Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

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The posters who are negging on you are probably old spinsters who are still trying to find their mr big at age 45

What if I'm a lesbian.

Hello, am I allowed to go to brunch if I'm a lesbian. Thank you.

Wait I'm straight, married, no kids by choice, and hate brunch - I think it's an abomination. Where do I fall in these culture wars?

I cannot relate to someone who doesn’t like brunch.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

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The posters who are negging on you are probably old spinsters who are still trying to find their mr big at age 45

Nah. I’m married to an amazing man who actually wants me and not just a brood mare. Currently pregnant with our second. Had a lot of fun in my 20s drinking mimosas at brunch and enjoying many different men. Got both the 20s life and the family life 😁

What’s with the Mr Big obsession? Sounds like y’all spend a lot of time obsessing over a fictional character. Regret marrying your mediocre husbands at age 19? I get it, it’s really hard to tell which ones are the good ones that young.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

A grandmother in your mid-40s? Did you not teach your kids how to use birth control?

Your posts read like you’re really bitter about your life choices. Sorry you were cleaning up puke while I was traveling the world and kicking ass at work.

No, I did not put our daughters on the pill. Our oldest married her college boyfriend. He is in medical school, she is a grammar school teacher on maturity leave. I'm not bitter. I feel sorry for young women brainwashed by media propaganda. I work with quite a few terminally single and childless women in their 30s and 40s. It's hardly a rare phenom, it's deeply sad.

No it's not. Obviously, math and statistics are not your strength.

PP was too busy pumping out babies as a teen to take math. Probably didn’t attend college.

I have a bachelor's and a master's degree and have enjoyed a 25 year professional career. I married my husband at 22, after dating for over three years in college. I guess we should have waited another 8 to 15 years so he could go screw around with various women and I could go waste years of my life aimlessly hooking up, traveling, shopping, boozing and ordering frittatas. We could circle back in our 30s with various mental illnesses, baggage, 90% of my viable eggs gone, and be old on our wedding day and miss seeing our grandchildren grow up. Because media and new wave feminism brainwashed you, and millions like you, to think that was the ideal. Marrying shortly after college is "white trash". Being a young bride and a beautiful educated young mother is so "gross". Right.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

A grandmother in your mid-40s? Did you not teach your kids how to use birth control?

Your posts read like you’re really bitter about your life choices. Sorry you were cleaning up puke while I was traveling the world and kicking ass at work.

No, I did not put our daughters on the pill. Our oldest married her college boyfriend. He is in medical school, she is a grammar school teacher on maturity leave. I'm not bitter. I feel sorry for young women brainwashed by media propaganda. I work with quite a few terminally single and childless women in their 30s and 40s. It's hardly a rare phenom, it's deeply sad.

No it's not. Obviously, math and statistics are not your strength.

PP was too busy pumping out babies as a teen to take math. Probably didn’t attend college.

I have a bachelor's and a master's degree and have enjoyed a 25 year professional career. I married my husband at 22, after dating for over three years in college. I guess we should have waited another 8 to 15 years so he could go screw around with various women and I could go waste years of my life aimlessly hooking up, traveling, shopping, boozing and ordering frittatas. We could circle back in our 30s with various mental illnesses, baggage, 90% of my viable eggs gone, and be old on our wedding day and miss seeing our grandchildren grow up. Because media and new wave feminism brainwashed you, and millions like you, to think that was the ideal. Marrying shortly after college is "white trash". Being a young bride and a beautiful educated young mother is so "gross". Right.

Frittata! OMG, lady you are the gift that keeps on giving. I mean, there is nothing mentally ill at all about your obsession with SATC and eating out.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

A grandmother in your mid-40s? Did you not teach your kids how to use birth control?

Your posts read like you’re really bitter about your life choices. Sorry you were cleaning up puke while I was traveling the world and kicking ass at work.

No, I did not put our daughters on the pill. Our oldest married her college boyfriend. He is in medical school, she is a grammar school teacher on maturity leave. I'm not bitter. I feel sorry for young women brainwashed by media propaganda. I work with quite a few terminally single and childless women in their 30s and 40s. It's hardly a rare phenom, it's deeply sad.

No it's not. Obviously, math and statistics are not your strength.

PP was too busy pumping out babies as a teen to take math. Probably didn’t attend college.

I have a bachelor's and a master's degree and have enjoyed a 25 year professional career. I married my husband at 22, after dating for over three years in college. I guess we should have waited another 8 to 15 years so he could go screw around with various women and I could go waste years of my life aimlessly hooking up, traveling, shopping, boozing and ordering frittatas. We could circle back in our 30s with various mental illnesses, baggage, 90% of my viable eggs gone, and be old on our wedding day and miss seeing our grandchildren grow up. Because media and new wave feminism brainwashed you, and millions like you, to think that was the ideal. Marrying shortly after college is "white trash". Being a young bride and a beautiful educated young mother is so "gross". Right.

Did you think he was going to screw around on you if you two just dated and didn't put a ring on his finger? Oh my.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

A grandmother in your mid-40s? Did you not teach your kids how to use birth control?

Your posts read like you’re really bitter about your life choices. Sorry you were cleaning up puke while I was traveling the world and kicking ass at work.

No, I did not put our daughters on the pill. Our oldest married her college boyfriend. He is in medical school, she is a grammar school teacher on maturity leave. I'm not bitter. I feel sorry for young women brainwashed by media propaganda. I work with quite a few terminally single and childless women in their 30s and 40s. It's hardly a rare phenom, it's deeply sad.

No it's not. Obviously, math and statistics are not your strength.

PP was too busy pumping out babies as a teen to take math. Probably didn’t attend college.

I have a bachelor's and a master's degree and have enjoyed a 25 year professional career. I married my husband at 22, after dating for over three years in college. I guess we should have waited another 8 to 15 years so he could go screw around with various women and I could go waste years of my life aimlessly hooking up, traveling, shopping, boozing and ordering frittatas. We could circle back in our 30s with various mental illnesses, baggage, 90% of my viable eggs gone, and be old on our wedding day and miss seeing our grandchildren grow up. Because media and new wave feminism brainwashed you, and millions like you, to think that was the ideal. Marrying shortly after college is "white trash". Being a young bride and a beautiful educated young mother is so "gross". Right.

Tell us more about how reproducing early prevents mental diseases. Put that master to use and I expect plos one research - applied math mom here who had kids in her 40s and still has a weakness for Italy, spinach quiche, and Kir Royale. BTW, it's never too late for him. Midlife crisis usually happens to the men who married young, didn't date a lot, and want to see what they were missing.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

A grandmother in your mid-40s? Did you not teach your kids how to use birth control?

Your posts read like you’re really bitter about your life choices. Sorry you were cleaning up puke while I was traveling the world and kicking ass at work.

No, I did not put our daughters on the pill. Our oldest married her college boyfriend. He is in medical school, she is a grammar school teacher on maturity leave. I'm not bitter. I feel sorry for young women brainwashed by media propaganda. I work with quite a few terminally single and childless women in their 30s and 40s. It's hardly a rare phenom, it's deeply sad.

No it's not. Obviously, math and statistics are not your strength.

PP was too busy pumping out babies as a teen to take math. Probably didn’t attend college.

I have a bachelor's and a master's degree and have enjoyed a 25 year professional career. I married my husband at 22, after dating for over three years in college. I guess we should have waited another 8 to 15 years so he could go screw around with various women and I could go waste years of my life aimlessly hooking up, traveling, shopping, boozing and ordering frittatas. We could circle back in our 30s with various mental illnesses, baggage, 90% of my viable eggs gone, and be old on our wedding day and miss seeing our grandchildren grow up. Because media and new wave feminism brainwashed you, and millions like you, to think that was the ideal. Marrying shortly after college is "white trash". Being a young bride and a beautiful educated young mother is so "gross". Right.

Frittata! OMG, lady you are the gift that keeps on giving. I mean, there is nothing mentally ill at all about your obsession with SATC and eating out.

Lady’s got baggage, mental illness, and 90% of her viable brain cells gone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

A grandmother in your mid-40s? Did you not teach your kids how to use birth control?

Your posts read like you’re really bitter about your life choices. Sorry you were cleaning up puke while I was traveling the world and kicking ass at work.

No, I did not put our daughters on the pill. Our oldest married her college boyfriend. He is in medical school, she is a grammar school teacher on maturity leave. I'm not bitter. I feel sorry for young women brainwashed by media propaganda. I work with quite a few terminally single and childless women in their 30s and 40s. It's hardly a rare phenom, it's deeply sad.

No it's not. Obviously, math and statistics are not your strength.

PP was too busy pumping out babies as a teen to take math. Probably didn’t attend college.

I have a bachelor's and a master's degree and have enjoyed a 25 year professional career. I married my husband at 22, after dating for over three years in college. I guess we should have waited another 8 to 15 years so he could go screw around with various women and I could go waste years of my life aimlessly hooking up, traveling, shopping, boozing and ordering frittatas. We could circle back in our 30s with various mental illnesses, baggage, 90% of my viable eggs gone, and be old on our wedding day and miss seeing our grandchildren grow up. Because media and new wave feminism brainwashed you, and millions like you, to think that was the ideal. Marrying shortly after college is "white trash". Being a young bride and a beautiful educated young mother is so "gross". Right.

It does seem like maybe you should have done something differently because you seem very hostile and disconnected with reality.

Traveling in your 20s does not lead to mental illness.
Having multiple relationships before marriage improves relationship/communication skills.
By marrying later as a fully-matured adult you know yourself better and know what would be your ideal partner.
Being financial secure and established in your career makes parenting less stressful.
By puberty, women have already lost 70% of eggs.
You only ovulate 1 egg a cycle. Having 10k vs 100k in reserve isn’t a meaningful difference.

Of course, some people may prefer to marry earlier, but there are certainly many advantages to waiting.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

A grandmother in your mid-40s? Did you not teach your kids how to use birth control?

Your posts read like you’re really bitter about your life choices. Sorry you were cleaning up puke while I was traveling the world and kicking ass at work.

No, I did not put our daughters on the pill. Our oldest married her college boyfriend. He is in medical school, she is a grammar school teacher on maturity leave. I'm not bitter. I feel sorry for young women brainwashed by media propaganda. I work with quite a few terminally single and childless women in their 30s and 40s. It's hardly a rare phenom, it's deeply sad.

No it's not. Obviously, math and statistics are not your strength.

PP was too busy pumping out babies as a teen to take math. Probably didn’t attend college.

I have a bachelor's and a master's degree and have enjoyed a 25 year professional career. I married my husband at 22, after dating for over three years in college. I guess we should have waited another 8 to 15 years so he could go screw around with various women and I could go waste years of my life aimlessly hooking up, traveling, shopping, boozing and ordering frittatas. We could circle back in our 30s with various mental illnesses, baggage, 90% of my viable eggs gone, and be old on our wedding day and miss seeing our grandchildren grow up. Because media and new wave feminism brainwashed you, and millions like you, to think that was the ideal. Marrying shortly after college is "white trash". Being a young bride and a beautiful educated young mother is so "gross". Right.

Frittata! OMG, lady you are the gift that keeps on giving. I mean, there is nothing mentally ill at all about your obsession with SATC and eating out.

The PP is a man troll obsessed with the ova. Ours, birds' etc.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

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The posters who are negging on you are probably old spinsters who are still trying to find their mr big at age 45

What if I'm a lesbian.

Hello, am I allowed to go to brunch if I'm a lesbian. Thank you.

Wait I'm straight, married, no kids by choice, and hate brunch - I think it's an abomination. Where do I fall in these culture wars?

I cannot relate to someone who doesn’t like brunch.

I am the PP - and I hate brunch! It's too much food at the wrong time of day - I'm either starving or not hungry by the time I am eating that too much food.

Also I am not a drinker, which I say while hating to burst that weird 40 year old grandma's idea of what child-free people are like. No, not all boozers, lady.

Anyway, we should start a new thread for the Great Brunch Wars of 2022.

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Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

A lab scientist working on Covid or any number of diseases. Also climate change. Glad you think women are just walking incubators and child care workers.

If that’s what you got out of that post, I feel absolute pity for you.

Being a mother is not the most important job any woman can do. It is NOT a woman's job alone. There are fathers, aunts, uncles, neighbors, grandparents, church members, teachers, and community members who also act as "mothers." You don't get that child rearing is a community based activity, not some mantle a woman has because of her uterus. Birthing a child does not make a woman a mother and there are more ways women can contribute to society. In fact, wasn't the person behind the covid vaccine a woman? I am sure she will tell her kids about her achievements one day. Because women are NOT one thing. And if you don't get that, you can crawl into your hole.

For most women, motherhood is easily the most important accomplishment of their lives. It's hard to deny that women seem to have a biological hardwiring that predisposes them to be the primary childcarer. It does not mean having children should be the only focus of a woman's life, and fathers should be heavily involved too. But, frankly, the whole idea a woman can give birth and then expect a whole "village" to jump in to help raise the children is both clueless and impractical. Most people have very limited interest in other people's children. A teacher or neighbor can never replace a mother. Even aunts and uncles are not the same as your own parents. The nuclear family model is one that provides the most support, and going from all sociological studies in modern nations, nothing can ever come close to replacing the strong support of a nuclear family arrangement - assuming, of course, it is a good one, and that is not always the case.

The delayed births in Western nations seems to be correlated with rising cost of living more than anything else.

You just described social changes resulting from the industrial revolution, which began in 1750. Humans have been around much longer than that. Communal arrangements were the norm for millennia.

Nuclear families have been around for millennia too. I would refute your assertion communal arrangements were the "norm" outside hunter gatherer societies that functioned as a single clan unit. There has always been a distinct difference - in all civilized societies - between the nuclear household and the surrounding community and context. The concept of a nuclear family with a mom and dad and their children is ancient and as far back as ancient Greece Aristotle talked about how the family unit was the core base unit of society, the "atom" of society.

Frankly, for all your idealizations of some hypothetical village raising your kids, I'm not sure if you really want that. Because do you know who has the closest communities of network support via family and churches and neighbors? Conservative people... somehow I suspect you don't want conservative Republican voting people having a say in how your kids are raised....

People lived in clans for many more years than civilization. That’s 5000 years old. While nuclear families aren’t new, there was typically extended family to help. Or children just worked right alongside parents.

Are you advocating policy changes to get women out of the workforce or is this just your personal belief?

I'm not sure what your point is. We should go back to living in barbarian clans? Roaming the wilderness? You know what those barbarian clans did when they met other barbarian clans? Tried to wipe them out. That's your kindly clan family.

Yes, families were bigger in the past so older kids can look after younger kids. Today's mothers with 1-2 kids by comparison has it much easier. Maybe we should go back to the days of cheap domestic help so most UMC mothers can have a nanny and cook once more? Is that what you want?

The idea that some extended community network all chipped in to care for the children is something that is not going to happen because people have a very limited interest in other people's children. A few recent posters talked about coming from very large extended families and even in those families the interest eventually wanes away after a certain number of grandkids. Humanity seems hardwired to have a limit to how much they can care for other people, both on a personal or abstract level. We see it in today's environment very clearly - angst of BLM while ignoring opiate ridden poverty in West Virginia, throwing fits over Rogan and Spotify while rushing out to by Apple products made in China where minority groups are systematically oppressed. It's a world of inherent contradictions that all point to one thing: people are very selfish.

All in all, I do agree somewhat with the sentiment that there's too much believing that people can be anything they want at any time and get all the help they need. There is an inherent selfishness to it. That's not how the real world works. There's always a tradeoff. There's always a price. And very few people will come to your help. The state is not a substitute because the state doesn't care about you. The government doesn't care about you. It can't. You are a mere abstract concept to a government.

As it is, most women do manage to balance a work life with family life. Most of us grew up with working mothers and most of us managed. Life is hard. Life is not going to be easy. And most people cope and get on with it instead of whining about abstract unfairness.

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I have a bachelor's and a master's degree and have enjoyed a 25 year professional career. I married my husband at 22, after dating for over three years in college. I guess we should have waited another 8 to 15 years so he could go screw around with various women and I could go waste years of my life aimlessly hooking up, traveling, shopping, boozing and ordering frittatas. We could circle back in our 30s with various mental illnesses, baggage, 90% of my viable eggs gone, and be old on our wedding day and miss seeing our grandchildren grow up. Because media and new wave feminism brainwashed you, and millions like you, to think that was the ideal. Marrying shortly after college is "white trash". Being a young bride and a beautiful educated young mother is so "gross". Right.

Tell us more about how reproducing early prevents mental diseases. Put that master to use and I expect plos one research - applied math mom here who had kids in her 40s and still has a weakness for Italy, spinach quiche, and Kir Royale. BTW, it's never too late for him. Midlife crisis usually happens to the men who married young, didn't date a lot, and want to see what they were missing.

Look how damaged and wicked you are to the point you project your miserableness and cynicism onto others, wishing a happily married grandmother's husband cheats on her. This is a classic example of how going through your 20s and however many years of your 30s single, childless, hooking up, plus decades of the birth control pill (and perhaps Plan B and/or abortion) permanently warps your mind. You are clearly currently not in a good place. I wish you well and encourage you to find God.

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It does seem like maybe you should have done something differently because you seem very hostile and disconnected with reality.

Traveling in your 20s does not lead to mental illness.
Having multiple relationships before marriage improves relationship/communication skills.
By marrying later as a fully-matured adult you know yourself better and know what would be your ideal partner.
Being financial secure and established in your career makes parenting less stressful.
By puberty, women have already lost 70% of eggs.
You only ovulate 1 egg a cycle. Having 10k vs 100k in reserve isn’t a meaningful difference.

Of course, some people may prefer to marry earlier, but there are certainly many advantages to waiting.

You believe college credentialed 22 or 23 year olds who've been dating each other for a few years are no different than 35 year olds who've been stressed in careers, hooking up with various people, boozing, birth control, relationship baggage, random sexual encounters, potential for STDs, abortion, Plan B, and birth control pill use for 12 additional years are no different mentally and physically? The former are far purer, the latter are almost always jaded messes. And the latter will likely need IVF to get pregnant, if they can at all. NYTimes.com recently featured a viral story on early and mid 30s female medical doctors who discovered they were practically or literally infertile.

A Medical Career, at a Cost: Infertility
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/health/women-doctors-infertility.html

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It does seem like maybe you should have done something differently because you seem very hostile and disconnected with reality.

Traveling in your 20s does not lead to mental illness.
Having multiple relationships before marriage improves relationship/communication skills.
By marrying later as a fully-matured adult you know yourself better and know what would be your ideal partner.
Being financial secure and established in your career makes parenting less stressful.
By puberty, women have already lost 70% of eggs.
You only ovulate 1 egg a cycle. Having 10k vs 100k in reserve isn’t a meaningful difference.

Of course, some people may prefer to marry earlier, but there are certainly many advantages to waiting.

You believe college credentialed 22 or 23 year olds who've been dating each other for a few years are no different than 35 year olds who've been stressed in careers, hooking up with various people, boozing, birth control, relationship baggage, random sexual encounters, potential for STDs, abortion, Plan B, and birth control pill use for 12 additional years are no different mentally and physically? The former are far purer, the latter are almost always jaded messes. And the latter will likely need IVF to get pregnant, if they can at all. NYTimes.com recently featured a viral story on early and mid 30s female medical doctors who discovered they were practically or literally infertile.

A Medical Career, at a Cost: Infertility
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/health/women-doctors-infertility.html

In addition, if you even can, how many children can you realistically have at 35? Likely just one or two, if you're lucky. And you've squandered 10 plus years of being able to see your grandchildren grow, which is one of life's greatest joys. God doesn't give you an extra 10 to 15 years of life because you waited until you were a few more rungs up the corporate ladder.

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It does seem like maybe you should have done something differently because you seem very hostile and disconnected with reality.

Traveling in your 20s does not lead to mental illness.
Having multiple relationships before marriage improves relationship/communication skills.
By marrying later as a fully-matured adult you know yourself better and know what would be your ideal partner.
Being financial secure and established in your career makes parenting less stressful.
By puberty, women have already lost 70% of eggs.
You only ovulate 1 egg a cycle. Having 10k vs 100k in reserve isn’t a meaningful difference.

Of course, some people may prefer to marry earlier, but there are certainly many advantages to waiting.

You believe college credentialed 22 or 23 year olds who've been dating each other for a few years are no different than 35 year olds who've been stressed in careers, hooking up with various people, boozing, birth control, relationship baggage, random sexual encounters, potential for STDs, abortion, Plan B, and birth control pill use for 12 additional years are no different mentally and physically? The former are far purer, the latter are almost always jaded messes. And the latter will likely need IVF to get pregnant, if they can at all. NYTimes.com recently featured a viral story on early and mid 30s female medical doctors who discovered they were practically or literally infertile.

A Medical Career, at a Cost: Infertility
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/health/women-doctors-infertility.html

In addition, if you even can, how many children can you realistically have at 35? Likely just one or two, if you're lucky. And you've squandered 10 plus years of being able to see your grandchildren grow, which is one of life's greatest joys. God doesn't give you an extra 10 to 15 years of life because you waited until you were a few more rungs up the corporate ladder.

Dude not everyone wants a litter of children what is wrong with you?