Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion

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Anonymous wrote:Government will reopen November 16th.

??? Do tell

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Anonymous wrote:If the government needs to subsidize Obamacare premiums for eternity for it to be viable, maybe we need to scrap it and go back to the private system.

It’s no excuse to hold the government hostage. If the dems want to address the subsidy crisis, they are more than welcome to introduce a bill repealing Obamacare and see where the dominoes fall.

I guess you don't remember the projections for price increases for all private insurance before Obamacare?

Obamacare didn't show up as nice thing to do. We had a crisis, and Obamacare helped ameliorate the pain.

Acting like Obamacare “fixed” a crisis is laughable.

Much of Obamacare was designed specifically to increase costs on consumers, not address spiraling premiums.

Forcing insurers to cover pre-existing medical conditions guaranteed spiraling costs. If the insurer has to cover the 550lb chain smoking alcoholic, then everyone pays. Forcing insurers to cover adult children under their parents’ policy means that you are forcing increased costs on the older generation to cover the costs of younger adults at prime working age.

This means Obamacare was always bound to require subsidy. Because it was never designed to achieve the goals it supposedly was intended to address.

The biggest problem is that there were proven, well established paths towards achieving these goals and lowering costs, which democrats refused to consider.

Focusing on the underlying cause of rising prices would have meant making moral compromises. It would have required acceptance that the biggest issue was not private enterprise, but rather an increasing unhealthy, sedentary population and over regulation.

Had they required deregulation, personalized medical consultations prior to approval of policies, and sliding prices depending on health and lifestyle would have drastically cut costs for most Americans, while encouraging smart choices. But it would mean that said 550lb chain smoking alcoholic would be paying an astronomical rate, and in the liberal mythos that would be considered ‘unfair’ despite the clear choices that led to such a predicament.

This is complete insanity. It's also what insurance companies did to deny care for pre-existing conditions - if you will recall they denied care for congenital conditions, auto-immune issues, and they'd also tie any prior medical care you sought to your current condition in order to not pay for your care.

They would have dropped my kid because of food allergies as a pre-existing condition. That is not fair.

Again that's not changing it's the temporary covid subsidies that are set to expire as they should have years ago

And as it turns out when inflation is rising, job market is stagnant and people are worried about buying groceries, the prospect of paying 30% more for health insurance is unpopular. Why does that surprise you?

I don't know how much premiums are rising and how the subsidies handle this, but the expiring COVID subsidies mainly cover people making six figures.

We never got COVID subsidies.

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Anonymous wrote:If the government needs to subsidize Obamacare premiums for eternity for it to be viable, maybe we need to scrap it and go back to the private system.

It’s no excuse to hold the government hostage. If the dems want to address the subsidy crisis, they are more than welcome to introduce a bill repealing Obamacare and see where the dominoes fall.

I guess you don't remember the projections for price increases for all private insurance before Obamacare?

Obamacare didn't show up as nice thing to do. We had a crisis, and Obamacare helped ameliorate the pain.

Acting like Obamacare “fixed” a crisis is laughable.

Much of Obamacare was designed specifically to increase costs on consumers, not address spiraling premiums.

Forcing insurers to cover pre-existing medical conditions guaranteed spiraling costs. If the insurer has to cover the 550lb chain smoking alcoholic, then everyone pays. Forcing insurers to cover adult children under their parents’ policy means that you are forcing increased costs on the older generation to cover the costs of younger adults at prime working age.

This means Obamacare was always bound to require subsidy. Because it was never designed to achieve the goals it supposedly was intended to address.

The biggest problem is that there were proven, well established paths towards achieving these goals and lowering costs, which democrats refused to consider.

Focusing on the underlying cause of rising prices would have meant making moral compromises. It would have required acceptance that the biggest issue was not private enterprise, but rather an increasing unhealthy, sedentary population and over regulation.

Had they required deregulation, personalized medical consultations prior to approval of policies, and sliding prices depending on health and lifestyle would have drastically cut costs for most Americans, while encouraging smart choices. But it would mean that said 550lb chain smoking alcoholic would be paying an astronomical rate, and in the liberal mythos that would be considered ‘unfair’ despite the clear choices that led to such a predicament.

Yes yes. This is what the republicans were insisting on the whole time…lol! You maga types have no credibility. You did everything to stop or sabotage the ACA but did nothing and offered no alternatives.

Every republican I know over 50 is on ACA. Small businesses owners to consultant. They are getting hammered!

First, arguing that you can’t support the dissolution of a failed piece of policy because some republicans use it is just arguing in bad faith.

Second, democrats never allowed republicans into the room when they were writing Obamacare. It was passed on party lines, and as Pelosi herself said when pressed why Obamacare was being rammed down Americans’ throats with zero participation from the Republican Party, “We have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what is in it.” (https://waysandmeans.house.gov/2010/03/19/whats-in-the-bill-read-it-and-weep/). You can’t blame republicans for the failure that Obamacare has became.

Where's the Republican plan again? Please cite when it's been introduced into the House or Senate?

It's been 15 years and Republicans have never come up with any alternative to just turning back the clock. You have no credibility in this space.

Now now. We must be fair. Trump has a plan for a plan. It’s coming out in two weeks.

Right after infrastructure week.

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Anonymous wrote:If the government needs to subsidize Obamacare premiums for eternity for it to be viable, maybe we need to scrap it and go back to the private system.

It’s no excuse to hold the government hostage. If the dems want to address the subsidy crisis, they are more than welcome to introduce a bill repealing Obamacare and see where the dominoes fall.

I guess you don't remember the projections for price increases for all private insurance before Obamacare?

Obamacare didn't show up as nice thing to do. We had a crisis, and Obamacare helped ameliorate the pain.

Acting like Obamacare “fixed” a crisis is laughable.

Much of Obamacare was designed specifically to increase costs on consumers, not address spiraling premiums.

Forcing insurers to cover pre-existing medical conditions guaranteed spiraling costs. If the insurer has to cover the 550lb chain smoking alcoholic, then everyone pays. Forcing insurers to cover adult children under their parents’ policy means that you are forcing increased costs on the older generation to cover the costs of younger adults at prime working age.

This means Obamacare was always bound to require subsidy. Because it was never designed to achieve the goals it supposedly was intended to address.

The biggest problem is that there were proven, well established paths towards achieving these goals and lowering costs, which democrats refused to consider.

Focusing on the underlying cause of rising prices would have meant making moral compromises. It would have required acceptance that the biggest issue was not private enterprise, but rather an increasing unhealthy, sedentary population and over regulation.

Had they required deregulation, personalized medical consultations prior to approval of policies, and sliding prices depending on health and lifestyle would have drastically cut costs for most Americans, while encouraging smart choices. But it would mean that said 550lb chain smoking alcoholic would be paying an astronomical rate, and in the liberal mythos that would be considered ‘unfair’ despite the clear choices that led to such a predicament.

Yes yes. This is what the republicans were insisting on the whole time…lol! You maga types have no credibility. You did everything to stop or sabotage the ACA but did nothing and offered no alternatives.

Every republican I know over 50 is on ACA. Small businesses owners to consultant. They are getting hammered!

First, arguing that you can’t support the dissolution of a failed piece of policy because some republicans use it is just arguing in bad faith.

Second, democrats never allowed republicans into the room when they were writing Obamacare. It was passed on party lines, and as Pelosi herself said when pressed why Obamacare was being rammed down Americans’ throats with zero participation from the Republican Party, “We have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what is in it.” (https://waysandmeans.house.gov/2010/03/19/whats-in-the-bill-read-it-and-weep/). You can’t blame republicans for the failure that Obamacare has became.

Where's the Republican plan again? Please cite when it's been introduced into the House or Senate?

It's been 15 years and Republicans have never come up with any alternative to just turning back the clock. You have no credibility in this space.

Now now. We must be fair. Trump has a plan for a plan. It’s coming out in two weeks.

Right right....so many are happening in two weeks it's hard to keep them straight

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Anonymous wrote:They keep focusing on Air Traffic Controllers and floating ideas to pay ATCs while the govt is shutdown, but how about the US Patent Office? Are they still getting paid? The longer this goes on, they should just all call out sick and paralyze the ability for businesses to file patents. They will sh!t bricks at the thought of not being able to file their patents and potentially lose billions of dollars if they're not able to be first to file.

If we are shutting down the govt, truly shut it all down. Close the US patent office and block companies from being able to file patents. I guarantee you the shutdown ends real quick if the entire US business community faces existential threats by potentially losing patents. ATCs arent the only flashpoint.

I thought they were funded by user fees.

Those can run out I think.

[Anonymous]

Gallego: "How can I negotiate? The president is in Asia for 5 days. Johnson is basically keeping the House out until January to protect pedophiles. So who am I negotiating with right now?"

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Anonymous wrote:Gallego: "How can I negotiate? The president is in Asia for 5 days. Johnson is basically keeping the House out until January to protect pedophiles. So who am I negotiating with right now?"

Are republicans now saying democrats won’t negotiate? After saying for weeks that they won’t negotiate until the democrats vote for the house CR?

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Anonymous wrote:If the government needs to subsidize Obamacare premiums for eternity for it to be viable, maybe we need to scrap it and go back to the private system.

It’s no excuse to hold the government hostage. If the dems want to address the subsidy crisis, they are more than welcome to introduce a bill repealing Obamacare and see where the dominoes fall.

I guess you don't remember the projections for price increases for all private insurance before Obamacare?

Obamacare didn't show up as nice thing to do. We had a crisis, and Obamacare helped ameliorate the pain.

Acting like Obamacare “fixed” a crisis is laughable.

Much of Obamacare was designed specifically to increase costs on consumers, not address spiraling premiums.

Forcing insurers to cover pre-existing medical conditions guaranteed spiraling costs. If the insurer has to cover the 550lb chain smoking alcoholic, then everyone pays. Forcing insurers to cover adult children under their parents’ policy means that you are forcing increased costs on the older generation to cover the costs of younger adults at prime working age.

This means Obamacare was always bound to require subsidy. Because it was never designed to achieve the goals it supposedly was intended to address.

The biggest problem is that there were proven, well established paths towards achieving these goals and lowering costs, which democrats refused to consider.

Focusing on the underlying cause of rising prices would have meant making moral compromises. It would have required acceptance that the biggest issue was not private enterprise, but rather an increasing unhealthy, sedentary population and over regulation.

Had they required deregulation, personalized medical consultations prior to approval of policies, and sliding prices depending on health and lifestyle would have drastically cut costs for most Americans, while encouraging smart choices. But it would mean that said 550lb chain smoking alcoholic would be paying an astronomical rate, and in the liberal mythos that would be considered ‘unfair’ despite the clear choices that led to such a predicament.

Yes yes. This is what the republicans were insisting on the whole time…lol! You maga types have no credibility. You did everything to stop or sabotage the ACA but did nothing and offered no alternatives.

Every republican I know over 50 is on ACA. Small businesses owners to consultant. They are getting hammered!

First, arguing that you can’t support the dissolution of a failed piece of policy because some republicans use it is just arguing in bad faith.

Second, democrats never allowed republicans into the room when they were writing Obamacare. It was passed on party lines, and as Pelosi herself said when pressed why Obamacare was being rammed down Americans’ throats with zero participation from the Republican Party, “We have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what is in it.” (https://waysandmeans.house.gov/2010/03/19/whats-in-the-bill-read-it-and-weep/). You can’t blame republicans for the failure that Obamacare has became.

Where's the Republican plan again? Please cite when it's been introduced into the House or Senate?

It's been 15 years and Republicans have never come up with any alternative to just turning back the clock. You have no credibility in this space.

Now now. We must be fair. Trump has a plan for a plan. It’s coming out in two weeks.

Right after infrastructure week.

Biden already did infrastructure week...successfully, I might add.

[Anonymous]

Largest government union calls for clean CR to end shutdown, pressuring Dems.

Dems will fold.

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Anonymous wrote:Largest government union calls for clean CR to end shutdown, pressuring Dems.

Dems will fold.

Well it won't be the GOP

they literally don't care. No one expects anything from them

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I just don't think they can hold out through Nov 1 with a whole month of missed paychecks, including the military not getting their Nov 1 paycheck and with SNAP benefits running out.

I think Dems should vote for it for those reasons and make it clear that it's the Republicans fault that health insurance costs are rising - they tried to stop it.

[Anonymous]

Mike Johnson: "Democrats are required to open the government. They keep saying, 'Republicans are in charge of government.' We aren't!"


I mean, the guy knows he is speaker of the House right? and that Trump is president, right? And that the Senate is controlled by Republicans as well, right

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The “clean CR” ends Nov 20, so we basically get a few weeks pay and then shutdown again?

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Anonymous wrote:Mike Johnson: "Democrats are required to open the government. They keep saying, 'Republicans are in charge of government.' We aren't!"


I mean, the guy knows he is speaker of the House right? and that Trump is president, right? And that the Senate is controlled by Republicans as well, right

Johnson is fighting a losing battle here.

Trump is a megalomaniacal wrecking ball who has been plastered across the news every single day for the past year bragging how great everything is going with him at the wheel. Preposterous for anyone to posit that MAGA is not in charge.

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Anonymous wrote:Mike Johnson: "Democrats are required to open the government. They keep saying, 'Republicans are in charge of government.' We aren't!"


I mean, the guy knows he is speaker of the House right? and that Trump is president, right? And that the Senate is controlled by Republicans as well, right

Johnson is fighting a losing battle here.

Trump is a megalomaniacal wrecking ball who has been plastered across the news every single day for the past year bragging how great everything is going with him at the wheel. Preposterous for anyone to posit that MAGA is not in charge.

This.

Cutting off food assistance, not paying workers and wrecking the White House to build a ballroom is hard to defend.

Cutting off Medicaid and making insurance premiums sky rocket while giving that money to Argentina, Elon Musk, and building your own gestapo aka ICE while illegally sending the military to attack the countries own cities is hard to defend.