JK Rowling's gender policing finally caught up to her

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how any of this is an issue. There are a tiny percentage of human beings that are born intersex. Which, fine. All accommodations should be made. But - scientifically - men are stronger, faster, have more endurance etc. Sure, Sydney McLauglin is going to beat your grandpa at anything. But she is not beating the times of the best male athletes. Intersex athletes like Caster Semenya and Imane Khalif have an unfair advantage. We all know that. They should compete with the men.

And running is one thing. But using that testosterone advantage for boxing? I mean, c'mon. Not remotely fair. It is abusive.

Re: Khelif, we don't know anything.

Re: Semenya--how does higher testosterone give her a bigger advantage than other characteristics? Take height--being shorter is an advantage in women's gymnastics. The average height is 5'1". But women in general...5'4".

There only about 2800 ppl in the world over 7' tall, and 40 of them are in the NBA? Is that fair to the vast majority of players who are not in that 0.000038% and can never be?

Should men with very low testosterone participate in women's sports?

We are getting too deep in the weeds because there is no level playing field. Most of these elite athletes are elite because they have super uncommon characteristics. Michael Phelps foot size and lung capacity. Venus and Serena's extreme musculature. Joel Embiid's height.

SO what is the purpose of all this level testing of hormones?

I think you’re not up to date with Semenya. Caster has testicles which produce testosterone. How is that a female attribute? Caster has also fathered children with his sperm. And it’s very, very likely that Imane has the same DSD.

Based on what? That’s a huge assertion to make. Please back it up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

[Anonymous]

DP. If you cannot explain what your exclusion criteria are for including items in your analysis, it's not research. That's just Google.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

False. That figure is based on research which included a swath of health issues which are not DSDs such as PCOS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason we have separate mens and women's competitions is for a good reason, as a reminder. It is inclusive, giving more people a chance to win. Combining sexes and making sports open means fewer opportunities (for women) to win.

That means that the question of who is a woman needs to be addressed rather than merely hand waved away. And there are a number of people who do not want to address the question and write down an answer.

Said another famous Scottish writer:

“1,000 years from now there will be no guys and no girls, just wankers.”

We are ahead of schedule.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how any of this is an issue. There are a tiny percentage of human beings that are born intersex. Which, fine. All accommodations should be made. But - scientifically - men are stronger, faster, have more endurance etc. Sure, Sydney McLauglin is going to beat your grandpa at anything. But she is not beating the times of the best male athletes. Intersex athletes like Caster Semenya and Imane Khalif have an unfair advantage. We all know that. They should compete with the men.

And running is one thing. But using that testosterone advantage for boxing? I mean, c'mon. Not remotely fair. It is abusive.

You literally cannot prove anything you just wrote. Khelif is a biological female, per her own words and her country's assertions. She's even lost boxing matches to other women! You would - maybe - have a point if she was undefeated.

There is a daily mail article that says otherwise. It’s looking like she may be XY. Unless you mean that her just saying it makes it so.

There are many articles acknowledging Imane is male, along with the Taiwanese boxer. It’s actually astoundingly scary how many people refuse to think critically and just write the whole thing off because there’s a Russian involved with the boxing authority. Madness!

Here’s the thing — that really is the basis of critical thinking. We read these articles and ask: What exactly are these people basing their opinions and conclusions on? And when the answer is something like: A discredited agency that has refused to either identify the tests they used or release the results, AND which had something to gain by their supposed “finding”, people are skeptical. It really is astoundingly scary how many people don’t even seem to know what critical thinking actually involves.

The irony is that you can’t apply the same criteria to yourself. You swallow whatever narrative is published by your preferred media sources.

So far there is no published evidence of the biological sex.

Is it possible that Kleeif was born a girl and remained a girl and is a biological female? Perhaps.

Is it possible that Khelif was born a boy who lacked the male organ so was called a girl and experienced male puberty? Perhaps.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

False. That figure is based on research which included a swath of health issues which are not DSDs such as PCOS.

Not according to the actual published article.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12552585/
https://cdn.subsplash.com/documents/KTC68B/_source/9e08b9bc-95dd-4fa4-855a-745b2f406cf8/document.pdf

Show us where PCOS is included.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, I do feel its complex to allow trans women into women's sports. But that's not the issue with Imane. A lot of people misunderstood what was going on and apologized once they realized they were wrong. Has Rowling apologized for mischaracterizing the situation? Has Musk?

What did Rowling get wrong? Be specific.

Troll.

Sounds like you can’t find anything incorrect about her statements. You just hate her because she supports women. Typical.

Regardless if Khelif actually is a genetic anomaly, she was raised as a woman in a country where women have limited options. She had to fight tooth and nail to be a woman in boxing. She experienced gender discrimination.

She has lived the life of a woman with all the parts and baggage. And YET..Rowling dismissed all that, all the struggles she supposedly cares about, because Khelif MAY have a DSD, which is nowhere near the same as being a man.

So she only seems to care about certain kinds of women, which is ERFish (not TERFish).

Depending the DSD, Khelif would still be male even if his parents call him she and put him in dresses. Having a DSD does not make one non male necessarily.

Yeah well, it is all speculation. And intersex indicates that sex is really more bimodal than binary. If we accept that ANY presence of an X or Y makes someone male or female, than we ignore that XY gonadal dysgenesis (with Y chromosome, but dysfunctional SRY group) exists, which presents externally as female. 46,XX/46,XY chimerism also exists, which can result in either indeterminate sex characteristics or just entirely male or female presentation.

To add: an XY-female who has an Y-chromosome but either suffers from androgen insensitivity or a damaged SRY-gene is not a "male" as we know it, no more than an XX-male with a translocated SRY-gene to one of the other chromosomes is a “female."

It is just too complicated, so why not keep it simple. Birth certificates. Otherwise, we have to also account for other anomalies like height and lung capacity and musculature.

This should be the last word.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

False. That figure is based on research which included a swath of health issues which are not DSDs such as PCOS.

Not according to the actual published article.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12552585/
https://cdn.subsplash.com/documents/KTC68B/_source/9e08b9bc-95dd-4fa4-855a-745b2f406cf8/document.pdf

Show us where PCOS is included.

The actual number is .018%

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

False. That figure is based on research which included a swath of health issues which are not DSDs such as PCOS.

Not according to the actual published article.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12552585/
https://cdn.subsplash.com/documents/KTC68B/_source/9e08b9bc-95dd-4fa4-855a-745b2f406cf8/document.pdf

Show us where PCOS is included.

The actual number is .018%

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

Okay, so I missed where it says "PCOS" in the original article -- where was that, again?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

False. That figure is based on research which included a swath of health issues which are not DSDs such as PCOS.

Not according to the actual published article.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12552585/
https://cdn.subsplash.com/documents/KTC68B/_source/9e08b9bc-95dd-4fa4-855a-745b2f406cf8/document.pdf

Show us where PCOS is included.

The actual number is .018%

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

Okay, so I missed where it says "PCOS" in the original article -- where was that, again?

Dp, but if you look at the article, the largest categories they include are 47XXX, who are decidedly female, and XXY, also known as Klinefelter syndrome, who are decidedly male. They do have disorders of sexual development, but they are not intersex.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

False. That figure is based on research which included a swath of health issues which are not DSDs such as PCOS.

Not according to the actual published article.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12552585/
https://cdn.subsplash.com/documents/KTC68B/_source/9e08b9bc-95dd-4fa4-855a-745b2f406cf8/document.pdf

Show us where PCOS is included.

The actual number is .018%

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

Okay, so I missed where it says "PCOS" in the original article -- where was that, again?

Dp, but if you look at the article, the largest categories they include are 47XXX, who are decidedly female, and XXY, also known as Klinefelter syndrome, who are decidedly male. They do have disorders of sexual development, but they are not intersex.

Right, I read the article. I' not sure PP who keeps throwing around "PCOS" has, and I can't figure out whether this was a deliberate lie or if they just didn't bother to assess the source (as an actual scientist would).

[Anonymous]

^^I'm not sure

(and still not sure)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

False. That figure is based on research which included a swath of health issues which are not DSDs such as PCOS.

Not according to the actual published article.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12552585/
https://cdn.subsplash.com/documents/KTC68B/_source/9e08b9bc-95dd-4fa4-855a-745b2f406cf8/document.pdf

Show us where PCOS is included.

DP
I myself did not see PCOS mentioned. However, they included hypospadias in this article. Which has nothing to do with being intersex. The article itself states that the rate of true hermaphroditism is .0117 out of 1000 live births.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know intersex people aren’t actually rare right? It’s the same percentage as redheads. You definitely know some intersex people even if you haven’t examined their genitals.

This is fake news.

1.7% of the population has intersex traits. Apologies— are errors who should not be allowed to use male or female restrooms in their offices in schools— so what diapers, I guess?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/many-transgender-intersex-people-live-us-rcna96711

1-2% of the population has red hair.

https://medicover-genetics.com/red-hair-its-in-your-genes/#:~:text=Everyone%20is%20aware%20of%20red,particularly%20in%20Scotland%20and%20Ireland.

Actual truth.

False. That figure is based on research which included a swath of health issues which are not DSDs such as PCOS.

Not according to the actual published article.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12552585/
https://cdn.subsplash.com/documents/KTC68B/_source/9e08b9bc-95dd-4fa4-855a-745b2f406cf8/document.pdf

Show us where PCOS is included.

DP
I myself did not see PCOS mentioned. However, they included hypospadias in this article. Which has nothing to do with being intersex. The article itself states that the rate of true hermaphroditism is .0117 out of 1000 live births.

And a bunch of them end up at the Olympics. Such a puzzler.