Bethesda Today: Behavioral issues, lack of support creating unsafe classrooms

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For 16:58, respectfully, I don't think I can answer the questions about reasonable environment taxpayers should provide. We're living the process and it's harrowing and daunting. I would start from the point of what needs to these kids have and what services match the needs. Then it becomes a demand/supply question and then funding.

Also, we're at a point where we're continuing to understand our little one, learning about experiences from other families, and outcomes achieved. So I don't have a crystal ball about what model works, let alone if that model or models works for all.

Here are responses to your other questions:

As we’ve heard from dozens of seasoned educators on this forum, the issue of classroom violence is skyrocketing. What do you feel is going on?
I can only comment on our experience, which I don't think is representative of the population. I provided an example of what happens with our LO in the original post. IMO, it's a mismatch between needs and curriculum/instruction. Then there is escalation when LO isn't able to maintain the same as gen ed peers. Also, we've had a hell of a time with medication. We've dealt with multiple psychiatrists who all take a try and see approach. In IMO, we saw an increase of behavioral issues as we tried new medications and dosages. It was a nightmare.

What has helped your child the most? Any particular individual, or method? Is your son’s father in the home? How does he respond to the violence? How do you respond?
For us, letting our LO recharge outside of school was very helpful. Providing lots of options for preferred activities and socialization helped most. Also, I'm LOs father. Further, I think your questions about responding to violence miss the point. Once there's escalation to the point of violence, there's very little that can be done in the moment. Understanding the cues and deescalation is essential. Keeping calm and showing empathy is essential.

Do you believe the other children in the classroom feel safe when they come to school? How should they be protected from assault?
I think these questions are for staff and specialists that have observed incidents and families of gen ed kids. What I can say is that my LO and other kids at school are friendly toward each other. LO is looking to have positive relationships and feels depressed after a dysregulated episode. The more is happens, the bigger the hole is to get out.


Again, I'm hoping that sharing our story helps to provide more context.

Agree with this poster. When our DC was 6 and was showing similar signs we BEGGED to be seen. Everyone was brushing us off. A totally useless psychiatrist ata reputable pediatrician's office just basically diagnosed DC with ODD and called it a day. It was only after pushing and pushing did we get to someone who could really help. We also have rsources, not everyone does.

Who really helped? What did they do?

Meds + therapy + supports at school (with an advocate at our IEP meetings).

What supports?

A school
With a guidance counselor and principal
Who get special education, a Homeroom teacher who gets SEL and is supported by leadership, a great paraedicator. People who
Are willing to look out for my kid when other kids purposely try to rile them up to get a reaction.

You do realize how vague and unspecific this is, right?

What does “gets” SEL mean in terms of tangible criteria? How do you screen for that and measure for it?

Also, where is the accountability on your child’s part? Being a special Ed student doesn’t mean your kid has no role in how they behave and interact with others at school.

Well said. I’m afraid special needs mom just blew the lid off of the charade. There are certainly real disabilities that some children have, but I’m done with bad behavior getting included.

No other country in the world spends the $$$$$$$$$$ that we do coddling kids who can’t have everything they want, when they want it.

Now we see why no one can say what it is they think these kids need, because all these parents want is for their kid to be in charge, regardless of the consequences. No wonder why there’s no good place for them to be. It doesn’t exist. Anywhere.

No child can learn if they don’t want to learn. Their behavior must first get under control.

They probably need a few routine chores around the house. But wait, my kid doesn’t like chores. Chores don’t make him happy. And, he’ll probably throw something at you if you ask him again. So best not to set him off.

So I’ll just say it: stop being stupid. Most of these badly behaving kids have more brains than most of their special needs parents.

Some of it can be resolved with good parenting and good teachers but if it’s a mental health or medical issue, a few chores will not fix that.

A consistent routine that includes daily chores is good parenting. A kid who shows up to kindergarten with severe behavior problems (barring mental illness) has been poorly parented.

How often do we see parents making excuses for their kids. all. day. long?
This is the most dangerous kind of parent. They often have untreated mental illness.

You are so clueless. Sure it could be parenting, but it could be due to drug or alcoholic exposure, undiagnosed mental illness, medical issues, needs not being met at school….

NP. Sure, but if it’s really a serious issue as you claim then those kids shouldn’t be in mainstream schools. Kids should not be forced to go to school and sit with people who behave like animals because they have mental illness or brain damage from alcohol or drug exposure. There really needs to be special facilities for those kids who pose a threat to others and essentially have no hope of recovery or ever fitting in with mainstream kids. Refusing to acknowledge this is what is destroying our public school system.

+1000
And nothing will change until more parents demand changes to ensure safety for ALL!

It all comes back to money. The vocal poster here wants to segregate kids with disabilities in self-contained programs. That's theoretically possible, but expensive. If were willing to spend more money, we could safely accomodate many kids in their current settings at lesser cost. But it is even cheaper to ignore their needs, so that's what is often done by schools.

Some of these kids need to be in self-contained programs but MCPS got rid of many of them.

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For 16:58, respectfully, I don't think I can answer the questions about reasonable environment taxpayers should provide. We're living the process and it's harrowing and daunting. I would start from the point of what needs to these kids have and what services match the needs. Then it becomes a demand/supply question and then funding.

Also, we're at a point where we're continuing to understand our little one, learning about experiences from other families, and outcomes achieved. So I don't have a crystal ball about what model works, let alone if that model or models works for all.

Here are responses to your other questions:

As we’ve heard from dozens of seasoned educators on this forum, the issue of classroom violence is skyrocketing. What do you feel is going on?
I can only comment on our experience, which I don't think is representative of the population. I provided an example of what happens with our LO in the original post. IMO, it's a mismatch between needs and curriculum/instruction. Then there is escalation when LO isn't able to maintain the same as gen ed peers. Also, we've had a hell of a time with medication. We've dealt with multiple psychiatrists who all take a try and see approach. In IMO, we saw an increase of behavioral issues as we tried new medications and dosages. It was a nightmare.

What has helped your child the most? Any particular individual, or method? Is your son’s father in the home? How does he respond to the violence? How do you respond?
For us, letting our LO recharge outside of school was very helpful. Providing lots of options for preferred activities and socialization helped most. Also, I'm LOs father. Further, I think your questions about responding to violence miss the point. Once there's escalation to the point of violence, there's very little that can be done in the moment. Understanding the cues and deescalation is essential. Keeping calm and showing empathy is essential.

Do you believe the other children in the classroom feel safe when they come to school? How should they be protected from assault?
I think these questions are for staff and specialists that have observed incidents and families of gen ed kids. What I can say is that my LO and other kids at school are friendly toward each other. LO is looking to have positive relationships and feels depressed after a dysregulated episode. The more is happens, the bigger the hole is to get out.


Again, I'm hoping that sharing our story helps to provide more context.

Agree with this poster. When our DC was 6 and was showing similar signs we BEGGED to be seen. Everyone was brushing us off. A totally useless psychiatrist ata reputable pediatrician's office just basically diagnosed DC with ODD and called it a day. It was only after pushing and pushing did we get to someone who could really help. We also have rsources, not everyone does.

Who really helped? What did they do?

Meds + therapy + supports at school (with an advocate at our IEP meetings).

What supports?

A school
With a guidance counselor and principal
Who get special education, a Homeroom teacher who gets SEL and is supported by leadership, a great paraedicator. People who
Are willing to look out for my kid when other kids purposely try to rile them up to get a reaction.

You do realize how vague and unspecific this is, right?

What does “gets” SEL mean in terms of tangible criteria? How do you screen for that and measure for it?

Also, where is the accountability on your child’s part? Being a special Ed student doesn’t mean your kid has no role in how they behave and interact with others at school.

Well said. I’m afraid special needs mom just blew the lid off of the charade. There are certainly real disabilities that some children have, but I’m done with bad behavior getting included.

No other country in the world spends the $$$$$$$$$$ that we do coddling kids who can’t have everything they want, when they want it.

Now we see why no one can say what it is they think these kids need, because all these parents want is for their kid to be in charge, regardless of the consequences. No wonder why there’s no good place for them to be. It doesn’t exist. Anywhere.

No child can learn if they don’t want to learn. Their behavior must first get under control.

They probably need a few routine chores around the house. But wait, my kid doesn’t like chores. Chores don’t make him happy. And, he’ll probably throw something at you if you ask him again. So best not to set him off.

So I’ll just say it: stop being stupid. Most of these badly behaving kids have more brains than most of their special needs parents.

Some of it can be resolved with good parenting and good teachers but if it’s a mental health or medical issue, a few chores will not fix that.

A consistent routine that includes daily chores is good parenting. A kid who shows up to kindergarten with severe behavior problems (barring mental illness) has been poorly parented.

How often do we see parents making excuses for their kids. all. day. long?
This is the most dangerous kind of parent. They often have untreated mental illness.

You are so clueless. Sure it could be parenting, but it could be due to drug or alcoholic exposure, undiagnosed mental illness, medical issues, needs not being met at school….

Let’s say it yet again for you:
Violent mentally sick children need MEDICAL attention. Schools don’t have physicians to treat sick children. Schools are for LEARNING, not for treating sick children.

This is not complicated, people.

Physicians rarely treat mental illness. Schools are supposed to provide educational services to all kids, including those with physical and mental disabilities and medical needs. It is complicated as these kids don't need doctors and they need trained professionals in ABA, speech, ot, pt, soicla workers, therapists, special ed, and much more.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone else have a problem when they fire teachers who don't cover up the violence and chaos in the classroom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else have a problem when they fire teachers who don't cover up the violence and chaos in the classroom?

No. I haven't seen that. There's probably more going on with whatever you're alluding to.

[Anonymous]

Every year teachers lose their jobs and it may or may not be due to the mismanagement, lack of security, over stuffed classrooms, violence, assaults, etc. Many of the things are out of teachers hands with no support. How do they pick and choose who gets canned when we are asked to fraud number daily by admins.

[Anonymous]

Everyone should know this garbage is happening in public schools across America. I’ll never forget the teacher who got her ribs kicked in by a violent “special needs” kids.

The kid’s mother didn’t even have an apology for the victim, even though she barely survived the beating she got — for dedicating her entire life to teaching kids.

This never existed before the Department of Education decided violent kids should be awarded special protections.

School attackers don’t have a real disability. They have unaddressed/unregulated temper tantrums. That spoiled little toddler stomping his feet and throwing his toys around the house, eventually can turn into a behemoth mad person with real power over you. Girls and women are their targets.

Never give into demanding children, or they can become monsters.

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Anonymous wrote:SESES Family Poster -

For 16:58, respectfully, I don't think I can answer the questions about reasonable environment taxpayers should provide. We're living the process and it's harrowing and daunting. I would start from the point of what needs to these kids have and what services match the needs. Then it becomes a demand/supply question and then funding.

Also, we're at a point where we're continuing to understand our little one, learning about experiences from other families, and outcomes achieved. So I don't have a crystal ball about what model works, let alone if that model or models works for all.

Here are responses to your other questions:

As we’ve heard from dozens of seasoned educators on this forum, the issue of classroom violence is skyrocketing. What do you feel is going on?
I can only comment on our experience, which I don't think is representative of the population. I provided an example of what happens with our LO in the original post. IMO, it's a mismatch between needs and curriculum/instruction. Then there is escalation when LO isn't able to maintain the same as gen ed peers. Also, we've had a hell of a time with medication. We've dealt with multiple psychiatrists who all take a try and see approach. In IMO, we saw an increase of behavioral issues as we tried new medications and dosages. It was a nightmare.

What has helped your child the most? Any particular individual, or method? Is your son’s father in the home? How does he respond to the violence? How do you respond?
For us, letting our LO recharge outside of school was very helpful. Providing lots of options for preferred activities and socialization helped most. Also, I'm LOs father. Further, I think your questions about responding to violence miss the point. Once there's escalation to the point of violence, there's very little that can be done in the moment. Understanding the cues and deescalation is essential. Keeping calm and showing empathy is essential.

Do you believe the other children in the classroom feel safe when they come to school? How should they be protected from assault?
I think these questions are for staff and specialists that have observed incidents and families of gen ed kids. What I can say is that my LO and other kids at school are friendly toward each other. LO is looking to have positive relationships and feels depressed after a dysregulated episode. The more is happens, the bigger the hole is to get out.


Again, I'm hoping that sharing our story helps to provide more context.

Agree with this poster. When our DC was 6 and was showing similar signs we BEGGED to be seen. Everyone was brushing us off. A totally useless psychiatrist ata reputable pediatrician's office just basically diagnosed DC with ODD and called it a day. It was only after pushing and pushing did we get to someone who could really help. We also have rsources, not everyone does.

Who really helped? What did they do?

Meds + therapy + supports at school (with an advocate at our IEP meetings).

What supports?

A school
With a guidance counselor and principal
Who get special education, a Homeroom teacher who gets SEL and is supported by leadership, a great paraedicator. People who
Are willing to look out for my kid when other kids purposely try to rile them up to get a reaction.

You do realize how vague and unspecific this is, right?

What does “gets” SEL mean in terms of tangible criteria? How do you screen for that and measure for it?

Also, where is the accountability on your child’s part? Being a special Ed student doesn’t mean your kid has no role in how they behave and interact with others at school.

Well said. I’m afraid special needs mom just blew the lid off of the charade. There are certainly real disabilities that some children have, but I’m done with bad behavior getting included.

No other country in the world spends the $$$$$$$$$$ that we do coddling kids who can’t have everything they want, when they want it.

Now we see why no one can say what it is they think these kids need, because all these parents want is for their kid to be in charge, regardless of the consequences. No wonder why there’s no good place for them to be. It doesn’t exist. Anywhere.

No child can learn if they don’t want to learn. Their behavior must first get under control.

They probably need a few routine chores around the house. But wait, my kid doesn’t like chores. Chores don’t make him happy. And, he’ll probably throw something at you if you ask him again. So best not to set him off.

So I’ll just say it: stop being stupid. Most of these badly behaving kids have more brains than most of their special needs parents.

Some of it can be resolved with good parenting and good teachers but if it’s a mental health or medical issue, a few chores will not fix that.

A consistent routine that includes daily chores is good parenting. A kid who shows up to kindergarten with severe behavior problems (barring mental illness) has been poorly parented.

How often do we see parents making excuses for their kids. all. day. long?
This is the most dangerous kind of parent. They often have untreated mental illness.

You are so clueless. Sure it could be parenting, but it could be due to drug or alcoholic exposure, undiagnosed mental illness, medical issues, needs not being met at school….

Let’s say it yet again for you:
Violent mentally sick children need MEDICAL attention. Schools don’t have physicians to treat sick children. Schools are for LEARNING, not for treating sick children.

This is not complicated, people.

Physicians rarely treat mental illness. Schools are supposed to provide educational services to all kids, including those with physical and mental disabilities and medical needs. It is complicated as these kids don't need doctors and they need trained professionals in ABA, speech, ot, pt, soicla workers, therapists, special ed, and much more.

Violent mental illnesses demand psychiatric intervention. Sick untreated children do not belong in school.

You aren’t allowed to have children with fevers in school either.

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Anonymous wrote:SESES Family Poster -

For 16:58, respectfully, I don't think I can answer the questions about reasonable environment taxpayers should provide. We're living the process and it's harrowing and daunting. I would start from the point of what needs to these kids have and what services match the needs. Then it becomes a demand/supply question and then funding.

Also, we're at a point where we're continuing to understand our little one, learning about experiences from other families, and outcomes achieved. So I don't have a crystal ball about what model works, let alone if that model or models works for all.

Here are responses to your other questions:

As we’ve heard from dozens of seasoned educators on this forum, the issue of classroom violence is skyrocketing. What do you feel is going on?
I can only comment on our experience, which I don't think is representative of the population. I provided an example of what happens with our LO in the original post. IMO, it's a mismatch between needs and curriculum/instruction. Then there is escalation when LO isn't able to maintain the same as gen ed peers. Also, we've had a hell of a time with medication. We've dealt with multiple psychiatrists who all take a try and see approach. In IMO, we saw an increase of behavioral issues as we tried new medications and dosages. It was a nightmare.

What has helped your child the most? Any particular individual, or method? Is your son’s father in the home? How does he respond to the violence? How do you respond?
For us, letting our LO recharge outside of school was very helpful. Providing lots of options for preferred activities and socialization helped most. Also, I'm LOs father. Further, I think your questions about responding to violence miss the point. Once there's escalation to the point of violence, there's very little that can be done in the moment. Understanding the cues and deescalation is essential. Keeping calm and showing empathy is essential.

Do you believe the other children in the classroom feel safe when they come to school? How should they be protected from assault?
I think these questions are for staff and specialists that have observed incidents and families of gen ed kids. What I can say is that my LO and other kids at school are friendly toward each other. LO is looking to have positive relationships and feels depressed after a dysregulated episode. The more is happens, the bigger the hole is to get out.


Again, I'm hoping that sharing our story helps to provide more context.

Agree with this poster. When our DC was 6 and was showing similar signs we BEGGED to be seen. Everyone was brushing us off. A totally useless psychiatrist ata reputable pediatrician's office just basically diagnosed DC with ODD and called it a day. It was only after pushing and pushing did we get to someone who could really help. We also have rsources, not everyone does.

Who really helped? What did they do?

Meds + therapy + supports at school (with an advocate at our IEP meetings).

What supports?

A school
With a guidance counselor and principal
Who get special education, a Homeroom teacher who gets SEL and is supported by leadership, a great paraedicator. People who
Are willing to look out for my kid when other kids purposely try to rile them up to get a reaction.

You do realize how vague and unspecific this is, right?

What does “gets” SEL mean in terms of tangible criteria? How do you screen for that and measure for it?

Also, where is the accountability on your child’s part? Being a special Ed student doesn’t mean your kid has no role in how they behave and interact with others at school.

Well said. I’m afraid special needs mom just blew the lid off of the charade. There are certainly real disabilities that some children have, but I’m done with bad behavior getting included.

No other country in the world spends the $$$$$$$$$$ that we do coddling kids who can’t have everything they want, when they want it.

Now we see why no one can say what it is they think these kids need, because all these parents want is for their kid to be in charge, regardless of the consequences. No wonder why there’s no good place for them to be. It doesn’t exist. Anywhere.

No child can learn if they don’t want to learn. Their behavior must first get under control.

They probably need a few routine chores around the house. But wait, my kid doesn’t like chores. Chores don’t make him happy. And, he’ll probably throw something at you if you ask him again. So best not to set him off.

So I’ll just say it: stop being stupid. Most of these badly behaving kids have more brains than most of their special needs parents.

Some of it can be resolved with good parenting and good teachers but if it’s a mental health or medical issue, a few chores will not fix that.

A consistent routine that includes daily chores is good parenting. A kid who shows up to kindergarten with severe behavior problems (barring mental illness) has been poorly parented.

How often do we see parents making excuses for their kids. all. day. long?
This is the most dangerous kind of parent. They often have untreated mental illness.

You are so clueless. Sure it could be parenting, but it could be due to drug or alcoholic exposure, undiagnosed mental illness, medical issues, needs not being met at school….

Let’s say it yet again for you:
Violent mentally sick children need MEDICAL attention. Schools don’t have physicians to treat sick children. Schools are for LEARNING, not for treating sick children.

This is not complicated, people.

Physicians rarely treat mental illness. Schools are supposed to provide educational services to all kids, including those with physical and mental disabilities and medical needs. It is complicated as these kids don't need doctors and they need trained professionals in ABA, speech, ot, pt, soicla workers, therapists, special ed, and much more.

Violent mental illnesses demand psychiatric intervention. Sick untreated children do not belong in school.

You aren’t allowed to have children with fevers in school either.

Kids undergoing treatments for chronic conditions regularly go to school, even when they require substantial support. Or you suggesting we shut down the Longview School, too?

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Anonymous wrote:SESES Family Poster -

For 16:58, respectfully, I don't think I can answer the questions about reasonable environment taxpayers should provide. We're living the process and it's harrowing and daunting. I would start from the point of what needs to these kids have and what services match the needs. Then it becomes a demand/supply question and then funding.

Also, we're at a point where we're continuing to understand our little one, learning about experiences from other families, and outcomes achieved. So I don't have a crystal ball about what model works, let alone if that model or models works for all.

Here are responses to your other questions:

As we’ve heard from dozens of seasoned educators on this forum, the issue of classroom violence is skyrocketing. What do you feel is going on?
I can only comment on our experience, which I don't think is representative of the population. I provided an example of what happens with our LO in the original post. IMO, it's a mismatch between needs and curriculum/instruction. Then there is escalation when LO isn't able to maintain the same as gen ed peers. Also, we've had a hell of a time with medication. We've dealt with multiple psychiatrists who all take a try and see approach. In IMO, we saw an increase of behavioral issues as we tried new medications and dosages. It was a nightmare.

What has helped your child the most? Any particular individual, or method? Is your son’s father in the home? How does he respond to the violence? How do you respond?
For us, letting our LO recharge outside of school was very helpful. Providing lots of options for preferred activities and socialization helped most. Also, I'm LOs father. Further, I think your questions about responding to violence miss the point. Once there's escalation to the point of violence, there's very little that can be done in the moment. Understanding the cues and deescalation is essential. Keeping calm and showing empathy is essential.

Do you believe the other children in the classroom feel safe when they come to school? How should they be protected from assault?
I think these questions are for staff and specialists that have observed incidents and families of gen ed kids. What I can say is that my LO and other kids at school are friendly toward each other. LO is looking to have positive relationships and feels depressed after a dysregulated episode. The more is happens, the bigger the hole is to get out.


Again, I'm hoping that sharing our story helps to provide more context.

Agree with this poster. When our DC was 6 and was showing similar signs we BEGGED to be seen. Everyone was brushing us off. A totally useless psychiatrist ata reputable pediatrician's office just basically diagnosed DC with ODD and called it a day. It was only after pushing and pushing did we get to someone who could really help. We also have rsources, not everyone does.

Who really helped? What did they do?

Meds + therapy + supports at school (with an advocate at our IEP meetings).

What supports?

A school
With a guidance counselor and principal
Who get special education, a Homeroom teacher who gets SEL and is supported by leadership, a great paraedicator. People who
Are willing to look out for my kid when other kids purposely try to rile them up to get a reaction.

You do realize how vague and unspecific this is, right?

What does “gets” SEL mean in terms of tangible criteria? How do you screen for that and measure for it?

Also, where is the accountability on your child’s part? Being a special Ed student doesn’t mean your kid has no role in how they behave and interact with others at school.

Well said. I’m afraid special needs mom just blew the lid off of the charade. There are certainly real disabilities that some children have, but I’m done with bad behavior getting included.

No other country in the world spends the $$$$$$$$$$ that we do coddling kids who can’t have everything they want, when they want it.

Now we see why no one can say what it is they think these kids need, because all these parents want is for their kid to be in charge, regardless of the consequences. No wonder why there’s no good place for them to be. It doesn’t exist. Anywhere.

No child can learn if they don’t want to learn. Their behavior must first get under control.

They probably need a few routine chores around the house. But wait, my kid doesn’t like chores. Chores don’t make him happy. And, he’ll probably throw something at you if you ask him again. So best not to set him off.

So I’ll just say it: stop being stupid. Most of these badly behaving kids have more brains than most of their special needs parents.

Some of it can be resolved with good parenting and good teachers but if it’s a mental health or medical issue, a few chores will not fix that.

A consistent routine that includes daily chores is good parenting. A kid who shows up to kindergarten with severe behavior problems (barring mental illness) has been poorly parented.

How often do we see parents making excuses for their kids. all. day. long?
This is the most dangerous kind of parent. They often have untreated mental illness.

You are so clueless. Sure it could be parenting, but it could be due to drug or alcoholic exposure, undiagnosed mental illness, medical issues, needs not being met at school….

NP. Sure, but if it’s really a serious issue as you claim then those kids shouldn’t be in mainstream schools. Kids should not be forced to go to school and sit with people who behave like animals because they have mental illness or brain damage from alcohol or drug exposure. There really needs to be special facilities for those kids who pose a threat to others and essentially have no hope of recovery or ever fitting in with mainstream kids. Refusing to acknowledge this is what is destroying our public school system.

+1000
And nothing will change until more parents demand changes to ensure safety for ALL!

It all comes back to money. The vocal poster here wants to segregate kids with disabilities in self-contained programs. That's theoretically possible, but expensive. If were willing to spend more money, we could safely accomodate many kids in their current settings at lesser cost. But it is even cheaper to ignore their needs, so that's what is often done by schools.

Some of these kids need to be in self-contained programs but MCPS got rid of many of them.

Yes, because they're expensive.

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Anonymous wrote:SESES Family Poster -

For 16:58, respectfully, I don't think I can answer the questions about reasonable environment taxpayers should provide. We're living the process and it's harrowing and daunting. I would start from the point of what needs to these kids have and what services match the needs. Then it becomes a demand/supply question and then funding.

Also, we're at a point where we're continuing to understand our little one, learning about experiences from other families, and outcomes achieved. So I don't have a crystal ball about what model works, let alone if that model or models works for all.

Here are responses to your other questions:

As we’ve heard from dozens of seasoned educators on this forum, the issue of classroom violence is skyrocketing. What do you feel is going on?
I can only comment on our experience, which I don't think is representative of the population. I provided an example of what happens with our LO in the original post. IMO, it's a mismatch between needs and curriculum/instruction. Then there is escalation when LO isn't able to maintain the same as gen ed peers. Also, we've had a hell of a time with medication. We've dealt with multiple psychiatrists who all take a try and see approach. In IMO, we saw an increase of behavioral issues as we tried new medications and dosages. It was a nightmare.

What has helped your child the most? Any particular individual, or method? Is your son’s father in the home? How does he respond to the violence? How do you respond?
For us, letting our LO recharge outside of school was very helpful. Providing lots of options for preferred activities and socialization helped most. Also, I'm LOs father. Further, I think your questions about responding to violence miss the point. Once there's escalation to the point of violence, there's very little that can be done in the moment. Understanding the cues and deescalation is essential. Keeping calm and showing empathy is essential.

Do you believe the other children in the classroom feel safe when they come to school? How should they be protected from assault?
I think these questions are for staff and specialists that have observed incidents and families of gen ed kids. What I can say is that my LO and other kids at school are friendly toward each other. LO is looking to have positive relationships and feels depressed after a dysregulated episode. The more is happens, the bigger the hole is to get out.


Again, I'm hoping that sharing our story helps to provide more context.

Agree with this poster. When our DC was 6 and was showing similar signs we BEGGED to be seen. Everyone was brushing us off. A totally useless psychiatrist ata reputable pediatrician's office just basically diagnosed DC with ODD and called it a day. It was only after pushing and pushing did we get to someone who could really help. We also have rsources, not everyone does.

Who really helped? What did they do?

Meds + therapy + supports at school (with an advocate at our IEP meetings).

What supports?

A school
With a guidance counselor and principal
Who get special education, a Homeroom teacher who gets SEL and is supported by leadership, a great paraedicator. People who
Are willing to look out for my kid when other kids purposely try to rile them up to get a reaction.

You do realize how vague and unspecific this is, right?

What does “gets” SEL mean in terms of tangible criteria? How do you screen for that and measure for it?

Also, where is the accountability on your child’s part? Being a special Ed student doesn’t mean your kid has no role in how they behave and interact with others at school.

Well said. I’m afraid special needs mom just blew the lid off of the charade. There are certainly real disabilities that some children have, but I’m done with bad behavior getting included.

No other country in the world spends the $$$$$$$$$$ that we do coddling kids who can’t have everything they want, when they want it.

Now we see why no one can say what it is they think these kids need, because all these parents want is for their kid to be in charge, regardless of the consequences. No wonder why there’s no good place for them to be. It doesn’t exist. Anywhere.

No child can learn if they don’t want to learn. Their behavior must first get under control.

They probably need a few routine chores around the house. But wait, my kid doesn’t like chores. Chores don’t make him happy. And, he’ll probably throw something at you if you ask him again. So best not to set him off.

So I’ll just say it: stop being stupid. Most of these badly behaving kids have more brains than most of their special needs parents.

Some of it can be resolved with good parenting and good teachers but if it’s a mental health or medical issue, a few chores will not fix that.

A consistent routine that includes daily chores is good parenting. A kid who shows up to kindergarten with severe behavior problems (barring mental illness) has been poorly parented.

How often do we see parents making excuses for their kids. all. day. long?
This is the most dangerous kind of parent. They often have untreated mental illness.

You are so clueless. Sure it could be parenting, but it could be due to drug or alcoholic exposure, undiagnosed mental illness, medical issues, needs not being met at school….

NP. Sure, but if it’s really a serious issue as you claim then those kids shouldn’t be in mainstream schools. Kids should not be forced to go to school and sit with people who behave like animals because they have mental illness or brain damage from alcohol or drug exposure. There really needs to be special facilities for those kids who pose a threat to others and essentially have no hope of recovery or ever fitting in with mainstream kids. Refusing to acknowledge this is what is destroying our public school system.

+1000
And nothing will change until more parents demand changes to ensure safety for ALL!

It all comes back to money. The vocal poster here wants to segregate kids with disabilities in self-contained programs. That's theoretically possible, but expensive. If were willing to spend more money, we could safely accomodate many kids in their current settings at lesser cost. But it is even cheaper to ignore their needs, so that's what is often done by schools.

Some of these kids need to be in self-contained programs but MCPS got rid of many of them.

Yes, because they're expensive.

It’s far cheaper to help kids when they are young vs prison or other things

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For 16:58, respectfully, I don't think I can answer the questions about reasonable environment taxpayers should provide. We're living the process and it's harrowing and daunting. I would start from the point of what needs to these kids have and what services match the needs. Then it becomes a demand/supply question and then funding.

Also, we're at a point where we're continuing to understand our little one, learning about experiences from other families, and outcomes achieved. So I don't have a crystal ball about what model works, let alone if that model or models works for all.

Here are responses to your other questions:

As we’ve heard from dozens of seasoned educators on this forum, the issue of classroom violence is skyrocketing. What do you feel is going on?
I can only comment on our experience, which I don't think is representative of the population. I provided an example of what happens with our LO in the original post. IMO, it's a mismatch between needs and curriculum/instruction. Then there is escalation when LO isn't able to maintain the same as gen ed peers. Also, we've had a hell of a time with medication. We've dealt with multiple psychiatrists who all take a try and see approach. In IMO, we saw an increase of behavioral issues as we tried new medications and dosages. It was a nightmare.

What has helped your child the most? Any particular individual, or method? Is your son’s father in the home? How does he respond to the violence? How do you respond?
For us, letting our LO recharge outside of school was very helpful. Providing lots of options for preferred activities and socialization helped most. Also, I'm LOs father. Further, I think your questions about responding to violence miss the point. Once there's escalation to the point of violence, there's very little that can be done in the moment. Understanding the cues and deescalation is essential. Keeping calm and showing empathy is essential.

Do you believe the other children in the classroom feel safe when they come to school? How should they be protected from assault?
I think these questions are for staff and specialists that have observed incidents and families of gen ed kids. What I can say is that my LO and other kids at school are friendly toward each other. LO is looking to have positive relationships and feels depressed after a dysregulated episode. The more is happens, the bigger the hole is to get out.


Again, I'm hoping that sharing our story helps to provide more context.

Agree with this poster. When our DC was 6 and was showing similar signs we BEGGED to be seen. Everyone was brushing us off. A totally useless psychiatrist ata reputable pediatrician's office just basically diagnosed DC with ODD and called it a day. It was only after pushing and pushing did we get to someone who could really help. We also have rsources, not everyone does.

Who really helped? What did they do?

Meds + therapy + supports at school (with an advocate at our IEP meetings).

What supports?

A school
With a guidance counselor and principal
Who get special education, a Homeroom teacher who gets SEL and is supported by leadership, a great paraedicator. People who
Are willing to look out for my kid when other kids purposely try to rile them up to get a reaction.

You do realize how vague and unspecific this is, right?

What does “gets” SEL mean in terms of tangible criteria? How do you screen for that and measure for it?

Also, where is the accountability on your child’s part? Being a special Ed student doesn’t mean your kid has no role in how they behave and interact with others at school.

Well said. I’m afraid special needs mom just blew the lid off of the charade. There are certainly real disabilities that some children have, but I’m done with bad behavior getting included.

No other country in the world spends the $$$$$$$$$$ that we do coddling kids who can’t have everything they want, when they want it.

Now we see why no one can say what it is they think these kids need, because all these parents want is for their kid to be in charge, regardless of the consequences. No wonder why there’s no good place for them to be. It doesn’t exist. Anywhere.

No child can learn if they don’t want to learn. Their behavior must first get under control.

They probably need a few routine chores around the house. But wait, my kid doesn’t like chores. Chores don’t make him happy. And, he’ll probably throw something at you if you ask him again. So best not to set him off.

So I’ll just say it: stop being stupid. Most of these badly behaving kids have more brains than most of their special needs parents.

Some of it can be resolved with good parenting and good teachers but if it’s a mental health or medical issue, a few chores will not fix that.

A consistent routine that includes daily chores is good parenting. A kid who shows up to kindergarten with severe behavior problems (barring mental illness) has been poorly parented.

How often do we see parents making excuses for their kids. all. day. long?
This is the most dangerous kind of parent. They often have untreated mental illness.

You are so clueless. Sure it could be parenting, but it could be due to drug or alcoholic exposure, undiagnosed mental illness, medical issues, needs not being met at school….

Let’s say it yet again for you:
Violent mentally sick children need MEDICAL attention. Schools don’t have physicians to treat sick children. Schools are for LEARNING, not for treating sick children.

This is not complicated, people.

Physicians rarely treat mental illness. Schools are supposed to provide educational services to all kids, including those with physical and mental disabilities and medical needs. It is complicated as these kids don't need doctors and they need trained professionals in ABA, speech, ot, pt, soicla workers, therapists, special ed, and much more.

Violent mental illnesses demand psychiatric intervention. Sick untreated children do not belong in school.

You aren’t allowed to have children with fevers in school either.

Kids go to school sick all the time. Mcps shut down the mva so kids lost their school who had health issues. This is about mental health which is very different.

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Anonymous wrote:SESES Family Poster -

For 16:58, respectfully, I don't think I can answer the questions about reasonable environment taxpayers should provide. We're living the process and it's harrowing and daunting. I would start from the point of what needs to these kids have and what services match the needs. Then it becomes a demand/supply question and then funding.

Also, we're at a point where we're continuing to understand our little one, learning about experiences from other families, and outcomes achieved. So I don't have a crystal ball about what model works, let alone if that model or models works for all.

Here are responses to your other questions:

As we’ve heard from dozens of seasoned educators on this forum, the issue of classroom violence is skyrocketing. What do you feel is going on?
I can only comment on our experience, which I don't think is representative of the population. I provided an example of what happens with our LO in the original post. IMO, it's a mismatch between needs and curriculum/instruction. Then there is escalation when LO isn't able to maintain the same as gen ed peers. Also, we've had a hell of a time with medication. We've dealt with multiple psychiatrists who all take a try and see approach. In IMO, we saw an increase of behavioral issues as we tried new medications and dosages. It was a nightmare.

What has helped your child the most? Any particular individual, or method? Is your son’s father in the home? How does he respond to the violence? How do you respond?
For us, letting our LO recharge outside of school was very helpful. Providing lots of options for preferred activities and socialization helped most. Also, I'm LOs father. Further, I think your questions about responding to violence miss the point. Once there's escalation to the point of violence, there's very little that can be done in the moment. Understanding the cues and deescalation is essential. Keeping calm and showing empathy is essential.

Do you believe the other children in the classroom feel safe when they come to school? How should they be protected from assault?
I think these questions are for staff and specialists that have observed incidents and families of gen ed kids. What I can say is that my LO and other kids at school are friendly toward each other. LO is looking to have positive relationships and feels depressed after a dysregulated episode. The more is happens, the bigger the hole is to get out.


Again, I'm hoping that sharing our story helps to provide more context.

Agree with this poster. When our DC was 6 and was showing similar signs we BEGGED to be seen. Everyone was brushing us off. A totally useless psychiatrist ata reputable pediatrician's office just basically diagnosed DC with ODD and called it a day. It was only after pushing and pushing did we get to someone who could really help. We also have rsources, not everyone does.

Who really helped? What did they do?

Meds + therapy + supports at school (with an advocate at our IEP meetings).

What supports?

A school
With a guidance counselor and principal
Who get special education, a Homeroom teacher who gets SEL and is supported by leadership, a great paraedicator. People who
Are willing to look out for my kid when other kids purposely try to rile them up to get a reaction.

You do realize how vague and unspecific this is, right?

What does “gets” SEL mean in terms of tangible criteria? How do you screen for that and measure for it?

Also, where is the accountability on your child’s part? Being a special Ed student doesn’t mean your kid has no role in how they behave and interact with others at school.

Well said. I’m afraid special needs mom just blew the lid off of the charade. There are certainly real disabilities that some children have, but I’m done with bad behavior getting included.

No other country in the world spends the $$$$$$$$$$ that we do coddling kids who can’t have everything they want, when they want it.

Now we see why no one can say what it is they think these kids need, because all these parents want is for their kid to be in charge, regardless of the consequences. No wonder why there’s no good place for them to be. It doesn’t exist. Anywhere.

No child can learn if they don’t want to learn. Their behavior must first get under control.

They probably need a few routine chores around the house. But wait, my kid doesn’t like chores. Chores don’t make him happy. And, he’ll probably throw something at you if you ask him again. So best not to set him off.

So I’ll just say it: stop being stupid. Most of these badly behaving kids have more brains than most of their special needs parents.

Some of it can be resolved with good parenting and good teachers but if it’s a mental health or medical issue, a few chores will not fix that.

A consistent routine that includes daily chores is good parenting. A kid who shows up to kindergarten with severe behavior problems (barring mental illness) has been poorly parented.

How often do we see parents making excuses for their kids. all. day. long?
This is the most dangerous kind of parent. They often have untreated mental illness.

You are so clueless. Sure it could be parenting, but it could be due to drug or alcoholic exposure, undiagnosed mental illness, medical issues, needs not being met at school….

NP. Sure, but if it’s really a serious issue as you claim then those kids shouldn’t be in mainstream schools. Kids should not be forced to go to school and sit with people who behave like animals because they have mental illness or brain damage from alcohol or drug exposure. There really needs to be special facilities for those kids who pose a threat to others and essentially have no hope of recovery or ever fitting in with mainstream kids. Refusing to acknowledge this is what is destroying our public school system.

+1000
And nothing will change until more parents demand changes to ensure safety for ALL!

It all comes back to money. The vocal poster here wants to segregate kids with disabilities in self-contained programs. That's theoretically possible, but expensive. If were willing to spend more money, we could safely accomodate many kids in their current settings at lesser cost. But it is even cheaper to ignore their needs, so that's what is often done by schools.

Some of these kids need to be in self-contained programs but MCPS got rid of many of them.

Yes, because they're expensive.

It’s far cheaper to help kids when they are young vs prison or other things

Yes, but MCPS doesn't bear those other costs, so they don't care.

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Anonymous wrote:SESES Family Poster -

For 16:58, respectfully, I don't think I can answer the questions about reasonable environment taxpayers should provide. We're living the process and it's harrowing and daunting. I would start from the point of what needs to these kids have and what services match the needs. Then it becomes a demand/supply question and then funding.

Also, we're at a point where we're continuing to understand our little one, learning about experiences from other families, and outcomes achieved. So I don't have a crystal ball about what model works, let alone if that model or models works for all.

Here are responses to your other questions:

As we’ve heard from dozens of seasoned educators on this forum, the issue of classroom violence is skyrocketing. What do you feel is going on?
I can only comment on our experience, which I don't think is representative of the population. I provided an example of what happens with our LO in the original post. IMO, it's a mismatch between needs and curriculum/instruction. Then there is escalation when LO isn't able to maintain the same as gen ed peers. Also, we've had a hell of a time with medication. We've dealt with multiple psychiatrists who all take a try and see approach. In IMO, we saw an increase of behavioral issues as we tried new medications and dosages. It was a nightmare.

What has helped your child the most? Any particular individual, or method? Is your son’s father in the home? How does he respond to the violence? How do you respond?
For us, letting our LO recharge outside of school was very helpful. Providing lots of options for preferred activities and socialization helped most. Also, I'm LOs father. Further, I think your questions about responding to violence miss the point. Once there's escalation to the point of violence, there's very little that can be done in the moment. Understanding the cues and deescalation is essential. Keeping calm and showing empathy is essential.

Do you believe the other children in the classroom feel safe when they come to school? How should they be protected from assault?
I think these questions are for staff and specialists that have observed incidents and families of gen ed kids. What I can say is that my LO and other kids at school are friendly toward each other. LO is looking to have positive relationships and feels depressed after a dysregulated episode. The more is happens, the bigger the hole is to get out.


Again, I'm hoping that sharing our story helps to provide more context.

Agree with this poster. When our DC was 6 and was showing similar signs we BEGGED to be seen. Everyone was brushing us off. A totally useless psychiatrist ata reputable pediatrician's office just basically diagnosed DC with ODD and called it a day. It was only after pushing and pushing did we get to someone who could really help. We also have rsources, not everyone does.

Who really helped? What did they do?

Meds + therapy + supports at school (with an advocate at our IEP meetings).

What supports?

A school
With a guidance counselor and principal
Who get special education, a Homeroom teacher who gets SEL and is supported by leadership, a great paraedicator. People who
Are willing to look out for my kid when other kids purposely try to rile them up to get a reaction.

You do realize how vague and unspecific this is, right?

What does “gets” SEL mean in terms of tangible criteria? How do you screen for that and measure for it?

Also, where is the accountability on your child’s part? Being a special Ed student doesn’t mean your kid has no role in how they behave and interact with others at school.

Well said. I’m afraid special needs mom just blew the lid off of the charade. There are certainly real disabilities that some children have, but I’m done with bad behavior getting included.

No other country in the world spends the $$$$$$$$$$ that we do coddling kids who can’t have everything they want, when they want it.

Now we see why no one can say what it is they think these kids need, because all these parents want is for their kid to be in charge, regardless of the consequences. No wonder why there’s no good place for them to be. It doesn’t exist. Anywhere.

No child can learn if they don’t want to learn. Their behavior must first get under control.

They probably need a few routine chores around the house. But wait, my kid doesn’t like chores. Chores don’t make him happy. And, he’ll probably throw something at you if you ask him again. So best not to set him off.

So I’ll just say it: stop being stupid. Most of these badly behaving kids have more brains than most of their special needs parents.

Some of it can be resolved with good parenting and good teachers but if it’s a mental health or medical issue, a few chores will not fix that.

A consistent routine that includes daily chores is good parenting. A kid who shows up to kindergarten with severe behavior problems (barring mental illness) has been poorly parented.

How often do we see parents making excuses for their kids. all. day. long?
This is the most dangerous kind of parent. They often have untreated mental illness.

You are so clueless. Sure it could be parenting, but it could be due to drug or alcoholic exposure, undiagnosed mental illness, medical issues, needs not being met at school….

Let’s say it yet again for you:
Violent mentally sick children need MEDICAL attention. Schools don’t have physicians to treat sick children. Schools are for LEARNING, not for treating sick children.

This is not complicated, people.

Physicians rarely treat mental illness. Schools are supposed to provide educational services to all kids, including those with physical and mental disabilities and medical needs. It is complicated as these kids don't need doctors and they need trained professionals in ABA, speech, ot, pt, soicla workers, therapists, special ed, and much more.

Violent mental illnesses demand psychiatric intervention. Sick untreated children do not belong in school.

You aren’t allowed to have children with fevers in school either.

Kids go to school sick all the time. Mcps shut down the mva so kids lost their school who had health issues. This is about mental health which is very different.

What?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone should know this garbage is happening in public schools across America. I’ll never forget the teacher who got her ribs kicked in by a violent “special needs” kids.

The kid’s mother didn’t even have an apology for the victim, even though she barely survived the beating she got — for dedicating her entire life to teaching kids.

This never existed before the Department of Education decided violent kids should be awarded special protections.

School attackers don’t have a real disability. They have unaddressed/unregulated temper tantrums. That spoiled little toddler stomping his feet and throwing his toys around the house, eventually can turn into a behemoth mad person with real power over you. Girls and women are their targets.

Never give into demanding children, or they can become monsters.

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For 16:58, respectfully, I don't think I can answer the questions about reasonable environment taxpayers should provide. We're living the process and it's harrowing and daunting. I would start from the point of what needs to these kids have and what services match the needs. Then it becomes a demand/supply question and then funding.

Also, we're at a point where we're continuing to understand our little one, learning about experiences from other families, and outcomes achieved. So I don't have a crystal ball about what model works, let alone if that model or models works for all.

Here are responses to your other questions:

As we’ve heard from dozens of seasoned educators on this forum, the issue of classroom violence is skyrocketing. What do you feel is going on?
I can only comment on our experience, which I don't think is representative of the population. I provided an example of what happens with our LO in the original post. IMO, it's a mismatch between needs and curriculum/instruction. Then there is escalation when LO isn't able to maintain the same as gen ed peers. Also, we've had a hell of a time with medication. We've dealt with multiple psychiatrists who all take a try and see approach. In IMO, we saw an increase of behavioral issues as we tried new medications and dosages. It was a nightmare.

What has helped your child the most? Any particular individual, or method? Is your son’s father in the home? How does he respond to the violence? How do you respond?
For us, letting our LO recharge outside of school was very helpful. Providing lots of options for preferred activities and socialization helped most. Also, I'm LOs father. Further, I think your questions about responding to violence miss the point. Once there's escalation to the point of violence, there's very little that can be done in the moment. Understanding the cues and deescalation is essential. Keeping calm and showing empathy is essential.

Do you believe the other children in the classroom feel safe when they come to school? How should they be protected from assault?
I think these questions are for staff and specialists that have observed incidents and families of gen ed kids. What I can say is that my LO and other kids at school are friendly toward each other. LO is looking to have positive relationships and feels depressed after a dysregulated episode. The more is happens, the bigger the hole is to get out.


Again, I'm hoping that sharing our story helps to provide more context.

Agree with this poster. When our DC was 6 and was showing similar signs we BEGGED to be seen. Everyone was brushing us off. A totally useless psychiatrist ata reputable pediatrician's office just basically diagnosed DC with ODD and called it a day. It was only after pushing and pushing did we get to someone who could really help. We also have rsources, not everyone does.

Who really helped? What did they do?

Meds + therapy + supports at school (with an advocate at our IEP meetings).

What supports?

A school
With a guidance counselor and principal
Who get special education, a Homeroom teacher who gets SEL and is supported by leadership, a great paraedicator. People who
Are willing to look out for my kid when other kids purposely try to rile them up to get a reaction.

You do realize how vague and unspecific this is, right?

What does “gets” SEL mean in terms of tangible criteria? How do you screen for that and measure for it?

Also, where is the accountability on your child’s part? Being a special Ed student doesn’t mean your kid has no role in how they behave and interact with others at school.

Well said. I’m afraid special needs mom just blew the lid off of the charade. There are certainly real disabilities that some children have, but I’m done with bad behavior getting included.

No other country in the world spends the $$$$$$$$$$ that we do coddling kids who can’t have everything they want, when they want it.

Now we see why no one can say what it is they think these kids need, because all these parents want is for their kid to be in charge, regardless of the consequences. No wonder why there’s no good place for them to be. It doesn’t exist. Anywhere.

No child can learn if they don’t want to learn. Their behavior must first get under control.

They probably need a few routine chores around the house. But wait, my kid doesn’t like chores. Chores don’t make him happy. And, he’ll probably throw something at you if you ask him again. So best not to set him off.

So I’ll just say it: stop being stupid. Most of these badly behaving kids have more brains than most of their special needs parents.

Some of it can be resolved with good parenting and good teachers but if it’s a mental health or medical issue, a few chores will not fix that.

A consistent routine that includes daily chores is good parenting. A kid who shows up to kindergarten with severe behavior problems (barring mental illness) has been poorly parented.

How often do we see parents making excuses for their kids. all. day. long?
This is the most dangerous kind of parent. They often have untreated mental illness.

You are so clueless. Sure it could be parenting, but it could be due to drug or alcoholic exposure, undiagnosed mental illness, medical issues, needs not being met at school….

NP. Sure, but if it’s really a serious issue as you claim then those kids shouldn’t be in mainstream schools. Kids should not be forced to go to school and sit with people who behave like animals because they have mental illness or brain damage from alcohol or drug exposure. There really needs to be special facilities for those kids who pose a threat to others and essentially have no hope of recovery or ever fitting in with mainstream kids. Refusing to acknowledge this is what is destroying our public school system.

+1000
And nothing will change until more parents demand changes to ensure safety for ALL!

It all comes back to money. The vocal poster here wants to segregate kids with disabilities in self-contained programs. That's theoretically possible, but expensive. If were willing to spend more money, we could safely accomodate many kids in their current settings at lesser cost. But it is even cheaper to ignore their needs, so that's what is often done by schools.

Some of these kids need to be in self-contained programs but MCPS got rid of many of them.

Yes, because they're expensive.

No, because of low test scores.