Feel like I need to babysit my professors so I get my extra time accommodation

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Anonymous wrote:If my disability is that I have a low IQ, can I be given easier questions on exams and still get credit for passing the same classes as my normo-IQ classmates? I know this sounds snarky but I’m actually a little curious. If someone gets extra time because they can’t finish the test on time (and the results will be compared to the results of students who didn’t take extra time), can someone else also get different questions if their disability makes it hard for them to understand the original questions?


Obviously this is written from the standpoint of someone who has never personally dealt with individuals needing accommodations. You do realize that extra time is not the "gift" it appears to be. Extra time for someone with learning disabilities is extremely draining - that individual may take longer to just read a simple question that for others takes no time to read and process. Do that over a 2.5-hour window and see how you feel.


Right, but, let’s say I have read the novel for English class but I can’t synthesize the information the way my classmates can because of my learning disability. And the test is an essay discussing the motifs of the novel. But due to my brain chemistry I cannot understand and apply what a motif is. Can I just summarize the plot of the book instead? And get an A?


No.

They have to demonstrate the same competences as all of the other students. The teacher may come up with a different way of measuring the same thing, though.

Do you get it now?


Then why is there a time limit at all, if answering the questions within the allotted time isn’t one of the competencies ?


Sounding a lot like you'd prefer to see all individuals with learning disabilities not have an opportunity. The short answer is - they get a low grade even with the extra hours because their learning disabilities don't allow them to process the information. So curriculum could be modified or approached differently to help all learners, or you are given one crutch instead of two and a "good luck - you suck" approach from people like you.
Anonymous
I really don't understand why some people can get more time in college.

I really hope this doesn't flow up to the workforce next. Employee A wants more time for his deadline but Employee B isn't eligible for more time, meanwhile the customer still wants it in the same timeframe.
Anonymous
All my professors were called Dr. when they had PhDs. They use Dr. when being referred to professionally.

I actually think it's obnoxious when my colleagues use "Dr." (I'm in engineering), but in the educational field it's very normal.

MDs are called doctors professionally and socially.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why some people can get more time in college.

I really hope this doesn't flow up to the workforce next. Employee A wants more time for his deadline but Employee B isn't eligible for more time, meanwhile the customer still wants it in the same timeframe.


Unfortunately, it's never going to be an even playing field for people with challenges. It's so nice to know that there are people out there like you that don't want to make any accommodations for others to succeed. Do you also feel the same about people with physical limitations? No need to have handicap-accessible desks, elevators or car parking?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If my disability is that I have a low IQ, can I be given easier questions on exams and still get credit for passing the same classes as my normo-IQ classmates? I know this sounds snarky but I’m actually a little curious. If someone gets extra time because they can’t finish the test on time (and the results will be compared to the results of students who didn’t take extra time), can someone else also get different questions if their disability makes it hard for them to understand the original questions?


Obviously this is written from the standpoint of someone who has never personally dealt with individuals needing accommodations. You do realize that extra time is not the "gift" it appears to be. Extra time for someone with learning disabilities is extremely draining - that individual may take longer to just read a simple question that for others takes no time to read and process. Do that over a 2.5-hour window and see how you feel.


Right, but, let’s say I have read the novel for English class but I can’t synthesize the information the way my classmates can because of my learning disability. And the test is an essay discussing the motifs of the novel. But due to my brain chemistry I cannot understand and apply what a motif is. Can I just summarize the plot of the book instead? And get an A?


No.

They have to demonstrate the same competences as all of the other students. The teacher may come up with a different way of measuring the same thing, though.

Do you get it now?


Then why is there a time limit at all, if answering the questions within the allotted time isn’t one of the competencies ?


Sounding a lot like you'd prefer to see all individuals with learning disabilities not have an opportunity. The short answer is - they get a low grade even with the extra hours because their learning disabilities don't allow them to process the information. So curriculum could be modified or approached differently to help all learners, or you are given one crutch instead of two and a "good luck - you suck" approach from people like you.


DP: The principle is reasonable accommodations and they shouldn't interfere with what is required to effectively work in the discipline/job.
If speed of response is critical in the field, then more time isn't deemed reasonable. If visual acuity is critical for some aspect of learning (e.g., radiology) and the technology doesn't yet exist to support a visually impaired person from succeeding, then there is no reasonable accommodation. I agree with you the PP that if timing on a test isn't critical, then no one should have a time constraint. But sometimes this is just logistically hard to handle.

I also think some of the aspects of special ed practices in universal pK-12 have been drifting up to higher ed in ways that aren't always sensible. Sometimes the need for accommodations is such that precludes a person's success in a given discipline/field. For instance, I don't think granting more time on assignments is actually a reasonable accommodation in college, even though it's fairly common. I think those students might just need to take a lesser course load and maybe take summer courses to make up time etc. Most workplaces are deadline based and are going to have a continuous work flow -- people need to develop the skills to manage the expected level of work in their discipline. Accommodations that allow you to work at the roughly the pace/quantity of others (e.g., readers for dyslexia, technology for visual/physical impairment, planning tools for executive functions) are great, but just always getting "extra time" is a recipe for not being prepared for the workplace.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If my disability is that I have a low IQ, can I be given easier questions on exams and still get credit for passing the same classes as my normo-IQ classmates? I know this sounds snarky but I’m actually a little curious. If someone gets extra time because they can’t finish the test on time (and the results will be compared to the results of students who didn’t take extra time), can someone else also get different questions if their disability makes it hard for them to understand the original questions?


You aren't being snarky, you being a bigoted A-hole. You don't have this disability; you don't understand it; therefore, you feel free to mock it.



Maybe someone with such a disability shouldn't be in college.


DP. This is a bigoted takeaway.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why some people can get more time in college.

I really hope this doesn't flow up to the workforce next. Employee A wants more time for his deadline but Employee B isn't eligible for more time, meanwhile the customer still wants it in the same timeframe.


Unfortunately, it's never going to be an even playing field for people with challenges. It's so nice to know that there are people out there like you that don't want to make any accommodations for others to succeed. Do you also feel the same about people with physical limitations? No need to have handicap-accessible desks, elevators or car parking?


DP. EVERYONE has challenges. Such is life. Expecting accommodations when you're an adult is asinine, and comparing it to people with physical limitations is absurd. But you're probably the kind of person who thinks emotional support animals are the same as someone using a seeing eye dog because they're blind.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why some people can get more time in college.

I really hope this doesn't flow up to the workforce next. Employee A wants more time for his deadline but Employee B isn't eligible for more time, meanwhile the customer still wants it in the same timeframe.


Unfortunately, it's never going to be an even playing field for people with challenges. It's so nice to know that there are people out there like you that don't want to make any accommodations for others to succeed. Do you also feel the same about people with physical limitations? No need to have handicap-accessible desks, elevators or car parking?


DP. EVERYONE has challenges. Such is life. Expecting accommodations when you're an adult is asinine, and comparing it to people with physical limitations is absurd. But you're probably the kind of person who thinks emotional support animals are the same as someone using a seeing eye dog because they're blind.


So wrong, I'm actually a Flat Earth follower.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If my disability is that I have a low IQ, can I be given easier questions on exams and still get credit for passing the same classes as my normo-IQ classmates? I know this sounds snarky but I’m actually a little curious. If someone gets extra time because they can’t finish the test on time (and the results will be compared to the results of students who didn’t take extra time), can someone else also get different questions if their disability makes it hard for them to understand the original questions?


Obviously this is written from the standpoint of someone who has never personally dealt with individuals needing accommodations. You do realize that extra time is not the "gift" it appears to be. Extra time for someone with learning disabilities is extremely draining - that individual may take longer to just read a simple question that for others takes no time to read and process. Do that over a 2.5-hour window and see how you feel.


Right, but, let’s say I have read the novel for English class but I can’t synthesize the information the way my classmates can because of my learning disability. And the test is an essay discussing the motifs of the novel. But due to my brain chemistry I cannot understand and apply what a motif is. Can I just summarize the plot of the book instead? And get an A?


No.

They have to demonstrate the same competences as all of the other students. The teacher may come up with a different way of measuring the same thing, though.

Do you get it now?


Then why is there a time limit at all, if answering the questions within the allotted time isn’t one of the competencies ?


Because organizations operate on schedules. Other classes need the room. Teachers and students have other classes. Don’t be obtuse.

When a professor writes an exam, they want to see if the students learned the concepts they were trying to teach. It is not a race, to see who can read or type the fastest.
Anonymous
Op, please try to lose the ‘tude ‘
Just put a process in place to email the prof a week before an exam about your accommodations.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Blah blah blah is appropriate for college professors, sweetheart.

It’s your job, and your job alone, to inform professors about your needs.

It’s not preschool, it’s college.

Welcome to the real world.


OP here. Not true. They were all informed at the beginning of the semester by the disability department.
I also sent them another email in the first few weeks when it became clear I wasn't given extra time.
Insisting on students calling you doctor screams insecure. She put it in her syllabus, spoke to us the first and second class about it
and continued to remind people during lectures. My dad had a PhD. The only people who may refer to him as doctor as his coworkers or other work collogues he may be working on research with. I have heard students say professor during lectures but never Dr.


The Disability Office tells them you qualify for accommodations. Students have to request them specifically, since they may not want them for all classes or all assignments.

You act like you think you are superior to your college’s faculty (saying you have to “babysit” them??).

That is beyond obnoxious, and will definitely impede your ability to gain their cooperation, good recommendations, etc.

Wise up.


Op. Perhaps each college handles it differently. But we are shown a document that lists the accommodation or accommodations we have when we first get approved to be with student services and the student services sends that to the professor. I also send an email during the first week or second-week requesting accommodations. I have been told several times by student services I don't need to send professors reminders. Student services know me well because I have to get book accommodations and that's not common. Professors have also told me I don't need to send them reminders.
Today I had another exam and asked my professor (a different one) if she programmed the extra time and she laughed and said of course you don't have to remind me. I explained I have had trouble in the past with other classes not giving the extra time. She explained how they need to manually adjust the time and can't adjust them all at the start of the semester. I have had professors tell me I am smart and I shouldn't need extra time. In my first year, I didn't register right away because I thought I would be fine. A lot of colleges have programs for students who are the first in their family to finish college. I think colleges are trying to be more accommodating so students graduate.




Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If my disability is that I have a low IQ, can I be given easier questions on exams and still get credit for passing the same classes as my normo-IQ classmates? I know this sounds snarky but I’m actually a little curious. If someone gets extra time because they can’t finish the test on time (and the results will be compared to the results of students who didn’t take extra time), can someone else also get different questions if their disability makes it hard for them to understand the original questions?


You aren't being snarky, you being a bigoted A-hole. You don't have this disability; you don't understand it; therefore, you feel free to mock it.



Maybe someone with such a disability shouldn't be in college.


DP. This is a bigoted takeaway.

Good to know I'm bigoted after all the time I've spent in the special needs world.

I have no idea what OPs issue is, but her attitude is the largest disability here.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dr. Blah blah blah is appropriate for college professors, sweetheart.

It’s your job, and your job alone, to inform professors about your needs.

It’s not preschool, it’s college.

Welcome to the real world.


OP here. Not true. They were all informed at the beginning of the semester by the disability department.
I also sent them another email in the first few weeks when it became clear I wasn't given extra time.
Insisting on students calling you doctor screams insecure. She put it in her syllabus, spoke to us the first and second class about it
and continued to remind people during lectures. My dad had a PhD. The only people who may refer to him as doctor as his coworkers or other work collogues he may be working on research with. I have heard students say professor during lectures but never Dr.


The Disability Office tells them you qualify for accommodations. Students have to request them specifically, since they may not want them for all classes or all assignments.

You act like you think you are superior to your college’s faculty (saying you have to “babysit” them??).

That is beyond obnoxious, and will definitely impede your ability to gain their cooperation, good recommendations, etc.

Wise up.


Op. Perhaps each college handles it differently. But we are shown a document that lists the accommodation or accommodations we have when we first get approved to be with student services and the student services sends that to the professor. I also send an email during the first week or second-week requesting accommodations. I have been told several times by student services I don't need to send professors reminders. Student services know me well because I have to get book accommodations and that's not common. Professors have also told me I don't need to send them reminders.
Today I had another exam and asked my professor (a different one) if she programmed the extra time and she laughed and said of course you don't have to remind me. I explained I have had trouble in the past with other classes not giving the extra time. She explained how they need to manually adjust the time and can't adjust them all at the start of the semester. I have had professors tell me I am smart and I shouldn't need extra time. In my first year, I didn't register right away because I thought I would be fine. A lot of colleges have programs for students who are the first in their family to finish college. I think colleges are trying to be more accommodating so students graduate.






And to that second professor’s point— that’s just what work is like. I have colleagues who care a lot about their job, and colleagues who are just okay at it. I know some people are worse at checking their email, so I need to stop by or remind them more frequently. Some times people don’t respond unless I cc their boss.

That’s just the way it is, and learning how to manage “up” and manage around personalities to meet my deadline is an important part of my job… WHILE staying polite and professional.

So you have an office that grants you the accommodation and tells you it’s your legal right (it is!) say you don’t need to notify them. You have a professor who does it right but does say it’s a manual add that has to happen for EACH adjustment per student. And you have a professor who has proven to be a little prickly in other areas who doesn’t have a track record of getting it right.

But the student services officer isn’t the one adjusting the timings. A lot of times, there are rules on how things should be done that just… aren’t done.

I think folks have been a little unkind in the comments, but also, a lot of this is what you are likely to encounter in life after college.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dr. Blah blah blah is appropriate for college professors, sweetheart.

It’s your job, and your job alone, to inform professors about your needs.

It’s not preschool, it’s college.

Welcome to the real world.


OP here. Not true. They were all informed at the beginning of the semester by the disability department.
I also sent them another email in the first few weeks when it became clear I wasn't given extra time.
Insisting on students calling you doctor screams insecure. She put it in her syllabus, spoke to us the first and second class about it
and continued to remind people during lectures. My dad had a PhD. The only people who may refer to him as doctor as his coworkers or other work collogues he may be working on research with. I have heard students say professor during lectures but never Dr.


The Disability Office tells them you qualify for accommodations. Students have to request them specifically, since they may not want them for all classes or all assignments.

You act like you think you are superior to your college’s faculty (saying you have to “babysit” them??).

That is beyond obnoxious, and will definitely impede your ability to gain their cooperation, good recommendations, etc.

Wise up.


Op. Perhaps each college handles it differently. But we are shown a document that lists the accommodation or accommodations we have when we first get approved to be with student services and the student services sends that to the professor. I also send an email during the first week or second-week requesting accommodations. I have been told several times by student services I don't need to send professors reminders. Student services know me well because I have to get book accommodations and that's not common. Professors have also told me I don't need to send them reminders.
Today I had another exam and asked my professor (a different one) if she programmed the extra time and she laughed and said of course you don't have to remind me. I explained I have had trouble in the past with other classes not giving the extra time. She explained how they need to manually adjust the time and can't adjust them all at the start of the semester. I have had professors tell me I am smart and I shouldn't need extra time. In my first year, I didn't register right away because I thought I would be fine. A lot of colleges have programs for students who are the first in their family to finish college. I think colleges are trying to be more accommodating so students graduate.






And to that second professor’s point— that’s just what work is like. I have colleagues who care a lot about their job, and colleagues who are just okay at it. I know some people are worse at checking their email, so I need to stop by or remind them more frequently. Some times people don’t respond unless I cc their boss.

That’s just the way it is, and learning how to manage “up” and manage around personalities to meet my deadline is an important part of my job… WHILE staying polite and professional.

So you have an office that grants you the accommodation and tells you it’s your legal right (it is!) say you don’t need to notify them. You have a professor who does it right but does say it’s a manual add that has to happen for EACH adjustment per student. And you have a professor who has proven to be a little prickly in other areas who doesn’t have a track record of getting it right.

But the student services officer isn’t the one adjusting the timings. A lot of times, there are rules on how things should be done that just… aren’t done.

I think folks have been a little unkind in the comments, but also, a lot of this is what you are likely to encounter in life after college.



Pp- don’t need to notify them **after the first week**
Anonymous
College prof here with a digression on academic titles, since OP was concerned about them. (As PPs have noted, this is workplace-only stuff, not the kind of thing that belongs on a Miss-Manners-approved wedding invitation.)

In some parts of the world "Professor" is a title reserved for the most senior and highest-promoted faculty, often in endowed or regius positions. Everyone else has to use "Dr." unless they make it up to that level, which is incredibly rare.

And then, confusingly, here in the US, "Professor" is often used for college faculty who do _not_ hold a doctorate. So when I finished my Ph.D. I went from being "Professor Collegeprof" to "Dr. Collegeprof." In some other countries that would have sounded like a massive demotion and been considered an insulting mislabel in the workplace. But here in the US it sounds like the OP's professor finds the doctorate an important part of her title and wants to use it. She has the right to introduce herself that way _in her professional workplace_. (I'm pretty sure that even the world's most famous culinary professionals don't expect their neighbors to call them "Chef" at home.)

Nowadays I personally answer to either "Professor Collegeprof" or "Dr. Collegeprof," although my institution defaults to the latter most of the time. And as far as "real" names go, it's an arcane but treasured ritual amongst many doctoral advisors to shake the hand of the candidate immediately after they have successfully defended their dissertation and say something like "Welcome to the profession. You should call me Firstname Collegeprof now."
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