Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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So far this judge has not done anything legally unsound or ethically wrong.

However it's clear that she's falling over herself to signal to Trump and the rabid fan base that *she's a friend* and does not want death threats! I think this is the motivation of many people who are drawn into the Scylla and Charybdis of Trump's criminal wrongdoings.

In any case, all her actions are moot and she knows it well: it's all just a CYA vis-a-vis a deranged Trumper showing up at her house and shooting her.



Announcing her intent to rule for a party, and issuing the order to produce a more detailed inventory that Trump requested, before the other had even been served (much less responded), is legally and ethically dubious. If she wanted to bend over backward, she could have just asked for DOJ to respond to the motion. There was no need for the additional orders or announcing her intent.


Judges routinely issue TROs on an ex parte basis all the time. Issues also arise in the course of arguing a motion which lead to the judge announcing a preliminary intention of how she will rule but inviting additional briefing from the litigants.

The chef’s kiss in this morning’s DOJ filing is telling Judge Cannon that they explicitly complied with what Judge Reinhart had authorized in issuing the warrant. Tantamount to a checkmate.


Where is the TRO motion? I can't find it on the docket.


Were you expecting that the attorneys adhered to the requirements of the local rules? They couldn’t even be bothered to prepare a summons of file a proper complaint invoking the court’s subject matter jurisdiction over a “miscellaneous” proceeding.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Whatever happens Supreme Court will rollover for DT.
Justice Roberts are you ready???


It will never get there. They are going by the book.


Trump will litigate the issue of his right to assert “executive privilege” for as long as he can.


It is settled law, it’s not going anywhere. You can’t exercise executive privilege if you’re no longer the executive. He is trying to claim that he was entitled to move the documents to FL while he was still POTUS, and that may be true. He wasn’t allowed to KEEP them. There is not a single coherent legal theory I’ve seen anywhere about that. .


It is far from “well-settled.” US v. Nixon involved a balancing of competing interests utilized prior to enactment of the PRA. That is why the statute sets forth the specified criteria by which the executive branch of axsitting administration can obtain access under certain enumerated circumstances to records of a prior administration for which there is a claim of privilege and why Congress vested the district court in DC with jurisdiction to adjudicate any resulting disputes. This doesn’t mean that Trump has an argument that will carry the day, it just means he has at least a colorable right to assert a claim of privilege that can be overruled by the current exrcutive (the Archivist in this instance).


Again— you haven’t laid out a coherent legal theory about why FPOTUS can keep government records from the current administration if the current administration asks for them. Because he cannot — unless Congress changes the law.
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Anonymous wrote:NARA sent the Trump lawyers a letter back in May notifying them of the intent to allow the FBI to review the materials contained in the 15 boxes of material returned in January 2022. Trump failed to file a lawsuit against by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act at the time so as to not bring the issue to the public’s attention and because he could not overcome the current administration’s right to access such materials despite the assertion of executive privilege by Trump. The same is true today. The intelligence community has the right and need to obtain and review the 11 sets of classified documents for the purpose of assessing potential damage to national security.

Additionslly, on June 19, Trump designated Kash Patel (and John Solomon) as his representative to access presidential records at NARA. Within days Patel was threatening to publish “declassified” documents on his website. DOJ referenced this in the affidavit filed in support of the warrant on August 8. It will come as little surprise when we find out Kash was present at MAL while CCTV footage shows boxes of documents were being moved in and out of the basement storage area.

The timing is critical in significant part because jay Bratt, the DOJ attorney in charge of counterintelligence and national security, had visited MAL on June 3 and in a letter dated June 8, 2022, demanded the basement storage area be secured and that all boxes moved from the White House to MAL be preserved in that room (as well as everything else already in the room) — in their then current condition — until further notice. Even Corcoran acknowledged receipt of the request. Kash is going to need a really good lawyer.

good.. that F*er.


How does he even have a security clearance anyway?


It’s a safe bet his clearance has been revoked and he’s waded chest-deep in FAFO waters.

What is FAFO?


Fap around and find out.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
So far this judge has not done anything legally unsound or ethically wrong.

However it's clear that she's falling over herself to signal to Trump and the rabid fan base that *she's a friend* and does not want death threats! I think this is the motivation of many people who are drawn into the Scylla and Charybdis of Trump's criminal wrongdoings.

In any case, all her actions are moot and she knows it well: it's all just a CYA vis-a-vis a deranged Trumper showing up at her house and shooting her.



Announcing her intent to rule for a party, and issuing the order to produce a more detailed inventory that Trump requested, before the other had even been served (much less responded), is legally and ethically dubious. If she wanted to bend over backward, she could have just asked for DOJ to respond to the motion. There was no need for the additional orders or announcing her intent.


Judges routinely issue TROs on an ex parte basis all the time. Issues also arise in the course of arguing a motion which lead to the judge announcing a preliminary intention of how she will rule but inviting additional briefing from the litigants.

The chef’s kiss in this morning’s DOJ filing is telling Judge Cannon that they explicitly complied with what Judge Reinhart had authorized in issuing the warrant. Tantamount to a checkmate.


Where is the TRO motion? I can't find it on the docket.


Were you expecting that the attorneys adhered to the requirements of the local rules? They couldn’t even be bothered to prepare a summons of file a proper complaint invoking the court’s subject matter jurisdiction over a “miscellaneous” proceeding.


Exactly, so arguments about TROs are irrelevant. A TRO motion has specific requirements because it is ex parte, including an affidavit showing irreparable harm (and judge has to find that) as well as reasonable efforts to notify the defendant. Trump could not possibly meet these requirement after waiting two weeks after the search to do anything at all, and they didn't even try. A TRO also usually requires posting a bond.
Anonymous
This isn’t a game. Cassandra is all worn out over here—the sky is indeed falling, piece by piece. He is continuing to systematically weaken all of our institutions and the Republican Party is in a trance.
Anonymous
He’s demanded to “be declared” (by whom?) the president. I mean this isn’t even remotely funny anymore. It’s terrifying.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Whatever happens Supreme Court will rollover for DT.
Justice Roberts are you ready???


It will never get there. They are going by the book.


Trump will litigate the issue of his right to assert “executive privilege” for as long as he can.


It is settled law, it’s not going anywhere. You can’t exercise executive privilege if you’re no longer the executive. He is trying to claim that he was entitled to move the documents to FL while he was still POTUS, and that may be true. He wasn’t allowed to KEEP them. There is not a single coherent legal theory I’ve seen anywhere about that. .


It is far from “well-settled.” US v. Nixon involved a balancing of competing interests utilized prior to enactment of the PRA. That is why the statute sets forth the specified criteria by which the executive branch of axsitting administration can obtain access under certain enumerated circumstances to records of a prior administration for which there is a claim of privilege and why Congress vested the district court in DC with jurisdiction to adjudicate any resulting disputes. This doesn’t mean that Trump has an argument that will carry the day, it just means he has at least a colorable right to assert a claim of privilege that can be overruled by the current exrcutive (the Archivist in this instance).


None of that lets him keep the documents. Saying they are privileged just means the archivist guards access to them. They still belong to the Archives.


Where did PP assert that TFG gets to keep presidential records? No rational person can make this argument. And yet TFG reportedly stormed around the Oval Office raging about “my documents” and left them on the floor of a closet in his personal office. No need to conflate the issues.


So why keep arguing about Executive Privilege if it makes no difference? PP and others keep saying EP is not settled, but Trump is arguing for EP as justification for having the documents. What is PP’s point? EP is irrelevant.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Whatever happens Supreme Court will rollover for DT.
Justice Roberts are you ready???


It will never get there. They are going by the book.


Trump will litigate the issue of his right to assert “executive privilege” for as long as he can.


It is settled law, it’s not going anywhere. You can’t exercise executive privilege if you’re no longer the executive. He is trying to claim that he was entitled to move the documents to FL while he was still POTUS, and that may be true. He wasn’t allowed to KEEP them. There is not a single coherent legal theory I’ve seen anywhere about that. .


It is far from “well-settled.” US v. Nixon involved a balancing of competing interests utilized prior to enactment of the PRA. That is why the statute sets forth the specified criteria by which the executive branch of axsitting administration can obtain access under certain enumerated circumstances to records of a prior administration for which there is a claim of privilege and why Congress vested the district court in DC with jurisdiction to adjudicate any resulting disputes. This doesn’t mean that Trump has an argument that will carry the day, it just means he has at least a colorable right to assert a claim of privilege that can be overruled by the current exrcutive (the Archivist in this instance).


None of that lets him keep the documents. Saying they are privileged just means the archivist guards access to them. They still belong to the Archives.


Where did PP assert that TFG gets to keep presidential records? No rational person can make this argument. And yet TFG reportedly stormed around the Oval Office raging about “my documents” and left them on the floor of a closet in his personal office. No need to conflate the issues.


So why keep arguing about Executive Privilege if it makes no difference? PP and others keep saying EP is not settled, but Trump is arguing for EP as justification for having the documents. What is PP’s point? EP is irrelevant.


This. The PP you are responding too thinks he’s being clever. No one cares about his privilege because it has zero effect. None. He is no longer the president and he doesn’t get to keep official records from the current administration. The end.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:He’s demanded to “be declared” (by whom?) the president. I mean this isn’t even remotely funny anymore. It’s terrifying.

It’s been terrifying for years; where he was headed wasn’t exactly a secret. The GOP is doing nothing to stop this; they just send out talking points to their flying monkeys.
Anonymous
Do you think maybe some of the stuff in the boxes is explicit re/the attempted coup and that’s why he is going insane? What kinda records did he forget to burn on the way out the door… are there some phones in there? Maybe some missing text messages. Could be anything!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Do you think maybe some of the stuff in the boxes is explicit re/the attempted coup and that’s why he is going insane? What kinda records did he forget to burn on the way out the door… are there some phones in there? Maybe some missing text messages. Could be anything!


Anything related to 1/6 is gone. Even Meadows was burning documents in a fireplace in the day of infamy. Trump continues to be fixated on “Russiagate” and I would expect much of the material relates to Crossfire Hurricane and Russian interference (Stone and Manafort) with some “perfect phone call” Ukraine stuff thrown in for good measure. I also would expect material Trump thought would be useful bargaining chips for future dealings with the likes of the Russians, Saudis or Emiratis, all of whom he perceived as having allied interests. Plus a smattering of North Korea intelligence, which is where Trump thought he could build a beach resort. This all assumes some degree of rationality on the part of the actor, so who really knows? But it’s fun to engage in wild speculation as a parlor game.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you think maybe some of the stuff in the boxes is explicit re/the attempted coup and that’s why he is going insane? What kinda records did he forget to burn on the way out the door… are there some phones in there? Maybe some missing text messages. Could be anything!


Anything related to 1/6 is gone. Even Meadows was burning documents in a fireplace in the day of infamy. Trump continues to be fixated on “Russiagate” and I would expect much of the material relates to Crossfire Hurricane and Russian interference (Stone and Manafort) with some “perfect phone call” Ukraine stuff thrown in for good measure. I also would expect material Trump thought would be useful bargaining chips for future dealings with the likes of the Russians, Saudis or Emiratis, all of whom he perceived as having allied interests. Plus a smattering of North Korea intelligence, which is where Trump thought he could build a beach resort. This all assumes some degree of rationality on the part of the actor, so who really knows? But it’s fun to engage in wild speculation as a parlor game.


Well I’m tired of games.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He’s demanded to “be declared” (by whom?) the president. I mean this isn’t even remotely funny anymore. It’s terrifying.

It’s been terrifying for years; where he was headed wasn’t exactly a secret. The GOP is doing nothing to stop this; they just send out talking points to their flying monkeys.


What is the GOP supposed to do? They cant stop him.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He’s demanded to “be declared” (by whom?) the president. I mean this isn’t even remotely funny anymore. It’s terrifying.

It’s been terrifying for years; where he was headed wasn’t exactly a secret. The GOP is doing nothing to stop this; they just send out talking points to their flying monkeys.


What is the GOP supposed to do? They cant stop him.


You’re kidding right? I can’t even tell anymore.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He’s demanded to “be declared” (by whom?) the president. I mean this isn’t even remotely funny anymore. It’s terrifying.

It’s been terrifying for years; where he was headed wasn’t exactly a secret. The GOP is doing nothing to stop this; they just send out talking points to their flying monkeys.


What is the GOP supposed to do? They cant stop him.


Yes they can. They can stop enabling him.
GOP Senators can stop to saying things like there will be riots if Trump is indicted.
GOP Governors can stop saying things like a valid FBI search is "the weaponization of a federal agency" and stop referring to our legitimate government as "the regime."
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