Dartmouth finally publishes their SAT data in the Common Data Set after dropping TO; white enrollment surges

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

This! DCUM seems to think that rural America is a bunch of idiots. Yes, these schools have several students who will go into the trades, but they still have a top 5% who are very educated and college ready. Please get out of your bubble!

College towns are not even remotely representative of “rural America”.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

When you don't get it and you don't want to get it. In many areas of the US including the area where I grew up a typical math or science teacher would be only marginally capable of teaching an AP level class in many cases.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

And if you're that farmer's daughter from Iowa you'll be leaps and bounds ahead of your family by going to University of Iowa. You don't need to to fly across the country to a place you're never been with people so different than you. But, guess what, the farmer's daughter's kids will be primed to reach the next rung. This is the way it's historically been to just try to do better than one's own parents. When did we decide some need to be catapulted to the top over others who may be more deserving or capable?

May be more deserving? And just how do you define deserving? By a test score?

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

And if you're that farmer's daughter from Iowa you'll be leaps and bounds ahead of your family by going to University of Iowa. You don't need to to fly across the country to a place you're never been with people so different than you. But, guess what, the farmer's daughter's kids will be primed to reach the next rung. This is the way it's historically been to just try to do better than one's own parents. When did we decide some need to be catapulted to the top over others who may be more deserving or capable?

May be more deserving? And just how do you define deserving? By a test score?

Give me the accomplished farm kid over a spoiled UMC kid with higher stats. Every single time.

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Anonymous wrote:Strivers: are Asian applicants now hooked at Dartmouth?

Affirmative Action ban and test required did not help Asian at all.

Funny because it all started after an Asian kid was shut out and claimed discrimination. That didn’t go as he planned!

(I’m Asian btw )

Oh it did go as planned, this was planned by white people in power who planned to manipulate Asian people. It’s like when MAGA manipulates low income whites into voting against their own best interest.

Well, let's see.

The asian population at Ivy schools had been stalled at ~20% for decades then the lawsuit started and in the last 10 years that number has gone up to 30% after decades of stagnation. Places like MIT saw their asian population grow from 30% to ~50%. Dartmouth is low but it has never really been a target for asians.

In the aftermath of the Supreme Court verdict we saw a lot of volatility and while some schools saw exactly the sort of racial shifts in their admitted class that their models predicted a few schools were able to maintain pretty much the same racial profile they always had. They are being sued again to enforce compliance with SFFA. Racists always resist efforts to stop their racism, because they are convinced in the virtue of their particular form of racism. Princeton seems to be reisting and yale in particular seems to be cooking the nooks.

Asians are 6-7% of 18 year olds. If 20-40% asian at HYP isn't high enough for the asian community, what % will they be satisfied with? 50%? 60%? 80%? Maybe as a country we just aim for 100% asian at HYP, also stanford and MIT? Would that settle this?