Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole

[Anonymous]

Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a continuance of the same GE students from MS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a continuance of the same GE students from MS.

Your assertion is not proof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a continuance of the same GE students from MS.

Your assertion is not proof.

Your demand for proof is not a counter argument. Wouldn't it be more effective to put up your own proof that most Gen Ed students who opt out of honors in middle school go on to embrace it in high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is what I would be interested in. Hearing from a teacher in a FCPS MS AAP Center. Are self-selected honors and AAP classes doing the same work at the same level in your school? Or are the AAP classes stronger? I'd be especially interested in light of the fact that my AAP kid starts HS next year. Is he going to find honors work to be step down for a couple years until he hits IB (at one of the strong IB schools?). Or will it continue at the same pace as AAP has? Or can we hope for harder in 9th grade? Because, at this point, we are seeing high As with minimal effort at a "strong" AAP Center MS.

NP here. I guess my answer would be, who cares? Once in high school, your child will be in classes filled with all kind of kids, including those who were never in AAP, but who are now (finally) able to self-select honors, AP or IB classes. I guarantee your child will not find any of his high school classes a "step down" ( ) from middle school, regardless of what level he is currently in. He will be surrounded by kids of all abilities, many of whom will be far brighter than he, regardless of prior AAP experience. It's amazing how that works.

I guess I care, because my kid is in AAP at a RR/Carson/Longfellow, making great grades (a 4.0, but all core academic subjects 97 or greater), putting forth zero effort, and complaining about being bored all the time. So, I wish FCPS to finally challenge him. If these same kids, who are not pushing him now, funnel to HS with him, and then the classes get further watered down, then yes, I guess getting a challenging "honors curriculum isn't realistic. Maybe your brilliant kid who couldn't make AAP will run circles around him-- it would be nice if someone did. But I sorta doubt it. Here's hoping for TJ.

[Anonymous]

And what if TJ rejected his application?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a continuance of the same GE students from MS.

Your assertion is not proof.

Your demand for proof is not a counter argument. Wouldn't it be more effective to put up your own proof that most Gen Ed students who opt out of honors in middle school go on to embrace it in high school.

You think there are a ton of kids who can't hack honors/AAP English or math in MS, but suddenly have not just the talent, but the foundation, to go up to honors in HS? I seriously doubt it. There are always exceptions, but I'm sure most kids on the GE MS track stay there is HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is what I would be interested in. Hearing from a teacher in a FCPS MS AAP Center. Are self-selected honors and AAP classes doing the same work at the same level in your school? Or are the AAP classes stronger? I'd be especially interested in light of the fact that my AAP kid starts HS next year. Is he going to find honors work to be step down for a couple years until he hits IB (at one of the strong IB schools?). Or will it continue at the same pace as AAP has? Or can we hope for harder in 9th grade? Because, at this point, we are seeing high As with minimal effort at a "strong" AAP Center MS.

NP here. I guess my answer would be, who cares? Once in high school, your child will be in classes filled with all kind of kids, including those who were never in AAP, but who are now (finally) able to self-select honors, AP or IB classes. I guarantee your child will not find any of his high school classes a "step down" ( ) from middle school, regardless of what level he is currently in. He will be surrounded by kids of all abilities, many of whom will be far brighter than he, regardless of prior AAP experience. It's amazing how that works.

I guess I care, because my kid is in AAP at a RR/Carson/Longfellow, making great grades (a 4.0, but all core academic subjects 97 or greater), putting forth zero effort, and complaining about being bored all the time. So, I wish FCPS to finally challenge him. If these same kids, who are not pushing him now, funnel to HS with him, and then the classes get further watered down, then yes, I guess getting a challenging "honors curriculum isn't realistic. Maybe your brilliant kid who couldn't make AAP will run circles around him-- it would be nice if someone did. But I sorta doubt it. Here's hoping for TJ.

So it's up to other kids to "push" yours? That line could use a rewrite. And please keep trying to be as casually condescending as possible. It's kind of funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But most GE kids are not in honors or AP in HS. Most AAP or self dejectedly honors in MS kids will be.

Do you even have kids in high school yet? This is absolutely false. Most kids who were previously in GE absolutely choose honors and AP classes once in high school. That doesn't mean every single class must be honors or AP - kids can take any mix of regular, honors, or AP classes. The point is that they can choose for themselves. My previously Gen Ed kid took nine AP classes in high school and the rest were a mix of (mainly) honors and regular, depending on interest and/or strength in particular subjects. His friends did the same, and they are now at a variety of excellent universities.

I'm not sure where some of you get the very false impression that GE kids remain GE kids in high school. It's moronic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But most GE kids are not in honors or AP in HS. Most AAP or self dejectedly honors in MS kids will be.

Do you even have kids in high school yet? This is absolutely false. Most kids who were previously in GE absolutely choose honors and AP classes once in high school. That doesn't mean every single class must be honors or AP - kids can take any mix of regular, honors, or AP classes. The point is that they can choose for themselves. My previously Gen Ed kid took nine AP classes in high school and the rest were a mix of (mainly) honors and regular, depending on interest and/or strength in particular subjects. His friends did the same, and they are now at a variety of excellent universities.

I'm not sure where some of you get the very false impression that GE kids remain GE kids in high school. It's moronic.

Moronic? How so? Assuming you're right, and there's only your word for that so far, the "very false impression" that GE kids remain GE kids would seem merely wrong or falsely intuitive, or whatever. Not mean spirited, not stupid. You yourself asked if PP had kids in high school yet, suggesting that your facts come from first hand knowledge, not brains. In short, your insults don't do you any favors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a tcontinuance of the same GE students from MS.

This is not only laughable, but absolute B.S. I've had three kids in high school so far, and one is now in college. Only one of them was in AAP in elementary and middle school. This child is probably my least prepared of all and not nearly as serious a student as his siblings. AAP didn't somehow magically transform him into a stellar student.

AAP has ZERO to do with high school course selection or success. In middle school, kids can self-select all honors classes if they wish. In high school, they can self-select honors, AP/IB, or regular. The AP classes my kids have taken are full of kids who were never in AAP, in addition to those who were. It's a complete mix of kids, as it should be. I think some of you are trying to make some sort of (false) correlation between elementary/middle school AAP and AP/IB classes in high school. They have nothing to do with one another. And for those of you saying that AAP kids are "better prepared" for the rigors of high school, that too would be B.S. It's completely dependent on the student and their work ethic, interests, etc. I can't believe the ridiculous rumors I've read on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a continuance of the same GE students from MS.

Your assertion is not proof.

Your demand for proof is not a counter argument. Wouldn't it be more effective to put up your own proof that most Gen Ed students who opt out of honors in middle school go on to embrace it in high school.

You think there are a ton of kids who can't hack honors/AAP English or math in MS, but suddenly have not just the talent, but the foundation, to go up to honors in HS? I seriously doubt it. There are always exceptions, but I'm sure most kids on the GE MS track stay there is HS.

Wait until high school, then get back to us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But most GE kids are not in honors or AP in HS. Most AAP or self dejectedly honors in MS kids will be.

Do you even have kids in high school yet? This is absolutely false. Most kids who were previously in GE absolutely choose honors and AP classes once in high school. That doesn't mean every single class must be honors or AP - kids can take any mix of regular, honors, or AP classes. The point is that they can choose for themselves. My previously Gen Ed kid took nine AP classes in high school and the rest were a mix of (mainly) honors and regular, depending on interest and/or strength in particular subjects. His friends did the same, and they are now at a variety of excellent universities.

I'm not sure where some of you get the very false impression that GE kids remain GE kids in high school. It's moronic.

Moronic? How so? Assuming you're right, and there's only your word for that so far, the "very false impression" that GE kids remain GE kids would seem merely wrong or falsely intuitive, or whatever. Not mean spirited, not stupid. You yourself asked if PP had kids in high school yet, suggesting that your facts come from first hand knowledge, not brains. In short, your insults don't do you any favors.

You're claiming I'm insulting? I never called anyone "mean spirited" or "stupid." Perhaps that was you? And isn't it also you who feels it necessary to paint all GE kids with the same brush, claiming that few if any GE kids choose honors or AP classes in high school?

Your post makes no sense whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is what I would be interested in. Hearing from a teacher in a FCPS MS AAP Center. Are self-selected honors and AAP classes doing the same work at the same level in your school? Or are the AAP classes stronger? I'd be especially interested in light of the fact that my AAP kid starts HS next year. Is he going to find honors work to be step down for a couple years until he hits IB (at one of the strong IB schools?). Or will it continue at the same pace as AAP has? Or can we hope for harder in 9th grade? Because, at this point, we are seeing high As with minimal effort at a "strong" AAP Center MS.

NP here. I guess my answer would be, who cares? Once in high school, your child will be in classes filled with all kind of kids, including those who were never in AAP, but who are now (finally) able to self-select honors, AP or IB classes. I guarantee your child will not find any of his high school classes a "step down" ( ) from middle school, regardless of what level he is currently in. He will be surrounded by kids of all abilities, many of whom will be far brighter than he, regardless of prior AAP experience. It's amazing how that works.

I guess I care, because my kid is in AAP at a RR/Carson/Longfellow, making great grades (a 4.0, but all core academic subjects 97 or greater), putting forth zero effort, and complaining about being bored all the time. So, I wish FCPS to finally challenge him. If these same kids, who are not pushing him now, funnel to HS with him, and then the classes get further watered down, then yes, I guess getting a challenging "honors curriculum isn't realistic. Maybe your brilliant kid who couldn't make AAP will run circles around him-- it would be nice if someone did. But I sorta doubt it. Here's hoping for TJ.

So it's up to other kids to "push" yours? That line could use a rewrite. And please keep trying to be as casually condescending as possible. It's kind of funny.

AMEN to that. I love how it's somehow the responsibility of other kids to give PP's kids a challenge. I would actually love to see this kid actually get into TJ and find himself completely out of his league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a tcontinuance of the same GE students from MS.

This is not only laughable, but absolute B.S. I've had three kids in high school so far, and one is now in college. Only one of them was in AAP in elementary and middle school. This child is probably my least prepared of all and not nearly as serious a student as his siblings. AAP didn't somehow magically transform him into a stellar student.

AAP has ZERO to do with high school course selection or success. In middle school, kids can self-select all honors classes if they wish. In high school, they can self-select honors, AP/IB, or regular. The AP classes my kids have taken are full of kids who were never in AAP, in addition to those who were. It's a complete mix of kids, as it should be. I think some of you are trying to make some sort of (false) correlation between elementary/middle school AAP and AP/IB classes in high school. They have nothing to do with one another. And for those of you saying that AAP kids are "better prepared" for the rigors of high school, that too would be B.S. It's completely dependent on the student and their work ethic, interests, etc. I can't believe the ridiculous rumors I've read on this forum.

Were your kids in MS honors? My post isn't AAP specific. Reread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a continuance of the same GE students from MS.

Your assertion is not proof.

Your demand for proof is not a counter argument. Wouldn't it be more effective to put up your own proof that most Gen Ed students who opt out of honors in middle school go on to embrace it in high school.

You think there are a ton of kids who can't hack honors/AAP English or math in MS, but suddenly have not just the talent, but the foundation, to go up to honors in HS? I seriously doubt it. There are always exceptions, but I'm sure most kids on the GE MS track stay there is HS.

Wait until high school, then get back to us.

Unless they are dumbing down the curriculum and slowing the pace, I'm not sure how a kids who doesn't take honors or is in aap will be successful in, say, honors English.