Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.


You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.


You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?


Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.


It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.


Child can go with the parents.


not if they're US citizens


Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.


Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?


Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?
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Anonymous wrote:c-17 Globmaster III can carry and 102 troops with gear. We have about 223.

Pp above is creatively designing a slave ship type bunk system for said aircraft. We will watch anxiously as her creative slave ship
bunk design develops.

If there’s anyone that can design a good slave ship, it’s pp.
you are taking about my brilliant idea. Thanks for the facts. We can transport over 200k a day with existing equipment. Fantastic! How many does project 2025 want to deport? Might be doable within that year!


Is Israel building housing for the millions of illegal immigrants they are stepping up and protecting?

C17’s don’t need a runway to land.
. Stop mentioning Israel! We don’t need them for deportation.


op said Jewish people are going to protect illegal immigrants from the death camps.


Whomever posted that is a moron. You know you don’t have to engage with morons, right? Then again, I’m engaging with you, so….
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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.


You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.


You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?


Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.


It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.


Child can go with the parents.


not if they're US citizens


Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.


Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?


Quite a few are left behind. More than the number being deported. Is it a sad situation? Sure. But not every sad situation is for the government to resolve. The parents are fully aware of this dilemma before procreating and they do it anyway. Whose problem is it? Theirs.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s not realistic because the country people are getting deported to has to agree to take them back.

Plenty of countries like Cambodia, China, Cuba, Eritrea, Hong Kong, India, Iran, Iraq, Laos, Pakistan and Russia and Venezuela won’t take back deported citizens and/or frequently pause accepting their deported citizens. There are over 100,000 people the US is waiting to deport but their countries won’t take them.



We have bases and territories and islands all over the world - Guantanamo Bay, Guam, the Marshall Islands, the Aleutian Islands. It would be pretty simple to house illegal migrants and rejected asylum seekers there until their home countries take them back. Australia does something similar on the island of Nauru. It's a very effective deterrent to illegal migrants with no hope of being granted asylum.


And then we have to pay for that. For millions of people?
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Anonymous wrote:There’s no reasoning with MAGA on this topic. No amount of linked articles, fact-checking, or earnest pleas help. They are not interested in the details of mass deportation and what it would look like in practice. The topic of illegal immigration sets them off at a deep and primal level and they can’t and don’t want to think straight on the matter. If mass deportation ever happens, they will derive pleasure from the images they see in the news.


says the poster who wants to kill unborn babies as she’s judged them to be unproductive and violent before they are even born.

Exactly.


I take it you didn't live in a city engulfed in shootings,death and crack in the 1980s (not DC in my case) and it shows. Just wait about 20 years in Texas and see what happens there. It's not going to be pretty.


It’s a paradise now? How are you defending illegal immigration but sentencing unborn babies to death?


Exactly nobody is defending illegal immigration on here. The debate is what to do about it. Some people want posse comitstus suspended and shock troops grabbing everyone with an accent. Some people find that problematic.

And yes, as a woman I feel pretty strongly that I should not be forced to carry a rape baby to term. I can decide myself what is best for my family, and take it up with my God if I believe in one. Although at 7 or 8 weeks. It’s not a baby. And I’m gravely that when I started to hemorrhage from a ruptured ectopic pregnancy, I was provided the medical care that saved my life and allowed me to parent the two kids I have.

Plus, abortion is a different thread. I think there is one that’s about 400 pages long. Go debate there and stop off tracking here.


“Exactly nobody is defending illegal immigration on here. The debate is what to do about it. Some people want posse comitstus suspended and shock troops grabbing everyone with an accent. Some people find that problematic.“

Citation?
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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.


You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.


You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?


Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.


It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.


Child can go with the parents.


Can. But the parent does not have to take them. And if they are going back to extreme poverty, gangs, drug cartels and rapes of their 11 year olds, they may choose not to because the child is safer here, even in foster care. Many parents choose to for these reasons. And legally, they can because these American citizen kids can’t be deported.

MAGA likes to make these sweeping, it’s easy statements. Detain them (11 million people?). Deport the kids (illegal and good luck changing the constitution).

These are complicated problems, some of which have solutions that are classified as very bad vs even worse. If it was as easy as “send the kids too” of “mass deportation,” don’t you think someone would have done it? Like, say, your Orange idol when he was POTUS?


El Salvador is now safer than the US. We just need to roll out a "Bukele in every pot" style program.


If only we had a strong leader who would suspend human rights and imprison anyone he wanted without due process. If only we had a leader who would dismantle the judiciary and bend it to his will. If only we had a leader who declared a state of emergency, suspended constitutional rights, arrested tens of thousands of people--many without proof--and committed widespread human rights violations, including arbitrary arrests, enforced disappearances, and torture. One can dream.... /s
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Anonymous wrote:c-17 Globmaster III can carry and 102 troops with gear. We have about 223.

Pp above is creatively designing a slave ship type bunk system for said aircraft. We will watch anxiously as her creative slave ship
bunk design develops.

If there’s anyone that can design a good slave ship, it’s pp.
you are taking about my brilliant idea. Thanks for the facts. We can transport over 200k a day with existing equipment. Fantastic! How many does project 2025 want to deport? Might be doable within that year!


Is Israel building housing for the millions of illegal immigrants they are stepping up and protecting?

C17’s don’t need a runway to land.
. Stop mentioning Israel! We don’t need them for deportation.


op said Jewish people are going to protect illegal immigrants from the death camps.


Whomever posted that is a moron. You know you don’t have to engage with morons, right? Then again, I’m engaging with you, so….


“Jewish organizations see parallels and are alarmed.

“Three Jewish organizations dealing with immigration and community relations said they were alarmed by the Republican Party’s plans to launch mass deportations, saying the policy is steeped in a racist conspiracy theory that at times has veered into antisemitism.”

A manifesto on replacement theory’: GOP mass deportation plan alarms Jewish groups
https://www.timesofisrael...roups/amp/“
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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.


You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.


You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?


Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.


It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.


Child can go with the parents.


not if they're US citizens


Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.


Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?


Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?


You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.
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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.


You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.


You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?


Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.


It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.


Child can go with the parents.


not if they're US citizens


Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.


Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?


Quite a few are left behind. More than the number being deported. Is it a sad situation? Sure. But not every sad situation is for the government to resolve. The parents are fully aware of this dilemma before procreating and they do it anyway. Whose problem is it? Theirs.


Except if a child is left behind, it is by a definition a problem the government has to solve. Why do you think DCFS exists? Or are you letting a 4 year old wander around with not adult responsible for them? Because, spoiler alert, that ends really badly for everyone.
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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.


You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.


You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?


Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.


It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.


Child can go with the parents.


not if they're US citizens


Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.


Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?


Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?


You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.


The illegal immigrants who are abandoning their children in the US are causing this problem. They made choices they are forcing their innocent children to live with. Quit blaming the American taxpayer for this problem. We don’t create it- we have to live with it and pay for it, though. That’s why it needs to stop. I am amazed how illegal immigrants break the law, the government is complicit, and the American taxpayer is blamed. It’s not our fault. Blame the people causing this massive problem.
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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.


You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.


You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?


Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.


It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.


Child can go with the parents.


Can. But the parent does not have to take them. And if they are going back to extreme poverty, gangs, drug cartels and rapes of their 11 year olds, they may choose not to because the child is safer here, even in foster care. Many parents choose to for these reasons. And legally, they can because these American citizen kids can’t be deported.

MAGA likes to make these sweeping, it’s easy statements. Detain them (11 million people?). Deport the kids (illegal and good luck changing the constitution).

These are complicated problems, some of which have solutions that are classified as very bad vs even worse. If it was as easy as “send the kids too” of “mass deportation,” don’t you think someone would have done it? Like, say, your Orange idol when he was POTUS?


El Salvador is now safer than the US. We just need to roll out a "Bukele in every pot" style program.

I have been trying to understand why El Salvador continues to have Temporary Protective Status (TPS) under the USCIS. It makes no sense and it has been extended. Basically the US government has given automatic green card status to El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua once they touch USA soil. Why?
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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.


You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.


You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?


Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.


It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.


Child can go with the parents.


not if they're US citizens


Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.


Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?


Quite a few are left behind. More than the number being deported. Is it a sad situation? Sure. But not every sad situation is for the government to resolve. The parents are fully aware of this dilemma before procreating and they do it anyway. Whose problem is it? Theirs.


Except if a child is left behind, it is by a definition a problem the government has to solve. Why do you think DCFS exists? Or are you letting a 4 year old wander around with not adult responsible for them? Because, spoiler alert, that ends really badly for everyone.


Spoiler alert: the parents are letting their 4 year old wander around with no responsible adult caring for them.

How is pp causing that situation?
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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.


You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.


You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?


Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.


It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.


Child can go with the parents.


not if they're US citizens


Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.


Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?


Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?


You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.


The government has already made its position on the matter known: it is better to have traumatized kids in the system than to let undocumented parents of a US born child stay in violation of current immigration laws. This is the position of the US government because having a minor US born child is not a bar to deportation.

I mean I don't see you arguing that incarceration sentences for convicted criminals ought to be canceled if they have minor children (because children of criminals do end up in the foster system). Yes it is very sad to separate children from parents; however, there are decisions parents make that put them onto this path. You really cannot cry wolf after the fact because these laws are not a surprise to anyone.
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