on purpose? Did they really think Kamala could win and would be a great asset? Did they just want the designated loser to be a woman of color so they could attack Trump voters as racist and sexist? Unclear.

But it's naive to think that Joe and Dr. Jill pushed everyone around and got their way on running for re-election, and the string pullers had to scramble in the summer and "had no choice" but to nominate a terrible candidate. We in the audience may think everything happens just as we see it on the news, but the producers actually plan ahead.

"Joe and Dr. Jill pushed everyone around and got their way on running for re-election"........ what are you talking about? No one thinks this because Biden, as the sitting incumbent POTUS, didn't have to "push" anyone around to run for re-election. The mistake was made when we nominated Biden back in 2020. We couldn't undo that mistake in 2024. We were stuck. All we can do is hope to learn from past mistakes.

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Anonymous wrote:Never.

These are the things my MAGA relatives are saying on social media.

1. We knew prices wouldn't come down day 1. We knew it would take time. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot.

2. Through HIM all things are possible. Trust the process and keep the faith. It is always darkest before the dawn. We got this! (Not sure if the HIM is Trump or Jesus, but probably both, let's be honest)

(Typed out exactly as written by my uncle)
3. Yep prices are high as sh*t right now and yeah we prolly are going to go thru a recession but guess what? Not his fault at all and I and millions more get that. He cam in to the worst most f----- up economy since Regan It is going to take a lot to fix this sh*t. He is saving us millions uncovering the fraud and don't forget he donates his entire slary back to the US unlike sleepy FJB who stole stole stole from US and robbed the US blind!

Any MAGA that are deep in the cult will never admit that they were wrong. Those who have admitted to regretting their votes seem to be those who voted partyline because they always vote for a R or young people who voted for Trump because of Palestine.

Why would Republicans admit their vote was wrong? They won! So obviously their vote accomplished what they wanted it to. We're the ones who won't admit to being wrong. Which of our policies have we changed in response to the voters rejection of our platform? None.

We keep telling ourselves that the stock market or federal layoffs or Ukraine funding are the ultimate outcomes of politics, but those are all second derivatives. What matters first is winning and losing elections and being in or out of power. We just got booted out of power. Obviously we are the ones who should admit we were wrong. Something about our policies, personalities, and performance caused us to be rejected by the voters. We should figure out what it was and correct it.

I'm a local professor. I've talked to hundreds of young voters to try to find out what happened, and these are the 2 things I heard from them:
1. Palestine. They wanted a hard stance against Israel and pro-Palestine. They were very put off by Harris' statement “Israel has a right to go after the terrorists that are Hamas,” and believe that Israel did not do that. They think Israel went in like a bull in a china shop and caused as much destruction as possible and it wasn't a fair fight because Israel is so much more powerful than Palestine. They believe Israel used the attack as an excuse to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible not just Hamas.

2. The Harris campaign had a lack of direction. They don't think she had a firm stance on any policies. They do recognize that this was due to the restricted time she had to campaign, but they also believe that she was too meek to take any stances that were anti anything Biden believed or against any policies Biden had made.

People 18-44 overwhelming voted for Harris. However, people 18-25 overwhelming abstained from voting for a POTUS at all. I had 212 students during my Fall 2024 semester. Of those, 191 were registered to vote. Of those 191, only 54 voted for a Presidential candidate (52 Harris, 2 Trump).

I have 220 students for my Spring 2025 semester. 208 are registered voters; 68 voted for Harris; 4 voted for Trump; 1 voted 3rd party, and the other 135 did not cast a vote for a Presidential candidate.

Those are small sample sizes, but if that pattern continues across all campuses, as I believe it does, that is what sunk the Democrats this last go around.

Well, they are the ones who will have to live with the repercussions of electing Trump after the older people are gone. So I hope they are happy with what they did.

The failure lies with the party. Their job is to win votes. They failed to do so, and the youth vote was very clear what it would take. The party chose not to listen. The party got Trump elected. And the party will continue to lose until it decides it wants to win votes again.

No, the Dems didn’t fail. Elon bought the election and childish college students (and Michigan) took a misguided “stand on Israel.”

Now, Trump is posting videos of him and Netanyahu sunbathing on a rebuilt Gaza beach with Trump Towers in the background. I hope all those kids are happy with their protest vote. I’m sure the people of Gaza really appreciate their moral outrage.

I’m so over people not voting in their own interests that I don’t care if the Dems ever get back in. I’m going to be fine. Let these kids FAFO. I hope R’s take away all their student loans.

We live in the stupidest timeline and I feel for our children. MAGAs who are fake christians in all that they do will throw a match to this sinking ship. They care about no one except their fake god dumpy.

We would think more clearly if we stopped talking about "MAGA." We've kind of hypnotized ourselves into this false belief that democracy has been hijacked by a few bad apple racist rednecks.

What actually happened is that the entire electorate shifted right. In spite of all of Trump's faults, in spite of all the warnings from media and academia and establishment politicians, the voters decided that the Democrats were so unappealing that they'd rather have Trump.

The people who rejected us weren't MAGA--MAGA was never with us. The people who rejected us were non-MAGA Republicans, Independents, Swing Voters, and Disaffected Democrats. We keep lumping them in with "MAGA," and calling them all stupid.

We are literally deaf and blind to the message the voters sent to us. I haven't seen a single post from a Democrat wondering how an Obama voter or a Biden voter could have possibly voted for Trump this time. Guess what? Many did. If we can't explain that or even wonder about it, we're screwed going forward.

No. Thousands of independents (me) and moderate democrats simply abstained from voting for a president.

I will never vote for Trump.
Harris was a joke.

I voted in Loudoun for my local election and policies that were up for a vote and skipped the presidential pick.

I consider myself an independent because I like bits and pieces of each party. I want immigration reform. I want Medicaid and EBT reform. I am part of the LGBTQ and want gay marriage to stay legal. I am all for trans rights. I think inflation needed a correction. I do not support tariffs. Etc etc.

More of a joke than allowing Trump to win?

This is why your argument sucks.

It was Biden's 2024 antics that allowed Trump to win a second term. Trump should not be president; anyone with at least half a brain can agree with this but placing primary blame anywhere other than on Joe frickin Biden and the people that made him the Dem nominee in 2020 is misguided blame.

Now we are blaming Biden for Trump winning?! Voters had a choice between Harris and Trump. They picked Trump. Voters are responsible for their votes. Grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:Never.

These are the things my MAGA relatives are saying on social media.

1. We knew prices wouldn't come down day 1. We knew it would take time. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot.

2. Through HIM all things are possible. Trust the process and keep the faith. It is always darkest before the dawn. We got this! (Not sure if the HIM is Trump or Jesus, but probably both, let's be honest)

(Typed out exactly as written by my uncle)
3. Yep prices are high as sh*t right now and yeah we prolly are going to go thru a recession but guess what? Not his fault at all and I and millions more get that. He cam in to the worst most f----- up economy since Regan It is going to take a lot to fix this sh*t. He is saving us millions uncovering the fraud and don't forget he donates his entire slary back to the US unlike sleepy FJB who stole stole stole from US and robbed the US blind!

Any MAGA that are deep in the cult will never admit that they were wrong. Those who have admitted to regretting their votes seem to be those who voted partyline because they always vote for a R or young people who voted for Trump because of Palestine.

Why would Republicans admit their vote was wrong? They won! So obviously their vote accomplished what they wanted it to. We're the ones who won't admit to being wrong. Which of our policies have we changed in response to the voters rejection of our platform? None.

We keep telling ourselves that the stock market or federal layoffs or Ukraine funding are the ultimate outcomes of politics, but those are all second derivatives. What matters first is winning and losing elections and being in or out of power. We just got booted out of power. Obviously we are the ones who should admit we were wrong. Something about our policies, personalities, and performance caused us to be rejected by the voters. We should figure out what it was and correct it.

I'm a local professor. I've talked to hundreds of young voters to try to find out what happened, and these are the 2 things I heard from them:
1. Palestine. They wanted a hard stance against Israel and pro-Palestine. They were very put off by Harris' statement “Israel has a right to go after the terrorists that are Hamas,” and believe that Israel did not do that. They think Israel went in like a bull in a china shop and caused as much destruction as possible and it wasn't a fair fight because Israel is so much more powerful than Palestine. They believe Israel used the attack as an excuse to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible not just Hamas.

2. The Harris campaign had a lack of direction. They don't think she had a firm stance on any policies. They do recognize that this was due to the restricted time she had to campaign, but they also believe that she was too meek to take any stances that were anti anything Biden believed or against any policies Biden had made.

People 18-44 overwhelming voted for Harris. However, people 18-25 overwhelming abstained from voting for a POTUS at all. I had 212 students during my Fall 2024 semester. Of those, 191 were registered to vote. Of those 191, only 54 voted for a Presidential candidate (52 Harris, 2 Trump).

I have 220 students for my Spring 2025 semester. 208 are registered voters; 68 voted for Harris; 4 voted for Trump; 1 voted 3rd party, and the other 135 did not cast a vote for a Presidential candidate.

Those are small sample sizes, but if that pattern continues across all campuses, as I believe it does, that is what sunk the Democrats this last go around.

Well, they are the ones who will have to live with the repercussions of electing Trump after the older people are gone. So I hope they are happy with what they did.

The failure lies with the party. Their job is to win votes. They failed to do so, and the youth vote was very clear what it would take. The party chose not to listen. The party got Trump elected. And the party will continue to lose until it decides it wants to win votes again.

No, the Dems didn’t fail. Elon bought the election and childish college students (and Michigan) took a misguided “stand on Israel.”

Now, Trump is posting videos of him and Netanyahu sunbathing on a rebuilt Gaza beach with Trump Towers in the background. I hope all those kids are happy with their protest vote. I’m sure the people of Gaza really appreciate their moral outrage.

I’m so over people not voting in their own interests that I don’t care if the Dems ever get back in. I’m going to be fine. Let these kids FAFO. I hope R’s take away all their student loans.

We live in the stupidest timeline and I feel for our children. MAGAs who are fake christians in all that they do will throw a match to this sinking ship. They care about no one except their fake god dumpy.

We would think more clearly if we stopped talking about "MAGA." We've kind of hypnotized ourselves into this false belief that democracy has been hijacked by a few bad apple racist rednecks.

What actually happened is that the entire electorate shifted right. In spite of all of Trump's faults, in spite of all the warnings from media and academia and establishment politicians, the voters decided that the Democrats were so unappealing that they'd rather have Trump.

The people who rejected us weren't MAGA--MAGA was never with us. The people who rejected us were non-MAGA Republicans, Independents, Swing Voters, and Disaffected Democrats. We keep lumping them in with "MAGA," and calling them all stupid.

We are literally deaf and blind to the message the voters sent to us. I haven't seen a single post from a Democrat wondering how an Obama voter or a Biden voter could have possibly voted for Trump this time. Guess what? Many did. If we can't explain that or even wonder about it, we're screwed going forward.

No. Thousands of independents (me) and moderate democrats simply abstained from voting for a president.

I will never vote for Trump.
Harris was a joke.

I voted in Loudoun for my local election and policies that were up for a vote and skipped the presidential pick.

I consider myself an independent because I like bits and pieces of each party. I want immigration reform. I want Medicaid and EBT reform. I am part of the LGBTQ and want gay marriage to stay legal. I am all for trans rights. I think inflation needed a correction. I do not support tariffs. Etc etc.

More of a joke than allowing Trump to win?

This is why your argument sucks.

It was Biden's 2024 antics that allowed Trump to win a second term. Trump should not be president; anyone with at least half a brain can agree with this but placing primary blame anywhere other than on Joe frickin Biden and the people that made him the Dem nominee in 2020 is misguided blame.

Now we are blaming Biden for Trump winning?! Voters had a choice between Harris and Trump. They picked Trump. Voters are responsible for their votes. Grow up.

No, pea brain, we're blaming the way too powerful people that created a pathway for Trump's 2024 victory by making Biden the 2020 Dem nominee. This isn't rocket science. Figure it out.

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408 people traveled northward through the Darien Gap in February, the lowest number since November 2020.

Some curious dates there. I wonder what changed?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

Sorry but you cannot say Trump was a better candidate. He tried to overthrow the US government. They both sucked. That's why Harris ultimately ran...but heaven forbid we elect a qualified black woman over a POS idiotic dying white man.

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Anonymous wrote:408 people traveled northward through the Darien Gap in February, the lowest number since November 2020.

Some curious dates there. I wonder what changed?

I'm glad illegal immigration is down but not at the cost of literally my life savings.

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MAGA doesn't even know what they voted for. Combine that with their willingness to eliminate their own social security, Medicare and Medicaid to "own the libs" and they still seem to mostly support the current oligarchs.

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Anonymous wrote:408 people traveled northward through the Darien Gap in February, the lowest number since November 2020.

Some curious dates there. I wonder what changed?

I'm glad illegal immigration is down but not at the cost of literally my life savings.

Not worth it at all. The economy was good and now it's horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

Sorry but you cannot say Trump was a better candidate. He tried to overthrow the US government. They both sucked. That's why Harris ultimately ran...but heaven forbid we elect a qualified black woman over a POS idiotic dying white man.

Of course Trump wasn't a "better candidate". When you have an unfit incumbent back out of the race for a second POTUS term one month prior to the party convention, the incumbent party will lose that election 1000 times out of 1000. Harris never had a chance; even against an opponent as weak as Trump. This wasn't her fault. It was Biden's fault and the fault of the people that put a 77 year first term POTUS in power back in 2020. Weakness breeds weakness.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

He was unpopular because the media harped on baby formula, egg prices and Hunter dick pix and never really reported on how good the US economy actually was. if the media gave trump anything close to the same treatment in 2020 or now, or during the campaign, we wouldn't be here.