FDA removed black box warning for HRT

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Anonymous wrote:What is so weird about this thread is that it is not reflective of what any of the medical experts are saying.

While there are doctors out there screaming that most women should consider HRT, I don’t know of any that are saying it’s not safe and we should go back to 25 years ago. People like Jen Gunter are annoyed that the benefits are overstated, but she has come out and said she thinks FDA black box removal is correct. I’ve read her book The Menopause Manifesto and she clearly supports HRT. What she doesn’t like is the wellness people who also trying to sell supplements and overstate the benefits. But I haven’t seen any credible doctor Say that we need to go back to 25 years ago when there was a chilling effect on HRT.

There are clearly individual doctors who are not comfortable prescribing it to their patients but the researchers and ones on the panels and making the rounds are not saying this so it’s really curious to me why a group of women on the thread really seems so anti-HRT when the medical experts while they may disagree on overall risk and benefits, are not anti-HRT. Some of you seem angry than any women would consider it or being offered it.

Seems like you misread this thread. I don't recall any comments being anti-HRT, just anti-misinformation.

There are currently two threads on HRT and both of them get nasty. One person asks oh haven’t you heard any ailment past 40 has to be treated with hormones? I’m sure there are well intended posters here who are against misinformation but there’s a ton of Snark on this thread and the other one.

Give me a break that people are calling out misinformation. People are being rude and they’re definitely seems to be a lot of hostility whenever this topic comes up if women are choosing hormones. There’s also another thread that women are avoiding this topic with their friends because it’s so heated.

I’ve been active on both threads and there was only one poster who was out of control, and that was the “pro-HRT”
lady saying someone she disagreed with should be assaulted with a bag of citrus fruit.

You’re a liar.

maybe the posts got deleted but there were some very deranged ones.

Why can no one who is so against HRT have a conversation that isn’t nasty? You all stay on these threads coming in with attacks and sneering about getting medical advice from social media even when people explain they haven’t. It’s every thread. Why do you do this? Are you doctors or oncologists?

What is the primary issue you have with other women consulting with their own physicians?

I think they feel like they are more virtuous, superior beings and must school us in any way possible.

But sorry, crazy person who is mad I take HRT. It helped ME. No amount of you posting here changes that I was in pain one year ago and that pain is gone. I wasn’t sleeping one year ago and now I do.

Maybe invest some energy into positive action instead of being a jerk here. What goes around, comes around. You’re setting yourself up for the itchiest ears and 3 AM wake-ups with the bad attitude.

Nobody GAF that you personally take HRT. Maybe you need to reflect a little if you are taking general commentary and discussion of the (real) risks of HRT as a personal insult.

Why do you - not a doctor - think that you have any cause to GAF about what a woman does on the advice of her doctor? You can’t answer that. Why?

That is literally what I said. I don’t GAF about what you personally do.

No. You’re so dishonest. You are going after her so intensely. Why? She is presenting her own life. She is not taking anything too personally - she is explaining her own path to using this medication. I’m not her, though for sure you’ll flip and say some bullshit. What is the issue you have with women discussing their decision to use HRT, particularly where they’re well informed regarding which symptoms can realistically be treated? Particularly since almost anyone on it and reading here has obviously gotten the rx well before Makary and the black box issue.

What exactly is your problem?

Side effect of HRT: poor reading comprehension

DP

You’re both such truly disgusting aholes.

Again - what’s the problem with women using HRT? What case do you mistakenly think you’re making with your trolling?

You are trolling and getting it back in return. That’s how it works.

I’m not trolling. Please grow up.

It’s entirely legitimate to ask why you and yours keep attacking women who use HRT as ill informed or getting advice from SM. Why?

Nobody is attacking you personally. We are having a discussion about the risks and benefits of HRT, whether the RFK FDA is trustworthy.

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No one is attacking you, FFS.

The hysterics seem forced at this point.

You need to calm down and try to be a bit less agitated and nasty. There are no “hysterics.” There is discussion by women prescribed a regimen well before RFK was put into this position, using these same medications, and explaining what their physicians thought of the current conversations about the old WHI study.

You’re still totally unable to engage with the question as to why it concerns you when other women get prescribed HRT. Keep having your fit.

DP. There seems to be a discussion on what the studies actually say about the use HRT versus anecdotal usage. Some people here seem to think that only the folks being prescribed HRT can participate and that anything is agitated and nasty. If that’s your view, you should consider why you are here posting and not on a forum that restricts participation.

If you’re going to quote me, feel free to be responsive instead of passive-aggressive. Please feel free to highlight where I or anyone said not everyone can participate. Go on. How am I or anyone else here stopping any participation?

So. What’s the issue with women pointing out that their medication was prescribed before most anyone here had heard of Makary? If the majority of us on HRT began using these medications before 1/22/2025, which would seem likely, are we part of whatever problem you or others have? If we’re under 60, how are we part of the terrible issue presented upthread (not saying by you) of women being pressured to use these scrips by Makary et al in order to….what? Remain quasi-f—kable for men?

What’s the issue with other women seeing their trained doctors for symptom relief? It’s not been answered, so I will persist in asking. If you have a problem with that, it’s a you thing.

Are you new here? Do you think people started questioning the issue of HRT for uses other than hot flashes and osteoporosis on 1/22/25?

As for limiting who participates, I don’t believe you for a minute when you say things like this: “ You’re still totally unable to engage with the question as to why it concerns you when other women get prescribed HRT. Keep having your fit.”

Sorry you would rather fight posters than look at the quality and results of the studies/reviews.

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What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

As someone who didn’t stop, the joint pain and inflammation is real and is beyond just “aging” that can compare to men getting as well. For those going through frozen shoulder and other menopausal events, your pain is real and comments from others can be hurtful.

I had two frozen shoulders and fixed them through a slow process of weight lifting and increasing activity. The fact is, the impact of HRT on joint pain (even if it exists) is likely MUCH less than exercise and diet. There is no easy fix and HRT is clearly being marketed towards American women gullible enough to believe that there is. The only easy fix in medicine right now is probably GLPs.

I workout every day, lifting 3x per week. One year ago, the weirdest joint pains were causing me to lose sleep and move slower. One hip. One big toe. Add in the sleep issues, noise sensitivity, rage days, and hot flashes/night sweats. It was miserable and had nothing to do with not being active or my macros. Thankfully, my doctor knew what was up and prescribed the patch and progesterone pill.

Six weeks into HRT, it was gone. Five months in, I felt like my old self.

Please consider that you don’t know what everyone is experiencing and you sure as hell aren’t smarter than the experienced physicians.

My aging husband has more “menopause” symptoms than me.

Well forget medical studies and data then! Because this here couple is having this here experience! Who needs research, I guess

If you give anecdotes, you’ll be met with anecdotes.

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Anonymous wrote:What is so weird about this thread is that it is not reflective of what any of the medical experts are saying.

While there are doctors out there screaming that most women should consider HRT, I don’t know of any that are saying it’s not safe and we should go back to 25 years ago. People like Jen Gunter are annoyed that the benefits are overstated, but she has come out and said she thinks FDA black box removal is correct. I’ve read her book The Menopause Manifesto and she clearly supports HRT. What she doesn’t like is the wellness people who also trying to sell supplements and overstate the benefits. But I haven’t seen any credible doctor Say that we need to go back to 25 years ago when there was a chilling effect on HRT.

There are clearly individual doctors who are not comfortable prescribing it to their patients but the researchers and ones on the panels and making the rounds are not saying this so it’s really curious to me why a group of women on the thread really seems so anti-HRT when the medical experts while they may disagree on overall risk and benefits, are not anti-HRT. Some of you seem angry than any women would consider it or being offered it.

Seems like you misread this thread. I don't recall any comments being anti-HRT, just anti-misinformation.

There are currently two threads on HRT and both of them get nasty. One person asks oh haven’t you heard any ailment past 40 has to be treated with hormones? I’m sure there are well intended posters here who are against misinformation but there’s a ton of Snark on this thread and the other one.

Give me a break that people are calling out misinformation. People are being rude and they’re definitely seems to be a lot of hostility whenever this topic comes up if women are choosing hormones. There’s also another thread that women are avoiding this topic with their friends because it’s so heated.

I’ve been active on both threads and there was only one poster who was out of control, and that was the “pro-HRT”
lady saying someone she disagreed with should be assaulted with a bag of citrus fruit.

You’re a liar.

maybe the posts got deleted but there were some very deranged ones.

Why can no one who is so against HRT have a conversation that isn’t nasty? You all stay on these threads coming in with attacks and sneering about getting medical advice from social media even when people explain they haven’t. It’s every thread. Why do you do this? Are you doctors or oncologists?

What is the primary issue you have with other women consulting with their own physicians?

I think they feel like they are more virtuous, superior beings and must school us in any way possible.

But sorry, crazy person who is mad I take HRT. It helped ME. No amount of you posting here changes that I was in pain one year ago and that pain is gone. I wasn’t sleeping one year ago and now I do.

Maybe invest some energy into positive action instead of being a jerk here. What goes around, comes around. You’re setting yourself up for the itchiest ears and 3 AM wake-ups with the bad attitude.

Nobody GAF that you personally take HRT. Maybe you need to reflect a little if you are taking general commentary and discussion of the (real) risks of HRT as a personal insult.

Why do you - not a doctor - think that you have any cause to GAF about what a woman does on the advice of her doctor? You can’t answer that. Why?

That is literally what I said. I don’t GAF about what you personally do.

No. You’re so dishonest. You are going after her so intensely. Why? She is presenting her own life. She is not taking anything too personally - she is explaining her own path to using this medication. I’m not her, though for sure you’ll flip and say some bullshit. What is the issue you have with women discussing their decision to use HRT, particularly where they’re well informed regarding which symptoms can realistically be treated? Particularly since almost anyone on it and reading here has obviously gotten the rx well before Makary and the black box issue.

What exactly is your problem?

Side effect of HRT: poor reading comprehension

DP

You’re both such truly disgusting aholes.

Again - what’s the problem with women using HRT? What case do you mistakenly think you’re making with your trolling?

You are trolling and getting it back in return. That’s how it works.

I’m not trolling. Please grow up.

It’s entirely legitimate to ask why you and yours keep attacking women who use HRT as ill informed or getting advice from SM. Why?

Nobody is attacking you personally. We are having a discussion about the risks and benefits of HRT, whether the RFK FDA is trustworthy.

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No one is attacking you, FFS.

The hysterics seem forced at this point.

You need to calm down and try to be a bit less agitated and nasty. There are no “hysterics.” There is discussion by women prescribed a regimen well before RFK was put into this position, using these same medications, and explaining what their physicians thought of the current conversations about the old WHI study.

You’re still totally unable to engage with the question as to why it concerns you when other women get prescribed HRT. Keep having your fit.

Wow. So much projection.

As has been explained multiple times, no one GAF if you take HRT. It really seems like you’re trolling at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:What is so weird about this thread is that it is not reflective of what any of the medical experts are saying.

While there are doctors out there screaming that most women should consider HRT, I don’t know of any that are saying it’s not safe and we should go back to 25 years ago. People like Jen Gunter are annoyed that the benefits are overstated, but she has come out and said she thinks FDA black box removal is correct. I’ve read her book The Menopause Manifesto and she clearly supports HRT. What she doesn’t like is the wellness people who also trying to sell supplements and overstate the benefits. But I haven’t seen any credible doctor Say that we need to go back to 25 years ago when there was a chilling effect on HRT.

There are clearly individual doctors who are not comfortable prescribing it to their patients but the researchers and ones on the panels and making the rounds are not saying this so it’s really curious to me why a group of women on the thread really seems so anti-HRT when the medical experts while they may disagree on overall risk and benefits, are not anti-HRT. Some of you seem angry than any women would consider it or being offered it.

Seems like you misread this thread. I don't recall any comments being anti-HRT, just anti-misinformation.

There are currently two threads on HRT and both of them get nasty. One person asks oh haven’t you heard any ailment past 40 has to be treated with hormones? I’m sure there are well intended posters here who are against misinformation but there’s a ton of Snark on this thread and the other one.

Give me a break that people are calling out misinformation. People are being rude and they’re definitely seems to be a lot of hostility whenever this topic comes up if women are choosing hormones. There’s also another thread that women are avoiding this topic with their friends because it’s so heated.

I’ve been active on both threads and there was only one poster who was out of control, and that was the “pro-HRT”
lady saying someone she disagreed with should be assaulted with a bag of citrus fruit.

You’re a liar.

maybe the posts got deleted but there were some very deranged ones.

Why can no one who is so against HRT have a conversation that isn’t nasty? You all stay on these threads coming in with attacks and sneering about getting medical advice from social media even when people explain they haven’t. It’s every thread. Why do you do this? Are you doctors or oncologists?

What is the primary issue you have with other women consulting with their own physicians?

I think they feel like they are more virtuous, superior beings and must school us in any way possible.

But sorry, crazy person who is mad I take HRT. It helped ME. No amount of you posting here changes that I was in pain one year ago and that pain is gone. I wasn’t sleeping one year ago and now I do.

Maybe invest some energy into positive action instead of being a jerk here. What goes around, comes around. You’re setting yourself up for the itchiest ears and 3 AM wake-ups with the bad attitude.

Nobody GAF that you personally take HRT. Maybe you need to reflect a little if you are taking general commentary and discussion of the (real) risks of HRT as a personal insult.

Why do you - not a doctor - think that you have any cause to GAF about what a woman does on the advice of her doctor? You can’t answer that. Why?

That is literally what I said. I don’t GAF about what you personally do.

No. You’re so dishonest. You are going after her so intensely. Why? She is presenting her own life. She is not taking anything too personally - she is explaining her own path to using this medication. I’m not her, though for sure you’ll flip and say some bullshit. What is the issue you have with women discussing their decision to use HRT, particularly where they’re well informed regarding which symptoms can realistically be treated? Particularly since almost anyone on it and reading here has obviously gotten the rx well before Makary and the black box issue.

What exactly is your problem?

Side effect of HRT: poor reading comprehension

DP

You’re both such truly disgusting aholes.

Again - what’s the problem with women using HRT? What case do you mistakenly think you’re making with your trolling?

You are trolling and getting it back in return. That’s how it works.

I’m not trolling. Please grow up.

It’s entirely legitimate to ask why you and yours keep attacking women who use HRT as ill informed or getting advice from SM. Why?

Nobody is attacking you personally. We are having a discussion about the risks and benefits of HRT, whether the RFK FDA is trustworthy.

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No one is attacking you, FFS.

The hysterics seem forced at this point.

You need to calm down and try to be a bit less agitated and nasty. There are no “hysterics.” There is discussion by women prescribed a regimen well before RFK was put into this position, using these same medications, and explaining what their physicians thought of the current conversations about the old WHI study.

You’re still totally unable to engage with the question as to why it concerns you when other women get prescribed HRT. Keep having your fit.

DP. There seems to be a discussion on what the studies actually say about the use HRT versus anecdotal usage. Some people here seem to think that only the folks being prescribed HRT can participate and that anything is agitated and nasty. If that’s your view, you should consider why you are here posting and not on a forum that restricts participation.

If you’re going to quote me, feel free to be responsive instead of passive-aggressive. Please feel free to highlight where I or anyone said not everyone can participate. Go on. How am I or anyone else here stopping any participation?

So. What’s the issue with women pointing out that their medication was prescribed before most anyone here had heard of Makary? If the majority of us on HRT began using these medications before 1/22/2025, which would seem likely, are we part of whatever problem you or others have? If we’re under 60, how are we part of the terrible issue presented upthread (not saying by you) of women being pressured to use these scrips by Makary et al in order to….what? Remain quasi-f—kable for men?

What’s the issue with other women seeing their trained doctors for symptom relief? It’s not been answered, so I will persist in asking. If you have a problem with that, it’s a you thing.

You have a serious reading comprehension problem issue. Or you’re trolling.

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For anyone new to this thread - read from the beginning, and see how posters using HRT, in support of others using it as prescribed, discuss this issue. The posters objecting (rudely, nastily, trying desperately to provoke a reportable response) show up there, too, asserting among other things, that it would have been better for Melania Trump to make this announcement “woman to woman,” making unsupported by cites and statistics and studies generalized claims regarding all cancers, and being generally shitty and offering links to eye doctors and yet somehow failing to link to scientific commentary about this actual topic.

Here’s a relevant link from ASCO - saying that systemic HRT is contraindicated for women with a history of estrogen-responsive cancers. There is no nastiness or attempt to scare other women away. Perhaps the women determined to scream about this here can relax, take a walk, take a note…

https://www.asco.org/news-initiatives/policy-news-analysis/statement-HHS-revision-black-box-warning

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone new to this thread - read from the beginning, and see how posters using HRT, in support of others using it as prescribed, discuss this issue. The posters objecting (rudely, nastily, trying desperately to provoke a reportable response) show up there, too, asserting among other things, that it would have been better for Melania Trump to make this announcement “woman to woman,” making unsupported by cites and statistics and studies generalized claims regarding all cancers, and being generally shitty and offering links to eye doctors and yet somehow failing to link to scientific commentary about this actual topic.

Here’s a relevant link from ASCO - saying that systemic HRT is contraindicated for women with a history of estrogen-responsive cancers. There is no nastiness or attempt to scare other women away. Perhaps the women determined to scream about this here can relax, take a walk, take a note…

https://www.asco.org/news-initiatives/policy-news-analysis/statement-HHS-revision-black-box-warning

More projection.

Anyone reading this thread today will not see the unhinged posts from HRT boosters that threatened physical violence and fantasized about the death of posters who questioned RFK Jr or baseless claims about HRT. The unhinged comments were deleted and now the nutjob(s) are pretending to play victim.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone new to this thread - read from the beginning, and see how posters using HRT, in support of others using it as prescribed, discuss this issue. The posters objecting (rudely, nastily, trying desperately to provoke a reportable response) show up there, too, asserting among other things, that it would have been better for Melania Trump to make this announcement “woman to woman,” making unsupported by cites and statistics and studies generalized claims regarding all cancers, and being generally shitty and offering links to eye doctors and yet somehow failing to link to scientific commentary about this actual topic.

Here’s a relevant link from ASCO - saying that systemic HRT is contraindicated for women with a history of estrogen-responsive cancers. There is no nastiness or attempt to scare other women away. Perhaps the women determined to scream about this here can relax, take a walk, take a note…

https://www.asco.org/news-initiatives/policy-news-analysis/statement-HHS-revision-black-box-warning

More projection.

Anyone reading this thread today will not see the unhinged posts from HRT boosters that threatened physical violence and fantasized about the death of posters who questioned RFK Jr or baseless claims about HRT. The unhinged comments were deleted and now the nutjob(s) are pretending to play victim.

So you can’t talk about the topic at all - the black box warning. That’s the topic, that’s what’s addressed by the oncology professional society as I linked.

So — what the issue again? Is “projection” your new favorite word? Why is another woman’s prescribed use of medication your issue or business or problem, if you do not in fact care whether cancer specialists do or do not have a generalized concern about HRT use?

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone new to this thread - read from the beginning, and see how posters using HRT, in support of others using it as prescribed, discuss this issue. The posters objecting (rudely, nastily, trying desperately to provoke a reportable response) show up there, too, asserting among other things, that it would have been better for Melania Trump to make this announcement “woman to woman,” making unsupported by cites and statistics and studies generalized claims regarding all cancers, and being generally shitty and offering links to eye doctors and yet somehow failing to link to scientific commentary about this actual topic.

Here’s a relevant link from ASCO - saying that systemic HRT is contraindicated for women with a history of estrogen-responsive cancers. There is no nastiness or attempt to scare other women away. Perhaps the women determined to scream about this here can relax, take a walk, take a note…

https://www.asco.org/news-initiatives/policy-news-analysis/statement-HHS-revision-black-box-warning

More projection.

Anyone reading this thread today will not see the unhinged posts from HRT boosters that threatened physical violence and fantasized about the death of posters who questioned RFK Jr or baseless claims about HRT. The unhinged comments were deleted and now the nutjob(s) are pretending to play victim.

So you can’t talk about the topic at all - the black box warning. That’s the topic, that’s what’s addressed by the oncology professional society as I linked.

So — what the issue again? Is “projection” your new favorite word? Why is another woman’s prescribed use of medication your issue or business or problem, if you do not in fact care whether cancer specialists do or do not have a generalized concern about HRT use?

Projection seems to be your new favorite hobby.

We were discussing RFK, etc until the nutters went off on their persecution complex. As you’ve been told countless times, troll, literally no one GAF if you take HRT.

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Anonymous wrote:What is so weird about this thread is that it is not reflective of what any of the medical experts are saying.

While there are doctors out there screaming that most women should consider HRT, I don’t know of any that are saying it’s not safe and we should go back to 25 years ago. People like Jen Gunter are annoyed that the benefits are overstated, but she has come out and said she thinks FDA black box removal is correct. I’ve read her book The Menopause Manifesto and she clearly supports HRT. What she doesn’t like is the wellness people who also trying to sell supplements and overstate the benefits. But I haven’t seen any credible doctor Say that we need to go back to 25 years ago when there was a chilling effect on HRT.

There are clearly individual doctors who are not comfortable prescribing it to their patients but the researchers and ones on the panels and making the rounds are not saying this so it’s really curious to me why a group of women on the thread really seems so anti-HRT when the medical experts while they may disagree on overall risk and benefits, are not anti-HRT. Some of you seem angry than any women would consider it or being offered it.

Seems like you misread this thread. I don't recall any comments being anti-HRT, just anti-misinformation.

There are currently two threads on HRT and both of them get nasty. One person asks oh haven’t you heard any ailment past 40 has to be treated with hormones? I’m sure there are well intended posters here who are against misinformation but there’s a ton of Snark on this thread and the other one.

Give me a break that people are calling out misinformation. People are being rude and they’re definitely seems to be a lot of hostility whenever this topic comes up if women are choosing hormones. There’s also another thread that women are avoiding this topic with their friends because it’s so heated.

I’ve been active on both threads and there was only one poster who was out of control, and that was the “pro-HRT”
lady saying someone she disagreed with should be assaulted with a bag of citrus fruit.

You’re a liar.

maybe the posts got deleted but there were some very deranged ones.

Why can no one who is so against HRT have a conversation that isn’t nasty? You all stay on these threads coming in with attacks and sneering about getting medical advice from social media even when people explain they haven’t. It’s every thread. Why do you do this? Are you doctors or oncologists?

What is the primary issue you have with other women consulting with their own physicians?

I think they feel like they are more virtuous, superior beings and must school us in any way possible.

But sorry, crazy person who is mad I take HRT. It helped ME. No amount of you posting here changes that I was in pain one year ago and that pain is gone. I wasn’t sleeping one year ago and now I do.

Maybe invest some energy into positive action instead of being a jerk here. What goes around, comes around. You’re setting yourself up for the itchiest ears and 3 AM wake-ups with the bad attitude.

Nobody GAF that you personally take HRT. Maybe you need to reflect a little if you are taking general commentary and discussion of the (real) risks of HRT as a personal insult.

Why do you - not a doctor - think that you have any cause to GAF about what a woman does on the advice of her doctor? You can’t answer that. Why?

That is literally what I said. I don’t GAF about what you personally do.

No. You’re so dishonest. You are going after her so intensely. Why? She is presenting her own life. She is not taking anything too personally - she is explaining her own path to using this medication. I’m not her, though for sure you’ll flip and say some bullshit. What is the issue you have with women discussing their decision to use HRT, particularly where they’re well informed regarding which symptoms can realistically be treated? Particularly since almost anyone on it and reading here has obviously gotten the rx well before Makary and the black box issue.

What exactly is your problem?

Side effect of HRT: poor reading comprehension

DP

You’re both such truly disgusting aholes.

Again - what’s the problem with women using HRT? What case do you mistakenly think you’re making with your trolling?

You are trolling and getting it back in return. That’s how it works.

I’m not trolling. Please grow up.

It’s entirely legitimate to ask why you and yours keep attacking women who use HRT as ill informed or getting advice from SM. Why?

Nobody is attacking you personally. We are having a discussion about the risks and benefits of HRT, whether the RFK FDA is trustworthy.

+1

No one is attacking you, FFS.

The hysterics seem forced at this point.

You need to calm down and try to be a bit less agitated and nasty. There are no “hysterics.” There is discussion by women prescribed a regimen well before RFK was put into this position, using these same medications, and explaining what their physicians thought of the current conversations about the old WHI study.

You’re still totally unable to engage with the question as to why it concerns you when other women get prescribed HRT. Keep having your fit.

DP. There seems to be a discussion on what the studies actually say about the use HRT versus anecdotal usage. Some people here seem to think that only the folks being prescribed HRT can participate and that anything is agitated and nasty. If that’s your view, you should consider why you are here posting and not on a forum that restricts participation.

If you’re going to quote me, feel free to be responsive instead of passive-aggressive. Please feel free to highlight where I or anyone said not everyone can participate. Go on. How am I or anyone else here stopping any participation?

So. What’s the issue with women pointing out that their medication was prescribed before most anyone here had heard of Makary? If the majority of us on HRT began using these medications before 1/22/2025, which would seem likely, are we part of whatever problem you or others have? If we’re under 60, how are we part of the terrible issue presented upthread (not saying by you) of women being pressured to use these scrips by Makary et al in order to….what? Remain quasi-f—kable for men?

What’s the issue with other women seeing their trained doctors for symptom relief? It’s not been answered, so I will persist in asking. If you have a problem with that, it’s a you thing.

Do you understand that this is a conversation about the risks and benefits of HRT and the fact that the FDA removed the warning?

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone new to this thread - read from the beginning, and see how posters using HRT, in support of others using it as prescribed, discuss this issue. The posters objecting (rudely, nastily, trying desperately to provoke a reportable response) show up there, too, asserting among other things, that it would have been better for Melania Trump to make this announcement “woman to woman,” making unsupported by cites and statistics and studies generalized claims regarding all cancers, and being generally shitty and offering links to eye doctors and yet somehow failing to link to scientific commentary about this actual topic.

Here’s a relevant link from ASCO - saying that systemic HRT is contraindicated for women with a history of estrogen-responsive cancers. There is no nastiness or attempt to scare other women away. Perhaps the women determined to scream about this here can relax, take a walk, take a note…

https://www.asco.org/news-initiatives/policy-news-analysis/statement-HHS-revision-black-box-warning

More projection.

Anyone reading this thread today will not see the unhinged posts from HRT boosters that threatened physical violence and fantasized about the death of posters who questioned RFK Jr or baseless claims about HRT. The unhinged comments were deleted and now the nutjob(s) are pretending to play victim.

So you can’t talk about the topic at all - the black box warning. That’s the topic, that’s what’s addressed by the oncology professional society as I linked.

So — what the issue again? Is “projection” your new favorite word? Why is another woman’s prescribed use of medication your issue or business or problem, if you do not in fact care whether cancer specialists do or do not have a generalized concern about HRT use?

Projection seems to be your new favorite hobby.

We were discussing RFK, etc until the nutters went off on their persecution complex. As you’ve been told countless times, troll, literally no one GAF if you take HRT.

You’re not making sense. Do you want to discuss the black box issue or not? Do you need to keep swearing to settle down, friend?

Do you want to discuss whether or not you have more expertise than oncologists regarding the black box warning?

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Anonymous wrote:What is so weird about this thread is that it is not reflective of what any of the medical experts are saying.

While there are doctors out there screaming that most women should consider HRT, I don’t know of any that are saying it’s not safe and we should go back to 25 years ago. People like Jen Gunter are annoyed that the benefits are overstated, but she has come out and said she thinks FDA black box removal is correct. I’ve read her book The Menopause Manifesto and she clearly supports HRT. What she doesn’t like is the wellness people who also trying to sell supplements and overstate the benefits. But I haven’t seen any credible doctor Say that we need to go back to 25 years ago when there was a chilling effect on HRT.

There are clearly individual doctors who are not comfortable prescribing it to their patients but the researchers and ones on the panels and making the rounds are not saying this so it’s really curious to me why a group of women on the thread really seems so anti-HRT when the medical experts while they may disagree on overall risk and benefits, are not anti-HRT. Some of you seem angry than any women would consider it or being offered it.

Seems like you misread this thread. I don't recall any comments being anti-HRT, just anti-misinformation.

There are currently two threads on HRT and both of them get nasty. One person asks oh haven’t you heard any ailment past 40 has to be treated with hormones? I’m sure there are well intended posters here who are against misinformation but there’s a ton of Snark on this thread and the other one.

Give me a break that people are calling out misinformation. People are being rude and they’re definitely seems to be a lot of hostility whenever this topic comes up if women are choosing hormones. There’s also another thread that women are avoiding this topic with their friends because it’s so heated.

I’ve been active on both threads and there was only one poster who was out of control, and that was the “pro-HRT”
lady saying someone she disagreed with should be assaulted with a bag of citrus fruit.

You’re a liar.

maybe the posts got deleted but there were some very deranged ones.

Why can no one who is so against HRT have a conversation that isn’t nasty? You all stay on these threads coming in with attacks and sneering about getting medical advice from social media even when people explain they haven’t. It’s every thread. Why do you do this? Are you doctors or oncologists?

What is the primary issue you have with other women consulting with their own physicians?

I think they feel like they are more virtuous, superior beings and must school us in any way possible.

But sorry, crazy person who is mad I take HRT. It helped ME. No amount of you posting here changes that I was in pain one year ago and that pain is gone. I wasn’t sleeping one year ago and now I do.

Maybe invest some energy into positive action instead of being a jerk here. What goes around, comes around. You’re setting yourself up for the itchiest ears and 3 AM wake-ups with the bad attitude.

Nobody GAF that you personally take HRT. Maybe you need to reflect a little if you are taking general commentary and discussion of the (real) risks of HRT as a personal insult.

Why do you - not a doctor - think that you have any cause to GAF about what a woman does on the advice of her doctor? You can’t answer that. Why?

That is literally what I said. I don’t GAF about what you personally do.

No. You’re so dishonest. You are going after her so intensely. Why? She is presenting her own life. She is not taking anything too personally - she is explaining her own path to using this medication. I’m not her, though for sure you’ll flip and say some bullshit. What is the issue you have with women discussing their decision to use HRT, particularly where they’re well informed regarding which symptoms can realistically be treated? Particularly since almost anyone on it and reading here has obviously gotten the rx well before Makary and the black box issue.

What exactly is your problem?

Side effect of HRT: poor reading comprehension

DP

You’re both such truly disgusting aholes.

Again - what’s the problem with women using HRT? What case do you mistakenly think you’re making with your trolling?

You are trolling and getting it back in return. That’s how it works.

I’m not trolling. Please grow up.

It’s entirely legitimate to ask why you and yours keep attacking women who use HRT as ill informed or getting advice from SM. Why?

Nobody is attacking you personally. We are having a discussion about the risks and benefits of HRT, whether the RFK FDA is trustworthy.

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No one is attacking you, FFS.

The hysterics seem forced at this point.

You need to calm down and try to be a bit less agitated and nasty. There are no “hysterics.” There is discussion by women prescribed a regimen well before RFK was put into this position, using these same medications, and explaining what their physicians thought of the current conversations about the old WHI study.

You’re still totally unable to engage with the question as to why it concerns you when other women get prescribed HRT. Keep having your fit.

DP. There seems to be a discussion on what the studies actually say about the use HRT versus anecdotal usage. Some people here seem to think that only the folks being prescribed HRT can participate and that anything is agitated and nasty. If that’s your view, you should consider why you are here posting and not on a forum that restricts participation.

If you’re going to quote me, feel free to be responsive instead of passive-aggressive. Please feel free to highlight where I or anyone said not everyone can participate. Go on. How am I or anyone else here stopping any participation?

So. What’s the issue with women pointing out that their medication was prescribed before most anyone here had heard of Makary? If the majority of us on HRT began using these medications before 1/22/2025, which would seem likely, are we part of whatever problem you or others have? If we’re under 60, how are we part of the terrible issue presented upthread (not saying by you) of women being pressured to use these scrips by Makary et al in order to….what? Remain quasi-f—kable for men?

What’s the issue with other women seeing their trained doctors for symptom relief? It’s not been answered, so I will persist in asking. If you have a problem with that, it’s a you thing.

Do you understand that this is a conversation about the risks and benefits of HRT and the fact that the FDA removed the warning?

I posted the link to the ASCO statement regarding the warning and yet not one person is discussing that. You and the other person - assuming a second poster- keep stirring and snapping and…not having a single thing to say about the expert discussion of the removal of the warning.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone new to this thread - read from the beginning, and see how posters using HRT, in support of others using it as prescribed, discuss this issue. The posters objecting (rudely, nastily, trying desperately to provoke a reportable response) show up there, too, asserting among other things, that it would have been better for Melania Trump to make this announcement “woman to woman,” making unsupported by cites and statistics and studies generalized claims regarding all cancers, and being generally shitty and offering links to eye doctors and yet somehow failing to link to scientific commentary about this actual topic.

Here’s a relevant link from ASCO - saying that systemic HRT is contraindicated for women with a history of estrogen-responsive cancers. There is no nastiness or attempt to scare other women away. Perhaps the women determined to scream about this here can relax, take a walk, take a note…

https://www.asco.org/news-initiatives/policy-news-analysis/statement-HHS-revision-black-box-warning

More projection.

Anyone reading this thread today will not see the unhinged posts from HRT boosters that threatened physical violence and fantasized about the death of posters who questioned RFK Jr or baseless claims about HRT. The unhinged comments were deleted and now the nutjob(s) are pretending to play victim.

So you can’t talk about the topic at all - the black box warning. That’s the topic, that’s what’s addressed by the oncology professional society as I linked.

So — what the issue again? Is “projection” your new favorite word? Why is another woman’s prescribed use of medication your issue or business or problem, if you do not in fact care whether cancer specialists do or do not have a generalized concern about HRT use?

Projection seems to be your new favorite hobby.

We were discussing RFK, etc until the nutters went off on their persecution complex. As you’ve been told countless times, troll, literally no one GAF if you take HRT.

You’re not making sense. Do you want to discuss the black box issue or not? Do you need to keep swearing to settle down, friend?

Do you want to discuss whether or not you have more expertise than oncologists regarding the black box warning?

I have more expertise than RFK and Marty Makary.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone new to this thread - read from the beginning, and see how posters using HRT, in support of others using it as prescribed, discuss this issue. The posters objecting (rudely, nastily, trying desperately to provoke a reportable response) show up there, too, asserting among other things, that it would have been better for Melania Trump to make this announcement “woman to woman,” making unsupported by cites and statistics and studies generalized claims regarding all cancers, and being generally shitty and offering links to eye doctors and yet somehow failing to link to scientific commentary about this actual topic.

Here’s a relevant link from ASCO - saying that systemic HRT is contraindicated for women with a history of estrogen-responsive cancers. There is no nastiness or attempt to scare other women away. Perhaps the women determined to scream about this here can relax, take a walk, take a note…

https://www.asco.org/news-initiatives/policy-news-analysis/statement-HHS-revision-black-box-warning

More projection.

Anyone reading this thread today will not see the unhinged posts from HRT boosters that threatened physical violence and fantasized about the death of posters who questioned RFK Jr or baseless claims about HRT. The unhinged comments were deleted and now the nutjob(s) are pretending to play victim.

So you can’t talk about the topic at all - the black box warning. That’s the topic, that’s what’s addressed by the oncology professional society as I linked.

So — what the issue again? Is “projection” your new favorite word? Why is another woman’s prescribed use of medication your issue or business or problem, if you do not in fact care whether cancer specialists do or do not have a generalized concern about HRT use?

Projection seems to be your new favorite hobby.

We were discussing RFK, etc until the nutters went off on their persecution complex. As you’ve been told countless times, troll, literally no one GAF if you take HRT.

You’re not making sense. Do you want to discuss the black box issue or not? Do you need to keep swearing to settle down, friend?

Do you want to discuss whether or not you have more expertise than oncologists regarding the black box warning?

I have more expertise than RFK and Marty Makary.

My dog has more expertise.

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Anonymous wrote:What is so weird about this thread is that it is not reflective of what any of the medical experts are saying.

While there are doctors out there screaming that most women should consider HRT, I don’t know of any that are saying it’s not safe and we should go back to 25 years ago. People like Jen Gunter are annoyed that the benefits are overstated, but she has come out and said she thinks FDA black box removal is correct. I’ve read her book The Menopause Manifesto and she clearly supports HRT. What she doesn’t like is the wellness people who also trying to sell supplements and overstate the benefits. But I haven’t seen any credible doctor Say that we need to go back to 25 years ago when there was a chilling effect on HRT.

There are clearly individual doctors who are not comfortable prescribing it to their patients but the researchers and ones on the panels and making the rounds are not saying this so it’s really curious to me why a group of women on the thread really seems so anti-HRT when the medical experts while they may disagree on overall risk and benefits, are not anti-HRT. Some of you seem angry than any women would consider it or being offered it.

Seems like you misread this thread. I don't recall any comments being anti-HRT, just anti-misinformation.

There are currently two threads on HRT and both of them get nasty. One person asks oh haven’t you heard any ailment past 40 has to be treated with hormones? I’m sure there are well intended posters here who are against misinformation but there’s a ton of Snark on this thread and the other one.

Give me a break that people are calling out misinformation. People are being rude and they’re definitely seems to be a lot of hostility whenever this topic comes up if women are choosing hormones. There’s also another thread that women are avoiding this topic with their friends because it’s so heated.

I’ve been active on both threads and there was only one poster who was out of control, and that was the “pro-HRT”
lady saying someone she disagreed with should be assaulted with a bag of citrus fruit.

You’re a liar.

maybe the posts got deleted but there were some very deranged ones.

Why can no one who is so against HRT have a conversation that isn’t nasty? You all stay on these threads coming in with attacks and sneering about getting medical advice from social media even when people explain they haven’t. It’s every thread. Why do you do this? Are you doctors or oncologists?

What is the primary issue you have with other women consulting with their own physicians?

I think they feel like they are more virtuous, superior beings and must school us in any way possible.

But sorry, crazy person who is mad I take HRT. It helped ME. No amount of you posting here changes that I was in pain one year ago and that pain is gone. I wasn’t sleeping one year ago and now I do.

Maybe invest some energy into positive action instead of being a jerk here. What goes around, comes around. You’re setting yourself up for the itchiest ears and 3 AM wake-ups with the bad attitude.

Nobody GAF that you personally take HRT. Maybe you need to reflect a little if you are taking general commentary and discussion of the (real) risks of HRT as a personal insult.

Why do you - not a doctor - think that you have any cause to GAF about what a woman does on the advice of her doctor? You can’t answer that. Why?

That is literally what I said. I don’t GAF about what you personally do.

No. You’re so dishonest. You are going after her so intensely. Why? She is presenting her own life. She is not taking anything too personally - she is explaining her own path to using this medication. I’m not her, though for sure you’ll flip and say some bullshit. What is the issue you have with women discussing their decision to use HRT, particularly where they’re well informed regarding which symptoms can realistically be treated? Particularly since almost anyone on it and reading here has obviously gotten the rx well before Makary and the black box issue.

What exactly is your problem?

Side effect of HRT: poor reading comprehension

DP

You’re both such truly disgusting aholes.

Again - what’s the problem with women using HRT? What case do you mistakenly think you’re making with your trolling?

You are trolling and getting it back in return. That’s how it works.

I’m not trolling. Please grow up.

It’s entirely legitimate to ask why you and yours keep attacking women who use HRT as ill informed or getting advice from SM. Why?

Nobody is attacking you personally. We are having a discussion about the risks and benefits of HRT, whether the RFK FDA is trustworthy.

+1

No one is attacking you, FFS.

The hysterics seem forced at this point.

You need to calm down and try to be a bit less agitated and nasty. There are no “hysterics.” There is discussion by women prescribed a regimen well before RFK was put into this position, using these same medications, and explaining what their physicians thought of the current conversations about the old WHI study.

You’re still totally unable to engage with the question as to why it concerns you when other women get prescribed HRT. Keep having your fit.

DP. There seems to be a discussion on what the studies actually say about the use HRT versus anecdotal usage. Some people here seem to think that only the folks being prescribed HRT can participate and that anything is agitated and nasty. If that’s your view, you should consider why you are here posting and not on a forum that restricts participation.

If you’re going to quote me, feel free to be responsive instead of passive-aggressive. Please feel free to highlight where I or anyone said not everyone can participate. Go on. How am I or anyone else here stopping any participation?

So. What’s the issue with women pointing out that their medication was prescribed before most anyone here had heard of Makary? If the majority of us on HRT began using these medications before 1/22/2025, which would seem likely, are we part of whatever problem you or others have? If we’re under 60, how are we part of the terrible issue presented upthread (not saying by you) of women being pressured to use these scrips by Makary et al in order to….what? Remain quasi-f—kable for men?

What’s the issue with other women seeing their trained doctors for symptom relief? It’s not been answered, so I will persist in asking. If you have a problem with that, it’s a you thing.

Do you understand that this is a conversation about the risks and benefits of HRT and the fact that the FDA removed the warning?

I posted the link to the ASCO statement regarding the warning and yet not one person is discussing that. You and the other person - assuming a second poster- keep stirring and snapping and…not having a single thing to say about the expert discussion of the removal of the warning.

It’s page 19. We’ve discussed it already.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone new to this thread - read from the beginning, and see how posters using HRT, in support of others using it as prescribed, discuss this issue. The posters objecting (rudely, nastily, trying desperately to provoke a reportable response) show up there, too, asserting among other things, that it would have been better for Melania Trump to make this announcement “woman to woman,” making unsupported by cites and statistics and studies generalized claims regarding all cancers, and being generally shitty and offering links to eye doctors and yet somehow failing to link to scientific commentary about this actual topic.

Here’s a relevant link from ASCO - saying that systemic HRT is contraindicated for women with a history of estrogen-responsive cancers. There is no nastiness or attempt to scare other women away. Perhaps the women determined to scream about this here can relax, take a walk, take a note…

https://www.asco.org/news-initiatives/policy-news-analysis/statement-HHS-revision-black-box-warning

More projection.

Anyone reading this thread today will not see the unhinged posts from HRT boosters that threatened physical violence and fantasized about the death of posters who questioned RFK Jr or baseless claims about HRT. The unhinged comments were deleted and now the nutjob(s) are pretending to play victim.

So you can’t talk about the topic at all - the black box warning. That’s the topic, that’s what’s addressed by the oncology professional society as I linked.

So — what the issue again? Is “projection” your new favorite word? Why is another woman’s prescribed use of medication your issue or business or problem, if you do not in fact care whether cancer specialists do or do not have a generalized concern about HRT use?

Projection seems to be your new favorite hobby.

We were discussing RFK, etc until the nutters went off on their persecution complex. As you’ve been told countless times, troll, literally no one GAF if you take HRT.

You’re not making sense. Do you want to discuss the black box issue or not? Do you need to keep swearing to settle down, friend?

Do you want to discuss whether or not you have more expertise than oncologists regarding the black box warning?

Happy to move on from the delusions of persecution. 👍