Admitting you are Asian (college apps)

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Anonymous wrote:Have you all even looked at the way Harvard discriminated against Asians? It was just on test scores. The 'holistic' process docked Asian students because they probably were 'going to study too much', weren't funny, were quiet, or filled any sort of stereotypical Asian personality. Basically, Asians are penalized for probably going to 'not being able to keep it real'.

It is racist discrimination, period. That's why I'd never send my kind to a 2nd tier university like Harvard.

That’s great! Another kid will happily take their spot. There are a lot of Asian kids at Harvard ( and at all elite universities) so your kid will not be missed. Some of the alumni comments may be racist, some may be sexist, some may be homophobic but they actually have a great mixture of happy students that do well in life. Harvard will be just fine and has done a great job of picking their class. Unfortunately some kids of every race and sex don’t get in. Glad you don’t want your kid to go and hope some of these bitter Asian parents are able to move on. Everyone else whose kid does not get in celebrates where they do without this bitterness. It’s not a right based on one particular gpa, test or activity. Sometimes kids get rejected.

Sometimes kids get rejected. Sometimes kids get rejected because of their race. The latter is not ok and it’s happening to Asians at elite universities on a daily basis. But as long as Spencer and Kimberly continue to get in on their legacy preferences, schools are happy to tout their “holistic” admissions.

Again, it’s not discrimination because Harvard can have any admission system the institution seems appropriate. It was clear that Harvard and all the other elite school were going to trash the SAT from the point the suit was filed. Now years later it’s being faxed out. Schools are not like a math equation and neither is life. You can’t make a company make you CEO you can sue and maybe get a settlement but no matter how unfair it may be you won’t get to be the CEO if you are unfairly passed over because it’s not a right. Similarly you don’t have a right to go to any college you can sue but if you win you don’t get admitted. They simply change the standard. So instead of being bitter apply to a lot of schools and be happy where your smart kid attends. If the system changes it will always or when the system changes there will always be ways for Rich kids to gain admission and there will always be a lot of qualified kids that just don’t get admitted. That is kind of how life is, you don’t always win.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have you all even looked at the way Harvard discriminated against Asians? It was just on test scores. The 'holistic' process docked Asian students because they probably were 'going to study too much', weren't funny, were quiet, or filled any sort of stereotypical Asian personality. Basically, Asians are penalized for probably going to 'not being able to keep it real'.

It is racist discrimination, period. That's why I'd never send my kind to a 2nd tier university like Harvard.

That’s great! Another kid will happily take their spot. There are a lot of Asian kids at Harvard ( and at all elite universities) so your kid will not be missed. Some of the alumni comments may be racist, some may be sexist, some may be homophobic but they actually have a great mixture of happy students that do well in life. Harvard will be just fine and has done a great job of picking their class. Unfortunately some kids of every race and sex don’t get in. Glad you don’t want your kid to go and hope some of these bitter Asian parents are able to move on. Everyone else whose kid does not get in celebrates where they do without this bitterness. It’s not a right based on one particular gpa, test or activity. Sometimes kids get rejected.

Sometimes kids get rejected. Sometimes kids get rejected because of their race. The latter is not ok and it’s happening to Asians at elite universities on a daily basis. But as long as Spencer and Kimberly continue to get in on their legacy preferences, schools are happy to tout their “holistic” admissions.

Again, it’s not discrimination because Harvard can have any admission system the institution seems appropriate. It was clear that Harvard and all the other elite school were going to trash the SAT from the point the suit was filed. Now years later it’s being faxed out. Schools are not like a math equation and neither is life. You can’t make a company make you CEO you can sue and maybe get a settlement but no matter how unfair it may be you won’t get to be the CEO if you are unfairly passed over because it’s not a right. Similarly you don’t have a right to go to any college you can sue but if you win you don’t get admitted. They simply change the standard. So instead of being bitter apply to a lot of schools and be happy where your smart kid attends. If the system changes it will always or when the system changes there will always be ways for Rich kids to gain admission and there will always be a lot of qualified kids that just don’t get admitted. That is kind of how life is, you don’t always win.

Public universities can’t just “admit whomever seems appropriate.” Harvard receives $$$$ public grants and is non-profit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have you all even looked at the way Harvard discriminated against Asians? It was just on test scores. The 'holistic' process docked Asian students because they probably were 'going to study too much', weren't funny, were quiet, or filled any sort of stereotypical Asian personality. Basically, Asians are penalized for probably going to 'not being able to keep it real'.

It is racist discrimination, period. That's why I'd never send my kind to a 2nd tier university like Harvard.

If I remember correctly what was especially disturbing was that in many instances the Asian candidates got rave reviews from the alumni interviewers as being full of personality but the admission committee would still give these students a lower ranking on personality. That is some obvious bias and stereotyping at play. There is only one minority which is apparently fair game for this treatment. As I mentioned in a previous post as a parent I worry about young Asian kids internalizing these negative views of their character and personality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have you all even looked at the way Harvard discriminated against Asians? It was just on test scores. The 'holistic' process docked Asian students because they probably were 'going to study too much', weren't funny, were quiet, or filled any sort of stereotypical Asian personality. Basically, Asians are penalized for probably going to 'not being able to keep it real'.

It is racist discrimination, period. That's why I'd never send my kind to a 2nd tier university like Harvard.

That’s great! Another kid will happily take their spot. There are a lot of Asian kids at Harvard ( and at all elite universities) so your kid will not be missed. Some of the alumni comments may be racist, some may be sexist, some may be homophobic but they actually have a great mixture of happy students that do well in life. Harvard will be just fine and has done a great job of picking their class. Unfortunately some kids of every race and sex don’t get in. Glad you don’t want your kid to go and hope some of these bitter Asian parents are able to move on. Everyone else whose kid does not get in celebrates where they do without this bitterness. It’s not a right based on one particular gpa, test or activity. Sometimes kids get rejected.

Sometimes kids get rejected. Sometimes kids get rejected because of their race. The latter is not ok and it’s happening to Asians at elite universities on a daily basis. But as long as Spencer and Kimberly continue to get in on their legacy preferences, schools are happy to tout their “holistic” admissions.

Again, it’s not discrimination because Harvard can have any admission system the institution seems appropriate. It was clear that Harvard and all the other elite school were going to trash the SAT from the point the suit was filed. Now years later it’s being faxed out. Schools are not like a math equation and neither is life. You can’t make a company make you CEO you can sue and maybe get a settlement but no matter how unfair it may be you won’t get to be the CEO if you are unfairly passed over because it’s not a right. Similarly you don’t have a right to go to any college you can sue but if you win you don’t get admitted. They simply change the standard. So instead of being bitter apply to a lot of schools and be happy where your smart kid attends. If the system changes it will always or when the system changes there will always be ways for Rich kids to gain admission and there will always be a lot of qualified kids that just don’t get admitted. That is kind of how life is, you don’t always win.

That’s is the logic for discrimination against Harvard URMs in the job market. Stats or specs aren’t all that, it’s a corporate culture, corporate fit, etc. Corporations and life are not like a math equation... The more you talk, the more ammo you are giving to those in position to discriminate against Harvard URMs. Harvard URMs don’t do all that great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have you all even looked at the way Harvard discriminated against Asians? It was just on test scores. The 'holistic' process docked Asian students because they probably were 'going to study too much', weren't funny, were quiet, or filled any sort of stereotypical Asian personality. Basically, Asians are penalized for probably going to 'not being able to keep it real'.

It is racist discrimination, period. That's why I'd never send my kind to a 2nd tier university like Harvard.

That’s great! Another kid will happily take their spot. There are a lot of Asian kids at Harvard ( and at all elite universities) so your kid will not be missed. Some of the alumni comments may be racist, some may be sexist, some may be homophobic but they actually have a great mixture of happy students that do well in life. Harvard will be just fine and has done a great job of picking their class. Unfortunately some kids of every race and sex don’t get in. Glad you don’t want your kid to go and hope some of these bitter Asian parents are able to move on. Everyone else whose kid does not get in celebrates where they do without this bitterness. It’s not a right based on one particular gpa, test or activity. Sometimes kids get rejected.

Sometimes kids get rejected. Sometimes kids get rejected because of their race. The latter is not ok and it’s happening to Asians at elite universities on a daily basis. But as long as Spencer and Kimberly continue to get in on their legacy preferences, schools are happy to tout their “holistic” admissions.

Again, it’s not discrimination because Harvard can have any admission system the institution seems appropriate. It was clear that Harvard and all the other elite school were going to trash the SAT from the point the suit was filed. Now years later it’s being faxed out. Schools are not like a math equation and neither is life. You can’t make a company make you CEO you can sue and maybe get a settlement but no matter how unfair it may be you won’t get to be the CEO if you are unfairly passed over because it’s not a right. Similarly you don’t have a right to go to any college you can sue but if you win you don’t get admitted. They simply change the standard. So instead of being bitter apply to a lot of schools and be happy where your smart kid attends. If the system changes it will always or when the system changes there will always be ways for Rich kids to gain admission and there will always be a lot of qualified kids that just don’t get admitted. That is kind of how life is, you don’t always win.

Public universities can’t just “admit whomever seems appropriate.” Harvard receives $$$$ public grants and is non-profit

It not discrimination, that is what the court ruled. Maybe you can change the laws in the future. In any event, there will be a work so that the school can admit the student they want. Maybe you need to create Asian school like blacks have Black schools??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have you all even looked at the way Harvard discriminated against Asians? It was just on test scores. The 'holistic' process docked Asian students because they probably were 'going to study too much', weren't funny, were quiet, or filled any sort of stereotypical Asian personality. Basically, Asians are penalized for probably going to 'not being able to keep it real'.

It is racist discrimination, period. That's why I'd never send my kind to a 2nd tier university like Harvard.

That’s great! Another kid will happily take their spot. There are a lot of Asian kids at Harvard ( and at all elite universities) so your kid will not be missed. Some of the alumni comments may be racist, some may be sexist, some may be homophobic but they actually have a great mixture of happy students that do well in life. Harvard will be just fine and has done a great job of picking their class. Unfortunately some kids of every race and sex don’t get in. Glad you don’t want your kid to go and hope some of these bitter Asian parents are able to move on. Everyone else whose kid does not get in celebrates where they do without this bitterness. It’s not a right based on one particular gpa, test or activity. Sometimes kids get rejected.

Sometimes kids get rejected. Sometimes kids get rejected because of their race. The latter is not ok and it’s happening to Asians at elite universities on a daily basis. But as long as Spencer and Kimberly continue to get in on their legacy preferences, schools are happy to tout their “holistic” admissions.

Again, it’s not discrimination because Harvard can have any admission system the institution seems appropriate. It was clear that Harvard and all the other elite school were going to trash the SAT from the point the suit was filed. Now years later it’s being faxed out. Schools are not like a math equation and neither is life. You can’t make a company make you CEO you can sue and maybe get a settlement but no matter how unfair it may be you won’t get to be the CEO if you are unfairly passed over because it’s not a right. Similarly you don’t have a right to go to any college you can sue but if you win you don’t get admitted. They simply change the standard. So instead of being bitter apply to a lot of schools and be happy where your smart kid attends. If the system changes it will always or when the system changes there will always be ways for Rich kids to gain admission and there will always be a lot of qualified kids that just don’t get admitted. That is kind of how life is, you don’t always win.

Basing admissions is quite literally racial discrimination.

And no, Harvard doesn't get to racially discriminate, especially considering the absurd amount of tax money it receives from the federal government for research grants and student loans.

Now, if it wants to reject all the federal research grants that allows it to maintain its prestige through research, they can go ahead and accept as many useless legacies and donor kids as they want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have you all even looked at the way Harvard discriminated against Asians? It was just on test scores. The 'holistic' process docked Asian students because they probably were 'going to study too much', weren't funny, were quiet, or filled any sort of stereotypical Asian personality. Basically, Asians are penalized for probably going to 'not being able to keep it real'.

It is racist discrimination, period. That's why I'd never send my kind to a 2nd tier university like Harvard.

That’s great! Another kid will happily take their spot. There are a lot of Asian kids at Harvard ( and at all elite universities) so your kid will not be missed. Some of the alumni comments may be racist, some may be sexist, some may be homophobic but they actually have a great mixture of happy students that do well in life. Harvard will be just fine and has done a great job of picking their class. Unfortunately some kids of every race and sex don’t get in. Glad you don’t want your kid to go and hope some of these bitter Asian parents are able to move on. Everyone else whose kid does not get in celebrates where they do without this bitterness. It’s not a right based on one particular gpa, test or activity. Sometimes kids get rejected.

Sometimes kids get rejected. Sometimes kids get rejected because of their race. The latter is not ok and it’s happening to Asians at elite universities on a daily basis. But as long as Spencer and Kimberly continue to get in on their legacy preferences, schools are happy to tout their “holistic” admissions.

Again, it’s not discrimination because Harvard can have any admission system the institution seems appropriate. It was clear that Harvard and all the other elite school were going to trash the SAT from the point the suit was filed. Now years later it’s being faxed out. Schools are not like a math equation and neither is life. You can’t make a company make you CEO you can sue and maybe get a settlement but no matter how unfair it may be you won’t get to be the CEO if you are unfairly passed over because it’s not a right. Similarly you don’t have a right to go to any college you can sue but if you win you don’t get admitted. They simply change the standard. So instead of being bitter apply to a lot of schools and be happy where your smart kid attends. If the system changes it will always or when the system changes there will always be ways for Rich kids to gain admission and there will always be a lot of qualified kids that just don’t get admitted. That is kind of how life is, you don’t always win.

Public universities can’t just “admit whomever seems appropriate.” Harvard receives $$$$ public grants and is non-profit

It not discrimination, that is what the court ruled. Maybe you can change the laws in the future. In any event, there will be a work so that the school can admit the student they want. Maybe you need to create Asian school like blacks have Black schools??

It's quite literally racial discrimination by definition. Now, if you don't understand the definition of basic words, you may have a low IQ

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you all even looked at the way Harvard discriminated against Asians? It was just on test scores. The 'holistic' process docked Asian students because they probably were 'going to study too much', weren't funny, were quiet, or filled any sort of stereotypical Asian personality. Basically, Asians are penalized for probably going to 'not being able to keep it real'.

It is racist discrimination, period. That's why I'd never send my kind to a 2nd tier university like Harvard.

That’s great! Another kid will happily take their spot. There are a lot of Asian kids at Harvard ( and at all elite universities) so your kid will not be missed. Some of the alumni comments may be racist, some may be sexist, some may be homophobic but they actually have a great mixture of happy students that do well in life. Harvard will be just fine and has done a great job of picking their class. Unfortunately some kids of every race and sex don’t get in. Glad you don’t want your kid to go and hope some of these bitter Asian parents are able to move on. Everyone else whose kid does not get in celebrates where they do without this bitterness. It’s not a right based on one particular gpa, test or activity. Sometimes kids get rejected.

Sometimes kids get rejected. Sometimes kids get rejected because of their race. The latter is not ok and it’s happening to Asians at elite universities on a daily basis. But as long as Spencer and Kimberly continue to get in on their legacy preferences, schools are happy to tout their “holistic” admissions.

Again, it’s not discrimination because Harvard can have any admission system the institution seems appropriate. It was clear that Harvard and all the other elite school were going to trash the SAT from the point the suit was filed. Now years later it’s being faxed out. Schools are not like a math equation and neither is life. You can’t make a company make you CEO you can sue and maybe get a settlement but no matter how unfair it may be you won’t get to be the CEO if you are unfairly passed over because it’s not a right. Similarly you don’t have a right to go to any college you can sue but if you win you don’t get admitted. They simply change the standard. So instead of being bitter apply to a lot of schools and be happy where your smart kid attends. If the system changes it will always or when the system changes there will always be ways for Rich kids to gain admission and there will always be a lot of qualified kids that just don’t get admitted. That is kind of how life is, you don’t always win.

That’s is the logic for discrimination against Harvard URMs in the job market. Stats or specs aren’t all that, it’s a corporate culture, corporate fit, etc. Corporations and life are not like a math equation... The more you talk, the more ammo you are giving to those in position to discriminate against Harvard URMs. Harvard URMs don’t do all that great.

That is fine. You keep saying that but your data is very old. Corporation hire blacks because it helps them make $$. It fits the corporate culture and bank account to have black employees. Most successful business people are not hired because of their college grades, most recent presidents beside the black guy were not even good students. I guess you work in some racist field and don’t have much experience in Corp America.
This entire bitter argument was started by a white guy and definitely will not help Asians. Are you an immigrant?

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Anonymous wrote:It's quite literally racial discrimination by definition. Now, if you don't understand the definition of basic words, you may have a low IQ

Yes. Some courts have determined that racial discrimination can be justified for certain reasons (e.g., promotion of diversity). It's always been recognized that it is in fact discrimination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have you all even looked at the way Harvard discriminated against Asians? It was just on test scores. The 'holistic' process docked Asian students because they probably were 'going to study too much', weren't funny, were quiet, or filled any sort of stereotypical Asian personality. Basically, Asians are penalized for probably going to 'not being able to keep it real'.

It is racist discrimination, period. That's why I'd never send my kind to a 2nd tier university like Harvard.

That’s great! Another kid will happily take their spot. There are a lot of Asian kids at Harvard ( and at all elite universities) so your kid will not be missed. Some of the alumni comments may be racist, some may be sexist, some may be homophobic but they actually have a great mixture of happy students that do well in life. Harvard will be just fine and has done a great job of picking their class. Unfortunately some kids of every race and sex don’t get in. Glad you don’t want your kid to go and hope some of these bitter Asian parents are able to move on. Everyone else whose kid does not get in celebrates where they do without this bitterness. It’s not a right based on one particular gpa, test or activity. Sometimes kids get rejected.

Sometimes kids get rejected. Sometimes kids get rejected because of their race. The latter is not ok and it’s happening to Asians at elite universities on a daily basis. But as long as Spencer and Kimberly continue to get in on their legacy preferences, schools are happy to tout their “holistic” admissions.

Again, it’s not discrimination because Harvard can have any admission system the institution seems appropriate. It was clear that Harvard and all the other elite school were going to trash the SAT from the point the suit was filed. Now years later it’s being faxed out. Schools are not like a math equation and neither is life. You can’t make a company make you CEO you can sue and maybe get a settlement but no matter how unfair it may be you won’t get to be the CEO if you are unfairly passed over because it’s not a right. Similarly you don’t have a right to go to any college you can sue but if you win you don’t get admitted. They simply change the standard. So instead of being bitter apply to a lot of schools and be happy where your smart kid attends. If the system changes it will always or when the system changes there will always be ways for Rich kids to gain admission and there will always be a lot of qualified kids that just don’t get admitted. That is kind of how life is, you don’t always win.

Public universities can’t just “admit whomever seems appropriate.” Harvard receives $$$$ public grants and is non-profit

It not discrimination, that is what the court ruled. Maybe you can change the laws in the future. In any event, there will be a work so that the school can admit the student they want. Maybe you need to create Asian school like blacks have Black schools??

It's quite literally racial discrimination by definition. Now, if you don't understand the definition of basic words, you may have a low IQ

It’s discrimination because Harvard is not all Asian? That is not what the court ruled. Maybe you can get a lobbyist and change the law. Some kids who are black, white and Asian are qualified and get rejected. A lot of kid actually. It’s a crapshoot. I will tell you who does get in people with a lot of $$$ and famous parents. That is life. There are also poor kids with multiple hardships of every race that have lower scores that get in. I guess that bother you too.

[Anonymous]

Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

This uses old data. You have proved nothing. Asian have the same barriers in corporate America. Your articles are coming. Blacks at elite schools do better than other blacks because they are still black. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you to understand? But there are many more black senior managers in corporate America than Asian senior managers. Asian CEOs outside of Asian companies are not common and many Asian companies have Anglo CEOs.
There are now a number of blacks (mostly ivy alum) that are CEOs and a bunch of senior managers. Maybe you should examine some companies instead pulling up an article based on old date.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have you all even looked at the way Harvard discriminated against Asians? It was just on test scores. The 'holistic' process docked Asian students because they probably were 'going to study too much', weren't funny, were quiet, or filled any sort of stereotypical Asian personality. Basically, Asians are penalized for probably going to 'not being able to keep it real'.

It is racist discrimination, period. That's why I'd never send my kind to a 2nd tier university like Harvard.

That’s great! Another kid will happily take their spot. There are a lot of Asian kids at Harvard ( and at all elite universities) so your kid will not be missed. Some of the alumni comments may be racist, some may be sexist, some may be homophobic but they actually have a great mixture of happy students that do well in life. Harvard will be just fine and has done a great job of picking their class. Unfortunately some kids of every race and sex don’t get in. Glad you don’t want your kid to go and hope some of these bitter Asian parents are able to move on. Everyone else whose kid does not get in celebrates where they do without this bitterness. It’s not a right based on one particular gpa, test or activity. Sometimes kids get rejected.

Sometimes kids get rejected. Sometimes kids get rejected because of their race. The latter is not ok and it’s happening to Asians at elite universities on a daily basis. But as long as Spencer and Kimberly continue to get in on their legacy preferences, schools are happy to tout their “holistic” admissions.

Again, it’s not discrimination because Harvard can have any admission system the institution seems appropriate. It was clear that Harvard and all the other elite school were going to trash the SAT from the point the suit was filed. Now years later it’s being faxed out. Schools are not like a math equation and neither is life. You can’t make a company make you CEO you can sue and maybe get a settlement but no matter how unfair it may be you won’t get to be the CEO if you are unfairly passed over because it’s not a right. Similarly you don’t have a right to go to any college you can sue but if you win you don’t get admitted. They simply change the standard. So instead of being bitter apply to a lot of schools and be happy where your smart kid attends. If the system changes it will always or when the system changes there will always be ways for Rich kids to gain admission and there will always be a lot of qualified kids that just don’t get admitted. That is kind of how life is, you don’t always win.

Basing admissions is quite literally racial discrimination.

And no, Harvard doesn't get to racially discriminate, especially considering the absurd amount of tax money it receives from the federal government for research grants and student loans.

Now, if it wants to reject all the federal research grants that allows it to maintain its prestige through research, they can go ahead and accept as many useless legacies and donor kids as they want.

You realize that is not what the court ruled, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

Then why do you care?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

This uses old data. You have proved nothing. Asian have the same barriers in corporate America. Your articles are coming. Blacks at elite schools do better than other blacks because they are still black. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you to understand? But there are many more black senior managers in corporate America than Asian senior managers. Asian CEOs outside of Asian companies are not common and many Asian companies have Anglo CEOs.
There are now a number of blacks (mostly ivy alum) that are CEOs and a bunch of senior managers. Maybe you should examine some companies instead pulling up an article based on old date.

Can you name some?