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I fail to see what's wrong with being a "bum on the street" which I believe you mean to be a homeless person? I guess you intend this to be an insult? I think that says more about you than either homeless people or the girls in these films.
Many of these women are economically disenfranchised- overwhelmingly poor, uneducated, and young. Their lack of economic power is a fact.
It's hard not to be condescending when you have found yourself utterly flummoxed and unable to answer the questions I've lobbed at you. Hard to consider someone a worthy opponent (to put it kindly) in that case, is it?
Ouch, boy, you really hurt my feelings
I actually find you to be a poor debater. You are very confused by what is assumption and what is proven, personal prejudice and fact. You have an idea in your head that all porn actresses are poor, disenfranchised, and do not do porn willingly. But you discount that many women today have an extremely relaxed attitude when it comes to sex and being on camera. And you haven't provided a single example of these "disadvantaged women" and your entire argument is "It is inconceivable to me that women would do these porn videos willingly, therefore it is wrong."
But I suspect you know the main basis for your argument is based on conjecture and your personal beliefs. Which is why you lead everyone on these extremely convoluted and circular arguments while insulting those who disagree with you.
Oh gosh. What a shot to the heart it is to hear I'm a "door debater" from someone who has been utterly out argued to the point that they've utterly given up on answering the questions lobbed at them.
What I posted are the realities. I am a young woman. Young women don't have a relaxed attitude when it comes to being called sexual slurs and had physical violence enacted on them while others film it so that still others can jerk off to it. That's almost the opposite of real sex, it is abuse pain and simple.
And you know it, which is why thus far you've been completely unable to answer any of my assertions, you've dodged every question, and you've resorted to name calling.
I suspect even you are aware that you've utterly bungled this, and that's why you cannot even try anymore. If you manage to rally and are able to actually engage in the debate again and answer questions, I'm happy to entertain you.
That's your entire argument then:
you are a woman so you speak for all women. Not only that, but you know not a single woman young (or old) likes "sexual slurs" thrown at her (definitely not true by the way - seriously? You've never heard of dirty talk?). You are the arbiter of "real sex" and "abuse," plain and simple.
Seriously, excuse me, but you are a massive, blow hard idiot.
Nice debating with you.
Actually, I've made my argument from the beginning. My "argument" is a fact, which is that what is happening in pornography is wrong.
That is preys upon the young, uneducated, and economically vulnerable in order to do shoots which involve and in fact sexualize violence against women. And that this is horrific for the women who are the focuses of the violence and for young men growing up watching their first experiences with sex intertwined with violence against women.
You, as you have been outargued and even admitted to being wrong and misinterpreting several (tedious) pages back, who is STILL unable to answer any of the questions I have asked him today, have, to put it kindly, no standing to call anyone in this world an idiot.
Anyway. It's been fun having to explain things on a third grade level, but until you are capable of forming an eloquent response- hell, actually ANY kind of response at all- to my questions, I think we're done.
You have NO proof or indication of the actual lives of porn actors other than to assert that what YOU say is "obvious" and "fact." Your entire argument is based on your beliefs and your beliefs are frankly, extremely limited to your little bubble of existence. Your ENTIRE argument consists of saying that you know exactly what all women think and feel, never mind all the women here who disagree with you.
Save your insults on others' intellectual levels. You are the dumbest poster on DCUM today and that is saying quite a lot. Your lack of self awareness and your pompous, condescending demeanor speaks volumes.
Actually I do.
I have read and listened to women who have been in the porn industry. Have you?
Again, you haven't been able to answer a single one of the questions I leveled at you. And then you have the gall to try to call me dumb? Damn. Now THAT's audacity. Straight up delusion too, but I'll give you points for just having the balls to do that after you've been so thoroughly dismissed.
I'll call bulls*t on this right now. Obviously you are free to scramble, backpedal, and research now.
Up until this point, your entire argument has been to say "no woman would EVER want to participate in this," your argument consisted of announcing it as "fact" and at no point did you ever produce a shred of actual evidence, anecdotal or otherwise. Later you amended it to 99% of women because someone brought up BDSM enthusiasts.
Even if you were to google it now, what does it matter what you can find? I'm SURE there are women out there who DO feel victimized - of course those people exist! Just like there are tons of porn actresses who don't feel like victims and happily take the check for the jobs they land. Your statement that 99% of women in porn are victimized by the porn industry is just something you pulled out of your a$$.
You can call bullshit on whatever you want, no one cares. As I've said, you've been intellectually incapable of responding to a single point. You've managed to mangle even the most basic points that I've made to the point that I had to drop the discourse down to a third grade level before you were able to understand it and admit you were wrong. You getting things wrong is practically your hallmark.
First of all, the article, which i'm going to go out on a limb and guess you didn't read, because being uninformed and yet droning on anyway seems to be your trademark, contained a scenario which is repellant anyway, to any fair-thinking person. Secondly, here are some stories from actual porn stars:
http://fightthenewdrug.org/10-porn-stars-speak-openly-about-their-most-popular-scenes/
I expect, surprise surprise, you to dismiss that as you have dismissed all the hard questions and answers that have been leveled at you. Shock.
The problem, of course, with this strategy is that it's a dead giveaway for both how objectively weak your argument is, and how weak you yourself perceive it as. When you're not even able to ATTEMPT to engage honestly, it's becomes a farce in which the other party has to pretend not to notice your intellectual dishonesty.
And lastly- I'm a human being, which enables me to know that human beings, as a general rule, don't like being subjected to horrifying violence. It's kind of one of the hallmarks of humanity. A small minority of people with a fetish aside.
I eagerly await your next thrilling missive.
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