Do parents choose Latin/BASIS over Deal/J-R?

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for digging up these good stats.

Yeah, just as we thought. Hardly anybody in-boundary for Deal bothers with BASIS.

Interesting that Latin attracts quite a few in-boundary for Deal. That doesn't surprise me since Latin's classes are smaller than Deal's, its cohorts are much smaller, and its demographic are comparable.

There are only 250 kids in the entire HS. What % of them would you expect to attend?

BASIS HS had 248 students in SY23-24 per enrollment audit. Of all students at BASIS HS:
40% IB for Eastern
13% IB for Dunbar
8% IB for Roosevelt
7% IB for MacArthur
5% IB for Jackson-Reed
4% IB for Anacostia
4% IB for Ballou

That's 5% of all students IB for Eastern at BASIS, 3% of all students IB for MacArthur at BASIS, 1% of all students IB for Dunbar at BASIS, and less than 1% at the other schools.

Latin HS had 356 students in SY23-24. Of all students at Latin HS:
28% IB for Eastern
24% IB for Roosevelt
12% IB for Dunbar
10% IB for Jackson-Reed
9% IB for Coolidge
5% IB for Anacostia
4% IB for Woodson
4% IB for MacArthur

That's 6% of all students IB for Eastern at Latin, 4% of all students IB for Roosevelt at Latin, 3% of all students IB for MacArthur at Latin, 2% of all students IB for Jackson-Reed at Latin, 2% of all students IB for Coolidge at Latin, 2% of all students IB for Dunbar at Latin, and less than 1% at the other schools.

Interesting to me that the percentage is so low in bounds for Dunbar, because Dunbar has a huge boundary.

It's because Basis is majority-motivated Capitol Hill families. I don't know how the lottery works and why possibly you are at an advantage if higher income/more motivated.

[Anonymous]

My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The truth of the matter is that families in bound for Deal (WOTP) or DCI (EOTP) that pick Latin is because their kid needs smaller class sizes due to needing more handholding for various reasons - mediocre academic performing, poor executive functioning skills, IEP, shy/introverted and will get lost in bigger school, etc

Both Deal and DCI not only offers much more breadth, variety, and more offerings in academic programming not just for top performers but all students. They also offer better facilities, sports, clubs, etc…

It’s much harder and more competitive to be top of the heap at a bigger school with good cohort of top performers then smaller school with not as many. You also need to have better social and executive functioning skills at the bigger schools to navigate things.

Weird DCI booster not understanding it’s not an IB school? Many Capitol Hill parents would and do “choose” Latin over DCI, but they’re typically not in direct competition because of differing entry years/the feeder situation for DCI. This whole post doesn’t make a ton of sense.

As I said above, these are the kids who just don’t speak spanish. The weakest students at our feeder did okay at Latin. This is no shade, foreign languages aren’t for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

+1. It’s true. The weakest kids in the language are usually also the weaker kids in core subjects and they leave immersion completely hence take Latin instead of continuing on.

It makes sense because being fluent in another language is a bonus not requirement and not at cost of core academics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

Latin actually has much better middle school math CAPE scores than DCI.

Overall meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 56% (220/391)
DCI - 33% (250/754)

Algebra I meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 49% (32/66)
DCI - less than 10

Geometry meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 90% (35/39)
DCI - 31% (18/58)

I think DCI and Latin are both perfectly fine schools. I only pulled these numbers so that it's clear to others that you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

Latin actually has much better middle school math CAPE scores than DCI.

Overall meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 56% (220/391)
DCI - 33% (250/754)

Algebra I meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 49% (32/66)
DCI - less than 10

Geometry meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 90% (35/39)
DCI - 31% (18/58)

I think DCI and Latin are both perfectly fine schools. I only pulled these numbers so that it's clear to others that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Thank you for doing this and your comment! It is amazing how people speculate when they in reality know nothing. Every child does well in different places/schools/situations. A child doesn't have to be less motivated to want to go to a certain school or more motivated because they go to a certain school. As long as your child is happy, worry about them and not trying to make others feel a certain way because they didn't make the same choice for their child! BASIS, DCI and Latin are a great fit for who they are a great fit for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

What a weirdly negative post. In my experience, and I know a lot of Latin kids, Basis kids, and DCI kids, the Latin families are by far the happiest and complain the least about their school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

Latin actually has much better middle school math CAPE scores than DCI.

Overall meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 56% (220/391)
DCI - 33% (250/754)

Algebra I meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 49% (32/66)
DCI - less than 10

Geometry meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 90% (35/39)
DCI - 31% (18/58)

I think DCI and Latin are both perfectly fine schools. I only pulled these numbers so that it's clear to others that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can’t extrapolate the data above to say that the weaker kids from feeders are not going to Latin.

You actually need to know the kids and where they stand academically.

The data above skews majority non feeder, non immersion kids.

Latin also has significantly less at risk kids. Plus DCI offers more advance math tracks at middle school and I would want to know what percentage of kids of any are not even taking CAPE. Lastly IB math is different in that some of the topics are combined and not as delineated as traditional track

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

Latin actually has much better middle school math CAPE scores than DCI.

Overall meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 56% (220/391)
DCI - 33% (250/754)

Algebra I meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 49% (32/66)
DCI - less than 10

Geometry meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 90% (35/39)
DCI - 31% (18/58)

I think DCI and Latin are both perfectly fine schools. I only pulled these numbers so that it's clear to others that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can’t extrapolate the data above to say that the weaker kids from feeders are not going to Latin.

You actually need to know the kids and where they stand academically.

The data above skews majority non feeder, non immersion kids.

Latin also has significantly less at risk kids. Plus DCI offers more advance math tracks at middle school and I would want to know what percentage of kids of any are not even taking CAPE. Lastly IB math is different in that some of the topics are combined and not as delineated as traditional track

DCI is 19% at risk. Latin is 11%.

Both schools offer advanced math. As you can see from the MS scores above, Latin has a fair number of students taking both Algebra I and Geometry. In fact, from the CAPE testing it appears that more Latin students than DCI students are taking advanced math in middle school, even though DCI has nearly double the student population.

Almost all students are taking math CAPE at the middle school level. Latin MS had 393 enrolled, of which 391 took CAPE. DCI MS had 777 enrolled, of which 754 took CAPE.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

What a weirdly negative post. In my experience, and I know a lot of Latin kids, Basis kids, and DCI kids, the Latin families are by far the happiest and complain the least about their school.

So much negativity! We are at Latin and our kid has been very happy there. But we also know folks at Deal and privates who are happy. We know a few people who tried Basis but only 1-2 are still there in 8th. Maybe this is good news that there are lots of decent options out there?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

Latin actually has much better middle school math CAPE scores than DCI.

Overall meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 56% (220/391)
DCI - 33% (250/754)

Algebra I meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 49% (32/66)
DCI - less than 10

Geometry meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 90% (35/39)
DCI - 31% (18/58)

I think DCI and Latin are both perfectly fine schools. I only pulled these numbers so that it's clear to others that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can’t extrapolate the data above to say that the weaker kids from feeders are not going to Latin.

You actually need to know the kids and where they stand academically.

The data above skews majority non feeder, non immersion kids.

Latin also has significantly less at risk kids. Plus DCI offers more advance math tracks at middle school and I would want to know what percentage of kids of any are not even taking CAPE. Lastly IB math is different in that some of the topics are combined and not as delineated as traditional track

DCI is 19% at risk. Latin is 11%.

Both schools offer advanced math. As you can see from the MS scores above, Latin has a fair number of students taking both Algebra I and Geometry. In fact, from the CAPE testing it appears that more Latin students than DCI students are taking advanced math in middle school, even though DCI has nearly double the student population.

Almost all students are taking math CAPE at the middle school level. Latin MS had 393 enrolled, of which 391 took CAPE. DCI MS had 777 enrolled, of which 754 took CAPE.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

+1

I think PP is mixing up math CAPE for HS versus MS. In HS the most advanced kids do not take CAPE. In MS all kids take CAPE (unless some parents opt out, or kids have very special circumstances where they don’t take it).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

What a weirdly negative post. In my experience, and I know a lot of Latin kids, Basis kids, and DCI kids, the Latin families are by far the happiest and complain the least about their school.

I hear that. It’s also just less stressful. Smaller class sizes, not as intense, easier for kids. I hear basis kids complaining all the time. It’s exhausting. I think it’s a more pleasant experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

Latin actually has much better middle school math CAPE scores than DCI.

Overall meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 56% (220/391)
DCI - 33% (250/754)

Algebra I meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 49% (32/66)
DCI - less than 10

Geometry meeting or exceeding in MS:
Latin - 90% (35/39)
DCI - 31% (18/58)

I think DCI and Latin are both perfectly fine schools. I only pulled these numbers so that it's clear to others that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can’t extrapolate the data above to say that the weaker kids from feeders are not going to Latin.

You actually need to know the kids and where they stand academically.

The data above skews majority non feeder, non immersion kids.

Latin also has significantly less at risk kids. Plus DCI offers more advance math tracks at middle school and I would want to know what percentage of kids of any are not even taking CAPE. Lastly IB math is different in that some of the topics are combined and not as delineated as traditional track

DCI is 19% at risk. Latin is 11%.

Both schools offer advanced math. As you can see from the MS scores above, Latin has a fair number of students taking both Algebra I and Geometry. In fact, from the CAPE testing it appears that more Latin students than DCI students are taking advanced math in middle school, even though DCI has nearly double the student population.

Almost all students are taking math CAPE at the middle school level. Latin MS had 393 enrolled, of which 391 took CAPE. DCI MS had 777 enrolled, of which 754 took CAPE.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Latin has one advanced math track, dci has several. You cannot compare the math offered at Deal and DCI to Latin. Latin has other positives, relax.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

What a weirdly negative post. In my experience, and I know a lot of Latin kids, Basis kids, and DCI kids, the Latin families are by far the happiest and complain the least about their school.

So much negativity! We are at Latin and our kid has been very happy there. But we also know folks at Deal and privates who are happy. We know a few people who tried Basis but only 1-2 are still there in 8th. Maybe this is good news that there are lots of decent options out there?

There is no negativity. I think you won’t be happy unless people are praising Latin and saying it’s the best. It’s not a good fit for kids who are good at languages and the math/science depts are weak. But it’s so great for kids who like a smaller school and a less intense experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My multiple kids are at a dci feeder and dci. We are happy with dci. The only kids who chose Latin over dci were the kids who were already struggling with the admittedly weak academics at our feeder. The kids who still didn’t speak spanish after 8 years of immersion clearly were going to continue to struggle at dci. Latin is just a better fit for kids who aren’t super academically focused, not terribly motivated, and aren’t the kid of kids who will do well in IB math. Some kids need small class sizes and don’t need the added challenge of multiple languages.

What a weirdly negative post. In my experience, and I know a lot of Latin kids, Basis kids, and DCI kids, the Latin families are by far the happiest and complain the least about their school.

I hear that. It’s also just less stressful. Smaller class sizes, not as intense, easier for kids. I hear basis kids complaining all the time. It’s exhausting. I think it’s a more pleasant experience.

Our friends at Latin do seem less stressed and happier, and when asked I recommend Latin everyone with no reservations, even though we are at BASIS and strongly prefer it to Latin and would not switch. I do recommend BASIS to kids who I think would thrive there. But Latin seems like a good spot for almost every kind of kid.