Rs are terminally out of touch with normal people

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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.




I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.


And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.


What does that video have to do with trans people?


You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.


The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church. They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer. Why are all religious people supporting serial killers? You can’t pick and choose. You go to church, you support murderers.


Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know.


Christians go to church every week.


And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know.


Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks. If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors? I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b




False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA!


Why is this a false equivalence? Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these? Or are you just going to deflect? Because it's never about protecting the kids.


Where did I say that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children? You don’t have to create a fictitious narrative in order to defend exposing kids to essentially porn parades. Leave the sexual crap out of pride parades and you’ll get more support. Why on earth is it suddenly important for drag queens to have a kids’ story hour?
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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.




I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.


And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.


What does that video have to do with trans people?


You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.


Sure, I agree, it's inappropriate and the parade organizers should have warned parents that this was not a kid-friendly event. You have not made a clear connection to how that ties to Target selling t-shirts.

Also, until you come out and start making as much fuss about child beauty pageants as you do about a video of a parade in Canada, then I can't take your outrage seriously. Because you are otherwise a hypocrite. Those child beauty pageants are way more inappropriate, they sexual underage girls and they foster way more "grooming."



DP, but it sounds like you agree in principle that involving children in sexually explicit activities or exposing them to sexually explicit materials is inappropriate. Honestly, that's all I want. It's fine if we debate the particulars. I'd just like our culture to get back to a point where we agree that children should be protected from exposure to or involvement in sexual images or activities. Early sexualization comes with a host of problems that persist in adulthood. Children should have relatively a wholesome upbringing, and that is possible in gay homes as well as straight homes. There is nothing about being trans, gay, etc that requires children to be exposed to sexual activities in order to increase acceptance, etc.


That also means way more stringent rules about media - film, television, music, video games, advertisements.

I don't care if children wear rainbow pride t-shirts, though, or if Target sells rainbow themed items. That does not "sexualize" children.

Also I personally think violence is way worse than sex. So I would toss in violence if we're going to "get our culture back" with regard to children. My parents had no problem with us watching the few seconds of nudity in Romeo and Juliet in our freshman year English class. But they wouldn't let us watch violent films or play violent video games. Are you on board with getting rid of our violent culture, too? If so, I extend a hand.



A parent can turn off all those things


Just as a parent can decide not to take kids to events they consider inappropriate for them.


They could but oh, the opportunity to virtue signal that they would miss means being blackballed from social events in the liberal sphere. Show your support or be banned!
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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.




I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.


And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.


What does that video have to do with trans people?


You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.


The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church. They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer. Why are all religious people supporting serial killers? You can’t pick and choose. You go to church, you support murderers.


Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know.


Christians go to church every week.


And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know.


Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks. If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors? I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b




False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA!


Why is this a false equivalence? Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these? Or are you just going to deflect? Because it's never about protecting the kids.



So, being trans or drag has nothing to do with exposing children to sexual activity right? So we can keep kids away from sexual activities involving trans and drag people, and that's not bigotry, because it is normal and desirable to shelter children from sexual things like strip clubs and fetish gatherings. Can we all agree on this, without qualification?


I agree, at least in nearly all instances. There have been examples of drag queens using DQSH for inappropriate purposes, but there are also many examples of straight men using children’s activities for inappropriate purposes, so I don’t think it’s fair to tar all drag queens that way.

My issue with DQSH is that it teaches children, particularly girls, that mocking women and particularly women’s physical appearances is acceptable behavior by men. Drag degrades women. DQSH is deeply regressive sexism at heart and I do not think it’s healthy for children, especially girls. It teaches girls that mocking women for being women, particularly older women, is fine so long as men are doing it.


If it were only straight men who were doing drag then perhaps you'd have a point. But as we all know, drag queens are typically gay men who likewise traditionally constitute an oppressed group of people. And if you actually meet and talk to drag queens you'd see that they are not "mocking" women. That is a right wing talking point. It is on you if you think that a drag queen is "mocking" women.

Also I think it's telling that people like you never bring up women who dress in a stereotypical masculine way. Is that "mocking" men? And many women performers adopt a kind of "drag queen" persona. Just look at Dolly Parton.

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/the-joy-of-drag


What a misogynist apologist you are. You get every point wrong here in your desperate attempt to justify sexism because a group you like is perpetrating it.

I don’t care what drag queens think they are doing. I care what they are doing, which is mocking an oppressed group. It’s punching down. It does not matter to me that they are gay men. They are still men and in a patriarchal, misogynist society, they still hold power over women. That is in fact why you rarely see drag kings; they are punching up, so they aren’t as popular. Or are you okay if other marginalized groups wear the logo of the Washington team, because their being marginalized excuses the racism? Does being part of one marginalized group excuse their racism against another to you? Or do you only expect women to absorb misogyny because it is perpetuated by a marginalized group?

I am a woman, I can identify mocking from men when I see it. Or are you going to gaslight me and say that actually only men get to define when sexism happens? That would be in keeping with your world view, I suppose.

As for women who rock a drag queen look, they are actually women and what is mockery and insult from men is showing power as women. Dolly Parton is being herself when she dresses the way she does.

Tell me, are you okay with a bunch of white people dressing as geisha girls for fun? Or as Native Americans? Do you celebrate the Washington team’s mascot? Because all of that’s no different than drag. The only difference is that you like the group that does drag, and want to excuse the vicious sexism and misogyny behind drag.
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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.




I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.


And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.


What does that video have to do with trans people?


You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.


The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church. They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer. Why are all religious people supporting serial killers? You can’t pick and choose. You go to church, you support murderers.


Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know.


Christians go to church every week.


And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know.


Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks. If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors? I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b




False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA!


Why is this a false equivalence? Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these? Or are you just going to deflect? Because it's never about protecting the kids.



So, being trans or drag has nothing to do with exposing children to sexual activity right? So we can keep kids away from sexual activities involving trans and drag people, and that's not bigotry, because it is normal and desirable to shelter children from sexual things like strip clubs and fetish gatherings. Can we all agree on this, without qualification?


I agree, at least in nearly all instances. There have been examples of drag queens using DQSH for inappropriate purposes, but there are also many examples of straight men using children’s activities for inappropriate purposes, so I don’t think it’s fair to tar all drag queens that way.

My issue with DQSH is that it teaches children, particularly girls, that mocking women and particularly women’s physical appearances is acceptable behavior by men. Drag degrades women. DQSH is deeply regressive sexism at heart and I do not think it’s healthy for children, especially girls. It teaches girls that mocking women for being women, particularly older women, is fine so long as men are doing it.


If it were only straight men who were doing drag then perhaps you'd have a point. But as we all know, drag queens are typically gay men who likewise traditionally constitute an oppressed group of people. And if you actually meet and talk to drag queens you'd see that they are not "mocking" women. That is a right wing talking point. It is on you if you think that a drag queen is "mocking" women.

Also I think it's telling that people like you never bring up women who dress in a stereotypical masculine way. Is that "mocking" men? And many women performers adopt a kind of "drag queen" persona. Just look at Dolly Parton.

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/the-joy-of-drag


What a misogynist apologist you are. You get every point wrong here in your desperate attempt to justify sexism because a group you like is perpetrating it.

I don’t care what drag queens think they are doing. I care what they are doing, which is mocking an oppressed group. It’s punching down. It does not matter to me that they are gay men. They are still men and in a patriarchal, misogynist society, they still hold power over women. That is in fact why you rarely see drag kings; they are punching up, so they aren’t as popular. Or are you okay if other marginalized groups wear the logo of the Washington team, because their being marginalized excuses the racism? Does being part of one marginalized group excuse their racism against another to you? Or do you only expect women to absorb misogyny because it is perpetuated by a marginalized group?

I am a woman, I can identify mocking from men when I see it. Or are you going to gaslight me and say that actually only men get to define when sexism happens? That would be in keeping with your world view, I suppose.

As for women who rock a drag queen look, they are actually women and what is mockery and insult from men is showing power as women. Dolly Parton is being herself when she dresses the way she does.

Tell me, are you okay with a bunch of white people dressing as geisha girls for fun? Or as Native Americans? Do you celebrate the Washington team’s mascot? Because all of that’s no different than drag. The only difference is that you like the group that does drag, and want to excuse the vicious sexism and misogyny behind drag.


It's you who think what drag queens do is mocking. It's all on YOU. I'm a woman who rejects most of the stereotypical female look (done hair, nails, makeup, dresses, heels) but I have no problem with people who take it on.

I personally think RuPaul is stunning when in drag. He is just being himself and he is beautiful.

And I don't think for 2 seconds that you care about actual sexism. Let's hear some of your other political positions and which feminist thinkers most influences your beliefs about gender inequality.
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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.




I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.


And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.


What does that video have to do with trans people?


You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.


The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church. They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer. Why are all religious people supporting serial killers? You can’t pick and choose. You go to church, you support murderers.


Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know.


Christians go to church every week.


And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know.


Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks. If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors? I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b




False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA!


Why is this a false equivalence? Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these? Or are you just going to deflect? Because it's never about protecting the kids.


Where did I say that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children? You don’t have to create a fictitious narrative in order to defend exposing kids to essentially porn parades. Leave the sexual crap out of pride parades and you’ll get more support. Why on earth is it suddenly important for drag queens to have a kids’ story hour?


There you go again with the false narratives. Contrary to your lies, most pride events are not "porn parades" and have become much more friendly to families and children in the last decade. Are there gay or trans event where children should not permitted? Yes. And most of those venues post warnings that these are not suitable for children and some also ban people under 18 from entering.

As a parent, I see no issue with drag queen story hour, which in my opinion, is a great way to learn about creativity, humor, and free-expression. I'd send my kid to pride or drag queen story hour any day over sending them to a Church. They would far safer at Pride than in the company of a Priest or Youth Pastor in a church.

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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.




I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.


And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.


What does that video have to do with trans people?


You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.


The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church. They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer. Why are all religious people supporting serial killers? You can’t pick and choose. You go to church, you support murderers.


Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know.


Christians go to church every week.


And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know.


Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks. If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors? I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b




False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA!


Why is this a false equivalence? Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these? Or are you just going to deflect? Because it's never about protecting the kids.



So, being trans or drag has nothing to do with exposing children to sexual activity right? So we can keep kids away from sexual activities involving trans and drag people, and that's not bigotry, because it is normal and desirable to shelter children from sexual things like strip clubs and fetish gatherings. Can we all agree on this, without qualification?


I agree, at least in nearly all instances. There have been examples of drag queens using DQSH for inappropriate purposes, but there are also many examples of straight men using children’s activities for inappropriate purposes, so I don’t think it’s fair to tar all drag queens that way.

My issue with DQSH is that it teaches children, particularly girls, that mocking women and particularly women’s physical appearances is acceptable behavior by men. Drag degrades women. DQSH is deeply regressive sexism at heart and I do not think it’s healthy for children, especially girls. It teaches girls that mocking women for being women, particularly older women, is fine so long as men are doing it.


If it were only straight men who were doing drag then perhaps you'd have a point. But as we all know, drag queens are typically gay men who likewise traditionally constitute an oppressed group of people. And if you actually meet and talk to drag queens you'd see that they are not "mocking" women. That is a right wing talking point. It is on you if you think that a drag queen is "mocking" women.

Also I think it's telling that people like you never bring up women who dress in a stereotypical masculine way. Is that "mocking" men? And many women performers adopt a kind of "drag queen" persona. Just look at Dolly Parton.

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/the-joy-of-drag


What a misogynist apologist you are. You get every point wrong here in your desperate attempt to justify sexism because a group you like is perpetrating it.

I don’t care what drag queens think they are doing. I care what they are doing, which is mocking an oppressed group. It’s punching down. It does not matter to me that they are gay men. They are still men and in a patriarchal, misogynist society, they still hold power over women. That is in fact why you rarely see drag kings; they are punching up, so they aren’t as popular. Or are you okay if other marginalized groups wear the logo of the Washington team, because their being marginalized excuses the racism? Does being part of one marginalized group excuse their racism against another to you? Or do you only expect women to absorb misogyny because it is perpetuated by a marginalized group?

I am a woman, I can identify mocking from men when I see it. Or are you going to gaslight me and say that actually only men get to define when sexism happens? That would be in keeping with your world view, I suppose.

As for women who rock a drag queen look, they are actually women and what is mockery and insult from men is showing power as women. Dolly Parton is being herself when she dresses the way she does.

Tell me, are you okay with a bunch of white people dressing as geisha girls for fun? Or as Native Americans? Do you celebrate the Washington team’s mascot? Because all of that’s no different than drag. The only difference is that you like the group that does drag, and want to excuse the vicious sexism and misogyny behind drag.


It's you who think what drag queens do is mocking. It's all on YOU. I'm a woman who rejects most of the stereotypical female look (done hair, nails, makeup, dresses, heels) but I have no problem with people who take it on.

I personally think RuPaul is stunning when in drag. He is just being himself and he is beautiful.

And I don't think for 2 seconds that you care about actual sexism. Let's hear some of your other political positions and which feminist thinkers most influences your beliefs about gender inequality.


You didn’t answer any of my questions, I assume because you are okay with all the scenarios I laid out. I’m not okay with any of them, but as you are okay with excusing misogyny I assume you are also okay with excusing racism.

I’ll give you my list of go-to feminist scholars after you answer my questions, not that I expect you’ve read or understood any of the scholars.

My other political positions: pro gun-control, pro legal immigration, pro public education (but not exposing elementary students to graphic sexual material), pro environment, generally pro labor but not when labor embraces sexism (e.g. not advocating on behalf of childcare workers).

You know no matter how much you debase yourself to gain favor from men, misogyny doesn’t go away? You can pretend the sexism in drag isn’t there because you want to be a pick-me, but it doesn’t erase it.
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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.




I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.


And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.


What does that video have to do with trans people?


You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.


The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church. They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer. Why are all religious people supporting serial killers? You can’t pick and choose. You go to church, you support murderers.


Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know.


Christians go to church every week.


And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know.


Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks. If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors? I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b




False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA!


Why is this a false equivalence? Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these? Or are you just going to deflect? Because it's never about protecting the kids.


Where did I say that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children? You don’t have to create a fictitious narrative in order to defend exposing kids to essentially porn parades. Leave the sexual crap out of pride parades and you’ll get more support. Why on earth is it suddenly important for drag queens to have a kids’ story hour?


There you go again with the false narratives. Contrary to your lies, most pride events are not "porn parades" and have become much more friendly to families and children in the last decade. Are there gay or trans event where children should not permitted? Yes. And most of those venues post warnings that these are not suitable for children and some also ban people under 18 from entering.

As a parent, I see no issue with drag queen story hour, which in my opinion, is a great way to learn about creativity, humor, and free-expression. I'd send my kid to pride or drag queen story hour any day over sending them to a Church. They would far safer at Pride than in the company of a Priest or Youth Pastor in a church.



I wouldn’t send my kids to either. Their safety is more important to me than gaining external approval.
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Trans are hell bent on sinking the whole Alphabet crew and folks should be scared. Republicans have been given the perfect issue to make inroads into rolling back LGB rights under the guise of "protecting kids" from trans ideology. Liberals are going to lose this one because even normal people are opposed to what trans activists are demanding.

But that said, Republicans and Democrats have become mirrors of each other. Neither party seems to give a crap what normal people think and only cater to fringe ideas and politics.
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The only people making noise about Trans are the GOP.

I thought they were supposed to be more Libtertarian, but I guess that is another thing they lie about. So much for live and let live.
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I thought they were supposed to be more Libtertarian, but I guess that is another thing they lie about. So much for live and let live.


Now, you're just lying. Have you not heard the very loud voice of trans activists shutting down anyone who disagrees with their ideology?
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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.




I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.


And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.


What does that video have to do with trans people?


You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.


The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church. They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer. Why are all religious people supporting serial killers? You can’t pick and choose. You go to church, you support murderers.


Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know.


Christians go to church every week.


And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know.


Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks. If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors? I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b




False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA!


Why is this a false equivalence? Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these? Or are you just going to deflect? Because it's never about protecting the kids.



So, being trans or drag has nothing to do with exposing children to sexual activity right? So we can keep kids away from sexual activities involving trans and drag people, and that's not bigotry, because it is normal and desirable to shelter children from sexual things like strip clubs and fetish gatherings. Can we all agree on this, without qualification?


I agree, at least in nearly all instances. There have been examples of drag queens using DQSH for inappropriate purposes, but there are also many examples of straight men using children’s activities for inappropriate purposes, so I don’t think it’s fair to tar all drag queens that way.

My issue with DQSH is that it teaches children, particularly girls, that mocking women and particularly women’s physical appearances is acceptable behavior by men. Drag degrades women. DQSH is deeply regressive sexism at heart and I do not think it’s healthy for children, especially girls. It teaches girls that mocking women for being women, particularly older women, is fine so long as men are doing it.


If it were only straight men who were doing drag then perhaps you'd have a point. But as we all know, drag queens are typically gay men who likewise traditionally constitute an oppressed group of people. And if you actually meet and talk to drag queens you'd see that they are not "mocking" women. That is a right wing talking point. It is on you if you think that a drag queen is "mocking" women.

Also I think it's telling that people like you never bring up women who dress in a stereotypical masculine way. Is that "mocking" men? And many women performers adopt a kind of "drag queen" persona. Just look at Dolly Parton.

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/the-joy-of-drag


What a misogynist apologist you are. You get every point wrong here in your desperate attempt to justify sexism because a group you like is perpetrating it.

I don’t care what drag queens think they are doing. I care what they are doing, which is mocking an oppressed group. It’s punching down. It does not matter to me that they are gay men. They are still men and in a patriarchal, misogynist society, they still hold power over women. That is in fact why you rarely see drag kings; they are punching up, so they aren’t as popular. Or are you okay if other marginalized groups wear the logo of the Washington team, because their being marginalized excuses the racism? Does being part of one marginalized group excuse their racism against another to you? Or do you only expect women to absorb misogyny because it is perpetuated by a marginalized group?

I am a woman, I can identify mocking from men when I see it. Or are you going to gaslight me and say that actually only men get to define when sexism happens? That would be in keeping with your world view, I suppose.

As for women who rock a drag queen look, they are actually women and what is mockery and insult from men is showing power as women. Dolly Parton is being herself when she dresses the way she does.

Tell me, are you okay with a bunch of white people dressing as geisha girls for fun? Or as Native Americans? Do you celebrate the Washington team’s mascot? Because all of that’s no different than drag. The only difference is that you like the group that does drag, and want to excuse the vicious sexism and misogyny behind drag.


I find your use of the word “think.” The entire trans movement is people who were born one sex but “think” they are another.
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Anonymous wrote:Trans are hell bent on sinking the whole Alphabet crew and folks should be scared. Republicans have been given the perfect issue to make inroads into rolling back LGB rights under the guise of "protecting kids" from trans ideology. Liberals are going to lose this one because even normal people are opposed to what trans activists are demanding.

But that said, Republicans and Democrats have become mirrors of each other. Neither party seems to give a crap what normal people think and only cater to fringe ideas and politics.


As someone with a severe congenital defect, I would like to tell you how horrible it makes me feel to hear people like you toss around the word "normal" like this. Thanks for making me feel like cr@p.

--fringe person who does not feel welcome in our society because of people like you.
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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.




I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.


And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.


What does that video have to do with trans people?


You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.


The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church. They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer. Why are all religious people supporting serial killers? You can’t pick and choose. You go to church, you support murderers.


Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know.


Christians go to church every week.


And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know.


Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks. If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors? I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b




False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA!


Why is this a false equivalence? Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these? Or are you just going to deflect? Because it's never about protecting the kids.



So, being trans or drag has nothing to do with exposing children to sexual activity right? So we can keep kids away from sexual activities involving trans and drag people, and that's not bigotry, because it is normal and desirable to shelter children from sexual things like strip clubs and fetish gatherings. Can we all agree on this, without qualification?


I agree, at least in nearly all instances. There have been examples of drag queens using DQSH for inappropriate purposes, but there are also many examples of straight men using children’s activities for inappropriate purposes, so I don’t think it’s fair to tar all drag queens that way.

My issue with DQSH is that it teaches children, particularly girls, that mocking women and particularly women’s physical appearances is acceptable behavior by men. Drag degrades women. DQSH is deeply regressive sexism at heart and I do not think it’s healthy for children, especially girls. It teaches girls that mocking women for being women, particularly older women, is fine so long as men are doing it.


If it were only straight men who were doing drag then perhaps you'd have a point. But as we all know, drag queens are typically gay men who likewise traditionally constitute an oppressed group of people. And if you actually meet and talk to drag queens you'd see that they are not "mocking" women. That is a right wing talking point. It is on you if you think that a drag queen is "mocking" women.

Also I think it's telling that people like you never bring up women who dress in a stereotypical masculine way. Is that "mocking" men? And many women performers adopt a kind of "drag queen" persona. Just look at Dolly Parton.

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/the-joy-of-drag


What a misogynist apologist you are. You get every point wrong here in your desperate attempt to justify sexism because a group you like is perpetrating it.

I don’t care what drag queens think they are doing. I care what they are doing, which is mocking an oppressed group. It’s punching down. It does not matter to me that they are gay men. They are still men and in a patriarchal, misogynist society, they still hold power over women. That is in fact why you rarely see drag kings; they are punching up, so they aren’t as popular. Or are you okay if other marginalized groups wear the logo of the Washington team, because their being marginalized excuses the racism? Does being part of one marginalized group excuse their racism against another to you? Or do you only expect women to absorb misogyny because it is perpetuated by a marginalized group?

I am a woman, I can identify mocking from men when I see it. Or are you going to gaslight me and say that actually only men get to define when sexism happens? That would be in keeping with your world view, I suppose.

As for women who rock a drag queen look, they are actually women and what is mockery and insult from men is showing power as women. Dolly Parton is being herself when she dresses the way she does.

Tell me, are you okay with a bunch of white people dressing as geisha girls for fun? Or as Native Americans? Do you celebrate the Washington team’s mascot? Because all of that’s no different than drag. The only difference is that you like the group that does drag, and want to excuse the vicious sexism and misogyny behind drag.


It's you who think what drag queens do is mocking. It's all on YOU. I'm a woman who rejects most of the stereotypical female look (done hair, nails, makeup, dresses, heels) but I have no problem with people who take it on.

I personally think RuPaul is stunning when in drag. He is just being himself and he is beautiful.

And I don't think for 2 seconds that you care about actual sexism. Let's hear some of your other political positions and which feminist thinkers most influences your beliefs about gender inequality.


You didn’t answer any of my questions, I assume because you are okay with all the scenarios I laid out. I’m not okay with any of them, but as you are okay with excusing misogyny I assume you are also okay with excusing racism.

I’ll give you my list of go-to feminist scholars after you answer my questions, not that I expect you’ve read or understood any of the scholars.

My other political positions: pro gun-control, pro legal immigration, pro public education (but not exposing elementary students to graphic sexual material), pro environment, generally pro labor but not when labor embraces sexism (e.g. not advocating on behalf of childcare workers).

You know no matter how much you debase yourself to gain favor from men, misogyny doesn’t go away? You can pretend the sexism in drag isn’t there because you want to be a pick-me, but it doesn’t erase it.


You're a conservative in drag as a liberal. Ha ha. Enjoying your persona?
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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.




I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.


And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.


What does that video have to do with trans people?


You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.


The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church. They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer. Why are all religious people supporting serial killers? You can’t pick and choose. You go to church, you support murderers.


Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know.


Christians go to church every week.


And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know.


Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks. If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors? I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b




False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA!


Why is this a false equivalence? Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these? Or are you just going to deflect? Because it's never about protecting the kids.



So, being trans or drag has nothing to do with exposing children to sexual activity right? So we can keep kids away from sexual activities involving trans and drag people, and that's not bigotry, because it is normal and desirable to shelter children from sexual things like strip clubs and fetish gatherings. Can we all agree on this, without qualification?


I agree, at least in nearly all instances. There have been examples of drag queens using DQSH for inappropriate purposes, but there are also many examples of straight men using children’s activities for inappropriate purposes, so I don’t think it’s fair to tar all drag queens that way.

My issue with DQSH is that it teaches children, particularly girls, that mocking women and particularly women’s physical appearances is acceptable behavior by men. Drag degrades women. DQSH is deeply regressive sexism at heart and I do not think it’s healthy for children, especially girls. It teaches girls that mocking women for being women, particularly older women, is fine so long as men are doing it.


If it were only straight men who were doing drag then perhaps you'd have a point. But as we all know, drag queens are typically gay men who likewise traditionally constitute an oppressed group of people. And if you actually meet and talk to drag queens you'd see that they are not "mocking" women. That is a right wing talking point. It is on you if you think that a drag queen is "mocking" women.

Also I think it's telling that people like you never bring up women who dress in a stereotypical masculine way. Is that "mocking" men? And many women performers adopt a kind of "drag queen" persona. Just look at Dolly Parton.

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/the-joy-of-drag


What a misogynist apologist you are. You get every point wrong here in your desperate attempt to justify sexism because a group you like is perpetrating it.

I don’t care what drag queens think they are doing. I care what they are doing, which is mocking an oppressed group. It’s punching down. It does not matter to me that they are gay men. They are still men and in a patriarchal, misogynist society, they still hold power over women. That is in fact why you rarely see drag kings; they are punching up, so they aren’t as popular. Or are you okay if other marginalized groups wear the logo of the Washington team, because their being marginalized excuses the racism? Does being part of one marginalized group excuse their racism against another to you? Or do you only expect women to absorb misogyny because it is perpetuated by a marginalized group?

I am a woman, I can identify mocking from men when I see it. Or are you going to gaslight me and say that actually only men get to define when sexism happens? That would be in keeping with your world view, I suppose.

As for women who rock a drag queen look, they are actually women and what is mockery and insult from men is showing power as women. Dolly Parton is being herself when she dresses the way she does.

Tell me, are you okay with a bunch of white people dressing as geisha girls for fun? Or as Native Americans? Do you celebrate the Washington team’s mascot? Because all of that’s no different than drag. The only difference is that you like the group that does drag, and want to excuse the vicious sexism and misogyny behind drag.


It's you who think what drag queens do is mocking. It's all on YOU. I'm a woman who rejects most of the stereotypical female look (done hair, nails, makeup, dresses, heels) but I have no problem with people who take it on.

I personally think RuPaul is stunning when in drag. He is just being himself and he is beautiful.

And I don't think for 2 seconds that you care about actual sexism. Let's hear some of your other political positions and which feminist thinkers most influences your beliefs about gender inequality.


You didn’t answer any of my questions, I assume because you are okay with all the scenarios I laid out. I’m not okay with any of them, but as you are okay with excusing misogyny I assume you are also okay with excusing racism.

I’ll give you my list of go-to feminist scholars after you answer my questions, not that I expect you’ve read or understood any of the scholars.

My other political positions: pro gun-control, pro legal immigration, pro public education (but not exposing elementary students to graphic sexual material), pro environment, generally pro labor but not when labor embraces sexism (e.g. not advocating on behalf of childcare workers).

You know no matter how much you debase yourself to gain favor from men, misogyny doesn’t go away? You can pretend the sexism in drag isn’t there because you want to be a pick-me, but it doesn’t erase it.


You're a conservative in drag as a liberal. Ha ha. Enjoying your persona?


No, I’m just more sophisticated and nuanced than you. I get that what I wrote is too hard for you to understand.

Your desperate need to carry water for misogynist men is sad but the world is moving on from people like you. You’re a racist anyhow. Good riddance.
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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.




I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.


And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.


What does that video have to do with trans people?


You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.


The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church. They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer. Why are all religious people supporting serial killers? You can’t pick and choose. You go to church, you support murderers.


Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know.


Christians go to church every week.


And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know.


Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks. If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors? I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b




False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA!


Why is this a false equivalence? Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these? Or are you just going to deflect? Because it's never about protecting the kids.



So, being trans or drag has nothing to do with exposing children to sexual activity right? So we can keep kids away from sexual activities involving trans and drag people, and that's not bigotry, because it is normal and desirable to shelter children from sexual things like strip clubs and fetish gatherings. Can we all agree on this, without qualification?


I agree, at least in nearly all instances. There have been examples of drag queens using DQSH for inappropriate purposes, but there are also many examples of straight men using children’s activities for inappropriate purposes, so I don’t think it’s fair to tar all drag queens that way.

My issue with DQSH is that it teaches children, particularly girls, that mocking women and particularly women’s physical appearances is acceptable behavior by men. Drag degrades women. DQSH is deeply regressive sexism at heart and I do not think it’s healthy for children, especially girls. It teaches girls that mocking women for being women, particularly older women, is fine so long as men are doing it.


If it were only straight men who were doing drag then perhaps you'd have a point. But as we all know, drag queens are typically gay men who likewise traditionally constitute an oppressed group of people. And if you actually meet and talk to drag queens you'd see that they are not "mocking" women. That is a right wing talking point. It is on you if you think that a drag queen is "mocking" women.

Also I think it's telling that people like you never bring up women who dress in a stereotypical masculine way. Is that "mocking" men? And many women performers adopt a kind of "drag queen" persona. Just look at Dolly Parton.

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/the-joy-of-drag


What a misogynist apologist you are. You get every point wrong here in your desperate attempt to justify sexism because a group you like is perpetrating it.

I don’t care what drag queens think they are doing. I care what they are doing, which is mocking an oppressed group. It’s punching down. It does not matter to me that they are gay men. They are still men and in a patriarchal, misogynist society, they still hold power over women. That is in fact why you rarely see drag kings; they are punching up, so they aren’t as popular. Or are you okay if other marginalized groups wear the logo of the Washington team, because their being marginalized excuses the racism? Does being part of one marginalized group excuse their racism against another to you? Or do you only expect women to absorb misogyny because it is perpetuated by a marginalized group?

I am a woman, I can identify mocking from men when I see it. Or are you going to gaslight me and say that actually only men get to define when sexism happens? That would be in keeping with your world view, I suppose.

As for women who rock a drag queen look, they are actually women and what is mockery and insult from men is showing power as women. Dolly Parton is being herself when she dresses the way she does.

Tell me, are you okay with a bunch of white people dressing as geisha girls for fun? Or as Native Americans? Do you celebrate the Washington team’s mascot? Because all of that’s no different than drag. The only difference is that you like the group that does drag, and want to excuse the vicious sexism and misogyny behind drag.


It's you who think what drag queens do is mocking. It's all on YOU. I'm a woman who rejects most of the stereotypical female look (done hair, nails, makeup, dresses, heels) but I have no problem with people who take it on.

I personally think RuPaul is stunning when in drag. He is just being himself and he is beautiful.

And I don't think for 2 seconds that you care about actual sexism. Let's hear some of your other political positions and which feminist thinkers most influences your beliefs about gender inequality.


You didn’t answer any of my questions, I assume because you are okay with all the scenarios I laid out. I’m not okay with any of them, but as you are okay with excusing misogyny I assume you are also okay with excusing racism.

I’ll give you my list of go-to feminist scholars after you answer my questions, not that I expect you’ve read or understood any of the scholars.

My other political positions: pro gun-control, pro legal immigration, pro public education (but not exposing elementary students to graphic sexual material), pro environment, generally pro labor but not when labor embraces sexism (e.g. not advocating on behalf of childcare workers).

You know no matter how much you debase yourself to gain favor from men, misogyny doesn’t go away? You can pretend the sexism in drag isn’t there because you want to be a pick-me, but it doesn’t erase it.


You're a conservative in drag as a liberal. Ha ha. Enjoying your persona?


No, I’m just more sophisticated and nuanced than you. I get that what I wrote is too hard for you to understand.

Your desperate need to carry water for misogynist men is sad but the world is moving on from people like you. You’re a racist anyhow. Good riddance.


Girl, bye
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