Do you think parents who volunteer and donate more to schools deserve better treatment for their child?

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Anonymous wrote:I work FT, also volunteer plenty. Have generally had my teacher requests acknowledged.

What I do think parents who put in significant time at the school should get is preferential seating at school events. Fight me on it. It would kill me when I was working FT, plus doing five hours a wk of PTA board duties and knowing most families do jack squat but will show up 45 minutes early to stake out fhe best row for a school concert ... and Id be hustling to find senior citizen grandparents a spot near rear of the gym.

Grandparents belong in the rear. They had their turn. I'm tired of sitting behind grandparents who put their phones in my face to record the grandkids. Sit in the back and let the parents see.

Not if drama mom gets her way— grandparents front and center as there are some of the seats she’s saving…

She gets seats for herself but a whole row for grandparents? I guess she'll have to have a confrontation when the programs and sweaters are removed from seats.

She claims to save front and center for her spouse, kids, and the grandparents. She is shocked that people find this inappropriate.

She doesn't though because she's so mad the elderly grandparents who don't even need to be there have to sit in the back. They belong in the back so that's a problem that solves itself.

I don't believe in saving seats, but there's a good reason for elderly people who can't see or hear as well to be up front. This is especially true if there's limited seating and they might not get a seat. We have to take care to get my mother good seats at stuff like this because otherwise she might as well not be there.

I'm short and have kids actively in school. I don't deserve to sit behind your 6'0 elderly dad He can sit in the back. Your mom can have cake with you after this is for kids and parents, grandparents are 2nd class.

If you can't be understanding about other people's needs, there's no reason for other people to be understanding about your needs. If you want a seat upfront, get there early.

I do and sure as shit won't be giving up seat for elderly grandparents. They can sit in the car. I'm there to see my kids. The people who invited the grandparents should have thought it through.

I explicitly said we take care to make sure we get seats, but please continue to rage about grandparents who love their grandkids enough to come see them. I guess you don't have that.

NP, and you are correct my kids do not have grandparents in their life who love them enough to come see them. That's precisely why I do not care AT ALL about your parents getting "good" seats to a school play. My kids have their parents and that's it, so I'm going to make sure they can see me and feel supported.

When people walk in with their 8 extended family members all like "oh hey, everyone, can we all just move around so my kid can bathe in the joy of knowing that all four grandparents, their great aunt, and two cousins all came to watch them have two lines in this play? it's just so important to our family!" I'm like, "f*** off, you don't have problems, sit in the back." For real.

So you're just raging at people with functional families because you don't have one. That's nuts. You need therapy.

(1) Of course I need therapy, which I get, because I had crap parents.
(2) I'm not raging, I'm just informing you of my thought process here.
(3) If you have a big, functional, supportive family, I do not view you as someone I need to "help." I actually think if you are in that position, you should do more to help others. Which is why I think it's ridiculous when people in your position expect me or my husband to give up good seats at a school play to accommodate your huge family, as though my family's needs don't matter and it's more important for your parents to sit up close than for my kid to see the two loving, supportive family members they DO have in the audience so they know someone is pulling for them. Your kids already know that. Mine need more help.

Your parents can sit further back and it's fine. It is not fair to save a ton of seats towards the front for ONE family. All of the kids need support.

My parents can't sit further back and be fine, because they're elderly. They can't see or hear well. You probably can, and your kids are not less supported because you're not front and center.

My initial comment was in response to the claim that "grandparents belong in the rear." If someone else can see and hear just as well from the back as my parents can from the front, that's a good reason for them to be upfront. I also explicitly said we don't save seats, so try to read more carefully.

DP but I assume your parents are corporeal? My 5 y/o can’t see over or through them to watch her sibling. This is why some schools limit tickets— no one needs the 10 family members of one student crowding out the single parent of another.

I wish I could help but the good posters of DCUM have set me straight. Let me see if I have it right:

Sorry, but your 5 year old being short is not my problem. If that's a problem for you, you should have gotten there earlier to figure it out. Record it and she can watch it later. Parents > siblings at school events. She'll have her turn. She's not entitled to seats where she can see.

You don’t need to help— we will be there early or she will sit on my lap. My point is that your parents create a burden on other members of the audience that you don’t seem to be aware of.

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Anonymous wrote:I work FT, also volunteer plenty. Have generally had my teacher requests acknowledged.

What I do think parents who put in significant time at the school should get is preferential seating at school events. Fight me on it. It would kill me when I was working FT, plus doing five hours a wk of PTA board duties and knowing most families do jack squat but will show up 45 minutes early to stake out fhe best row for a school concert ... and Id be hustling to find senior citizen grandparents a spot near rear of the gym.

Grandparents belong in the rear. They had their turn. I'm tired of sitting behind grandparents who put their phones in my face to record the grandkids. Sit in the back and let the parents see.

Not if drama mom gets her way— grandparents front and center as there are some of the seats she’s saving…

She gets seats for herself but a whole row for grandparents? I guess she'll have to have a confrontation when the programs and sweaters are removed from seats.

She claims to save front and center for her spouse, kids, and the grandparents. She is shocked that people find this inappropriate.

She doesn't though because she's so mad the elderly grandparents who don't even need to be there have to sit in the back. They belong in the back so that's a problem that solves itself.

I don't believe in saving seats, but there's a good reason for elderly people who can't see or hear as well to be up front. This is especially true if there's limited seating and they might not get a seat. We have to take care to get my mother good seats at stuff like this because otherwise she might as well not be there.

I'm short and have kids actively in school. I don't deserve to sit behind your 6'0 elderly dad He can sit in the back. Your mom can have cake with you after this is for kids and parents, grandparents are 2nd class.

If you can't be understanding about other people's needs, there's no reason for other people to be understanding about your needs. If you want a seat upfront, get there early.

I do and sure as shit won't be giving up seat for elderly grandparents. They can sit in the car. I'm there to see my kids. The people who invited the grandparents should have thought it through.

I explicitly said we take care to make sure we get seats, but please continue to rage about grandparents who love their grandkids enough to come see them. I guess you don't have that.

NP, and you are correct my kids do not have grandparents in their life who love them enough to come see them. That's precisely why I do not care AT ALL about your parents getting "good" seats to a school play. My kids have their parents and that's it, so I'm going to make sure they can see me and feel supported.

When people walk in with their 8 extended family members all like "oh hey, everyone, can we all just move around so my kid can bathe in the joy of knowing that all four grandparents, their great aunt, and two cousins all came to watch them have two lines in this play? it's just so important to our family!" I'm like, "f*** off, you don't have problems, sit in the back." For real.

So you're just raging at people with functional families because you don't have one. That's nuts. You need therapy.

(1) Of course I need therapy, which I get, because I had crap parents.
(2) I'm not raging, I'm just informing you of my thought process here.
(3) If you have a big, functional, supportive family, I do not view you as someone I need to "help." I actually think if you are in that position, you should do more to help others. Which is why I think it's ridiculous when people in your position expect me or my husband to give up good seats at a school play to accommodate your huge family, as though my family's needs don't matter and it's more important for your parents to sit up close than for my kid to see the two loving, supportive family members they DO have in the audience so they know someone is pulling for them. Your kids already know that. Mine need more help.

Your parents can sit further back and it's fine. It is not fair to save a ton of seats towards the front for ONE family. All of the kids need support.

My parents can't sit further back and be fine, because they're elderly. They can't see or hear well. You probably can, and your kids are not less supported because you're not front and center.

My initial comment was in response to the claim that "grandparents belong in the rear." If someone else can see and hear just as well from the back as my parents can from the front, that's a good reason for them to be upfront. I also explicitly said we don't save seats, so try to read more carefully.

You don't make much sense. Your parents will be just fine in the back. I will sit where I like and won't be moving to accommodate any elderly people because parents > grandparents at school functions. Get them hearing aids or record it and send it to them later.
They aren't entitled to front row seats.

+1, the entitlement here is exhausting, but you see it all the time. This is an annual feature of my kid's dance recital, which requires actual tickets because it's in a theater with a max capacity. Every family gets 2 tickets automatically as part of your recital fee, but any extras must be purchased or begged off other people. And every year there are these people who simply MUST bring like 10 friends and family members to this thing and are dramatic and irritating for weeks leading up to recital trying to secure those tickets. There are obviously not enough seats for every family to bring 10 people. But don't go trying to explain that to them. They truly do feel that their meemaw's presence at this recital is more important than another child simply having their parents' in the audience.

I actually had a grandmother once tell me to move out of the way so she could record her granddaughter. I pointed to my daughter and said "too bad, that's my daughter" and didn't move for her. The selfishness of some of the grandparents are out of bounds. Parents don't need to step aside so they can get the perfect video.

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Anonymous wrote:I work FT, also volunteer plenty. Have generally had my teacher requests acknowledged.

What I do think parents who put in significant time at the school should get is preferential seating at school events. Fight me on it. It would kill me when I was working FT, plus doing five hours a wk of PTA board duties and knowing most families do jack squat but will show up 45 minutes early to stake out fhe best row for a school concert ... and Id be hustling to find senior citizen grandparents a spot near rear of the gym.

Grandparents belong in the rear. They had their turn. I'm tired of sitting behind grandparents who put their phones in my face to record the grandkids. Sit in the back and let the parents see.

Not if drama mom gets her way— grandparents front and center as there are some of the seats she’s saving…

She gets seats for herself but a whole row for grandparents? I guess she'll have to have a confrontation when the programs and sweaters are removed from seats.

She claims to save front and center for her spouse, kids, and the grandparents. She is shocked that people find this inappropriate.

She doesn't though because she's so mad the elderly grandparents who don't even need to be there have to sit in the back. They belong in the back so that's a problem that solves itself.

I don't believe in saving seats, but there's a good reason for elderly people who can't see or hear as well to be up front. This is especially true if there's limited seating and they might not get a seat. We have to take care to get my mother good seats at stuff like this because otherwise she might as well not be there.

I'm short and have kids actively in school. I don't deserve to sit behind your 6'0 elderly dad He can sit in the back. Your mom can have cake with you after this is for kids and parents, grandparents are 2nd class.

If you can't be understanding about other people's needs, there's no reason for other people to be understanding about your needs. If you want a seat upfront, get there early.

I do and sure as shit won't be giving up seat for elderly grandparents. They can sit in the car. I'm there to see my kids. The people who invited the grandparents should have thought it through.

I explicitly said we take care to make sure we get seats, but please continue to rage about grandparents who love their grandkids enough to come see them. I guess you don't have that.

NP, and you are correct my kids do not have grandparents in their life who love them enough to come see them. That's precisely why I do not care AT ALL about your parents getting "good" seats to a school play. My kids have their parents and that's it, so I'm going to make sure they can see me and feel supported.

When people walk in with their 8 extended family members all like "oh hey, everyone, can we all just move around so my kid can bathe in the joy of knowing that all four grandparents, their great aunt, and two cousins all came to watch them have two lines in this play? it's just so important to our family!" I'm like, "f*** off, you don't have problems, sit in the back." For real.

So you're just raging at people with functional families because you don't have one. That's nuts. You need therapy.

(1) Of course I need therapy, which I get, because I had crap parents.
(2) I'm not raging, I'm just informing you of my thought process here.
(3) If you have a big, functional, supportive family, I do not view you as someone I need to "help." I actually think if you are in that position, you should do more to help others. Which is why I think it's ridiculous when people in your position expect me or my husband to give up good seats at a school play to accommodate your huge family, as though my family's needs don't matter and it's more important for your parents to sit up close than for my kid to see the two loving, supportive family members they DO have in the audience so they know someone is pulling for them. Your kids already know that. Mine need more help.

Your parents can sit further back and it's fine. It is not fair to save a ton of seats towards the front for ONE family. All of the kids need support.

My parents can't sit further back and be fine, because they're elderly. They can't see or hear well. You probably can, and your kids are not less supported because you're not front and center.

My initial comment was in response to the claim that "grandparents belong in the rear." If someone else can see and hear just as well from the back as my parents can from the front, that's a good reason for them to be upfront. I also explicitly said we don't save seats, so try to read more carefully.

DP but I assume your parents are corporeal? My 5 y/o can’t see over or through them to watch her sibling. This is why some schools limit tickets— no one needs the 10 family members of one student crowding out the single parent of another.

I wish I could help but the good posters of DCUM have set me straight. Let me see if I have it right:

Sorry, but your 5 year old being short is not my problem. If that's a problem for you, you should have gotten there earlier to figure it out. Record it and she can watch it later. Parents > siblings at school events. She'll have her turn. She's not entitled to seats where she can see.

This is a non-issue because the 5 yr old can actually just sit on the ground in the front, that's how our school does it to avoid adults blocking the view of kids. Little kids can't see over anyone (even a tall sibling), and there are only so many seats in the front row, so this is the only way to do it and ensure they can see.

This conversation is reminding me how much I hate going to school plays and recitals. It's so uncomfortable and annoying. I love watching my kid perform but I look forward to when they are older and it can happen in a real auditorium rather than a school gym where these issues make it unpleasant.

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Anonymous wrote:No. There should be no "compensation" for "volunteering". That misses the WHOLE point of the concept of volunteering.

Yeah the school owes me nothing for volunteering. However if I work hard on some alpha PTA lady’s pet project she should have the courtesy not to avoid eye contact and ignore me the next time she sees me. That I would appreciate.

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Anonymous wrote:I work FT, also volunteer plenty. Have generally had my teacher requests acknowledged.

What I do think parents who put in significant time at the school should get is preferential seating at school events. Fight me on it. It would kill me when I was working FT, plus doing five hours a wk of PTA board duties and knowing most families do jack squat but will show up 45 minutes early to stake out fhe best row for a school concert ... and Id be hustling to find senior citizen grandparents a spot near rear of the gym.

Grandparents belong in the rear. They had their turn. I'm tired of sitting behind grandparents who put their phones in my face to record the grandkids. Sit in the back and let the parents see.

Not if drama mom gets her way— grandparents front and center as there are some of the seats she’s saving…

She gets seats for herself but a whole row for grandparents? I guess she'll have to have a confrontation when the programs and sweaters are removed from seats.

She claims to save front and center for her spouse, kids, and the grandparents. She is shocked that people find this inappropriate.

She doesn't though because she's so mad the elderly grandparents who don't even need to be there have to sit in the back. They belong in the back so that's a problem that solves itself.

I don't believe in saving seats, but there's a good reason for elderly people who can't see or hear as well to be up front. This is especially true if there's limited seating and they might not get a seat. We have to take care to get my mother good seats at stuff like this because otherwise she might as well not be there.

I'm short and have kids actively in school. I don't deserve to sit behind your 6'0 elderly dad He can sit in the back. Your mom can have cake with you after this is for kids and parents, grandparents are 2nd class.

If you can't be understanding about other people's needs, there's no reason for other people to be understanding about your needs. If you want a seat upfront, get there early.

I do and sure as shit won't be giving up seat for elderly grandparents. They can sit in the car. I'm there to see my kids. The people who invited the grandparents should have thought it through.

I explicitly said we take care to make sure we get seats, but please continue to rage about grandparents who love their grandkids enough to come see them. I guess you don't have that.

NP, and you are correct my kids do not have grandparents in their life who love them enough to come see them. That's precisely why I do not care AT ALL about your parents getting "good" seats to a school play. My kids have their parents and that's it, so I'm going to make sure they can see me and feel supported.

When people walk in with their 8 extended family members all like "oh hey, everyone, can we all just move around so my kid can bathe in the joy of knowing that all four grandparents, their great aunt, and two cousins all came to watch them have two lines in this play? it's just so important to our family!" I'm like, "f*** off, you don't have problems, sit in the back." For real.

So you're just raging at people with functional families because you don't have one. That's nuts. You need therapy.

(1) Of course I need therapy, which I get, because I had crap parents.
(2) I'm not raging, I'm just informing you of my thought process here.
(3) If you have a big, functional, supportive family, I do not view you as someone I need to "help." I actually think if you are in that position, you should do more to help others. Which is why I think it's ridiculous when people in your position expect me or my husband to give up good seats at a school play to accommodate your huge family, as though my family's needs don't matter and it's more important for your parents to sit up close than for my kid to see the two loving, supportive family members they DO have in the audience so they know someone is pulling for them. Your kids already know that. Mine need more help.

Your parents can sit further back and it's fine. It is not fair to save a ton of seats towards the front for ONE family. All of the kids need support.

My parents can't sit further back and be fine, because they're elderly. They can't see or hear well. You probably can, and your kids are not less supported because you're not front and center.

My initial comment was in response to the claim that "grandparents belong in the rear." If someone else can see and hear just as well from the back as my parents can from the front, that's a good reason for them to be upfront. I also explicitly said we don't save seats, so try to read more carefully.

You don't make much sense. Your parents will be just fine in the back. I will sit where I like and won't be moving to accommodate any elderly people because parents > grandparents at school functions. Get them hearing aids or record it and send it to them later.
They aren't entitled to front row seats.

+1, the entitlement here is exhausting, but you see it all the time. This is an annual feature of my kid's dance recital, which requires actual tickets because it's in a theater with a max capacity. Every family gets 2 tickets automatically as part of your recital fee, but any extras must be purchased or begged off other people. And every year there are these people who simply MUST bring like 10 friends and family members to this thing and are dramatic and irritating for weeks leading up to recital trying to secure those tickets. There are obviously not enough seats for every family to bring 10 people. But don't go trying to explain that to them. They truly do feel that their meemaw's presence at this recital is more important than another child simply having their parents' in the audience.

I actually had a grandmother once tell me to move out of the way so she could record her granddaughter. I pointed to my daughter and said "too bad, that's my daughter" and didn't move for her. The selfishness of some of the grandparents are out of bounds. Parents don't need to step aside so they can get the perfect video.

This, some of the grandparents are so rude and entitled. They only care about their grandkid and don't now how to be pro-social in that environment. It's tiresome.

That video she's taking is annoying, too, because it's just so she can brag to her friends about it. It's not for the kids or even the family, it's just bragging rights for some pushy grandma whose friends probably roll their eyes behind her back anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:I work FT, also volunteer plenty. Have generally had my teacher requests acknowledged.

What I do think parents who put in significant time at the school should get is preferential seating at school events. Fight me on it. It would kill me when I was working FT, plus doing five hours a wk of PTA board duties and knowing most families do jack squat but will show up 45 minutes early to stake out fhe best row for a school concert ... and Id be hustling to find senior citizen grandparents a spot near rear of the gym.

Grandparents belong in the rear. They had their turn. I'm tired of sitting behind grandparents who put their phones in my face to record the grandkids. Sit in the back and let the parents see.

Not if drama mom gets her way— grandparents front and center as there are some of the seats she’s saving…

She gets seats for herself but a whole row for grandparents? I guess she'll have to have a confrontation when the programs and sweaters are removed from seats.

She claims to save front and center for her spouse, kids, and the grandparents. She is shocked that people find this inappropriate.

She doesn't though because she's so mad the elderly grandparents who don't even need to be there have to sit in the back. They belong in the back so that's a problem that solves itself.

I don't believe in saving seats, but there's a good reason for elderly people who can't see or hear as well to be up front. This is especially true if there's limited seating and they might not get a seat. We have to take care to get my mother good seats at stuff like this because otherwise she might as well not be there.

I'm short and have kids actively in school. I don't deserve to sit behind your 6'0 elderly dad He can sit in the back. Your mom can have cake with you after this is for kids and parents, grandparents are 2nd class.

If you can't be understanding about other people's needs, there's no reason for other people to be understanding about your needs. If you want a seat upfront, get there early.

I do and sure as shit won't be giving up seat for elderly grandparents. They can sit in the car. I'm there to see my kids. The people who invited the grandparents should have thought it through.

I explicitly said we take care to make sure we get seats, but please continue to rage about grandparents who love their grandkids enough to come see them. I guess you don't have that.

NP, and you are correct my kids do not have grandparents in their life who love them enough to come see them. That's precisely why I do not care AT ALL about your parents getting "good" seats to a school play. My kids have their parents and that's it, so I'm going to make sure they can see me and feel supported.

When people walk in with their 8 extended family members all like "oh hey, everyone, can we all just move around so my kid can bathe in the joy of knowing that all four grandparents, their great aunt, and two cousins all came to watch them have two lines in this play? it's just so important to our family!" I'm like, "f*** off, you don't have problems, sit in the back." For real.

So you're just raging at people with functional families because you don't have one. That's nuts. You need therapy.

(1) Of course I need therapy, which I get, because I had crap parents.
(2) I'm not raging, I'm just informing you of my thought process here.
(3) If you have a big, functional, supportive family, I do not view you as someone I need to "help." I actually think if you are in that position, you should do more to help others. Which is why I think it's ridiculous when people in your position expect me or my husband to give up good seats at a school play to accommodate your huge family, as though my family's needs don't matter and it's more important for your parents to sit up close than for my kid to see the two loving, supportive family members they DO have in the audience so they know someone is pulling for them. Your kids already know that. Mine need more help.

Your parents can sit further back and it's fine. It is not fair to save a ton of seats towards the front for ONE family. All of the kids need support.

My parents can't sit further back and be fine, because they're elderly. They can't see or hear well. You probably can, and your kids are not less supported because you're not front and center.

My initial comment was in response to the claim that "grandparents belong in the rear." If someone else can see and hear just as well from the back as my parents can from the front, that's a good reason for them to be upfront. I also explicitly said we don't save seats, so try to read more carefully.

You don't make much sense. Your parents will be just fine in the back. I will sit where I like and won't be moving to accommodate any elderly people because parents > grandparents at school functions. Get them hearing aids or record it and send it to them later.
They aren't entitled to front row seats.

+1, the entitlement here is exhausting, but you see it all the time. This is an annual feature of my kid's dance recital, which requires actual tickets because it's in a theater with a max capacity. Every family gets 2 tickets automatically as part of your recital fee, but any extras must be purchased or begged off other people. And every year there are these people who simply MUST bring like 10 friends and family members to this thing and are dramatic and irritating for weeks leading up to recital trying to secure those tickets. There are obviously not enough seats for every family to bring 10 people. But don't go trying to explain that to them. They truly do feel that their meemaw's presence at this recital is more important than another child simply having their parents' in the audience.

I actually had a grandmother once tell me to move out of the way so she could record her granddaughter. I pointed to my daughter and said "too bad, that's my daughter" and didn't move for her. The selfishness of some of the grandparents are out of bounds. Parents don't need to step aside so they can get the perfect video.

This, some of the grandparents are so rude and entitled. They only care about their grandkid and don't now how to be pro-social in that environment. It's tiresome.

That video she's taking is annoying, too, because it's just so she can brag to her friends about it. It's not for the kids or even the family, it's just bragging rights for some pushy grandma whose friends probably roll their eyes behind her back anyway.

You don't get to tell people to get out of your way in these situations. It was a group performance, everyone wants to see. But it takes some kind of nerve to ask a parent to move because you think you have more of a right to be there waving your phone around.

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You all are absolutely pathetic. Double up on that therapy, refill your Rx, go to your place of worship, go outside barefoot, breathe, pet a goat, meditate, get laid or take a toke, seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are absolutely pathetic. Double up on that therapy, refill your Rx, go to your place of worship, go outside barefoot, breathe, pet a goat, meditate, get laid or take a toke, seriously.

You sound outraged. Take your own advice.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are absolutely pathetic. Double up on that therapy, refill your Rx, go to your place of worship, go outside barefoot, breathe, pet a goat, meditate, get laid or take a toke, seriously.

You sound outraged. Take your own advice.

After reading this hateful thread, there’s something wrong with you if you’re not outraged.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are absolutely pathetic. Double up on that therapy, refill your Rx, go to your place of worship, go outside barefoot, breathe, pet a goat, meditate, get laid or take a toke, seriously.

You sound outraged. Take your own advice.

After reading this hateful thread, there’s something wrong with you if you’re not outraged.

What are you outraged about, I don't get it? That people won't move so your parents can sit in the front row? That you volunteer to help at school and it doesn't result in getting "perks"? I don't get it. This thread is fine.

If this subject upsets you that much, you're overly invested in all of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I work FT, also volunteer plenty. Have generally had my teacher requests acknowledged.

What I do think parents who put in significant time at the school should get is preferential seating at school events. Fight me on it. It would kill me when I was working FT, plus doing five hours a wk of PTA board duties and knowing most families do jack squat but will show up 45 minutes early to stake out fhe best row for a school concert ... and Id be hustling to find senior citizen grandparents a spot near rear of the gym.

Grandparents belong in the rear. They had their turn. I'm tired of sitting behind grandparents who put their phones in my face to record the grandkids. Sit in the back and let the parents see.

Not if drama mom gets her way— grandparents front and center as there are some of the seats she’s saving…

She gets seats for herself but a whole row for grandparents? I guess she'll have to have a confrontation when the programs and sweaters are removed from seats.

She claims to save front and center for her spouse, kids, and the grandparents. She is shocked that people find this inappropriate.

She doesn't though because she's so mad the elderly grandparents who don't even need to be there have to sit in the back. They belong in the back so that's a problem that solves itself.

I don't believe in saving seats, but there's a good reason for elderly people who can't see or hear as well to be up front. This is especially true if there's limited seating and they might not get a seat. We have to take care to get my mother good seats at stuff like this because otherwise she might as well not be there.

I'm short and have kids actively in school. I don't deserve to sit behind your 6'0 elderly dad He can sit in the back. Your mom can have cake with you after this is for kids and parents, grandparents are 2nd class.

If you can't be understanding about other people's needs, there's no reason for other people to be understanding about your needs. If you want a seat upfront, get there early.

I do and sure as shit won't be giving up seat for elderly grandparents. They can sit in the car. I'm there to see my kids. The people who invited the grandparents should have thought it through.

I explicitly said we take care to make sure we get seats, but please continue to rage about grandparents who love their grandkids enough to come see them. I guess you don't have that.

NP, and you are correct my kids do not have grandparents in their life who love them enough to come see them. That's precisely why I do not care AT ALL about your parents getting "good" seats to a school play. My kids have their parents and that's it, so I'm going to make sure they can see me and feel supported.

When people walk in with their 8 extended family members all like "oh hey, everyone, can we all just move around so my kid can bathe in the joy of knowing that all four grandparents, their great aunt, and two cousins all came to watch them have two lines in this play? it's just so important to our family!" I'm like, "f*** off, you don't have problems, sit in the back." For real.

So you're just raging at people with functional families because you don't have one. That's nuts. You need therapy.

(1) Of course I need therapy, which I get, because I had crap parents.
(2) I'm not raging, I'm just informing you of my thought process here.
(3) If you have a big, functional, supportive family, I do not view you as someone I need to "help." I actually think if you are in that position, you should do more to help others. Which is why I think it's ridiculous when people in your position expect me or my husband to give up good seats at a school play to accommodate your huge family, as though my family's needs don't matter and it's more important for your parents to sit up close than for my kid to see the two loving, supportive family members they DO have in the audience so they know someone is pulling for them. Your kids already know that. Mine need more help.

Your parents can sit further back and it's fine. It is not fair to save a ton of seats towards the front for ONE family. All of the kids need support.

My parents can't sit further back and be fine, because they're elderly. They can't see or hear well. You probably can, and your kids are not less supported because you're not front and center.

My initial comment was in response to the claim that "grandparents belong in the rear." If someone else can see and hear just as well from the back as my parents can from the front, that's a good reason for them to be upfront. I also explicitly said we don't save seats, so try to read more carefully.

You don't make much sense. Your parents will be just fine in the back. I will sit where I like and won't be moving to accommodate any elderly people because parents > grandparents at school functions. Get them hearing aids or record it and send it to them later.
They aren't entitled to front row seats.

+1, the entitlement here is exhausting, but you see it all the time. This is an annual feature of my kid's dance recital, which requires actual tickets because it's in a theater with a max capacity. Every family gets 2 tickets automatically as part of your recital fee, but any extras must be purchased or begged off other people. And every year there are these people who simply MUST bring like 10 friends and family members to this thing and are dramatic and irritating for weeks leading up to recital trying to secure those tickets. There are obviously not enough seats for every family to bring 10 people. But don't go trying to explain that to them. They truly do feel that their meemaw's presence at this recital is more important than another child simply having their parents' in the audience.

I actually had a grandmother once tell me to move out of the way so she could record her granddaughter. I pointed to my daughter and said "too bad, that's my daughter" and didn't move for her. The selfishness of some of the grandparents are out of bounds. Parents don't need to step aside so they can get the perfect video.

This, some of the grandparents are so rude and entitled. They only care about their grandkid and don't now how to be pro-social in that environment. It's tiresome.

That video she's taking is annoying, too, because it's just so she can brag to her friends about it. It's not for the kids or even the family, it's just bragging rights for some pushy grandma whose friends probably roll their eyes behind her back anyway.

My FIL actually boxed out his own granddaughter on a recent cruise we took! She had a good view until he stood in front of her selfishly!

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Anonymous wrote:You all are absolutely pathetic. Double up on that therapy, refill your Rx, go to your place of worship, go outside barefoot, breathe, pet a goat, meditate, get laid or take a toke, seriously.

You sound outraged. Take your own advice.

After reading this hateful thread, there’s something wrong with you if you’re not outraged.

What are you outraged about, I don't get it? That people won't move so your parents can sit in the front row? That you volunteer to help at school and it doesn't result in getting "perks"? I don't get it. This thread is fine.

If this subject upsets you that much, you're overly invested in all of it.

Gaslight much?

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Anonymous wrote:You all are absolutely pathetic. Double up on that therapy, refill your Rx, go to your place of worship, go outside barefoot, breathe, pet a goat, meditate, get laid or take a toke, seriously.

You sound outraged. Take your own advice.

After reading this hateful thread, there’s something wrong with you if you’re not outraged.

What are you outraged about, I don't get it? That people won't move so your parents can sit in the front row? That you volunteer to help at school and it doesn't result in getting "perks"? I don't get it. This thread is fine.

If this subject upsets you that much, you're overly invested in all of it.

Gaslight much?

You don’t know what that word means idiot

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Anonymous wrote:I work FT, also volunteer plenty. Have generally had my teacher requests acknowledged.

What I do think parents who put in significant time at the school should get is preferential seating at school events. Fight me on it. It would kill me when I was working FT, plus doing five hours a wk of PTA board duties and knowing most families do jack squat but will show up 45 minutes early to stake out fhe best row for a school concert ... and Id be hustling to find senior citizen grandparents a spot near rear of the gym.

Grandparents belong in the rear. They had their turn. I'm tired of sitting behind grandparents who put their phones in my face to record the grandkids. Sit in the back and let the parents see.

Not if drama mom gets her way— grandparents front and center as there are some of the seats she’s saving…

She gets seats for herself but a whole row for grandparents? I guess she'll have to have a confrontation when the programs and sweaters are removed from seats.

She claims to save front and center for her spouse, kids, and the grandparents. She is shocked that people find this inappropriate.

She doesn't though because she's so mad the elderly grandparents who don't even need to be there have to sit in the back. They belong in the back so that's a problem that solves itself.

I don't believe in saving seats, but there's a good reason for elderly people who can't see or hear as well to be up front. This is especially true if there's limited seating and they might not get a seat. We have to take care to get my mother good seats at stuff like this because otherwise she might as well not be there.

I'm short and have kids actively in school. I don't deserve to sit behind your 6'0 elderly dad He can sit in the back. Your mom can have cake with you after this is for kids and parents, grandparents are 2nd class.

If you can't be understanding about other people's needs, there's no reason for other people to be understanding about your needs. If you want a seat upfront, get there early.

I do and sure as shit won't be giving up seat for elderly grandparents. They can sit in the car. I'm there to see my kids. The people who invited the grandparents should have thought it through.

I explicitly said we take care to make sure we get seats, but please continue to rage about grandparents who love their grandkids enough to come see them. I guess you don't have that.

NP, and you are correct my kids do not have grandparents in their life who love them enough to come see them. That's precisely why I do not care AT ALL about your parents getting "good" seats to a school play. My kids have their parents and that's it, so I'm going to make sure they can see me and feel supported.

When people walk in with their 8 extended family members all like "oh hey, everyone, can we all just move around so my kid can bathe in the joy of knowing that all four grandparents, their great aunt, and two cousins all came to watch them have two lines in this play? it's just so important to our family!" I'm like, "f*** off, you don't have problems, sit in the back." For real.

So you're just raging at people with functional families because you don't have one. That's nuts. You need therapy.

(1) Of course I need therapy, which I get, because I had crap parents.
(2) I'm not raging, I'm just informing you of my thought process here.
(3) If you have a big, functional, supportive family, I do not view you as someone I need to "help." I actually think if you are in that position, you should do more to help others. Which is why I think it's ridiculous when people in your position expect me or my husband to give up good seats at a school play to accommodate your huge family, as though my family's needs don't matter and it's more important for your parents to sit up close than for my kid to see the two loving, supportive family members they DO have in the audience so they know someone is pulling for them. Your kids already know that. Mine need more help.

Your parents can sit further back and it's fine. It is not fair to save a ton of seats towards the front for ONE family. All of the kids need support.

My parents can't sit further back and be fine, because they're elderly. They can't see or hear well. You probably can, and your kids are not less supported because you're not front and center.

My initial comment was in response to the claim that "grandparents belong in the rear." If someone else can see and hear just as well from the back as my parents can from the front, that's a good reason for them to be upfront. I also explicitly said we don't save seats, so try to read more carefully.

Yes those old farts need to go to the back

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Anonymous wrote:I work FT, also volunteer plenty. Have generally had my teacher requests acknowledged.

What I do think parents who put in significant time at the school should get is preferential seating at school events. Fight me on it. It would kill me when I was working FT, plus doing five hours a wk of PTA board duties and knowing most families do jack squat but will show up 45 minutes early to stake out fhe best row for a school concert ... and Id be hustling to find senior citizen grandparents a spot near rear of the gym.

Grandparents belong in the rear. They had their turn. I'm tired of sitting behind grandparents who put their phones in my face to record the grandkids. Sit in the back and let the parents see.

Not if drama mom gets her way— grandparents front and center as there are some of the seats she’s saving…

She gets seats for herself but a whole row for grandparents? I guess she'll have to have a confrontation when the programs and sweaters are removed from seats.

She claims to save front and center for her spouse, kids, and the grandparents. She is shocked that people find this inappropriate.

She doesn't though because she's so mad the elderly grandparents who don't even need to be there have to sit in the back. They belong in the back so that's a problem that solves itself.

I don't believe in saving seats, but there's a good reason for elderly people who can't see or hear as well to be up front. This is especially true if there's limited seating and they might not get a seat. We have to take care to get my mother good seats at stuff like this because otherwise she might as well not be there.

I'm short and have kids actively in school. I don't deserve to sit behind your 6'0 elderly dad He can sit in the back. Your mom can have cake with you after this is for kids and parents, grandparents are 2nd class.

If you can't be understanding about other people's needs, there's no reason for other people to be understanding about your needs. If you want a seat upfront, get there early.

I do and sure as shit won't be giving up seat for elderly grandparents. They can sit in the car. I'm there to see my kids. The people who invited the grandparents should have thought it through.

I explicitly said we take care to make sure we get seats, but please continue to rage about grandparents who love their grandkids enough to come see them. I guess you don't have that.

NP, and you are correct my kids do not have grandparents in their life who love them enough to come see them. That's precisely why I do not care AT ALL about your parents getting "good" seats to a school play. My kids have their parents and that's it, so I'm going to make sure they can see me and feel supported.

When people walk in with their 8 extended family members all like "oh hey, everyone, can we all just move around so my kid can bathe in the joy of knowing that all four grandparents, their great aunt, and two cousins all came to watch them have two lines in this play? it's just so important to our family!" I'm like, "f*** off, you don't have problems, sit in the back." For real.

So you're just raging at people with functional families because you don't have one. That's nuts. You need therapy.

(1) Of course I need therapy, which I get, because I had crap parents.
(2) I'm not raging, I'm just informing you of my thought process here.
(3) If you have a big, functional, supportive family, I do not view you as someone I need to "help." I actually think if you are in that position, you should do more to help others. Which is why I think it's ridiculous when people in your position expect me or my husband to give up good seats at a school play to accommodate your huge family, as though my family's needs don't matter and it's more important for your parents to sit up close than for my kid to see the two loving, supportive family members they DO have in the audience so they know someone is pulling for them. Your kids already know that. Mine need more help.

Your parents can sit further back and it's fine. It is not fair to save a ton of seats towards the front for ONE family. All of the kids need support.

My parents can't sit further back and be fine, because they're elderly. They can't see or hear well. You probably can, and your kids are not less supported because you're not front and center.

My initial comment was in response to the claim that "grandparents belong in the rear." If someone else can see and hear just as well from the back as my parents can from the front, that's a good reason for them to be upfront. I also explicitly said we don't save seats, so try to read more carefully.

You don't make much sense. Your parents will be just fine in the back. I will sit where I like and won't be moving to accommodate any elderly people because parents > grandparents at school functions. Get them hearing aids or record it and send it to them later.
They aren't entitled to front row seats.

+1, the entitlement here is exhausting, but you see it all the time. This is an annual feature of my kid's dance recital, which requires actual tickets because it's in a theater with a max capacity. Every family gets 2 tickets automatically as part of your recital fee, but any extras must be purchased or begged off other people. And every year there are these people who simply MUST bring like 10 friends and family members to this thing and are dramatic and irritating for weeks leading up to recital trying to secure those tickets. There are obviously not enough seats for every family to bring 10 people. But don't go trying to explain that to them. They truly do feel that their meemaw's presence at this recital is more important than another child simply having their parents' in the audience.

I actually had a grandmother once tell me to move out of the way so she could record her granddaughter. I pointed to my daughter and said "too bad, that's my daughter" and didn't move for her. The selfishness of some of the grandparents are out of bounds. Parents don't need to step aside so they can get the perfect video.

This, some of the grandparents are so rude and entitled. They only care about their grandkid and don't now how to be pro-social in that environment. It's tiresome.

That video she's taking is annoying, too, because it's just so she can brag to her friends about it. It's not for the kids or even the family, it's just bragging rights for some pushy grandma whose friends probably roll their eyes behind her back anyway.

My FIL actually boxed out his own granddaughter on a recent cruise we took! She had a good view until he stood in front of her selfishly!

He had to get the right pic with his thumb on the lens. To show his dog and neighbor who could not care less when he gets back.