URMs Feeling Pressure to Prove Themselves

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard. My husband and I are URM and people have always questioned the schools we went to, ivy and top 20. It almost feels like you have to work even harder to prove that you achieved anything on merit. As much assume affirmative action, we were both top of our respective high school class and he was top of his college class (phi beta kappa) before going to ivy law school with multiple ECs and national awards etc. Yet, people always assume that we only got there bc of affirmative action. Now, even in biglaw, it still doesn’t end. Other partners and associates can graduate from random place whereas every URM has to be from a better law school to be at the same firm. It never ends.

If you did not benefit from affirmative action along the way, you are part of a very, very small cohort. Their assumptions will be correct for the vast majority of URMs in college. It is simple statistics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

But outgunning and stealing all the land from the natives entitles you to all the land? Doesn't the land belong "in the hands of people who have lived there for generations"? When are you returning it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

Yikes! Well, I am glad my kid will attend a (highly regarded) public university and not have to mingle with your offspring!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

Wow - so does the date at which your family showed up in the US determine the cut off date for which citizens get to be real citizens or fake citizens? What if the cutoff date is the Mayflower landing and only one side of your family goes back that far, do you get partial rights? How about Asian American immigrants who have intermarried with people with Native American heritage? What is their status?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

First of all, AA is going to be replaced by DEI - so don't worry your head about Asians taking over. Also, if Asians want US colleges to be "only Asian only" why not attend school in Asia?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

Wow - so does the date at which your family showed up in the US determine the cut off date for which citizens get to be real citizens or fake citizens? What if the cutoff date is the Mayflower landing and only one side of your family goes back that far, do you get partial rights? How about Asian American immigrants who have intermarried with people with Native American heritage? What is their status?

You know Asians are not the first First Generation (either in the US, or college students) applying to US colleges right now, don't you? What gives you the right to think you are the only ones who "deserve" an education, at a specific school? Look, you moved from one crowded continent to another, and the US is just getting more crowded - AND the US is not a Communist Society - so you are just going to have to adapt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

oh please, this is like saying renters should have no say about public schools because they don't pay property taxes.

Also, did you know that for generations, Asian Americans couldn't hold property or become citizens?

Those spots don't "belong" to anyone because universities have the right to curate whatever student body they want, right? Also, think about first gen.. universities like first gen, and that includes non URM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

So, the universities should only admit legacies, and people should be able to buy their way into them?

Such a dumbf*ck comment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

First of all, AA is going to be replaced by DEI - so don't worry your head about Asians taking over. Also, if Asians want US colleges to be "only Asian only" why not attend school in Asia?

dp.. no one said they only *wanted* to go university that was all Asian, whether that becomes the case due to no affirmative action or not.

Think about caltech, high number of Asian. Are you telling me that a URM kid who is brilliant in STEM wouldn't apply to caltech because there are "too many Asians"? How about "too many whites"? Would that be a problem?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

Wow - so does the date at which your family showed up in the US determine the cut off date for which citizens get to be real citizens or fake citizens? What if the cutoff date is the Mayflower landing and only one side of your family goes back that far, do you get partial rights? How about Asian American immigrants who have intermarried with people with Native American heritage? What is their status?

You know Asians are not the first First Generation (either in the US, or college students) applying to US colleges right now, don't you? What gives you the right to think you are the only ones who "deserve" an education, at a specific school? Look, you moved from one crowded continent to another, and the US is just getting more crowded - AND the US is not a Communist Society - so you are just going to have to adapt.

Hmm.. That's what I thought.. but why do we follow communist practices when it comes to college admissions? Should they be considered communist practices or just corrupt practices?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

Wow - so does the date at which your family showed up in the US determine the cut off date for which citizens get to be real citizens or fake citizens? What if the cutoff date is the Mayflower landing and only one side of your family goes back that far, do you get partial rights? How about Asian American immigrants who have intermarried with people with Native American heritage? What is their status?

You know Asians are not the first First Generation (either in the US, or college students) applying to US colleges right now, don't you? What gives you the right to think you are the only ones who "deserve" an education, at a specific school? Look, you moved from one crowded continent to another, and the US is just getting more crowded - AND the US is not a Communist Society - so you are just going to have to adapt.

Hmm.. That's what I thought.. but why do we follow communist practices when it comes to college admissions? Should they be considered communist practices or just corrupt practices?

Ok, Karen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

Wow - so does the date at which your family showed up in the US determine the cut off date for which citizens get to be real citizens or fake citizens? What if the cutoff date is the Mayflower landing and only one side of your family goes back that far, do you get partial rights? How about Asian American immigrants who have intermarried with people with Native American heritage? What is their status?

You know Asians are not the first First Generation (either in the US, or college students) applying to US colleges right now, don't you? What gives you the right to think you are the only ones who "deserve" an education, at a specific school? Look, you moved from one crowded continent to another, and the US is just getting more crowded - AND the US is not a Communist Society - so you are just going to have to adapt.

Who has said asians are the only ones who "deserve" an education? Where are you getting this stuff from?

No - I didn't move from one crowded continent to another. My parents moved before I was born. My kids who are the ones applying to school have no real connection with Asia. What does my children's history have to do with their qualifications to a spot in a college? I am just not seeing the connection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

But outgunning and stealing all the land from the natives entitles you to all the land? Doesn't the land belong "in the hands of people who have lived there for generations"? When are you returning it?

Stop. Lots of us didn't "steal" anything. My family came from Europe and So. America long after anything was stolen from anyone. The plight of Native Americans is real and up for discussion how to make it right. This is an absurd non-sequitur from that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Affirmative Action is removed, I worry White families might continue to feel their kids will be at a disadvantage. Going by scores alone, most elite schools will be filled with Asian American students.

Curious why this is a worry. Because your assumption that these institutions should belong to white hands? That's the crux of all this. Someone is taking something from White kids. I would love 10 years of Asian only admits to see how that shakes out in society - for so many reasons!

Well, yes, since the vast majority of Asians have only lived in this country for the last couple of decades. Out-reproducing the United States and then moving here for our excellent education, doesn't entitle you to all of the spots at top schools. So yes, those spots do belong in the hands of people who have funded them for generations.

But outgunning and stealing all the land from the natives entitles you to all the land? Doesn't the land belong "in the hands of people who have lived there for generations"? When are you returning it?

"The land" is nothing. "The land" is just dirt with some buildings on it. "The land" is not Harvard. The natives did not build Harvard or any other university, and therefore it is pointless to talk about "returning it" to them.