NYT: "Peak College Admissions Insanity"

[Anonymous]

Why are people taking this seriously? It's an opinion piece by a former Trump official in the Ed dept. It's not an actual article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are people taking this seriously? It's an opinion piece by a former Trump official in the Ed dept. It's not an actual article.

Something to talk about and comment on.

DCUM is nothing but a slew of Op-Eds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are people taking this seriously? It's an opinion piece by a former Trump official in the Ed dept. It's not an actual article.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go look up what the Under Secretary of the US Dept of Education does. The author is also a lawyer. I dont know him but generalized anti-trump ignorant statements like this drive me crazy. Educate yourself before posting and stop with the generalized comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people taking this seriously? It's an opinion piece by a former Trump official in the Ed dept. It's not an actual article.

Something to talk about and comment on.

DCUM is nothing but a slew of Op-Eds.

Nevertheless it's the NYTimes. And by the Under Secretary of the US Dept of Education for four years (no. 2). Perhaps, just perhaps, he knows more than the silly cackling women on this site

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought it was good and covered all bases, except one, that I continue to rant about.

Part of the reason there is so much competition for the top schools is because so-called elite employers only recruit from them. We need companies to see that there are tons of bright students everywhere. Just look at the girl profiled in the article who is clearly smart and likely has a ton of grit. She's going to Hunter College where no investment bank or MBB would ever look to hire from. Until that mindset is broken, things will not change.

It said she ended up getting a full-ride from Wesleyan at the last minute, so she is going there. Believe that is on these companies' target list.

Also, I believe that City University in NY is a big feeder of employees to Wall Street. I bet Hunter does OK too because of location. Both I assume hire kids as interns and then extend FT offers to the kids that do well.

Sadly nope. I worked at a top bank, and we didn’t recruit from either. Lots of the admins and executive assistants had gone to Hunter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The girl in the article is wealthy, a legacy with perfect test scores, great grades, and private school education PS -12th. Plus the parent has donated to Dartmouth for more than 20 years. I think she’ll be fine.

The point in the article is that perfect children get rejected, but I’d be a little embarrassed being the example of the perfect child here.

Agreed—hopefully the other students at school were supportive. That’s a lot of personal info to share…

And she has been sharing a lot recently, not just in this article. I think that's the point. The "perfect" applicant doesn't really exist. You can have a pretty close to perfect on paper applicant but just where are they perfect for? And, there are now so many, that that striving to be perfect doesn't really matter anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The girl in the article is wealthy, a legacy with perfect test scores, great grades, and private school education PS -12th. Plus the parent has donated to Dartmouth for more than 20 years. I think she’ll be fine.

The point in the article is that perfect children get rejected, but I’d be a little embarrassed being the example of the perfect child here.

Agreed—hopefully the other students at school were supportive. That’s a lot of personal info to share…

She seems like a great kid and deserving--but all I could come away with was----yeah-you were legacy. Period. Plenty of kids with higher stats/ECs got rejected because they didn't have that bump.

So the same kid w.out the legacy would be telling a different story in that article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought it was good and covered all bases, except one, that I continue to rant about.

Part of the reason there is so much competition for the top schools is because so-called elite employers only recruit from them. We need companies to see that there are tons of bright students everywhere. Just look at the girl profiled in the article who is clearly smart and likely has a ton of grit. She's going to Hunter College where no investment bank or MBB would ever look to hire from. Until that mindset is broken, things will not change.

It said she ended up getting a full-ride from Wesleyan at the last minute, so she is going there. Believe that is on these companies' target list.

Also, I believe that City University in NY is a big feeder of employees to Wall Street. I bet Hunter does OK too because of location. Both I assume hire kids as interns and then extend FT offers to the kids that do well.

Baruch, CUNY Honors, and Hunter are all on the elite employers' radar as they are filled with kids who graduated at the top of NYC's SHS (= selective HS) with parents - often immigrant middle class small business owners - who cannot afford to send them to HYPSM. We know a limo driver who really wanted his daughter to go to Harvard, but she was offered a full ride to CUNY Honors and had an internship the summer BEFORE she started college. They have 2 more kids so CUNY made the most sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought it was good and covered all bases, except one, that I continue to rant about.

Part of the reason there is so much competition for the top schools is because so-called elite employers only recruit from them. We need companies to see that there are tons of bright students everywhere. Just look at the girl profiled in the article who is clearly smart and likely has a ton of grit. She's going to Hunter College where no investment bank or MBB would ever look to hire from. Until that mindset is broken, things will not change.

It said she ended up getting a full-ride from Wesleyan at the last minute, so she is going there. Believe that is on these companies' target list.

Also, I believe that City University in NY is a big feeder of employees to Wall Street. I bet Hunter does OK too because of location. Both I assume hire kids as interns and then extend FT offers to the kids that do well.

Sadly nope. I worked at a top bank, and we didn’t recruit from either. Lots of the admins and executive assistants had gone to Hunter.

when was that? you may be dating yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people taking this seriously? It's an opinion piece by a former Trump official in the Ed dept. It's not an actual article.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go look up what the Under Secretary of the US Dept of Education does. The author is also a lawyer. I dont know him but generalized anti-trump ignorant statements like this drive me crazy. Educate yourself before posting and stop with the generalized comments.

Did you read the more recent article about how NYT approached other people trying to get them to write a doom and gloom article before arriving that this person? The author isn't really the one who came up with this.

https://www.insidehighered.com/newsletter/sandbox/narrow-views-paper-record

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people taking this seriously? It's an opinion piece by a former Trump official in the Ed dept. It's not an actual article.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go look up what the Under Secretary of the US Dept of Education does. The author is also a lawyer. I dont know him but generalized anti-trump ignorant statements like this drive me crazy. Educate yourself before posting and stop with the generalized comments.

Did you read the more recent article about how NYT approached other people trying to get them to write a doom and gloom article before arriving that this person? The author isn't really the one who came up with this.

https://www.insidehighered.com/newsletter/sandbox/narrow-views-paper-record

I'm interested but you need to be a paying subscriber.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people taking this seriously? It's an opinion piece by a former Trump official in the Ed dept. It's not an actual article.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go look up what the Under Secretary of the US Dept of Education does. The author is also a lawyer. I dont know him but generalized anti-trump ignorant statements like this drive me crazy. Educate yourself before posting and stop with the generalized comments.

Did you read the more recent article about how NYT approached other people trying to get them to write a doom and gloom article before arriving that this person? The author isn't really the one who came up with this.

https://www.insidehighered.com/newsletter/sandbox/narrow-views-paper-record

I'm interested but you need to be a paying subscriber.

Same, could you summarize, PP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people taking this seriously? It's an opinion piece by a former Trump official in the Ed dept. It's not an actual article.

Something to talk about and comment on.

DCUM is nothing but a slew of Op-Eds.

Nevertheless it's the NYTimes. And by the Under Secretary of the US Dept of Education for four years (no. 2). Perhaps, just perhaps, he knows more than the silly cackling women on this site

Hi misogynist! No one wants to hear how women are silly and should just shut up and listen to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She seems like a great kid and deserving--but all I could come away with was----yeah-you were legacy. Period. Plenty of kids with higher stats/ECs got rejected because they didn't have that bump.

So the same kid w.out the legacy would be telling a different story in that article.

Not really, because she was also admitted to Johns Hopkins in addition to Dartmouth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people taking this seriously? It's an opinion piece by a former Trump official in the Ed dept. It's not an actual article.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go look up what the Under Secretary of the US Dept of Education does. The author is also a lawyer. I dont know him but generalized anti-trump ignorant statements like this drive me crazy. Educate yourself before posting and stop with the generalized comments.

Seriously? You do know who the Secretary of Ed was under Trump, right? And, since when is being a lawyer proof of any kind of educational expertise? You don't even need to know who appointed him to see his heavy bias and lack of interest in facts. It's clear in the op ed.

But, nice try with the spin.