Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:All I see here is people who used to say “the Whitman district” or “the BCC district” realizing that they are in fact all in the “MCPS district.” This is one organization that must think about one county’s needs as a whole.

Good schools are good schools because of the people that buy homes in the school. If you put all of Kennedy at Whitman and all of Whitman at Kennedy then Kennedy would be the highest performing school.

Making our best schools worse than they are doesn't do anything good for the county. All it does is drive away the people that prioritize schools.

We chose our DCC school very intentionally. It was what we could afford without overextending ourselves. We love the school our child attends.

+1 except we could have bought in Bethesda but preferred the DCC. Meanwhile we absolutely prioritize education. We just also prioritize diversity, walkability, short commutes.

I feel the same way about WJ. But if I type the exact same words but say WJ instead of DCC, it is hoarding, segregation
etc etc
There is nothing wrong with loving your child’s school and being nervous about a change or opposing long bus rides.
Given that you prioritize education, walkability and short commutes, how would you like a 45 min bus ride for your child for the greater good? Would you want to know at the very least that the benefit would be worth it?

The PP was responding to a post implying that only people on the west side of the county care about their kids' education. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Of course there are parents throughout the entire county who value education. It is idiotic to think otherwise

Therefore you disagree with the person who suggested "the people who prioritize schools" only live in one part of the county. But you took offense to somebody literally describing the factors they prioritized when purchasing their DCC house. This is getting tiresome.

It is tiresome.

The trope that emerges from West county re valuing education

And

The trope that emerges from East county re racism, hoarding

You never seem to be bothered when an entire group of people is told they are racist and hoarding when in fact they have similar sentiments to others about commute time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Property values are something that any BOE member should care about.

Or at least the county council.

No. If some people's property values go down, others will go up. It's all the same to the Council. Sorry the government won't prop up your wealth.

This person is dumb. Thinks there's a finite amount of a pie. Go study economics

Agree.

GMAFB, none of you can actually describe any academic literature suggesting that this boundary study will reduce tax revenues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All I see here is people who used to say “the Whitman district” or “the BCC district” realizing that they are in fact all in the “MCPS district.” This is one organization that must think about one county’s needs as a whole.

Good schools are good schools because of the people that buy homes in the school. If you put all of Kennedy at Whitman and all of Whitman at Kennedy then Kennedy would be the highest performing school.

Making our best schools worse than they are doesn't do anything good for the county. All it does is drive away the people that prioritize schools.

We chose our DCC school very intentionally. It was what we could afford without overextending ourselves. We love the school our child attends.

+1 except we could have bought in Bethesda but preferred the DCC. Meanwhile we absolutely prioritize education. We just also prioritize diversity, walkability, short commutes.

I feel the same way about WJ. But if I type the exact same words but say WJ instead of DCC, it is hoarding, segregation
etc etc
There is nothing wrong with loving your child’s school and being nervous about a change or opposing long bus rides.
Given that you prioritize education, walkability and short commutes, how would you like a 45 min bus ride for your child for the greater good? Would you want to know at the very least that the benefit would be worth it?

Wj families brought this on by complaining about overcrowding.

Being concerned about overcrowding is a legitimate concern. But it is true that this debate is over a boundary study triggered by the reopening of Woodward as a solution to overcrowding in WJ and DCC.

And, mcps is addressing it by opening another school. So, they have no right to complain. Their complaining now impacts all of us. In the dcc we are used to overwhelming and lack of resources.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All I see here is people who used to say “the Whitman district” or “the BCC district” realizing that they are in fact all in the “MCPS district.” This is one organization that must think about one county’s needs as a whole.

Good schools are good schools because of the people that buy homes in the school. If you put all of Kennedy at Whitman and all of Whitman at Kennedy then Kennedy would be the highest performing school.

Making our best schools worse than they are doesn't do anything good for the county. All it does is drive away the people that prioritize schools.

We chose our DCC school very intentionally. It was what we could afford without overextending ourselves. We love the school our child attends.

+1 except we could have bought in Bethesda but preferred the DCC. Meanwhile we absolutely prioritize education. We just also prioritize diversity, walkability, short commutes.

I feel the same way about WJ. But if I type the exact same words but say WJ instead of DCC, it is hoarding, segregation
etc etc
There is nothing wrong with loving your child’s school and being nervous about a change or opposing long bus rides.
Given that you prioritize education, walkability and short commutes, how would you like a 45 min bus ride for your child for the greater good? Would you want to know at the very least that the benefit would be worth it?

Wj families brought this on by complaining about overcrowding.

Being concerned about overcrowding is a legitimate concern. But it is true that this debate is over a boundary study triggered by the reopening of Woodward as a solution to overcrowding in WJ and DCC.

And, mcps is addressing it by opening another school. So, they have no right to complain. Their complaining now impacts all of us. In the dcc we are used to overwhelming and lack of resources.

Then what is the alternative? Opening a new school for just WJ? That would not be fair in a countywide school system.
MCPS could have chosen to expand WJ but that seems shortsighted given all the planned development in the area.
Didn’t DCC PTAs advocate for solutions to overcrowding too? Isn’t that why Northwood is being renovated?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Property values are something that any BOE member should care about.

Or at least the county council.

No. If some people's property values go down, others will go up. It's all the same to the Council. Sorry the government won't prop up your wealth.

This person is dumb. Thinks there's a finite amount of a pie. Go study economics

Agree.

GMAFB, none of you can actually describe any academic literature suggesting that this boundary study will reduce tax revenues.

The boundary study? Or actually changing boundaries? Be specific. Would historical studies from other places where poorer kids were bused into richer schools suffice? The concept laid out in option 3 of busing richer kids to poorer neighborhoods involuntarily does not seem to have been performed at a region-wide level (at least in the u.s in a city) so it would be challenging to find a historical study showing that.

But also you’ve made a claim with no support; why don’t you show us some academic studies?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I see here is people who used to say “the Whitman district” or “the BCC district” realizing that they are in fact all in the “MCPS district.” This is one organization that must think about one county’s needs as a whole.

Good schools are good schools because of the people that buy homes in the school. If you put all of Kennedy at Whitman and all of Whitman at Kennedy then Kennedy would be the highest performing school.

Making our best schools worse than they are doesn't do anything good for the county. All it does is drive away the people that prioritize schools.

We chose our DCC school very intentionally. It was what we could afford without overextending ourselves. We love the school our child attends.

+1 except we could have bought in Bethesda but preferred the DCC. Meanwhile we absolutely prioritize education. We just also prioritize diversity, walkability, short commutes.

I feel the same way about WJ. But if I type the exact same words but say WJ instead of DCC, it is hoarding, segregation
etc etc
There is nothing wrong with loving your child’s school and being nervous about a change or opposing long bus rides.
Given that you prioritize education, walkability and short commutes, how would you like a 45 min bus ride for your child for the greater good? Would you want to know at the very least that the benefit would be worth it?

The PP was responding to a post implying that only people on the west side of the county care about their kids' education. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Of course there are parents throughout the entire county who value education. It is idiotic to think otherwise

Therefore you disagree with the person who suggested "the people who prioritize schools" only live in one part of the county. But you took offense to somebody literally describing the factors they prioritized when purchasing their DCC house. This is getting tiresome.

It is tiresome.

The trope that emerges from West county re valuing education

And

The trope that emerges from East county re racism, hoarding

You never seem to be bothered when an entire group of people is told they are racist and hoarding when in fact they have similar sentiments to others about commute time.

So you don't think it is okay to call out racist people who literally say that based on where they live, they prioritize education, and based on where other people live, they do not prioritize education?

Do you think it is okay to oppose boundary changes solely because of impacts on property values? Because that is resource hoarding, pure and simple. If you are literally just against long bus rides, those comments don't refer to you. For some reason though, you are against calling a spade a spade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property values are something that any BOE member should care about.

Or at least the county council.

No. If some people's property values go down, others will go up. It's all the same to the Council. Sorry the government won't prop up your wealth.

This person is dumb. Thinks there's a finite amount of a pie. Go study economics

Agree.

GMAFB, none of you can actually describe any academic literature suggesting that this boundary study will reduce tax revenues.

The boundary study? Or actually changing boundaries? Be specific. Would historical studies from other places where poorer kids were bused into richer schools suffice? The concept laid out in option 3 of busing richer kids to poorer neighborhoods involuntarily does not seem to have been performed at a region-wide level (at least in the u.s in a city) so it would be challenging to find a historical study showing that.

But also you’ve made a claim with no support; why don’t you show us some academic studies?

Got it. You (or another PP) who suggested I "go study economics" can cite zero literature supporting their claims. lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I see here is people who used to say “the Whitman district” or “the BCC district” realizing that they are in fact all in the “MCPS district.” This is one organization that must think about one county’s needs as a whole.

Good schools are good schools because of the people that buy homes in the school. If you put all of Kennedy at Whitman and all of Whitman at Kennedy then Kennedy would be the highest performing school.

Making our best schools worse than they are doesn't do anything good for the county. All it does is drive away the people that prioritize schools.

We chose our DCC school very intentionally. It was what we could afford without overextending ourselves. We love the school our child attends.

+1 except we could have bought in Bethesda but preferred the DCC. Meanwhile we absolutely prioritize education. We just also prioritize diversity, walkability, short commutes.

I feel the same way about WJ. But if I type the exact same words but say WJ instead of DCC, it is hoarding, segregation
etc etc
There is nothing wrong with loving your child’s school and being nervous about a change or opposing long bus rides.
Given that you prioritize education, walkability and short commutes, how would you like a 45 min bus ride for your child for the greater good? Would you want to know at the very least that the benefit would be worth it?

The PP was responding to a post implying that only people on the west side of the county care about their kids' education. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Of course there are parents throughout the entire county who value education. It is idiotic to think otherwise

Therefore you disagree with the person who suggested "the people who prioritize schools" only live in one part of the county. But you took offense to somebody literally describing the factors they prioritized when purchasing their DCC house. This is getting tiresome.

It is tiresome.

The trope that emerges from West county re valuing education

And

The trope that emerges from East county re racism, hoarding

You never seem to be bothered when an entire group of people is told they are racist and hoarding when in fact they have similar sentiments to others about commute time.

So you don't think it is okay to call out racist people who literally say that based on where they live, they prioritize education, and based on where other people live, they do not prioritize education?

Do you think it is okay to oppose boundary changes solely because of impacts on property values? Because that is resource hoarding, pure and simple. If you are literally just against long bus rides, those comments don't refer to you. For some reason though, you are against calling a spade a spade.

This. Thank you!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about Option 4 but send all of Viers Mill elementary to WJ and all of Garrett Park Elementary to Woodward (instead of that portion going to WJ)? Seems like that would mitigate the overcrowding at Wheaton withOUT oversubscribing WJ and also makes the FARMs levels a little more comparable between WJ and Woodward. All without bussing kids long distances.

PP meant “without oversubscribing WJ” so I fixed that above. Did it really take ~150 pages to get to a rational suggestion like this? Instead of quibbling about who is racist versus who doesn’t care about their kids education, why don’t we apply our energy to brainstorming reasonable modifications of the base options? FWIW, I like PP’s suggestion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about Option 4 but send all of Viers Mill elementary to WJ and all of Garrett Park Elementary to Woodward (instead of that portion going to WJ)? Seems like that would mitigate the overcrowding at Wheaton withOUT oversubscribing WJ and also makes the FARMs levels a little more comparable between WJ and Woodward. All without bussing kids long distances.

PP meant “without oversubscribing WJ” so I fixed that above. Did it really take ~150 pages to get to a rational suggestion like this? Instead of quibbling about who is racist versus who doesn’t care about their kids education, why don’t we apply our energy to brainstorming reasonable modifications of the base options? FWIW, I like PP’s suggestion.

I suggest folks attend the meetings to share their ideas. I don't think sharing ideas here is any more productive than the "quibbling" you describe.

And yes, I will call racists folks who insist they are entitled to be zoned to specific schools racist. If you don't like that, it's a you problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about Option 4 but send all of Viers Mill elementary to WJ and all of Garrett Park Elementary to Woodward (instead of that portion going to WJ)? Seems like that would mitigate the overcrowding at Wheaton withOUT oversubscribing WJ and also makes the FARMs levels a little more comparable between WJ and Woodward. All without bussing kids long distances.

PP meant “without oversubscribing WJ” so I fixed that above. Did it really take ~150 pages to get to a rational suggestion like this? Instead of quibbling about who is racist versus who doesn’t care about their kids education, why don’t we apply our energy to brainstorming reasonable modifications of the base options? FWIW, I like PP’s suggestion.

I suggest folks attend the meetings to share their ideas. I don't think sharing ideas here is any more productive than the "quibbling" you describe.

And yes, I will call racists folks who insist they are entitled to be zoned to specific schools racist. If you don't like that, it's a you problem.

I agree with sharing ideas at the meetings but this could be a forum for workshopping those ideas. If folks wanted to use DCUM productively which I suppose is questionable 😀

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property values are something that any BOE member should care about.

Or at least the county council.

No. If some people's property values go down, others will go up. It's all the same to the Council. Sorry the government won't prop up your wealth.

This person is dumb. Thinks there's a finite amount of a pie. Go study economics

Agree.

GMAFB, none of you can actually describe any academic literature suggesting that this boundary study will reduce tax revenues.

The boundary study? Or actually changing boundaries? Be specific. Would historical studies from other places where poorer kids were bused into richer schools suffice? The concept laid out in option 3 of busing richer kids to poorer neighborhoods involuntarily does not seem to have been performed at a region-wide level (at least in the u.s in a city) so it would be challenging to find a historical study showing that.

But also you’ve made a claim with no support; why don’t you show us some academic studies?

Got it. You (or another PP) who suggested I "go study economics" can cite zero literature supporting their claims. lol

Well, you are the one with this gem: "If some people's property values go down, others will go up."

That statement shows a total economic cluelessness. If they build a nuclear waste facility in the middle of MoCo, everyone's property value goes down. This is not a zero sum game. If they execute this rezoning poorly, most of the people will be negatively impacted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property values are something that any BOE member should care about.

Or at least the county council.

No. If some people's property values go down, others will go up. It's all the same to the Council. Sorry the government won't prop up your wealth.

This person is dumb. Thinks there's a finite amount of a pie. Go study economics

Agree.

GMAFB, none of you can actually describe any academic literature suggesting that this boundary study will reduce tax revenues.

The boundary study? Or actually changing boundaries? Be specific. Would historical studies from other places where poorer kids were bused into richer schools suffice? The concept laid out in option 3 of busing richer kids to poorer neighborhoods involuntarily does not seem to have been performed at a region-wide level (at least in the u.s in a city) so it would be challenging to find a historical study showing that.

But also you’ve made a claim with no support; why don’t you show us some academic studies?

Got it. You (or another PP) who suggested I "go study economics" can cite zero literature supporting their claims. lol

Well, you are the one with this gem: "If some people's property values go down, others will go up."

That statement shows a total economic cluelessness. If they build a nuclear waste facility in the middle of MoCo, everyone's property value goes down. This is not a zero sum game. If they execute this rezoning poorly, most of the people will be negatively impacted.

You're making yourself sound incredibly ridiculous by comparing this to a nuclear waste facility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sucks a little bit, but if I lived in Woodward I would just sell now and move down the street to WJ.

Prices might not go down in Woodward but I think appreciation there will lag WJ by a lot going forward.

Woodward will probably have a highly valued regional program that draws from throughout the regional cachement in the newly configured MCPS regions. Do you think the school district would build a $220 million high school on the west side and not ensure that it is academically successful?

[Anonymous]

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/departments/publicinfo/boundary_analysis/interim-report/02d_proximity.pdf

Here is a study mcps did previously on proximity. The distances they are considering for busing in option 3 are way outside the norm. Worth a read.