Two dogs killed & two women injured

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

This happened in my neighborhood, and I know the owners of the victim dog, a very sweet small/medium doodle mix that was always leashed on walks. The grapevine says the aggressor dog was a pit that apparently a neighborhood family was fostering (and doing a shockingly poor job of that, clearly).

People are out walking their dogs constantly around here, and everyone is shaken up and feeling horrible that our neighbor and her lovely dog had to endure this. We are all thinking about what we would or should have done if it happened to us. Does everyone else walk around their neighborhoods with bear or pepper spray just in case? Are those actually effective in dog attack scenarios?

Oh, goody. Gossip. That'll help.

This information is actually responsive to the thread topic, unlike the bizarre rants from the pit apologists.

I’m curious about what others do, if anything, to be prepared should they or their dog be attacked by a dangerous animal in their neighborhood?

1) leash your dog (no retractable leashes. 6ft max, 4 is better)
2) keep your dog under your control (by your side, quiet, focused, not wandering off-trail, not barking at passers-by)
3) stay alert and scan for hazards. You are on-duty. No headphones, no phone, stay present, eyes scanning for hazards (the more time you have to respond, the better your response is likely to be)
4) carry dog repel spray (something like this: https://www.amazon.com/REPELLENT-Repeller-Agressive-Attack-BICYCLE/dp/B01FYAIE80) and/or pepper spray and, most importantly, know how to use it
5) carry a walking stick or other 'break stick' in case you need to break up a fight so you're not using your hands/arms

But really? the first 3 will keep you safe. Most people invite trouble with an off-leash dog, or a dog that's too far outside their control, don't train their dogs not to bark ("don't start none, won't be none" applies in the dog world, too), and are half up their own backsides, talking on the phone, or texting, or...

Are you saying that if you ‘invite trouble’ by say, having your dog on a long lead while hiking that it’s okay that your ‘sweet pittie’ mauls that person and their dog to death?

Yes, fool, if you're inviting trouble by not having control of your dog, you become complicit in what happens to your dog. Same as if they get bit by a snake, get into poison ivy, or snap a leg in that gopher hole you would've avoided by having them on trail with you, like you should've.

The new dog owner's mentality of "close enough" isn't. There are rules for a reason, and if you care at all about your pet's well-being you should follow them. There are all sorts of actual liabilities you'll avoid by doing so; you don't need to make up horror stories about packs of mauling pit bulls.

Y'all treat this like it's playtime, when it's actually supposed to be taking responsibility for a living creature. No pride, no sense, just everything's a playzone and you can half-ass it.

The two women, the subject of this thread, were injured trying to save their poor doodle from the pit mix. Whether their doodle was heeling or 4 feet away from them, they couldn't save it and were injured themselves.

You're right that pitbulls are not "playtime". They are dangerous. And they are ubiquitous, on every neighborhood. Because of rescues.

You were there? You saw it? The two women weren't gossiping (like you) while their dog on a retractable leash started barking at an unleashed dog? You're sure of it?

No, you're not, because no, you weren't. And this is why nobody takes you haters seriously. You're so incredibly willing to talk out your arse and claim facts not in evidence, and you speak as if you know when you clearly do not.

Dog ownership is not playtime. Not any breed, not any size, not at any point. If you have different standards for different breeds, you're the problem. All dogs can bite, should be assumed to be unfriendly unless known, and all dog handlers should be focused on their dog(s), which should be under the owner's responsible control at all times.

This is how we keep ourselves, our dogs, and our neighbors safe.

And those young women shouldn’t wear such revealing clothes either. Basically inviting the rapists over to her.

No. One is an example of humans minding their business: women are allowed to dress however they please within the law. The other is an example of people not following the law (dogs are supposed to be under their owners control at all times).

On a leash is in control

On a retractable leash 10 feet away while you're on your phone is not in control.

Legally, morally, and ethically, it is.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter if they intentionally taunted the dog, imo. The dogs should be put down the owners charged. I don’t think you can ban dogs because this is America, but if your dog injures someone, there should be very serious consequences.

It very much does matter! You can't claim innocence when you're complicit. If you're also violating the law, then you're also guilty, specifically, you're complicit.

Y'all want to act like the rules don't apply evenly, they just excuse killing "pit bulls" and you sound absolutely mental.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

This happened in my neighborhood, and I know the owners of the victim dog, a very sweet small/medium doodle mix that was always leashed on walks. The grapevine says the aggressor dog was a pit that apparently a neighborhood family was fostering (and doing a shockingly poor job of that, clearly).

People are out walking their dogs constantly around here, and everyone is shaken up and feeling horrible that our neighbor and her lovely dog had to endure this. We are all thinking about what we would or should have done if it happened to us. Does everyone else walk around their neighborhoods with bear or pepper spray just in case? Are those actually effective in dog attack scenarios?

Oh, goody. Gossip. That'll help.

This information is actually responsive to the thread topic, unlike the bizarre rants from the pit apologists.

I’m curious about what others do, if anything, to be prepared should they or their dog be attacked by a dangerous animal in their neighborhood?

1) leash your dog (no retractable leashes. 6ft max, 4 is better)
2) keep your dog under your control (by your side, quiet, focused, not wandering off-trail, not barking at passers-by)
3) stay alert and scan for hazards. You are on-duty. No headphones, no phone, stay present, eyes scanning for hazards (the more time you have to respond, the better your response is likely to be)
4) carry dog repel spray (something like this: https://www.amazon.com/REPELLENT-Repeller-Agressive-Attack-BICYCLE/dp/B01FYAIE80) and/or pepper spray and, most importantly, know how to use it
5) carry a walking stick or other 'break stick' in case you need to break up a fight so you're not using your hands/arms

But really? the first 3 will keep you safe. Most people invite trouble with an off-leash dog, or a dog that's too far outside their control, don't train their dogs not to bark ("don't start none, won't be none" applies in the dog world, too), and are half up their own backsides, talking on the phone, or texting, or...

Are you saying that if you ‘invite trouble’ by say, having your dog on a long lead while hiking that it’s okay that your ‘sweet pittie’ mauls that person and their dog to death?

Yes, fool, if you're inviting trouble by not having control of your dog, you become complicit in what happens to your dog. Same as if they get bit by a snake, get into poison ivy, or snap a leg in that gopher hole you would've avoided by having them on trail with you, like you should've.

The new dog owner's mentality of "close enough" isn't. There are rules for a reason, and if you care at all about your pet's well-being you should follow them. There are all sorts of actual liabilities you'll avoid by doing so; you don't need to make up horror stories about packs of mauling pit bulls.

Y'all treat this like it's playtime, when it's actually supposed to be taking responsibility for a living creature. No pride, no sense, just everything's a playzone and you can half-ass it.

The two women, the subject of this thread, were injured trying to save their poor doodle from the pit mix. Whether their doodle was heeling or 4 feet away from them, they couldn't save it and were injured themselves.

You're right that pitbulls are not "playtime". They are dangerous. And they are ubiquitous, on every neighborhood. Because of rescues.

You were there? You saw it? The two women weren't gossiping (like you) while their dog on a retractable leash started barking at an unleashed dog? You're sure of it?

No, you're not, because no, you weren't. And this is why nobody takes you haters seriously. You're so incredibly willing to talk out your arse and claim facts not in evidence, and you speak as if you know when you clearly do not.

Dog ownership is not playtime. Not any breed, not any size, not at any point. If you have different standards for different breeds, you're the problem. All dogs can bite, should be assumed to be unfriendly unless known, and all dog handlers should be focused on their dog(s), which should be under the owner's responsible control at all times.

This is how we keep ourselves, our dogs, and our neighbors safe.

And those young women shouldn’t wear such revealing clothes either. Basically inviting the rapists over to her.

No. One is an example of humans minding their business: women are allowed to dress however they please within the law. The other is an example of people not following the law (dogs are supposed to be under their owners control at all times).

On a leash is in control

On a retractable leash 10 feet away while you're on your phone is not in control.

Legally, morally, and ethically, it is.

Again, saying it in the anon comments does not make it so. There are laws. Look them up. They don't say what you seem to think they (should) say.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been bitten once. By a lab.

Couldn't possibly have happened! Only pit bulls bite! Are you sure it actually bit you? Maybe it was 1% pit!!!

-pitbull psychosis sufferers

it's 35% of bites are pits or rotts
75% of fatal attacks are pits or rotts

Do your own research and provide stats that show i am wrong.

"I have no stats. If you want stats, you do the work I'm unwilling to do and unpack my ignorance for me. The reward for this unpaid labor will be me continuing to blather on about my crappy take, learning nothing, because I love my ignorance and have no good sense."

Tempting, but... no.

No thanks... any research I provide you you are going to make some inane assertion that the source is false. You were provide court cases all over the US that showed pits are dangerous, they were bread to be so, owners can't undo breeding... but "you are a volunteer" so that makes you an expert.

But you've only shown you are an expert in ignorance and the inability to take part in a conversation where you hold up your end of proving your point.

Your "research" does not show this point. At all. It also lumps all the dogs that 'look pit' under the same label. And here you are, lashing out at me instead of patching the holes in your own argument, which is why I already declined.

Be ignorant, if you like. I'd prefer you were also quiet, but you're not my responsibility (praise be).

The reality is pits were breed to fight and that is still in their breeding and your liberal heart is not going to stop the fact that this breed is dangerous (as well as a few others).

I don't think we should kill them but I do think their owners should have to prove every 2 years their dog can be in an area with other dogs and not attack.

If they attack they can't have the dog.

They also have a high prey drive and are easily triggered to attack in seemingly innocuous situations.

So do greyhounds

Let me know how many news articles you can find about greyhounds killing other dogs.

Took all of 20 seconds, slacker: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/moment-greyhounds-attack-and-kill-chihuahua-in-coventry-caught-on-camera/ar-BB1gX3CE

Complete with video. Dogs off leash, the on-leash dogs not under proper control... all the variables cited above, no "pit bulls"

Your move, chump.

Greyhounds have a high prey drive. But they didn't eat the poor Chihuahua.

More goalpost moving from the losers who can't just take the L and learn from it. You asked for an article about greyhounds killing dogs, and one was near-immediately provided for you. Do you adjust your position based on this new information? No.

This is a you problem.

No, I didn’t ask for an article; I said let me know [b]how many[b] you find. In fact, since pit bulls are 5 different breeds, feel free to compare the statistics for “pit bulls” versus sight hounds so it’s more fair.

I do not feel free to continue doing unpaid labor for your willfully-ignorant ass. I feel free to mock you, relentlessly, for your lack of critical thinking, arrogance, and stupidity.

So you're welcome to feel free to disenage, as I'll take further engagement as consent proceed as described.

Yes, the numbers will not compare favorably for pits, so you should duck out.

If anyone had these magical stats you keep alluding to, you'd have posted them. There'd be a comprehensive pinned post in this forum and all of you could just say "refer to the stats".

But they don't exist. Comments on DCUM do not facts make.

There were stats with cites posted upthread.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been bitten once. By a lab.

Couldn't possibly have happened! Only pit bulls bite! Are you sure it actually bit you? Maybe it was 1% pit!!!

-pitbull psychosis sufferers

it's 35% of bites are pits or rotts
75% of fatal attacks are pits or rotts

Do your own research and provide stats that show i am wrong.

"I have no stats. If you want stats, you do the work I'm unwilling to do and unpack my ignorance for me. The reward for this unpaid labor will be me continuing to blather on about my crappy take, learning nothing, because I love my ignorance and have no good sense."

Tempting, but... no.

No thanks... any research I provide you you are going to make some inane assertion that the source is false. You were provide court cases all over the US that showed pits are dangerous, they were bread to be so, owners can't undo breeding... but "you are a volunteer" so that makes you an expert.

But you've only shown you are an expert in ignorance and the inability to take part in a conversation where you hold up your end of proving your point.

Your "research" does not show this point. At all. It also lumps all the dogs that 'look pit' under the same label. And here you are, lashing out at me instead of patching the holes in your own argument, which is why I already declined.

Be ignorant, if you like. I'd prefer you were also quiet, but you're not my responsibility (praise be).

The reality is pits were breed to fight and that is still in their breeding and your liberal heart is not going to stop the fact that this breed is dangerous (as well as a few others).

I don't think we should kill them but I do think their owners should have to prove every 2 years their dog can be in an area with other dogs and not attack.

If they attack they can't have the dog.

They also have a high prey drive and are easily triggered to attack in seemingly innocuous situations.

So do greyhounds

Let me know how many news articles you can find about greyhounds killing other dogs.

Took all of 20 seconds, slacker: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/moment-greyhounds-attack-and-kill-chihuahua-in-coventry-caught-on-camera/ar-BB1gX3CE

Complete with video. Dogs off leash, the on-leash dogs not under proper control... all the variables cited above, no "pit bulls"

Your move, chump.

Greyhounds have a high prey drive. But they didn't eat the poor Chihuahua.

More goalpost moving from the losers who can't just take the L and learn from it. You asked for an article about greyhounds killing dogs, and one was near-immediately provided for you. Do you adjust your position based on this new information? No.

This is a you problem.

No, I didn’t ask for an article; I said let me know [b]how many[b] you find. In fact, since pit bulls are 5 different breeds, feel free to compare the statistics for “pit bulls” versus sight hounds so it’s more fair.

I do not feel free to continue doing unpaid labor for your willfully-ignorant ass. I feel free to mock you, relentlessly, for your lack of critical thinking, arrogance, and stupidity.

So you're welcome to feel free to disenage, as I'll take further engagement as consent proceed as described.

Yes, the numbers will not compare favorably for pits, so you should duck out.

If anyone had these magical stats you keep alluding to, you'd have posted them. There'd be a comprehensive pinned post in this forum and all of you could just say "refer to the stats".

But they don't exist. Comments on DCUM do not facts make.

There were stats with cites posted upthread.

And they were dissected and debunked upthread. Once again, the selective citations are being used to justify your position, but the full facts don't say what you're trying to say.

It gets old trying to deal with you when you don't deal in reality, facts, or good faith.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

This happened in my neighborhood, and I know the owners of the victim dog, a very sweet small/medium doodle mix that was always leashed on walks. The grapevine says the aggressor dog was a pit that apparently a neighborhood family was fostering (and doing a shockingly poor job of that, clearly).

People are out walking their dogs constantly around here, and everyone is shaken up and feeling horrible that our neighbor and her lovely dog had to endure this. We are all thinking about what we would or should have done if it happened to us. Does everyone else walk around their neighborhoods with bear or pepper spray just in case? Are those actually effective in dog attack scenarios?

Oh, goody. Gossip. That'll help.

This information is actually responsive to the thread topic, unlike the bizarre rants from the pit apologists.

I’m curious about what others do, if anything, to be prepared should they or their dog be attacked by a dangerous animal in their neighborhood?

1) leash your dog (no retractable leashes. 6ft max, 4 is better)
2) keep your dog under your control (by your side, quiet, focused, not wandering off-trail, not barking at passers-by)
3) stay alert and scan for hazards. You are on-duty. No headphones, no phone, stay present, eyes scanning for hazards (the more time you have to respond, the better your response is likely to be)
4) carry dog repel spray (something like this: https://www.amazon.com/REPELLENT-Repeller-Agressive-Attack-BICYCLE/dp/B01FYAIE80) and/or pepper spray and, most importantly, know how to use it
5) carry a walking stick or other 'break stick' in case you need to break up a fight so you're not using your hands/arms

But really? the first 3 will keep you safe. Most people invite trouble with an off-leash dog, or a dog that's too far outside their control, don't train their dogs not to bark ("don't start none, won't be none" applies in the dog world, too), and are half up their own backsides, talking on the phone, or texting, or...

Are you saying that if you ‘invite trouble’ by say, having your dog on a long lead while hiking that it’s okay that your ‘sweet pittie’ mauls that person and their dog to death?

Yes, fool, if you're inviting trouble by not having control of your dog, you become complicit in what happens to your dog. Same as if they get bit by a snake, get into poison ivy, or snap a leg in that gopher hole you would've avoided by having them on trail with you, like you should've.

The new dog owner's mentality of "close enough" isn't. There are rules for a reason, and if you care at all about your pet's well-being you should follow them. There are all sorts of actual liabilities you'll avoid by doing so; you don't need to make up horror stories about packs of mauling pit bulls.

Y'all treat this like it's playtime, when it's actually supposed to be taking responsibility for a living creature. No pride, no sense, just everything's a playzone and you can half-ass it.

The two women, the subject of this thread, were injured trying to save their poor doodle from the pit mix. Whether their doodle was heeling or 4 feet away from them, they couldn't save it and were injured themselves.

You're right that pitbulls are not "playtime". They are dangerous. And they are ubiquitous, on every neighborhood. Because of rescues.

You were there? You saw it? The two women weren't gossiping (like you) while their dog on a retractable leash started barking at an unleashed dog? You're sure of it?

No, you're not, because no, you weren't. And this is why nobody takes you haters seriously. You're so incredibly willing to talk out your arse and claim facts not in evidence, and you speak as if you know when you clearly do not.

Dog ownership is not playtime. Not any breed, not any size, not at any point. If you have different standards for different breeds, you're the problem. All dogs can bite, should be assumed to be unfriendly unless known, and all dog handlers should be focused on their dog(s), which should be under the owner's responsible control at all times.

This is how we keep ourselves, our dogs, and our neighbors safe.

And those young women shouldn’t wear such revealing clothes either. Basically inviting the rapists over to her.

No. One is an example of humans minding their business: women are allowed to dress however they please within the law. The other is an example of people not following the law (dogs are supposed to be under their owners control at all times).

On a leash is in control

On a retractable leash 10 feet away while you're on your phone is not in control.

Legally, morally, and ethically, it is.

NP. No, it is not legally, morally, or ethically "under control."

Most jurisdictions specify that a dog must be on a 6ft or shorter leash. And morally and ethically, it's not responsible, not safe, and not courteous to walk your dog on a long leash.

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How horrific. 😔 The women being attacked, the owner of the poor dog that was killed.

I wonder what, if anything, will happen to the owners of the attacking dogs.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

This happened in my neighborhood, and I know the owners of the victim dog, a very sweet small/medium doodle mix that was always leashed on walks. The grapevine says the aggressor dog was a pit that apparently a neighborhood family was fostering (and doing a shockingly poor job of that, clearly).

People are out walking their dogs constantly around here, and everyone is shaken up and feeling horrible that our neighbor and her lovely dog had to endure this. We are all thinking about what we would or should have done if it happened to us. Does everyone else walk around their neighborhoods with bear or pepper spray just in case? Are those actually effective in dog attack scenarios?

Oh, goody. Gossip. That'll help.

This information is actually responsive to the thread topic, unlike the bizarre rants from the pit apologists.

I’m curious about what others do, if anything, to be prepared should they or their dog be attacked by a dangerous animal in their neighborhood?

1) leash your dog (no retractable leashes. 6ft max, 4 is better)
2) keep your dog under your control (by your side, quiet, focused, not wandering off-trail, not barking at passers-by)
3) stay alert and scan for hazards. You are on-duty. No headphones, no phone, stay present, eyes scanning for hazards (the more time you have to respond, the better your response is likely to be)
4) carry dog repel spray (something like this: https://www.amazon.com/REPELLENT-Repeller-Agressive-Attack-BICYCLE/dp/B01FYAIE80) and/or pepper spray and, most importantly, know how to use it
5) carry a walking stick or other 'break stick' in case you need to break up a fight so you're not using your hands/arms

But really? the first 3 will keep you safe. Most people invite trouble with an off-leash dog, or a dog that's too far outside their control, don't train their dogs not to bark ("don't start none, won't be none" applies in the dog world, too), and are half up their own backsides, talking on the phone, or texting, or...

Are you saying that if you ‘invite trouble’ by say, having your dog on a long lead while hiking that it’s okay that your ‘sweet pittie’ mauls that person and their dog to death?

Yes, fool, if you're inviting trouble by not having control of your dog, you become complicit in what happens to your dog. Same as if they get bit by a snake, get into poison ivy, or snap a leg in that gopher hole you would've avoided by having them on trail with you, like you should've.

The new dog owner's mentality of "close enough" isn't. There are rules for a reason, and if you care at all about your pet's well-being you should follow them. There are all sorts of actual liabilities you'll avoid by doing so; you don't need to make up horror stories about packs of mauling pit bulls.

Y'all treat this like it's playtime, when it's actually supposed to be taking responsibility for a living creature. No pride, no sense, just everything's a playzone and you can half-ass it.

The two women, the subject of this thread, were injured trying to save their poor doodle from the pit mix. Whether their doodle was heeling or 4 feet away from them, they couldn't save it and were injured themselves.

You're right that pitbulls are not "playtime". They are dangerous. And they are ubiquitous, on every neighborhood. Because of rescues.

You were there? You saw it? The two women weren't gossiping (like you) while their dog on a retractable leash started barking at an unleashed dog? You're sure of it?

No, you're not, because no, you weren't. And this is why nobody takes you haters seriously. You're so incredibly willing to talk out your arse and claim facts not in evidence, and you speak as if you know when you clearly do not.

Dog ownership is not playtime. Not any breed, not any size, not at any point. If you have different standards for different breeds, you're the problem. All dogs can bite, should be assumed to be unfriendly unless known, and all dog handlers should be focused on their dog(s), which should be under the owner's responsible control at all times.

This is how we keep ourselves, our dogs, and our neighbors safe.

And those young women shouldn’t wear such revealing clothes either. Basically inviting the rapists over to her.

No. One is an example of humans minding their business: women are allowed to dress however they please within the law. The other is an example of people not following the law (dogs are supposed to be under their owners control at all times).

On a leash is in control

On a retractable leash 10 feet away while you're on your phone is not in control.

Legally, morally, and ethically, it is.

Again, saying it in the anon comments does not make it so. There are laws. Look them up. They don't say what you seem to think they (should) say.

At Large -

Any dog is at large if it is outside the owner’s premises and not leashed, unless it is a service dog, is in a dog exercise area designated by the Maryland National Capital Park and Planning Commission, or is participating in an approved activity.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/animalservices/oas/laws.html

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Can't even imagine.

The trauma that poor woman suffered, and the heroic efforts of a kind stranger.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

This happened in my neighborhood, and I know the owners of the victim dog, a very sweet small/medium doodle mix that was always leashed on walks. The grapevine says the aggressor dog was a pit that apparently a neighborhood family was fostering (and doing a shockingly poor job of that, clearly).

People are out walking their dogs constantly around here, and everyone is shaken up and feeling horrible that our neighbor and her lovely dog had to endure this. We are all thinking about what we would or should have done if it happened to us. Does everyone else walk around their neighborhoods with bear or pepper spray just in case? Are those actually effective in dog attack scenarios?

Oh, goody. Gossip. That'll help.

This information is actually responsive to the thread topic, unlike the bizarre rants from the pit apologists.

I’m curious about what others do, if anything, to be prepared should they or their dog be attacked by a dangerous animal in their neighborhood?

1) leash your dog (no retractable leashes. 6ft max, 4 is better)
2) keep your dog under your control (by your side, quiet, focused, not wandering off-trail, not barking at passers-by)
3) stay alert and scan for hazards. You are on-duty. No headphones, no phone, stay present, eyes scanning for hazards (the more time you have to respond, the better your response is likely to be)
4) carry dog repel spray (something like this: https://www.amazon.com/REPELLENT-Repeller-Agressive-Attack-BICYCLE/dp/B01FYAIE80) and/or pepper spray and, most importantly, know how to use it
5) carry a walking stick or other 'break stick' in case you need to break up a fight so you're not using your hands/arms

But really? the first 3 will keep you safe. Most people invite trouble with an off-leash dog, or a dog that's too far outside their control, don't train their dogs not to bark ("don't start none, won't be none" applies in the dog world, too), and are half up their own backsides, talking on the phone, or texting, or...

Are you saying that if you ‘invite trouble’ by say, having your dog on a long lead while hiking that it’s okay that your ‘sweet pittie’ mauls that person and their dog to death?

Yes, fool, if you're inviting trouble by not having control of your dog, you become complicit in what happens to your dog. Same as if they get bit by a snake, get into poison ivy, or snap a leg in that gopher hole you would've avoided by having them on trail with you, like you should've.

The new dog owner's mentality of "close enough" isn't. There are rules for a reason, and if you care at all about your pet's well-being you should follow them. There are all sorts of actual liabilities you'll avoid by doing so; you don't need to make up horror stories about packs of mauling pit bulls.

Y'all treat this like it's playtime, when it's actually supposed to be taking responsibility for a living creature. No pride, no sense, just everything's a playzone and you can half-ass it.

The two women, the subject of this thread, were injured trying to save their poor doodle from the pit mix. Whether their doodle was heeling or 4 feet away from them, they couldn't save it and were injured themselves.

You're right that pitbulls are not "playtime". They are dangerous. And they are ubiquitous, on every neighborhood. Because of rescues.

You were there? You saw it? The two women weren't gossiping (like you) while their dog on a retractable leash started barking at an unleashed dog? You're sure of it?

No, you're not, because no, you weren't. And this is why nobody takes you haters seriously. You're so incredibly willing to talk out your arse and claim facts not in evidence, and you speak as if you know when you clearly do not.

Dog ownership is not playtime. Not any breed, not any size, not at any point. If you have different standards for different breeds, you're the problem. All dogs can bite, should be assumed to be unfriendly unless known, and all dog handlers should be focused on their dog(s), which should be under the owner's responsible control at all times.

This is how we keep ourselves, our dogs, and our neighbors safe.

And those young women shouldn’t wear such revealing clothes either. Basically inviting the rapists over to her.

No. One is an example of humans minding their business: women are allowed to dress however they please within the law. The other is an example of people not following the law (dogs are supposed to be under their owners control at all times).

On a leash is in control

On a retractable leash 10 feet away while you're on your phone is not in control.

It’s absolutely under control and somebody needs to put you on a 10 foot retractable leash because you are out of control.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been bitten once. By a lab.

Couldn't possibly have happened! Only pit bulls bite! Are you sure it actually bit you? Maybe it was 1% pit!!!

-pitbull psychosis sufferers

it's 35% of bites are pits or rotts
75% of fatal attacks are pits or rotts

Do your own research and provide stats that show i am wrong.

"I have no stats. If you want stats, you do the work I'm unwilling to do and unpack my ignorance for me. The reward for this unpaid labor will be me continuing to blather on about my crappy take, learning nothing, because I love my ignorance and have no good sense."

Tempting, but... no.

No thanks... any research I provide you you are going to make some inane assertion that the source is false. You were provide court cases all over the US that showed pits are dangerous, they were bread to be so, owners can't undo breeding... but "you are a volunteer" so that makes you an expert.

But you've only shown you are an expert in ignorance and the inability to take part in a conversation where you hold up your end of proving your point.

Your "research" does not show this point. At all. It also lumps all the dogs that 'look pit' under the same label. And here you are, lashing out at me instead of patching the holes in your own argument, which is why I already declined.

Be ignorant, if you like. I'd prefer you were also quiet, but you're not my responsibility (praise be).

The reality is pits were breed to fight and that is still in their breeding and your liberal heart is not going to stop the fact that this breed is dangerous (as well as a few others).

I don't think we should kill them but I do think their owners should have to prove every 2 years their dog can be in an area with other dogs and not attack.

If they attack they can't have the dog.

They also have a high prey drive and are easily triggered to attack in seemingly innocuous situations.

So do greyhounds

Let me know how many news articles you can find about greyhounds killing other dogs.

Took all of 20 seconds, slacker: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/moment-greyhounds-attack-and-kill-chihuahua-in-coventry-caught-on-camera/ar-BB1gX3CE

Complete with video. Dogs off leash, the on-leash dogs not under proper control... all the variables cited above, no "pit bulls"

Your move, chump.

Greyhounds have a high prey drive. But they didn't eat the poor Chihuahua.

More goalpost moving from the losers who can't just take the L and learn from it. You asked for an article about greyhounds killing dogs, and one was near-immediately provided for you. Do you adjust your position based on this new information? No.

This is a you problem.

No, I didn’t ask for an article; I said let me know [b]how many[b] you find. In fact, since pit bulls are 5 different breeds, feel free to compare the statistics for “pit bulls” versus sight hounds so it’s more fair.

I do not feel free to continue doing unpaid labor for your willfully-ignorant ass. I feel free to mock you, relentlessly, for your lack of critical thinking, arrogance, and stupidity.

So you're welcome to feel free to disenage, as I'll take further engagement as consent proceed as described.

Yes, the numbers will not compare favorably for pits, so you should duck out.

If anyone had these magical stats you keep alluding to, you'd have posted them. There'd be a comprehensive pinned post in this forum and all of you could just say "refer to the stats".

But they don't exist. Comments on DCUM do not facts make.

There were stats with cites posted upthread.

And they were dissected and debunked upthread. Once again, the selective citations are being used to justify your position, but the full facts don't say what you're trying to say.

It gets old trying to deal with you when you don't deal in reality, facts, or good faith.

No, not debunked. Maybe you just didn't like them. But there were numbers. And they were bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

This happened in my neighborhood, and I know the owners of the victim dog, a very sweet small/medium doodle mix that was always leashed on walks. The grapevine says the aggressor dog was a pit that apparently a neighborhood family was fostering (and doing a shockingly poor job of that, clearly).

People are out walking their dogs constantly around here, and everyone is shaken up and feeling horrible that our neighbor and her lovely dog had to endure this. We are all thinking about what we would or should have done if it happened to us. Does everyone else walk around their neighborhoods with bear or pepper spray just in case? Are those actually effective in dog attack scenarios?

Oh, goody. Gossip. That'll help.

This information is actually responsive to the thread topic, unlike the bizarre rants from the pit apologists.

I’m curious about what others do, if anything, to be prepared should they or their dog be attacked by a dangerous animal in their neighborhood?

1) leash your dog (no retractable leashes. 6ft max, 4 is better)
2) keep your dog under your control (by your side, quiet, focused, not wandering off-trail, not barking at passers-by)
3) stay alert and scan for hazards. You are on-duty. No headphones, no phone, stay present, eyes scanning for hazards (the more time you have to respond, the better your response is likely to be)
4) carry dog repel spray (something like this: https://www.amazon.com/REPELLENT-Repeller-Agressive-Attack-BICYCLE/dp/B01FYAIE80) and/or pepper spray and, most importantly, know how to use it
5) carry a walking stick or other 'break stick' in case you need to break up a fight so you're not using your hands/arms

But really? the first 3 will keep you safe. Most people invite trouble with an off-leash dog, or a dog that's too far outside their control, don't train their dogs not to bark ("don't start none, won't be none" applies in the dog world, too), and are half up their own backsides, talking on the phone, or texting, or...

Are you saying that if you ‘invite trouble’ by say, having your dog on a long lead while hiking that it’s okay that your ‘sweet pittie’ mauls that person and their dog to death?

Yes, fool, if you're inviting trouble by not having control of your dog, you become complicit in what happens to your dog. Same as if they get bit by a snake, get into poison ivy, or snap a leg in that gopher hole you would've avoided by having them on trail with you, like you should've.

The new dog owner's mentality of "close enough" isn't. There are rules for a reason, and if you care at all about your pet's well-being you should follow them. There are all sorts of actual liabilities you'll avoid by doing so; you don't need to make up horror stories about packs of mauling pit bulls.

Y'all treat this like it's playtime, when it's actually supposed to be taking responsibility for a living creature. No pride, no sense, just everything's a playzone and you can half-ass it.

The two women, the subject of this thread, were injured trying to save their poor doodle from the pit mix. Whether their doodle was heeling or 4 feet away from them, they couldn't save it and were injured themselves.

You're right that pitbulls are not "playtime". They are dangerous. And they are ubiquitous, on every neighborhood. Because of rescues.

You were there? You saw it? The two women weren't gossiping (like you) while their dog on a retractable leash started barking at an unleashed dog? You're sure of it?

No, you're not, because no, you weren't. And this is why nobody takes you haters seriously. You're so incredibly willing to talk out your arse and claim facts not in evidence, and you speak as if you know when you clearly do not.

Dog ownership is not playtime. Not any breed, not any size, not at any point. If you have different standards for different breeds, you're the problem. All dogs can bite, should be assumed to be unfriendly unless known, and all dog handlers should be focused on their dog(s), which should be under the owner's responsible control at all times.

This is how we keep ourselves, our dogs, and our neighbors safe.

And those young women shouldn’t wear such revealing clothes either. Basically inviting the rapists over to her.

No. One is an example of humans minding their business: women are allowed to dress however they please within the law. The other is an example of people not following the law (dogs are supposed to be under their owners control at all times).

On a leash is in control

On a retractable leash 10 feet away while you're on your phone is not in control.

Legally, morally, and ethically, it is.

Again, saying it in the anon comments does not make it so. There are laws. Look them up. They don't say what you seem to think they (should) say.

At Large -

Any dog is at large if it is outside the owner’s premises and not leashed, unless it is a service dog, is in a dog exercise area designated by the Maryland National Capital Park and Planning Commission, or is participating in an approved activity.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/animalservices/oas/laws.html

You really do need the help...

Unwanted Contact -

The pet owner must prevent unwelcome or unsolicited threatening physical contact or close proximity to a person or a domestic animal that occurs outside the owner’s property that may cause alarm in a reasonable person, such as biting, chasing, tracking, inhibiting movement, or jumping. ($500 fine)

So if your retractable leash and/or inattention still results in your dog sniffing my crotch...

Having recently had cause to speak to animal control about this very same citation, I can relate that it also applies to your dog lunging at me, barking, or otherwise engaging me/my dog as we pass.

But the bigger problem here is that you literally on the right page, found what you thought was enough to justify your position and then... pooped out. Like your brain just shut down "got what I wanted" and then, zzzz...

This is a you problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we discuss the pit bull eating the dead dog in the yard??? I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never known one to eat a dead animal. What the hell is that? I’ve even had retrieving bird dogs. Was this dog starved? I just can’t imagine another dog killing and eating another.

Any IDs on the breed of the leashed dog that the pit killed?

This happened in my neighborhood, and I know the owners of the victim dog, a very sweet small/medium doodle mix that was always leashed on walks. The grapevine says the aggressor dog was a pit that apparently a neighborhood family was fostering (and doing a shockingly poor job of that, clearly).

People are out walking their dogs constantly around here, and everyone is shaken up and feeling horrible that our neighbor and her lovely dog had to endure this. We are all thinking about what we would or should have done if it happened to us. Does everyone else walk around their neighborhoods with bear or pepper spray just in case? Are those actually effective in dog attack scenarios?

Oh, goody. Gossip. That'll help.

This information is actually responsive to the thread topic, unlike the bizarre rants from the pit apologists.

I’m curious about what others do, if anything, to be prepared should they or their dog be attacked by a dangerous animal in their neighborhood?

1) leash your dog (no retractable leashes. 6ft max, 4 is better)
2) keep your dog under your control (by your side, quiet, focused, not wandering off-trail, not barking at passers-by)
3) stay alert and scan for hazards. You are on-duty. No headphones, no phone, stay present, eyes scanning for hazards (the more time you have to respond, the better your response is likely to be)
4) carry dog repel spray (something like this: https://www.amazon.com/REPELLENT-Repeller-Agressive-Attack-BICYCLE/dp/B01FYAIE80) and/or pepper spray and, most importantly, know how to use it
5) carry a walking stick or other 'break stick' in case you need to break up a fight so you're not using your hands/arms

But really? the first 3 will keep you safe. Most people invite trouble with an off-leash dog, or a dog that's too far outside their control, don't train their dogs not to bark ("don't start none, won't be none" applies in the dog world, too), and are half up their own backsides, talking on the phone, or texting, or...

Are you saying that if you ‘invite trouble’ by say, having your dog on a long lead while hiking that it’s okay that your ‘sweet pittie’ mauls that person and their dog to death?

Yes, fool, if you're inviting trouble by not having control of your dog, you become complicit in what happens to your dog. Same as if they get bit by a snake, get into poison ivy, or snap a leg in that gopher hole you would've avoided by having them on trail with you, like you should've.

The new dog owner's mentality of "close enough" isn't. There are rules for a reason, and if you care at all about your pet's well-being you should follow them. There are all sorts of actual liabilities you'll avoid by doing so; you don't need to make up horror stories about packs of mauling pit bulls.

Y'all treat this like it's playtime, when it's actually supposed to be taking responsibility for a living creature. No pride, no sense, just everything's a playzone and you can half-ass it.

The two women, the subject of this thread, were injured trying to save their poor doodle from the pit mix. Whether their doodle was heeling or 4 feet away from them, they couldn't save it and were injured themselves.

You're right that pitbulls are not "playtime". They are dangerous. And they are ubiquitous, on every neighborhood. Because of rescues.

You were there? You saw it? The two women weren't gossiping (like you) while their dog on a retractable leash started barking at an unleashed dog? You're sure of it?

No, you're not, because no, you weren't. And this is why nobody takes you haters seriously. You're so incredibly willing to talk out your arse and claim facts not in evidence, and you speak as if you know when you clearly do not.

Dog ownership is not playtime. Not any breed, not any size, not at any point. If you have different standards for different breeds, you're the problem. All dogs can bite, should be assumed to be unfriendly unless known, and all dog handlers should be focused on their dog(s), which should be under the owner's responsible control at all times.

This is how we keep ourselves, our dogs, and our neighbors safe.

And those young women shouldn’t wear such revealing clothes either. Basically inviting the rapists over to her.

No. One is an example of humans minding their business: women are allowed to dress however they please within the law. The other is an example of people not following the law (dogs are supposed to be under their owners control at all times).

On a leash is in control

On a retractable leash 10 feet away while you're on your phone is not in control.

Legally, morally, and ethically, it is.

Again, saying it in the anon comments does not make it so. There are laws. Look them up. They don't say what you seem to think they (should) say.

This happened in Montgomery County Maryland, and the law in Montgomery county Maryland is that that dog on the leash was legally in control

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Look, we don't know all the details. We don't know how the altercation started, if the other dog was being well controlled, whatever. We just don't know. We can argue all day about it but the truth is people are just making assumptions based on their own biases and preconceived opinions.

Here's what I do know:

Your dog, no matter what kind of dog it is, should never be off leash in a public area unless it is a designated off leash area that is clearly signed (so that people who don't want to be near off leash dogs can avoid it). Always. At the park. On a hiking trail. On the sidewalk in front of your house. If it's not a fenced yard or a designated dog park, your dog should be on a leash.

Dogs are animals. And even the most docile, loyal, sweet dog is capable of biting. Will they all kill another dog and then eat it? Obviously not. But are they capable of biting? Yes. And in particular we should all worry about dogs biting kids because kids (1) are less familiar with the dangers dogs pose, and (2) are physically closer to dogs and more likely to be bit somewhere bad. A dog might bite my hand if he's startled or aggravated by me. He will bit my 6 year old's face.

Leash your effing dog. There is no excuse. If I see an offleash dog, I assume he's a physical threat to me and my family. If you can't control your dog on a leash, your dog should be taken away. If your dog can get out of your yard and run around off leash, your dog should be taken away. If I see your dog off a leash, I will report you to animal control.

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In short, a lot of you who want to blame "pit bulls" probably aren't wiling to blame the responsible party, the owners, because you are also crappy, law-breaking dog owners.