Handmaid’s Tale season 4

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Anonymous wrote:That wasn't Janine with the grey puffy hat being helped in the distance? The ep ending was a nice surprise!

Yeah, I was surprised that the Canadian relief group was willing to push that far into a war zone. I assumed that it was just rebel territory in downtown Chicago.

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Anonymous wrote:Same. At the end, I so badly wanted to see Janine. The whole scene prior to the end with her wanting to stay and have a baby was so odd to me! Talk about getting out of one bad situation and right into another, but it fits her personality and reminds me of when she thought the commander was going to leave his wife to marry her.

It looks like June could be safe and free now and hopefully Janine, too, but without Hannah, I don't see her choosing that route.

In the episode where Hannah was afraid of her I think that June pretty much realized that trying to personally rescue her might no longer be in her best interest. Janine wanted to return to Boston in this episode but June was adamantly against it. She said something like “there’s nothing for us there.”

The season 4 trailer seems to show June in Canada, thank god. My ideal scenario: her testimony ("I want justice") succeeds in getting the book thrown at the Waterfords and Serena is deemed unfit to raise her child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Same. At the end, I so badly wanted to see Janine. The whole scene prior to the end with her wanting to stay and have a baby was so odd to me! Talk about getting out of one bad situation and right into another, but it fits her personality and reminds me of when she thought the commander was going to leave his wife to marry her.

It looks like June could be safe and free now and hopefully Janine, too, but without Hannah, I don't see her choosing that route.

In the episode where Hannah was afraid of her I think that June pretty much realized that trying to personally rescue her might no longer be in her best interest. Janine wanted to return to Boston in this episode but June was adamantly against it. She said something like “there’s nothing for us there.”

It’s an interesting question what’s in Hannah’s best interest. I personally think that forcibly removing her would still be in her best interest even if upsetting to her. A child who is kidnapped or joined a cult might be brainwashed to fear their parents and hate normal society—that doesn’t mean you leave them with the kidnapper. You rescue them even if they hate you for it, and try to get them access to De-programming therapy.

[Anonymous]

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I am going to be so, so pissed if they killed off Janine. So. Damn. Pissed.

I don’t get the new alliance between Commander Lawrence and Aunt Lydia. How did she have evidence against him, especially in Winslow’s murder? They’re suddenly working for the same thing?

And once again Nick is useless. Get off your ass and go rescue Hannah, you piece of crap traitor.

It seems like every time Cmdr Lawrence seems to be doing the right thing a page turns and he is shown to have ulterior motives or really just doesn’t care. Then another page turns and those ulterior motives weren’t what they seemed. He’s inscrutable.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Same. At the end, I so badly wanted to see Janine. The whole scene prior to the end with her wanting to stay and have a baby was so odd to me! Talk about getting out of one bad situation and right into another, but it fits her personality and reminds me of when she thought the commander was going to leave his wife to marry her.

It looks like June could be safe and free now and hopefully Janine, too, but without Hannah, I don't see her choosing that route.

In the episode where Hannah was afraid of her I think that June pretty much realized that trying to personally rescue her might no longer be in her best interest. Janine wanted to return to Boston in this episode but June was adamantly against it. She said something like “there’s nothing for us there.”

It’s an interesting question what’s in Hannah’s best interest. I personally think that forcibly removing her would still be in her best interest even if upsetting to her. A child who is kidnapped or joined a cult might be brainwashed to fear their parents and hate normal society—that doesn’t mean you leave them with the kidnapper. You rescue them even if they hate you for it, and try to get them access to De-programming therapy.

Except any travel with a unwilling child would be inherently risky. No way to do it without drugging them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Spoilers for episode 5
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I am going to be so, so pissed if they killed off Janine. So. Damn. Pissed.

I don’t get the new alliance between Commander Lawrence and Aunt Lydia. How did she have evidence against him, especially in Winslow’s murder? They’re suddenly working for the same thing?

And once again Nick is useless. Get off your ass and go rescue Hannah, you piece of crap traitor.

It seems like every time Cmdr Lawrence seems to be doing the right thing a page turns and he is shown to have ulterior motives or really just doesn’t care. Then another page turns and those ulterior motives weren’t what they seemed. He’s inscrutable.

Yes, he seemed happy about the children getting out, then this. No clue what he really wants to achieve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Same. At the end, I so badly wanted to see Janine. The whole scene prior to the end with her wanting to stay and have a baby was so odd to me! Talk about getting out of one bad situation and right into another, but it fits her personality and reminds me of when she thought the commander was going to leave his wife to marry her.

It looks like June could be safe and free now and hopefully Janine, too, but without Hannah, I don't see her choosing that route.

In the episode where Hannah was afraid of her I think that June pretty much realized that trying to personally rescue her might no longer be in her best interest. Janine wanted to return to Boston in this episode but June was adamantly against it. She said something like “there’s nothing for us there.”

It’s an interesting question what’s in Hannah’s best interest. I personally think that forcibly removing her would still be in her best interest even if upsetting to her. A child who is kidnapped or joined a cult might be brainwashed to fear their parents and hate normal society—that doesn’t mean you leave them with the kidnapper. You rescue them even if they hate you for it, and try to get them access to De-programming therapy.

June probably realizes that returning to a dangerous place where she is a notorious traitor and attempting to extract a terrified Hannah hundreds of miles with no support could mean death for both of them. She not only saw that Hannah was afraid of her, but that she was not afraid of the people who brought her there. I hope that June intends to go to Canada and fight from there.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Same. At the end, I so badly wanted to see Janine. The whole scene prior to the end with her wanting to stay and have a baby was so odd to me! Talk about getting out of one bad situation and right into another, but it fits her personality and reminds me of when she thought the commander was going to leave his wife to marry her.

It looks like June could be safe and free now and hopefully Janine, too, but without Hannah, I don't see her choosing that route.

In the episode where Hannah was afraid of her I think that June pretty much realized that trying to personally rescue her might no longer be in her best interest. Janine wanted to return to Boston in this episode but June was adamantly against it. She said something like “there’s nothing for us there.”

It’s an interesting question what’s in Hannah’s best interest. I personally think that forcibly removing her would still be in her best interest even if upsetting to her. A child who is kidnapped or joined a cult might be brainwashed to fear their parents and hate normal society—that doesn’t mean you leave them with the kidnapper. You rescue them even if they hate you for it, and try to get them access to De-programming therapy.

Except any travel with a unwilling child would be inherently risky. No way to do it without drugging them.

+1 She needs to be more strategic about helping to bring down Gilead, and that is best done in Canada. That is the only chance of getting Hannah back ultimately.

[Anonymous]

Watching it now - going back the the "why is Commander Lawrence still alive?" question.

The high-ranking men protect each other/won't hold each other accountable because they don't want to be held accountable themselves. The guy in charge of that hearing was Putnam - the one that had his hand cut off for his affair with Janine. If they start turning on each other, where does it end?

I also think they are kind of desperate. Sounds like there are sanctions, lots of fronts in the war, etc. And they are bumbling around talking about invading Canada. Lawrence is actually smart.

[Anonymous]

OMG - I just finished the episode.

I am sobbing in my kitchen. My God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Watching it now - going back the the "why is Commander Lawrence still alive?" question.

The high-ranking men protect each other/won't hold each other accountable because they don't want to be held accountable themselves. The guy in charge of that hearing was Putnam - the one that had his hand cut off for his affair with Janine. If they start turning on each other, where does it end?

I also think they are kind of desperate. Sounds like there are sanctions, lots of fronts in the war, etc. And they are bumbling around talking about invading Canada. Lawrence is actually smart.

Lawrence was saved by Nick, who surely regrets it after that last meeting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Watching it now - going back the the "why is Commander Lawrence still alive?" question.

The high-ranking men protect each other/won't hold each other accountable because they don't want to be held accountable themselves. The guy in charge of that hearing was Putnam - the one that had his hand cut off for his affair with Janine. If they start turning on each other, where does it end?

I also think they are kind of desperate. Sounds like there are sanctions, lots of fronts in the war, etc. And they are bumbling around talking about invading Canada. Lawrence is actually smart.

Lawrence was saved by Nick, who surely regrets it after that last meeting.

Yes, but I'd argue the above still stands.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That wasn't Janine with the grey puffy hat being helped in the distance? The ep ending was a nice surprise!

Yeah, I was surprised that the Canadian relief group was willing to push that far into a war zone. I assumed that it was just rebel territory in downtown Chicago.

So, I follow this show too closely, but this map posted by the show indicates that Chicago is rebel held. The cease fire was widely publicized so humanitarian groups could go in. The bombing was reprehensible, but should be expected in this sort of situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Watching it now - going back the the "why is Commander Lawrence still alive?" question.

The high-ranking men protect each other/won't hold each other accountable because they don't want to be held accountable themselves. The guy in charge of that hearing was Putnam - the one that had his hand cut off for his affair with Janine. If they start turning on each other, where does it end?

I also think they are kind of desperate. Sounds like there are sanctions, lots of fronts in the war, etc. And they are bumbling around talking about invading Canada. Lawrence is actually smart.

Lawrence was saved by Nick, who surely regrets it after that last meeting.

Yes, but I'd argue the above still stands.

I agree with all of it, just adding that Nick saved Lawrence for his own purposes, and that’s why he’s still alive. So many people live or die in Gilead because those in power have a personal stake in their outcome. None of it is truly based on “righteousness.” Ever shifting sands, nothing solid.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That wasn't Janine with the grey puffy hat being helped in the distance? The ep ending was a nice surprise!

Yeah, I was surprised that the Canadian relief group was willing to push that far into a war zone. I assumed that it was just rebel territory in downtown Chicago.

So, I follow this show too closely, but this map posted by the show indicates that Chicago is rebel held. The cease fire was widely publicized so humanitarian groups could go in. The bombing was reprehensible, but should be expected in this sort of situation.

In the meeting it was agreed that they would bomb the hell out of the fronts in advance of the ceasefire. I really don’t know why the humanitarian groups felt safe going in at any point, though. It would be very Gilead to lure them in with a false ceasefire and then ambush them.