Flying first/ business class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

+1

Cannot imagine paying for first class (I get economy plus type) if I have debt. Then again, it's likely that mentality that got them "into debt". I define debt as anything other than mortgage and car loan but in reality, I wouldn't personally pay for first class until I could pay cash for my cars (unless the loan is 0.9% or less).

Well you define debt differently than PP, who clearly stated in her follow up post that debt was mortgage/car loan/student loan. And you sound uptight.

Was debt free except for mortgage by 30 (paid cash for car of $40k that year), by time kids were 10-12 had enough in 529 for them.

So by 40 could start spending on “luxuries” without a concern

Financial freedom is an amazing thing. Now worth way more and can s freely spend on whatever we want

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:About six years ago I was flying economy from SFO to ORD and I had an aisle seat. In the middle seat was a 300 pounder who couldn’t help but spread out leaving me to lean over the aisle for five hours getting hit by carts and people walking by. The next morning my neck and back hurt like hell. I had recently retired and we are very high NW. Now I fly first class and while I hunt for the best deal I’m not flying in economy. I’m too old, too wealthy and too tired of flying in what has become a cattle car.

Airlines should charge by the pound. They charge for extra luggage!

Airlines should have each passenger get on the scale with all their luggage, including personal items, coats and carryons. Any passenger whose total body and luggage weight exceeds the
allowance should pay by the pound.

So we should publicly fat shame? Great idea! I can't imagine any knock on consequences from that.

Of course not, but why is it fair to me at 5 ft, 110 lbs that a stranger who is quite large spills in to my seat. It is not comfortable for me. I don’t know what the answer is.

Answer is simple. Hi fat shaming.

But a passenger must fit in their seat md not encroach on others. Otherwise you need to pay for an extra seat of first/business

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:About six years ago I was flying economy from SFO to ORD and I had an aisle seat. In the middle seat was a 300 pounder who couldn’t help but spread out leaving me to lean over the aisle for five hours getting hit by carts and people walking by. The next morning my neck and back hurt like hell. I had recently retired and we are very high NW. Now I fly first class and while I hunt for the best deal I’m not flying in economy. I’m too old, too wealthy and too tired of flying in what has become a cattle car.

Airlines should charge by the pound. They charge for extra luggage!

Airlines should have each passenger get on the scale with all their luggage, including personal items, coats and carryons. Any passenger whose total body and luggage weight exceeds the
allowance should pay by the pound.

So we should publicly fat shame? Great idea! I can't imagine any knock on consequences from that.

Of course not, but why is it fair to me at 5 ft, 110 lbs that a stranger who is quite large spills in to my seat. It is not comfortable for me. I don’t know what the answer is.

The answer is quite simple: YOU fly business class. This will ensure your neighboring seat mate is unlikely to spill into your seat, a scenario that you otherwise cannot predict or avoid. This is precisely why I only fly business and first class.

But I should not have to pay extra. All I want is to sit in the seat I paid for and not have someone else trying to utilize part of my space. They are the ones who should pay more

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:HHI 4 m last year, we now fly business when it’s overnight ( so we can sleep) but usually fly premium on return. We have three kids so it seems like a reasonable approach to us.

Amazing that with an HHI of $4M that you cannot afford to fly business or first class all the time. You must be operating a household budget at a wildly inefficient level. DH and I always fly business and first class in order to help subsidize airline operating costs so that the less fortunate members of society have access to more affordable economy fares. I guess I’m a little disgusted that someone making $4M per year is stealing away economy fares from families that can’t afford anything more. Do you also unnecessarily book ADA hotel rooms so that handicapped people cannot have them?!? Selfish trash.

Even this is beyond stupid, even for scum standards

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:HHI 4 m last year, we now fly business when it’s overnight ( so we can sleep) but usually fly premium on return. We have three kids so it seems like a reasonable approach to us.

Amazing that with an HHI of $4M that you cannot afford to fly business or first class all the time. You must be operating a household budget at a wildly inefficient level. DH and I always fly business and first class in order to help subsidize airline operating costs so that the less fortunate members of society have access to more affordable economy fares. I guess I’m a little disgusted that someone making $4M per year is stealing away economy fares from families that can’t afford anything more. Do you also unnecessarily book ADA hotel rooms so that handicapped people cannot have them?!? Selfish trash.

Even this is beyond stupid, even for scum standards

Pretty obvious parody, no?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:HHI 4 m last year, we now fly business when it’s overnight ( so we can sleep) but usually fly premium on return. We have three kids so it seems like a reasonable approach to us.

Amazing that with an HHI of $4M that you cannot afford to fly business or first class all the time. You must be operating a household budget at a wildly inefficient level. DH and I always fly business and first class in order to help subsidize airline operating costs so that the less fortunate members of society have access to more affordable economy fares. I guess I’m a little disgusted that someone making $4M per year is stealing away economy fares from families that can’t afford anything more. Do you also unnecessarily book ADA hotel rooms so that handicapped people cannot have them?!? Selfish trash.

What in the...?!
Did an airline guerilla marketing rep find this forum?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:HHI 4 m last year, we now fly business when it’s overnight ( so we can sleep) but usually fly premium on return. We have three kids so it seems like a reasonable approach to us.

Amazing that with an HHI of $4M that you cannot afford to fly business or first class all the time. You must be operating a household budget at a wildly inefficient level. DH and I always fly business and first class in order to help subsidize airline operating costs so that the less fortunate members of society have access to more affordable economy fares. I guess I’m a little disgusted that someone making $4M per year is stealing away economy fares from families that can’t afford anything more. Do you also unnecessarily book ADA hotel rooms so that handicapped people cannot have them?!? Selfish trash.

Even this is beyond stupid, even for scum standards

Pretty obvious parody, no?

Was that you? Bravo

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:HHI 4 m last year, we now fly business when it’s overnight ( so we can sleep) but usually fly premium on return. We have three kids so it seems like a reasonable approach to us.

Amazing that with an HHI of $4M that you cannot afford to fly business or first class all the time. You must be operating a household budget at a wildly inefficient level. DH and I always fly business and first class in order to help subsidize airline operating costs so that the less fortunate members of society have access to more affordable economy fares. I guess I’m a little disgusted that someone making $4M per year is stealing away economy fares from families that can’t afford anything more. Do you also unnecessarily book ADA hotel rooms so that handicapped people cannot have them?!? Selfish trash.

Even this is beyond stupid, even for scum standards

Pretty obvious parody, no?

Was that you? Bravo

Nope! Thought it was a little too on the nose, personally, but not bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if you really like working? We are trying to retire ASAP and would not be willing to work longer just to buy first class tickets.

I have calculated my retirement based on our need to afford four international round trip tickets a year. To me that is worth an extra year or so of work.

Are your kids not in school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:About six years ago I was flying economy from SFO to ORD and I had an aisle seat. In the middle seat was a 300 pounder who couldn’t help but spread out leaving me to lean over the aisle for five hours getting hit by carts and people walking by. The next morning my neck and back hurt like hell. I had recently retired and we are very high NW. Now I fly first class and while I hunt for the best deal I’m not flying in economy. I’m too old, too wealthy and too tired of flying in what has become a cattle car.

Airlines should charge by the pound. They charge for extra luggage!

Airlines should have each passenger get on the scale with all their luggage, including personal items, coats and carryons. Any passenger whose total body and luggage weight exceeds the
allowance should pay by the pound.

So we should publicly fat shame? Great idea! I can't imagine any knock on consequences from that.

Of course not, but why is it fair to me at 5 ft, 110 lbs that a stranger who is quite large spills in to my seat. It is not comfortable for me. I don’t know what the answer is.

My shoulders are so broad that they don’t fit in the seat on a normal economy seat. No one has ever complained about that to me or even in general. It’s always the fat people who catch it. Why is that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:About six years ago I was flying economy from SFO to ORD and I had an aisle seat. In the middle seat was a 300 pounder who couldn’t help but spread out leaving me to lean over the aisle for five hours getting hit by carts and people walking by. The next morning my neck and back hurt like hell. I had recently retired and we are very high NW. Now I fly first class and while I hunt for the best deal I’m not flying in economy. I’m too old, too wealthy and too tired of flying in what has become a cattle car.

Airlines should charge by the pound. They charge for extra luggage!

Airlines should have each passenger get on the scale with all their luggage, including personal items, coats and carryons. Any passenger whose total body and luggage weight exceeds the
allowance should pay by the pound.

So we should publicly fat shame? Great idea! I can't imagine any knock on consequences from that.

Of course not, but why is it fair to me at 5 ft, 110 lbs that a stranger who is quite large spills in to my seat. It is not comfortable for me. I don’t know what the answer is.

My shoulders are so broad that they don’t fit in the seat on a normal economy seat. No one has ever complained about that to me or even in general. It’s always the fat people who catch it. Why is that?

People also typically aren’t complaining to obese people to their face. For whatever reason (be it broad shoulders or fat) if you are spilling over into someone else’s seat they are definitely unhappy with you and you are in the wrong and should be either buying a second seat or a upgraded class of service.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:About six years ago I was flying economy from SFO to ORD and I had an aisle seat. In the middle seat was a 300 pounder who couldn’t help but spread out leaving me to lean over the aisle for five hours getting hit by carts and people walking by. The next morning my neck and back hurt like hell. I had recently retired and we are very high NW. Now I fly first class and while I hunt for the best deal I’m not flying in economy. I’m too old, too wealthy and too tired of flying in what has become a cattle car.

Airlines should charge by the pound. They charge for extra luggage!

Airlines should have each passenger get on the scale with all their luggage, including personal items, coats and carryons. Any passenger whose total body and luggage weight exceeds the
allowance should pay by the pound.

So we should publicly fat shame? Great idea! I can't imagine any knock on consequences from that.

Of course not, but why is it fair to me at 5 ft, 110 lbs that a stranger who is quite large spills in to my seat. It is not comfortable for me. I don’t know what the answer is.

My shoulders are so broad that they don’t fit in the seat on a normal economy seat. No one has ever complained about that to me or even in general. It’s always the fat people who catch it. Why is that?

People also typically aren’t complaining to obese people to their face. For whatever reason (be it broad shoulders or fat) if you are spilling over into someone else’s seat they are definitely unhappy with you and you are in the wrong and should be either buying a second seat or a upgraded class of service.

Make me. I have broad shoulders. Can’t help it. Talk to the airlines about their skinny seats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:About six years ago I was flying economy from SFO to ORD and I had an aisle seat. In the middle seat was a 300 pounder who couldn’t help but spread out leaving me to lean over the aisle for five hours getting hit by carts and people walking by. The next morning my neck and back hurt like hell. I had recently retired and we are very high NW. Now I fly first class and while I hunt for the best deal I’m not flying in economy. I’m too old, too wealthy and too tired of flying in what has become a cattle car.

Airlines should charge by the pound. They charge for extra luggage!

Airlines should have each passenger get on the scale with all their luggage, including personal items, coats and carryons. Any passenger whose total body and luggage weight exceeds the
allowance should pay by the pound.

So we should publicly fat shame? Great idea! I can't imagine any knock on consequences from that.

Of course not, but why is it fair to me at 5 ft, 110 lbs that a stranger who is quite large spills in to my seat. It is not comfortable for me. I don’t know what the answer is.

My shoulders are so broad that they don’t fit in the seat on a normal economy seat. No one has ever complained about that to me or even in general. It’s always the fat people who catch it. Why is that?

People also typically aren’t complaining to obese people to their face. For whatever reason (be it broad shoulders or fat) if you are spilling over into someone else’s seat they are definitely unhappy with you and you are in the wrong and should be either buying a second seat or a upgraded class of service.

Make me. I have broad shoulders. Can’t help it. Talk to the airlines about their skinny seats.

And a lot of people can’t help being obese. If your broad shoulders don’t allow you to fit into the standard sized seat then you need to pay for one that fits you…just as people who can’t fit into standard sized clothing may need to pay extra for a custom fit.

But clearly because you’re a “big (probably white) man” you think you’re just entitled to take other people’s space, which they have rightfully paid, and shift the blame.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:About six years ago I was flying economy from SFO to ORD and I had an aisle seat. In the middle seat was a 300 pounder who couldn’t help but spread out leaving me to lean over the aisle for five hours getting hit by carts and people walking by. The next morning my neck and back hurt like hell. I had recently retired and we are very high NW. Now I fly first class and while I hunt for the best deal I’m not flying in economy. I’m too old, too wealthy and too tired of flying in what has become a cattle car.

Airlines should charge by the pound. They charge for extra luggage!

Airlines should have each passenger get on the scale with all their luggage, including personal items, coats and carryons. Any passenger whose total body and luggage weight exceeds the
allowance should pay by the pound.

So we should publicly fat shame? Great idea! I can't imagine any knock on consequences from that.

Of course not, but why is it fair to me at 5 ft, 110 lbs that a stranger who is quite large spills in to my seat. It is not comfortable for me. I don’t know what the answer is.

My shoulders are so broad that they don’t fit in the seat on a normal economy seat. No one has ever complained about that to me or even in general. It’s always the fat people who catch it. Why is that?

People also typically aren’t complaining to obese people to their face. For whatever reason (be it broad shoulders or fat) if you are spilling over into someone else’s seat they are definitely unhappy with you and you are in the wrong and should be either buying a second seat or a upgraded class of service.

Make me. I have broad shoulders. Can’t help it. Talk to the airlines about their skinny seats.

And a lot of people can’t help being obese. If your broad shoulders don’t allow you to fit into the standard sized seat then you need to pay for one that fits you…just as people who can’t fit into standard sized clothing may need to pay extra for a custom fit.

But clearly because you’re a “big (probably white) man” you think you’re just entitled to take other people’s space, which they have rightfully paid, and shift the blame.

Take it up with the airlines. Not my fault. Oh… and you’re racist. F off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:About six years ago I was flying economy from SFO to ORD and I had an aisle seat. In the middle seat was a 300 pounder who couldn’t help but spread out leaving me to lean over the aisle for five hours getting hit by carts and people walking by. The next morning my neck and back hurt like hell. I had recently retired and we are very high NW. Now I fly first class and while I hunt for the best deal I’m not flying in economy. I’m too old, too wealthy and too tired of flying in what has become a cattle car.

Airlines should charge by the pound. They charge for extra luggage!

Airlines should have each passenger get on the scale with all their luggage, including personal items, coats and carryons. Any passenger whose total body and luggage weight exceeds the
allowance should pay by the pound.

So we should publicly fat shame? Great idea! I can't imagine any knock on consequences from that.

Of course not, but why is it fair to me at 5 ft, 110 lbs that a stranger who is quite large spills in to my seat. It is not comfortable for me. I don’t know what the answer is.

My shoulders are so broad that they don’t fit in the seat on a normal economy seat. No one has ever complained about that to me or even in general. It’s always the fat people who catch it. Why is that?

I dont like that either. I paid for my space, if you need to use my space, then you need to purchase an extra seat or a bigger seat. Simple rules that apply to everyone.

However, the reason people may have a bit more empathy is that you cannot control your height or broad shoulders. You can however (in 99% of cases) control your weight. You don't get to being obese overnight, it's a choice to eat poorly and not get any exercise. And then the issues compound and it gets worse.