Immigration - how is it such a huge issue in this race?

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe someone started a thread asking why immigration is a huge issue in this race. It boggles the mind that someone can’t understand why such a huge task of the federal government would be a concern to voters. Are DC liberals this out of touch with the mainstream?!

Not in DC. Where is it that you live that you are personally so affected?

Alexandria, Virginia. Illegal immigrants (and those brought here under the admins insane TPS programs) have degraded this City and is crushing our public services and infrastructure. But, I agree that DC proper’s abject failure to address crime by US citizens personally affects more people in DC than the illegal immigrant invasion.

How has it affected you?

I have children in public schools which are overcrowded and unable to educate. The district stupidly chooses to allow 22 year old ELL students to go to high school. So my 14 year old sophomore girl is in gym class with a 22 year old. My car insurance rates are increasing. Access to medical care is diminished and long waits at the ER. There was a body found in our local playground a few years back - gang related. The number of cars parked on residential streets is insane. I can go on. Again - the City’s lack of governance is the heart of the problem, but the continuous stream of people exacerbates it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/18/us/politics/trump-immigration-fact-check.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


Facts are so inconvenient, aren’t they?

Did you actually read the article? It also does not address class sizes and ELL populations at public schools. I live a quarter mile from Arlandria. I know what I see with my own two eyes every. single. day.

Yes, did you? The point is that there is a trend- supported by bigots like you- to blame every social ill on immigrants. And these claims are misleading and/or outright lies

Illegal immigrants invading this country are a scourge. 58% of the country agrees and wants mass deportation. I hope the liberal, progressive bubble you must live in isolates you from us bigots.

No one with an IQ above 90 wants "mass deportation". We want our government to step up to the plate and secure the border. It doesn't matter how it's secured- with a fully constructed wall, manpower, or stopping those without pre-authorized entry before they make the trek to the border. Just do it. Once the obvious first step is completed, we can focus on thorough immigration reform that provides a pathway for equitable and legal immigration from all around the world that will be encouraged and welcomed by the current legal residents of the US. The truth is, our GOP politicians don't want this border problem solved because it is an effective wedge issue that helps to keep their sheep in line and the Dem politicians don't want to resolve the border issue because they see future new voters with every new person they allow to enter the country. It's all smoke in mirrors and the GOP and Dem voters are pawns in their political game.

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

Plenty of Americans work construction. I just spent 4 months in Montana. Virtually every construction job is held by Americans.
There is a lot of construction going on in the state now. Also, everytime I fly out of Montana at least 20-25% of the seats on the plane are filled by men (Americans) flying to Texas to work construction jobs.

I also spend a lot of time in the eastern shore of Md and stay at a Hampton Inn. On all of my stays there are a lot of American men, both white and African American, working commercial/government construction jobs on the Eastern Shore. They are generally South Carolinians and North Carolinians who commute to their construction jobs on the Eastern Shore.

Interestingly I never ran into any construction workers from Baltimore City working on the Eastern Shore.

While I'm talking about the Eastern Shore, famers regularly picked up factory jobs on the Eastern Shore and were considered good reliable workers. Sadly, most of these factory jobs left the area in the 1990s and are now done in China or Mexico.

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

Plenty of Americans work construction. I just spent 4 months in Montana. Virtually every construction job is held by Americans.
There is a lot of construction going on in the state now. Also, everytime I fly out of Montana at least 20-25% of the seats on the plane are filled by men (Americans) flying to Texas to work construction jobs.

I also spend a lot of time in the eastern shore of Md and stay at a Hampton Inn. On all of my stays there are a lot of American men, both white and African American, working commercial/government construction jobs on the Eastern Shore. They are generally South Carolinians and North Carolinians who commute to their construction jobs on the Eastern Shore.

Interestingly I never ran into any construction workers from Baltimore City working on the Eastern Shore.

While I'm talking about the Eastern Shore, famers regularly picked up factory jobs on the Eastern Shore and were considered good reliable workers. Sadly, most of these factory jobs left the area in the 1990s and are now done in China or Mexico.

And what is your family of origin? Are you Native American? If not, then what exactly are you arguing over?

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

Plenty of Americans work construction. I just spent 4 months in Montana. Virtually every construction job is held by Americans.
There is a lot of construction going on in the state now. Also, everytime I fly out of Montana at least 20-25% of the seats on the plane are filled by men (Americans) flying to Texas to work construction jobs.

I also spend a lot of time in the eastern shore of Md and stay at a Hampton Inn. On all of my stays there are a lot of American men, both white and African American, working commercial/government construction jobs on the Eastern Shore. They are generally South Carolinians and North Carolinians who commute to their construction jobs on the Eastern Shore.

Interestingly I never ran into any construction workers from Baltimore City working on the Eastern Shore.

While I'm talking about the Eastern Shore, famers regularly picked up factory jobs on the Eastern Shore and were considered good reliable workers. Sadly, most of these factory jobs left the area in the 1990s and are now done in China or Mexico.

And what is your family of origin? Are you Native American? If not, then what exactly are you arguing over?

DP here. I've been told I can identify as Native American. My dad's family is from Kentucky; and my great, great grandmother was reportedly Native American.

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

Plenty of Americans work construction. I just spent 4 months in Montana. Virtually every construction job is held by Americans.
There is a lot of construction going on in the state now. Also, everytime I fly out of Montana at least 20-25% of the seats on the plane are filled by men (Americans) flying to Texas to work construction jobs.

I also spend a lot of time in the eastern shore of Md and stay at a Hampton Inn. On all of my stays there are a lot of American men, both white and African American, working commercial/government construction jobs on the Eastern Shore. They are generally South Carolinians and North Carolinians who commute to their construction jobs on the Eastern Shore.

Interestingly I never ran into any construction workers from Baltimore City working on the Eastern Shore.

While I'm talking about the Eastern Shore, famers regularly picked up factory jobs on the Eastern Shore and were considered good reliable workers. Sadly, most of these factory jobs left the area in the 1990s and are now done in China or Mexico.

And what is your family of origin? Are you Native American? If not, then what exactly are you arguing over?

Do you really think this is an effective, “gotcha” retort? No wonder democrats are losing on this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

Plenty of Americans work construction. I just spent 4 months in Montana. Virtually every construction job is held by Americans.
There is a lot of construction going on in the state now. Also, everytime I fly out of Montana at least 20-25% of the seats on the plane are filled by men (Americans) flying to Texas to work construction jobs.

I also spend a lot of time in the eastern shore of Md and stay at a Hampton Inn. On all of my stays there are a lot of American men, both white and African American, working commercial/government construction jobs on the Eastern Shore. They are generally South Carolinians and North Carolinians who commute to their construction jobs on the Eastern Shore.

Interestingly I never ran into any construction workers from Baltimore City working on the Eastern Shore.

While I'm talking about the Eastern Shore, famers regularly picked up factory jobs on the Eastern Shore and were considered good reliable workers. Sadly, most of these factory jobs left the area in the 1990s and are now done in China or Mexico.

And what is your family of origin? Are you Native American? If not, then what exactly are you arguing over?

DP here. I've been told I can identify as Native American. My dad's family is from Kentucky; and my great, great grandmother was reportedly Native American.

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

Plenty of Americans work construction. I just spent 4 months in Montana. Virtually every construction job is held by Americans.
There is a lot of construction going on in the state now. Also, everytime I fly out of Montana at least 20-25% of the seats on the plane are filled by men (Americans) flying to Texas to work construction jobs.

I also spend a lot of time in the eastern shore of Md and stay at a Hampton Inn. On all of my stays there are a lot of American men, both white and African American, working commercial/government construction jobs on the Eastern Shore. They are generally South Carolinians and North Carolinians who commute to their construction jobs on the Eastern Shore.

Interestingly I never ran into any construction workers from Baltimore City working on the Eastern Shore.

While I'm talking about the Eastern Shore, famers regularly picked up factory jobs on the Eastern Shore and were considered good reliable workers. Sadly, most of these factory jobs left the area in the 1990s and are now done in China or Mexico.

And what is your family of origin? Are you Native American? If not, then what exactly are you arguing over?

Do you really think this is an effective, “gotcha” retort? No wonder democrats are losing on this issue.

And do you think suggesting immigrants eat cats and dogs is a gotcha moment?

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

Plenty of Americans work construction. I just spent 4 months in Montana. Virtually every construction job is held by Americans.
There is a lot of construction going on in the state now. Also, everytime I fly out of Montana at least 20-25% of the seats on the plane are filled by men (Americans) flying to Texas to work construction jobs.

I also spend a lot of time in the eastern shore of Md and stay at a Hampton Inn. On all of my stays there are a lot of American men, both white and African American, working commercial/government construction jobs on the Eastern Shore. They are generally South Carolinians and North Carolinians who commute to their construction jobs on the Eastern Shore.

Interestingly I never ran into any construction workers from Baltimore City working on the Eastern Shore.

While I'm talking about the Eastern Shore, famers regularly picked up factory jobs on the Eastern Shore and were considered good reliable workers. Sadly, most of these factory jobs left the area in the 1990s and are now done in China or Mexico.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/despite-trumps-claims-data-shows-migrants-arent-taking-jobs-from-black-or-hispanic-people

You’re probably not even American but at this point, I am starting to think that stupid Americans deserve what they’re asking for. So many consistently fall for dumb culture war issues and vote against candidates who are actually trying to solve problems for everyday Americans. You did it with Hillary. You’ll do it again with Kamala.

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Y'all are missing the other big factor that sets immigrants today apart from immigrants of the past. Much harder to assimilate now, given Internet and social media. A lot of new immigrants have no need or desire to assimilate and maintain close relationships with their country or origin (or gangs or origin). That plays into why I think we need to really confront the immigration issue. We cannot survive as a country if we have no cohesion and made up of fragmented communities that don't have anything in common with each other.

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Anonymous wrote:Here you go xenophobes…

A recent study by the US Department of Health and Human Services has found an overwhelming positive fiscal impact stemming from the presence of refugees and asylees in the US. The report, The Fiscal Impact of Refugees and Asylees at the Federal, State, and Local Levels From 2005-2019, shows that refugees and asylees have generated $123.8 billion in net fiscal benefit to the US economy and government budgets, and have contributed more tax revenue than they cost the government over this 15-year period.

LOLOLOLOL. Now do 2020-2024 when everyone is an "asylee".

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all are missing the other big factor that sets immigrants today apart from immigrants of the past. Much harder to assimilate now, given Internet and social media. A lot of new immigrants have no need or desire to assimilate and maintain close relationships with their country or origin (or gangs or origin). That plays into why I think we need to really confront the immigration issue. We cannot survive as a country if we have no cohesion and made up of fragmented communities that don't have anything in common with each other.

+ And they don't have to learn English

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I am so sick of Democrats pulling the race card anytime someone criticizes illegal immigration. Frankly, I think the Democrat’s immigration policies are racist.

Unless you feel that we should open our borders and allow unlimited immigration, we need to have some limits in place. I haven’t heard anyone arguing for unlimited immigration, although if we were to adopt such a policy I think Europe would be delighted to load up boatloads of Syrian immigrants that have caused a strain on their economies and ship them to us.

Once you accept the needs for limits (whatever that limit may be), each illegal immigrant means that we either strain our country past the level we had determined was acceptable, or we take away a slot from a legal immigrant.

I completely agree that the vast majority of illegal immigrants only want to work hard to make a better life for themselves and their families, and given the opportunity would be productive citizens in their communities. I don’t, however, think that they would be better citizens than the legal immigrants who also just want to work hard to make a better life for themselves and their families, AND are willing to jump through every administrative hurdle we ask of them, AND wait patiently for years.

Moreover, while I’m sure most illegal (or legal) immigrants from Mexico, Central and South America would make excellent citizens if given the chance to escape a terrible situation and make a better life for themselves and their families, I think there are people all over the world who would likewise make excellent citizens if given the chance to escape a terrible situation and make a better life for themselves and their families. How about those Syrian refugees we mentioned earlier, or Sudanese refugees who have had years of genocide and civil war? How about refugees from Gaza and maybe Lebanon? The World Food Programme lists 16 countries on their Home Page as emergencies - I bet a lot of their residents would do anything they could to avoid having to watch their families starve. There are countries with child soldiers, child marriage, female circumcision, honor killings, etc. I bet a lot of those people would love the chance to be good American citizens. Google says there are 6.6 million people living in refugee camps, do you think they’d be willing to work hard for their families in America? We are allies with Ukraine - should we increase their immigration quota? How about the Afghan translators and other support staff who helped our troops during the war, saving countless American lives, on the promise that we would protect them. Helping us then has put not only their lives, but the lives of their families as well, at risk. They have already contributed to America, why haven’t we given them citizenship? We haven’t even given all Americans citizenship. I don’t know if the residents of American Samoa actually want citizenship, but I think we ought to at least ask them.

If we want to say that we’re only going to accept immigrants from North, Central, and South America as some sort of good neighbor policy, then fine, but let’s be honest about it. Giving preference to those regions means limiting immigration from others. As race is correlated with geography, this would also mean that we would be favoring some races over others, and it would have nothing to do with their potential to be good citizens.

As it stands now, the most effective route to immigrate to America seems to be to cross illegally and hide until the political climate favors another amnesty. In doing so, not only do they face physical danger and exploitation by the coyotes who promise to help them immigrate, but once here, they are vulnerable without the protections a legal status would afford. They can’t demand minimum wage or safe labor conditions. Regulations about child labor don’t apply because as far as the regulators are concerned, the child isn’t in the US. If they are victims of a crime, they’re not likely to approach the police to report it. The current system is brutal and harms everyone involved. Perpetuating it isn’t a benevolent act of racial tolerance.

We need to sit down and set realistic immigration quotas. I have no idea what those numbers should be, maybe we should dramatically increase them. Let’s make sure we have the capability to accommodate that number. If that means we need to hire more bureaucrats, appoint more judges, design web pages and create apps, build facilities, etc., let’s do it. Let’s also lock down our border. I don’t know if that requires a wall or not, and I suspect that the politicians don’t either. Get some experts, any experts, to put together a plan and let’s start with that.

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

+1000 We will be just fine. Perhaps the fake panic is from the rich that likes to hire "cheaper" help which is totally unethical in itself. Or they like to rent out their house and not report the rental income to the IRS. It's very concerning.

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I grew up in rural Michigan and go back often. There are no immigrants there and all the work gets done. Teenagers working fast food and picking apples. Americanborn men replacing roofs and American born women working at daycares.