JMU vs. Colby

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Anonymous wrote:Did Colby football make a bowl this year?

Does anyone at Colby care? Is anyone at Colby majoring in football?

I went to Wake during the Tim Duncan years. And the basketball Games were fu. But, I have certainly never been asked in a job interview whether wake made the Sweet 16 while I was there.

I would hope that whether you spend 4 years of your life and $120k for JMU or 3x that for Colby, your decision making is a little deeper than “will this school go to a bowl game”.

22,000 kids at JMU care.

Good. I hope they enjoy watching the bowl game on TV. I also hope they have parents that have more sense than to spend over 100k based on football scores, rather than education and outcomes. Given how much college costs, if you are basing your choice on the football team’s record, send your kid to a community college and use your substantial savings to buy season tickets for your kids favorite pro sports team. You’ll still come out ahead.

PS— I went to a college with decent sports in an actual real conference (not a regional whatever conference like JMU). And I guarantee that a significant number of kids at JMU don’t care.

Also, you say 22,000
JMU kids over and over, and think it’s a flex. I hear 22,000 kids at a meh regional college and think— wow— tier 3 grad students means a bunch of classes taught by Tier 3 TAs. But hey— at least they re winning football games? Seriously?
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98% of classes at JMU are taught by professors. Nice try.

https://www.jmu.edu/about/fact-and-figures.shtml

And yet only 76% of said “professors” have terminal degrees in their field. Colby is 100%. WM is 96%.

So, 24% of JMU “professors” aren’t TAs but don’t have a terminal degree, what are they? BA/BS/MA/MS that couldn’t hack a PhD program? Not confidence inspiring.

Yawn.

[Anonymous]

I am not from NYC or DC. I have never heard of Colby before reading this thread, but I knew about JMU because of sports and because one of the girls from Dance Moms, Kendall, attends JMU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: I am not from NYC or DC. I have never heard of Colby before reading this thread, but I knew about JMU because of sports and because one of the girls from Dance Moms, Kendall, attends JMU.

Ohhhhh! Famous alum alert!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did Colby football make a bowl this year?

Does anyone at Colby care? Is anyone at Colby majoring in football?

I went to Wake during the Tim Duncan years. And the basketball Games were fu. But, I have certainly never been asked in a job interview whether wake made the Sweet 16 while I was there.

I would hope that whether you spend 4 years of your life and $120k for JMU or 3x that for Colby, your decision making is a little deeper than “will this school go to a bowl game”.

22,000 kids at JMU care.

Good. I hope they enjoy watching the bowl game on TV. I also hope they have parents that have more sense than to spend over 100k based on football scores, rather than education and outcomes. Given how much college costs, if you are basing your choice on the football team’s record, send your kid to a community college and use your substantial savings to buy season tickets for your kids favorite pro sports team. You’ll still come out ahead.

PS— I went to a college with decent sports in an actual real conference (not a regional whatever conference like JMU). And I guarantee that a significant number of kids at JMU don’t care.

Also, you say 22,000
JMU kids over and over, and think it’s a flex. I hear 22,000 kids at a meh regional college and think— wow— tier 3 grad students means a bunch of classes taught by Tier 3 TAs. But hey— at least they re winning football games? Seriously?
.

98% of classes at JMU are taught by professors. Nice try.

https://www.jmu.edu/about/fact-and-figures.shtml

And yet only 76% of said “professors” have terminal degrees in their field. Colby is 100%. WM is 96%.

So, 24% of JMU “professors” aren’t TAs but don’t have a terminal degree, what are they? BA/BS/MA/MS that couldn’t hack a PhD program? Not confidence inspiring.

Yawn.

See I’d be concerned if 1/4 of my kids professors couldn’t hack their PhD program. But, you do you Boo. I guess there really is a college for everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic D1 at a fairly mediocre school vs D3 at a highly rated LAC. If finances are not an issue, there’s not much of a choice here - career options will be night and day. We had a similar choice and attending a NESCAC, playing sport has worked out very well for our DD.

Cite?

Average Colby graduate salary >85k. Average JMU graduate salary - 65k. Multiple Wall Street firms recruit from Colby, none do at JMU
Even if not just about starting salary - Colby law school acceptance rate 87%, Med School 68% - both miles above national average. Career wise, it’s not even in the same zipcode. A lot of people get caught up in “going D1” though.

Instead of just spewing numbers, cite your claims. Otherwise, it will be assumed you're pulling these numbers out of your a$$. Provide citations to back up your assertions.
DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic D1 at a fairly mediocre school vs D3 at a highly rated LAC. If finances are not an issue, there’s not much of a choice here - career options will be night and day. We had a similar choice and attending a NESCAC, playing sport has worked out very well for our DD.

Cite?

Average Colby graduate salary >85k. Average JMU graduate salary - 65k. Multiple Wall Street firms recruit from Colby, none do at JMU
Even if not just about starting salary - Colby law school acceptance rate 87%, Med School 68% - both miles above national average. Career wise, it’s not even in the same zipcode. A lot of people get caught up in “going D1” though.

Where was this data retrieved? Were the salaries controlled for household wealth?

I believe on both colleges websites

DP. You "believe"? So, in other words, you just made all of that up and hoped no one would call you on it. Noted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colby alum.
Give it serious consideration. It's an amazing place where all classes are taught by professors, not grad students.
Have you visited? The campus is amazing. The new athletic center is world-class. The new science buildings are fabulous. The new dorms/housing options - phenomenal.
Colby has poured huge money into the town of Waterville, and the town/gown effect has improved dramatically.
yes, Maine is cold in the winter. But it's also beautiful and the community there is wonderful.

What's the sport?

What is with this hyperbolic gushing over a tiny, remote school in the middle of nowhere? And again - “world class”? I mean, come on.

Either you are pissed that you or your kids didn't get in or you've never visited. Either way stop pissing on something you know nothing about.

You mean the way you Colby boosters are pissing on JMU? Oh, ok.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Colby alum.
Give it serious consideration. It's an amazing place where all classes are taught by professors, not grad students.
Have you visited? The campus is amazing. The new athletic center is world-class. The new science buildings are fabulous. The new dorms/housing options - phenomenal.
Colby has poured huge money into the town of Waterville, and the town/gown effect has improved dramatically.
yes, Maine is cold in the winter. But it's also beautiful and the community there is wonderful.

What's the sport?

What is with this hyperbolic gushing over a tiny, remote school in the middle of nowhere? And again - “world class”? I mean, come on.

Either you are pissed that you or your kids didn't get in or you've never visited. Either way stop pissing on something you know nothing about.

You mean the way you Colby boosters are pissing on JMU? Oh, ok.

DP. No. The way JMU boosters are pissing on Colby.

[Anonymous]

Man, what a wild thread. As OP says: very, very different schools in almost every way.

It really comes down to what the student wants -- big vs small, mid-Atlantic vs downeast Maine, D1 vs D3. If the kid is smart and driven, she will make the most of either place and probably get a great education regardless, but I honestly don't know how a corporate recruiter would evaluate a SLAC they may not have heard of vs a 2nd-tier state school. But people who know, know that Colby is filled with kids in the top 5-10% of their high school classes. JMU is filled with kids who couldn't get into UVA, W&M, and probably VT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did Colby football make a bowl this year?

Does anyone at Colby care? Is anyone at Colby majoring in football?

I went to Wake during the Tim Duncan years. And the basketball Games were fu. But, I have certainly never been asked in a job interview whether wake made the Sweet 16 while I was there.

I would hope that whether you spend 4 years of your life and $120k for JMU or 3x that for Colby, your decision making is a little deeper than “will this school go to a bowl game”.

22,000 kids at JMU care.

Good. I hope they enjoy watching the bowl game on TV. I also hope they have parents that have more sense than to spend over 100k based on football scores, rather than education and outcomes. Given how much college costs, if you are basing your choice on the football team’s record, send your kid to a community college and use your substantial savings to buy season tickets for your kids favorite pro sports team. You’ll still come out ahead.

PS— I went to a college with decent sports in an actual real conference (not a regional whatever conference like JMU). And I guarantee that a significant number of kids at JMU don’t care.

Also, you say 22,000
JMU kids over and over, and think it’s a flex. I hear 22,000 kids at a meh regional college and think— wow— tier 3 grad students means a bunch of classes taught by Tier 3 TAs. But hey— at least they re winning football games? Seriously?
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You insult JMU over and over, and think it's a flex.

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I'm really astounded at the HUGE chip on the shoulders of the Colby boosters. To take the time to try and put down what is a good school with lots of different opportunities (not to mention, different types of students) really takes some Grade A Insecurity.

Colby was never on our radar at all (kids are still in HS), but reading these arrogant posts makes me 100% certain it will never be on our radar in the future. Yeeeeeesh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did Colby football make a bowl this year?

Does anyone at Colby care? Is anyone at Colby majoring in football?

I went to Wake during the Tim Duncan years. And the basketball Games were fu. But, I have certainly never been asked in a job interview whether wake made the Sweet 16 while I was there.

I would hope that whether you spend 4 years of your life and $120k for JMU or 3x that for Colby, your decision making is a little deeper than “will this school go to a bowl game”.

22,000 kids at JMU care.

Good. I hope they enjoy watching the bowl game on TV. I also hope they have parents that have more sense than to spend over 100k based on football scores, rather than education and outcomes. Given how much college costs, if you are basing your choice on the football team’s record, send your kid to a community college and use your substantial savings to buy season tickets for your kids favorite pro sports team. You’ll still come out ahead.

PS— I went to a college with decent sports in an actual real conference (not a regional whatever conference like JMU). And I guarantee that a significant number of kids at JMU don’t care.

Also, you say 22,000
JMU kids over and over, and think it’s a flex. I hear 22,000 kids at a meh regional college and think— wow— tier 3 grad students means a bunch of classes taught by Tier 3 TAs. But hey— at least they re winning football games? Seriously?
.

You insult JMU over and over, and think it's a flex.

No, I send my kids to colleges where the priority is education and they are taught by Professors in small classes. And I know it’s a flex. Sorry if JMU’s TA centric education weak in comparison.

But really, once you say the best reason to chose a college is its football team, the debate on relative academic merit is over. Unless your kid is a starter on the football team with a chance of going pro, going to a bowl game has zero ROI.

DP. Another poster already corrected you, but here are some more stats for you to stew about. You seem like a highly unpleasant person.

Student/faculty ratio: 17:1
Average class size: 25 students
Classes with fewer than 50 students: 89%
Classes taught by professors: 98%
https://www.jmu.edu/about/fact-and-figures.shtml#:~:text=Student%2Ffaculty%20ratio%3A%2017%3A1%20Average%20class%20size%3A%2025%20students,50%20students%3A%2089%25%20Classes%20taught%20by%20professors%3A%2098%25

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did Colby football make a bowl this year?

Does anyone at Colby care? Is anyone at Colby majoring in football?

I went to Wake during the Tim Duncan years. And the basketball Games were fu. But, I have certainly never been asked in a job interview whether wake made the Sweet 16 while I was there.

I would hope that whether you spend 4 years of your life and $120k for JMU or 3x that for Colby, your decision making is a little deeper than “will this school go to a bowl game”.

22,000 kids at JMU care.

Good. I hope they enjoy watching the bowl game on TV. I also hope they have parents that have more sense than to spend over 100k based on football scores, rather than education and outcomes. Given how much college costs, if you are basing your choice on the football team’s record, send your kid to a community college and use your substantial savings to buy season tickets for your kids favorite pro sports team. You’ll still come out ahead.

PS— I went to a college with decent sports in an actual real conference (not a regional whatever conference like JMU). And I guarantee that a significant number of kids at JMU don’t care.

Also, you say 22,000
JMU kids over and over, and think it’s a flex. I hear 22,000 kids at a meh regional college and think— wow— tier 3 grad students means a bunch of classes taught by Tier 3 TAs. But hey— at least they re winning football games? Seriously?
.

You insult JMU over and over, and think it's a flex.

+1
I'm really astounded at the HUGE chip on the shoulders of the Colby boosters. To take the time to try and put down what is a good school with lots of different opportunities (not to mention, different types of students) really takes some Grade A Insecurity.

Colby was never on our radar at all (kids are still in HS), but reading these arrogant posts makes me 100% certain it will never be on our radar in the future. Yeeeeeesh.

DP, Just so we’re all clear, you’re taking the time to put down Colby, which is a good school. Which, by your own analysis, takes some grade A insecurity on your part.

Am I missing anything?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did Colby football make a bowl this year?

Does anyone at Colby care? Is anyone at Colby majoring in football?

I went to Wake during the Tim Duncan years. And the basketball Games were fu. But, I have certainly never been asked in a job interview whether wake made the Sweet 16 while I was there.

I would hope that whether you spend 4 years of your life and $120k for JMU or 3x that for Colby, your decision making is a little deeper than “will this school go to a bowl game”.

22,000 kids at JMU care.

Good. I hope they enjoy watching the bowl game on TV. I also hope they have parents that have more sense than to spend over 100k based on football scores, rather than education and outcomes. Given how much college costs, if you are basing your choice on the football team’s record, send your kid to a community college and use your substantial savings to buy season tickets for your kids favorite pro sports team. You’ll still come out ahead.

PS— I went to a college with decent sports in an actual real conference (not a regional whatever conference like JMU). And I guarantee that a significant number of kids at JMU don’t care.

Also, you say 22,000
JMU kids over and over, and think it’s a flex. I hear 22,000 kids at a meh regional college and think— wow— tier 3 grad students means a bunch of classes taught by Tier 3 TAs. But hey— at least they re winning football games? Seriously?
.

You insult JMU over and over, and think it's a flex.

No, I send my kids to colleges where the priority is education and they are taught by Professors in small classes. And I know it’s a flex. Sorry if JMU’s TA centric education weak in comparison.

But really, once you say the best reason to chose a college is its football team, the debate on relative academic merit is over. Unless your kid is a starter on the football team with a chance of going pro, going to a bowl game has zero ROI.

DP. Another poster already corrected you, but here are some more stats for you to stew about. You seem like a highly unpleasant person.

Student/faculty ratio: 17:1
Average class size: 25 students
Classes with fewer than 50 students: 89%
Classes taught by professors: 98%
https://www.jmu.edu/about/fact-and-figures.shtml#:~:text=Student%2Ffaculty%20ratio%3A%2017%3A1%20Average%20class%20size%3A%2025%20students,50%20students%3A%2089%25%20Classes%20taught%20by%20professors%3A%2098%25

Remind me, what % of “professors” who we’re actually able to get PhDs? Because I’m not sure that a BA/MA is better than a PhD candidate under the supervision of a PhD.

[Anonymous]

It is not even comparable in terms of admission results. Please see the SAT and ACT score.

https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=Colby&s=all&fv=232423+161086&cp=1&sl=161086+232423

[Anonymous]

For lazy people,
50th percentile, 1490 vs 1240. 34 vs 26.