Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the senate kills the filibuster, I would expect DC to become a state within 10 hours of Dem control.

why would dems take control? They are not very popular outside of the dc metro area. it looks like the virgina and new jersey gov races that are lowouts for the dems is very close, this should give everyone pause

While "democrats" writ large may not be popular, the issues and positions they support have well over 50% and in many cases 75%+ support. It is mostly the GOP media eco-system that tears down and lies and doesn't provide nuance that has killed the democrats. They simply cannot communicate their way out of a paper bag. Anyone says "DEI" or "CRT" or "defund the police" or "socialists and communists" or "Biden Inc" and everyone knows what they are talking about, no matter how much gaslighting and lying goes behind those terms. The Dems, for whatever reason, simply don't have the capacity to match that level of media definition and penetration to keep up.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think the Dems want the Pubs to end the filibuster so maybe they should end the shutdown?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the Dems want the Pubs to end the filibuster so maybe they should end the shutdown?

Many Republicans don't want to end the filibuster because some of them are pragmatic enough to understand they might lose the majority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the Dems want the Pubs to end the filibuster so maybe they should end the shutdown?

Yes, the republicans should but they are protecting the trumpstein documents.

They are also just sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only takes 51 votes to nuke the filibuster

If the Republicans get rid of the filibuster, they will absolutely tamper with elections to win.

They already are, but understood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the Dems want the Pubs to end the filibuster so maybe they should end the shutdown?

I think Rs have a choice to make. Keep the filibuster and stop doing end runs around it when it's convenient. Or just get rid of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Only takes 51 votes to nuke the filibuster

The Senate Majority Leader needs to allow a vote on the rule change. If the Majority Leader refuses to bring the issue to the flood, it will never happen.

Frankly, I think Thune would resign his spot as Majority Leader before allowing a vote on a full range that nukes the filibuster (even if only for CRs/budgets).

Rules changes require a 2/3 vote.

No, they don't. McConnell got rid of the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees with way less than that.

Technically what he and Reid did were not rules changes.

Rules changes take 2/3 vote. There is a "nuclear option" Trump wants Thune to go nuclear. Thune says he is committed to the filibuster but has repeatedly sidestepped it.

Formal rule change: The most direct way is to formally amend the text of Senate rules, like Rule 22, which governs cloture. This requires a two-thirds majority vote of senators present and voting, which is a high bar.

Precedent change ("nuclear option"): A more plausible method is to use the "nuclear option," where a senator raises a point of order against a rule, the presiding officer rules, and then a simple majority of the Senate votes to overturn the ruling, establishing a new precedent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the Dems want the Pubs to end the filibuster so maybe they should end the shutdown?

Many Republicans don't want to end the filibuster because some of them are pragmatic enough to understand they might lose the majority.

Looks like not for at leat ten or more years.

Not the Senate for sure and not the Hoyse either with all the redistricting and the anticipated SC decision in few months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the Dems want the Pubs to end the filibuster so maybe they should end the shutdown?

Many Republicans don't want to end the filibuster because some of them are pragmatic enough to understand they might lose the majority.

Looks like not for at leat ten or more years.

Not the Senate for sure and not the Hoyse either with all the redistricting and the anticipated SC decision in few months.

Things can change more quickly than you might think. Especially with a major economic disaster staring us down.

[Anonymous]

I think the UMC bubble is way intact. Market healthy. Until either in trouble, par for the course continues. Not saying it's right but those who move the needle need incentive as they say, unless it hurts you personally..

In terms of political constituents, maybe that's more sensitive issue but big pic, I just don't think the hyper paranoid among us need to start worrying just yet. Next year. Next year though....

Now is the time to prep not to sound the alarm yet. Get busy getting ready v stressing out already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the senate kills the filibuster, I would expect DC to become a state within 10 hours of Dem control.

why would dems take control? They are not very popular outside of the dc metro area. it looks like the virgina and new jersey gov races that are lowouts for the dems is very close, this should give everyone pause

While "democrats" writ large may not be popular, the issues and positions they support have well over 50% and in many cases 75%+ support. It is mostly the GOP media eco-system that tears down and lies and doesn't provide nuance that has killed the democrats. They simply cannot communicate their way out of a paper bag. Anyone says "DEI" or "CRT" or "defund the police" or "socialists and communists" or "Biden Inc" and everyone knows what they are talking about, no matter how much gaslighting and lying goes behind those terms. The Dems, for whatever reason, simply don't have the capacity to match that level of media definition and penetration to keep up.

Dems haven't had a leader who could effectively communicate to the American people since Obama left office. This is how silly GOP talking points gain traction. Needless to say, mumbling, bumbling Joe wasn't an effective communicator but neither is Trump at 80 years old and Dems need to do a better job of taking advantage of this glaring weakness in an elderly man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I knew the Senate wouldn’t do it. So then Trump needs to be presidential and convene congressional leaders (from both sides) to discuss a deal/path forward.

He can't because he wants a permanent recess because once there is a vote to release unredacted Epstein files trump is in deep human excrement! Pedophilia, rape, and money laundering for Epstein. He doesn't have immunity for any of these crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the senate kills the filibuster, I would expect DC to become a state within 10 hours of Dem control.

why would dems take control? They are not very popular outside of the dc metro area. it looks like the virgina and new jersey gov races that are lowouts for the dems is very close, this should give everyone pause

While "democrats" writ large may not be popular, the issues and positions they support have well over 50% and in many cases 75%+ support. It is mostly the GOP media eco-system that tears down and lies and doesn't provide nuance that has killed the democrats. They simply cannot communicate their way out of a paper bag. Anyone says "DEI" or "CRT" or "defund the police" or "socialists and communists" or "Biden Inc" and everyone knows what they are talking about, no matter how much gaslighting and lying goes behind those terms. The Dems, for whatever reason, simply don't have the capacity to match that level of media definition and penetration to keep up.

Dems haven't had a leader who could effectively communicate to the American people since Obama left office. This is how silly GOP talking points gain traction. Needless to say, mumbling, bumbling Joe wasn't an effective communicator but neither is Trump at 80 years old and Dems need to do a better job of taking advantage of this glaring weakness in an elderly man.

No the Dems have to go against Fox News, Twitter, Facebook, Google and now TikTok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the senate kills the filibuster, I would expect DC to become a state within 10 hours of Dem control.

why would dems take control? They are not very popular outside of the dc metro area. it looks like the virgina and new jersey gov races that are lowouts for the dems is very close, this should give everyone pause

While "democrats" writ large may not be popular, the issues and positions they support have well over 50% and in many cases 75%+ support. It is mostly the GOP media eco-system that tears down and lies and doesn't provide nuance that has killed the democrats. They simply cannot communicate their way out of a paper bag. Anyone says "DEI" or "CRT" or "defund the police" or "socialists and communists" or "Biden Inc" and everyone knows what they are talking about, no matter how much gaslighting and lying goes behind those terms. The Dems, for whatever reason, simply don't have the capacity to match that level of media definition and penetration to keep up.

Dems haven't had a leader who could effectively communicate to the American people since Obama left office. This is how silly GOP talking points gain traction. Needless to say, mumbling, bumbling Joe wasn't an effective communicator but neither is Trump at 80 years old and Dems need to do a better job of taking advantage of this glaring weakness in an elderly man.

No the Dems have to go against Fox News, Twitter, Facebook, Google and now TikTok.

No one gives a damn what Fox News, MSNBC or any other garbage media source has to say when there is a legitimate leader in The White House. We haven't had a legitimate leader in almost a decade so there is a tendency for gullible people to take garbage media sources seriously.

[Anonymous]

Dear god I hope they keep the shutdown through November and all TSA and ATCs walk off the job during Thanksgiving week. Make all Americans feel the pain. Paralyze all travel for thanksgiving.