Dartmouth finally publishes their SAT data in the Common Data Set after dropping TO; white enrollment surges

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

"The people who built this country, and the institutions aren't worthy of attending the institutions that their forefather's built". An uncomfortable truth is that Asians have been 20% of the elite schools for a couple decades, but haven't gone on to do the things that the Ivies care about. Look at Dartmouth's famous alumni. Tim Geithner (federal reserve NY), Hank Paulson (Pentagon->Goldman->Treasury), Dr. Seuss, Jeffrey Gundlach (musician->portfolio manager). Despite Asians having access to these elite institutions, they haven't become constitutional attorneys, or federal prosecutors, or other jobs that are culturally significant.

Nobody cares about the alumni who make $750k-$1.5mm as an engineer at some tech company. They need social and politically capital-rich alumni.

I don't mean this in a mean way. Maybe this will change, but this is a conversation I have had with my Asian friends. To a certain degree the Italians have been the same in this regard.

Ever heard of the term: racial discrimination? Are you faking dumb or just really that dumb?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

"The people who built this country, and the institutions aren't worthy of attending the institutions that their forefather's built". An uncomfortable truth is that Asians have been 20% of the elite schools for a couple decades, but haven't gone on to do the things that the Ivies care about. Look at Dartmouth's famous alumni. Tim Geithner (federal reserve NY), Hank Paulson (Pentagon->Goldman->Treasury), Dr. Seuss, Jeffrey Gundlach (musician->portfolio manager). Despite Asians having access to these elite institutions, they haven't become constitutional attorneys, or federal prosecutors, or other jobs that are culturally significant.

Nobody cares about the alumni who make $750k-$1.5mm as an engineer at some tech company. They need social and politically capital-rich alumni.

I don't mean this in a mean way. Maybe this will change, but this is a conversation I have had with my Asian friends. To a certain degree the Italians have been the same in this regard.

Typical racist bigotry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

"The people who built this country, and the institutions aren't worthy of attending the institutions that their forefather's built". An uncomfortable truth is that Asians have been 20% of the elite schools for a couple decades, but haven't gone on to do the things that the Ivies care about. Look at Dartmouth's famous alumni. Tim Geithner (federal reserve NY), Hank Paulson (Pentagon->Goldman->Treasury), Dr. Seuss, Jeffrey Gundlach (musician->portfolio manager). Despite Asians having access to these elite institutions, they haven't become constitutional attorneys, or federal prosecutors, or other jobs that are culturally significant.

Nobody cares about the alumni who make $750k-$1.5mm as an engineer at some tech company. They need social and politically capital-rich alumni.

I don't mean this in a mean way. Maybe this will change, but this is a conversation I have had with my Asian friends. To a certain degree the Italians have been the same in this regard.

Dartmouth alum = Neal Katyal
Heard of him?
Maybe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

"The people who built this country, and the institutions aren't worthy of attending the institutions that their forefather's built". An uncomfortable truth is that Asians have been 20% of the elite schools for a couple decades, but haven't gone on to do the things that the Ivies care about. Look at Dartmouth's famous alumni. Tim Geithner (federal reserve NY), Hank Paulson (Pentagon->Goldman->Treasury), Dr. Seuss, Jeffrey Gundlach (musician->portfolio manager). Despite Asians having access to these elite institutions, they haven't become constitutional attorneys, or federal prosecutors, or other jobs that are culturally significant.

Nobody cares about the alumni who make $750k-$1.5mm as an engineer at some tech company. They need social and politically capital-rich alumni.

I don't mean this in a mean way. Maybe this will change, but this is a conversation I have had with my Asian friends. To a certain degree the Italians have been the same in this regard.

Ever heard of the term: racial discrimination? Are you faking dumb or just really that dumb?

Hate, not dumb. Deep hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

"The people who built this country, and the institutions aren't worthy of attending the institutions that their forefather's built". An uncomfortable truth is that Asians have been 20% of the elite schools for a couple decades, but haven't gone on to do the things that the Ivies care about. Look at Dartmouth's famous alumni. Tim Geithner (federal reserve NY), Hank Paulson (Pentagon->Goldman->Treasury), Dr. Seuss, Jeffrey Gundlach (musician->portfolio manager). Despite Asians having access to these elite institutions, they haven't become constitutional attorneys, or federal prosecutors, or other jobs that are culturally significant.

Nobody cares about the alumni who make $750k-$1.5mm as an engineer at some tech company. They need social and politically capital-rich alumni.

I don't mean this in a mean way. Maybe this will change, but this is a conversation I have had with my Asian friends. To a certain degree the Italians have been the same in this regard.

So you believe that racial discrimination is the reason? Have you told your kids you expect them to serve the country at some point? Is that why Asians are underrepresented and apply at a lower rate to service academies? And join the military at a lower rate? Is your kid applying to the air force academy?

https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2022/11/asian-americans-in-the-military/

Cut your bologna.
Ever heard of the term: racial discrimination? Are you faking dumb or just really that dumb?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

"The people who built this country, and the institutions aren't worthy of attending the institutions that their forefather's built". An uncomfortable truth is that Asians have been 20% of the elite schools for a couple decades, but haven't gone on to do the things that the Ivies care about. Look at Dartmouth's famous alumni. Tim Geithner (federal reserve NY), Hank Paulson (Pentagon->Goldman->Treasury), Dr. Seuss, Jeffrey Gundlach (musician->portfolio manager). Despite Asians having access to these elite institutions, they haven't become constitutional attorneys, or federal prosecutors, or other jobs that are culturally significant.

Nobody cares about the alumni who make $750k-$1.5mm as an engineer at some tech company. They need social and politically capital-rich alumni.

I don't mean this in a mean way. Maybe this will change, but this is a conversation I have had with my Asian friends. To a certain degree the Italians have been the same in this regard.

Ever heard of the term: racial discrimination? Are you faking dumb or just really that dumb?

Hate, not dumb. Deep hate.

So you believe that racial discrimination is the reason? Have you told your kids you expect them to serve the country at some point? Is that why Asians are underrepresented and apply at a lower rate to service academies? And join the military at a lower rate? Is your kid applying to the air force academy?

https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2022/11/asian-americans-in-the-military/

Cut your bologna.
Ever heard of the term: racial discrimination? Are you faking dumb or just really that dumb?

[Anonymous]

Ha, it's the lady who don't know how to use quote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

"The people who built this country, and the institutions aren't worthy of attending the institutions that their forefather's built". An uncomfortable truth is that Asians have been 20% of the elite schools for a couple decades, but haven't gone on to do the things that the Ivies care about. Look at Dartmouth's famous alumni. Tim Geithner (federal reserve NY), Hank Paulson (Pentagon->Goldman->Treasury), Dr. Seuss, Jeffrey Gundlach (musician->portfolio manager). Despite Asians having access to these elite institutions, they haven't become constitutional attorneys, or federal prosecutors, or other jobs that are culturally significant.

Nobody cares about the alumni who make $750k-$1.5mm as an engineer at some tech company. They need social and politically capital-rich alumni.

I don't mean this in a mean way. Maybe this will change, but this is a conversation I have had with my Asian friends. To a certain degree the Italians have been the same in this regard.

Dartmouth alum = Neal Katyal
Heard of him?
Maybe?

Brown alum = Jim Yong Kim
Formerly World Bank,
now senior leader at GIP (if you don’t know who that is you’re not a real player)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

"The people who built this country, and the institutions aren't worthy of attending the institutions that their forefather's built". An uncomfortable truth is that Asians have been 20% of the elite schools for a couple decades, but haven't gone on to do the things that the Ivies care about. Look at Dartmouth's famous alumni. Tim Geithner (federal reserve NY), Hank Paulson (Pentagon->Goldman->Treasury), Dr. Seuss, Jeffrey Gundlach (musician->portfolio manager). Despite Asians having access to these elite institutions, they haven't become constitutional attorneys, or federal prosecutors, or other jobs that are culturally significant.

Nobody cares about the alumni who make $750k-$1.5mm as an engineer at some tech company. They need social and politically capital-rich alumni.

I don't mean this in a mean way. Maybe this will change, but this is a conversation I have had with my Asian friends. To a certain degree the Italians have been the same in this regard.

Ever heard of the term: racial discrimination? Are you faking dumb or just really that dumb?

Hate, not dumb. Deep hate.

So you believe that racial discrimination is the reason? Have you told your kids you expect them to serve the country at some point? Is that why Asians are underrepresented and apply at a lower rate to service academies? And join the military at a lower rate? Is your kid applying to the air force academy?

https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2022/11/asian-americans-in-the-military/

Cut your bologna.
Ever heard of the term: racial discrimination? Are you faking dumb or just really that dumb?

Ever heard of bamboo ceiling? Do you really think it’s because Asians don’t want to be in that position or is it the outcome of racial discrimination?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

"The people who built this country, and the institutions aren't worthy of attending the institutions that their forefather's built". An uncomfortable truth is that Asians have been 20% of the elite schools for a couple decades, but haven't gone on to do the things that the Ivies care about. Look at Dartmouth's famous alumni. Tim Geithner (federal reserve NY), Hank Paulson (Pentagon->Goldman->Treasury), Dr. Seuss, Jeffrey Gundlach (musician->portfolio manager). Despite Asians having access to these elite institutions, they haven't become constitutional attorneys, or federal prosecutors, or other jobs that are culturally significant.

Nobody cares about the alumni who make $750k-$1.5mm as an engineer at some tech company. They need social and politically capital-rich alumni.

I don't mean this in a mean way. Maybe this will change, but this is a conversation I have had with my Asian friends. To a certain degree the Italians have been the same in this regard.

Ever heard of the term: racial discrimination? Are you faking dumb or just really that dumb?

Hate, not dumb. Deep hate.

So you believe that racial discrimination is the reason? Have you told your kids you expect them to serve the country at some point? Is that why Asians are underrepresented and apply at a lower rate to service academies? And join the military at a lower rate? Is your kid applying to the air force academy?

https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2022/11/asian-americans-in-the-military/

Cut your bologna.
Ever heard of the term: racial discrimination? Are you faking dumb or just really that dumb?

Ever heard of bamboo ceiling? Do you really think it’s because Asians don’t want to be in that position or is it the outcome of racial discrimination?

I think the reason that Asians don't excel at the law is because they don't excel at the law. They have the same LSAT scores as whites.

https://www.lsac.org/sites/default/files/research/TR-24-01.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Strivers: are Asian applicants now hooked at Dartmouth?

Maybe Asians who normally would go to Dartmouth are getting into better schools now?

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

"The people who built this country, and the institutions aren't worthy of attending the institutions that their forefather's built". An uncomfortable truth is that Asians have been 20% of the elite schools for a couple decades, but haven't gone on to do the things that the Ivies care about. Look at Dartmouth's famous alumni. Tim Geithner (federal reserve NY), Hank Paulson (Pentagon->Goldman->Treasury), Dr. Seuss, Jeffrey Gundlach (musician->portfolio manager). Despite Asians having access to these elite institutions, they haven't become constitutional attorneys, or federal prosecutors, or other jobs that are culturally significant.

Nobody cares about the alumni who make $750k-$1.5mm as an engineer at some tech company. They need social and politically capital-rich alumni.

I don't mean this in a mean way. Maybe this will change, but this is a conversation I have had with my Asian friends. To a certain degree the Italians have been the same in this regard.

Dartmouth alum = Neal Katyal
Heard of him?
Maybe?

"On average, men are taller than women"

"But Kaitlyn Clarke is taller than most men"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Test prep resources consists of College Board's free services, Khan academy (free), Uworld, 1600,io for $100, free books at the library, plus thousands of youtube videos and hundreds of free sites.

Test prep means foregoing tik tok, snap, discord, video games and studying. Nothing rich or poor about that. It is effort.

I don't think you get the challenges that bright students in rural America and the inner city face. There is no culture of academic excellence. A kid from these environments scoring a 1350 is extraordinary. The national average is about 1040 - and that includes all the strong kids in the Bay area, the tristate area, the DMV, the Chicago burbs and so on. Rural America and the inner city is a lot lower than that.

A private school parent in DC looks at a 1350 and goes, ok, we can fix that. A few thousand on tutoring and we can bump that up to a 1500.

These things are not happening in 99 percent of America.

A kid with a shitty education in a shitty location scoring a 1350 is a superstar.

No. I live in rural America with only two high schools and three Walmarts. Because I want a faculty job at a large state U. 1350 is not extraordinary. Neither is 1450. Each year the number of 1500+ scorers from the two high schools combined fluctuates around 30. Most of the kids are either Asians or children of faculty, but there are some from regular white families as well. You made it sound like rural America is dumb as a rock where 1350 is god-like. Many of these kids -- if they didn't take the full-ride at my school -- go on to Ivy+.

"The people who built this country, and the institutions aren't worthy of attending the institutions that their forefather's built". An uncomfortable truth is that Asians have been 20% of the elite schools for a couple decades, but haven't gone on to do the things that the Ivies care about. Look at Dartmouth's famous alumni. Tim Geithner (federal reserve NY), Hank Paulson (Pentagon->Goldman->Treasury), Dr. Seuss, Jeffrey Gundlach (musician->portfolio manager). Despite Asians having access to these elite institutions, they haven't become constitutional attorneys, or federal prosecutors, or other jobs that are culturally significant.

Nobody cares about the alumni who make $750k-$1.5mm as an engineer at some tech company. They need social and politically capital-rich alumni.

I don't mean this in a mean way. Maybe this will change, but this is a conversation I have had with my Asian friends. To a certain degree the Italians have been the same in this regard.

Ever heard of the term: racial discrimination? Are you faking dumb or just really that dumb?

Hate, not dumb. Deep hate.

So you believe that racial discrimination is the reason? Have you told your kids you expect them to serve the country at some point? Is that why Asians are underrepresented and apply at a lower rate to service academies? And join the military at a lower rate? Is your kid applying to the air force academy?

https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2022/11/asian-americans-in-the-military/

Cut your bologna.
Ever heard of the term: racial discrimination? Are you faking dumb or just really that dumb?

Ever heard of bamboo ceiling? Do you really think it’s because Asians don’t want to be in that position or is it the outcome of racial discrimination?

I think the reason that Asians don't excel at the law is because they don't excel at the law. They have the same LSAT scores as whites.

https://www.lsac.org/sites/default/files/research/TR-24-01.pdf

Then why don’t they have the same outcome? Again, are you dumb or just as evil as white people who enslaved and murdered for generations?

Because fewer Asians apply to law school?
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Anonymous wrote:If I recall correctly, Dartmouth did an analysis of things in the test optional era. And they didn’t like what they saw. Very strong rural and urban students without access to test prep who scored in the 1300/1400s weren’t applying anymore. All the benefits of test optional went to rich kids.

Dartmouth wants a diverse class. Being test mandatory helps them get that. Everyone knows a 1350 from Anacostia High School is more impressive than a 1500 from Sidwell Friends. And being test mandatory helps them get those students. But naturally, test score averages will go down.

Whether or not all these diverse students commingle at Dartmouth is a different question. That’s about school culture. Some are good at it. And some aren’t.

Why didn't rural and urban kids have access to practice test workbooks? Come on.

DP. My kid attends a public high school. 50% of the kids, including some high performing students, have to worry about whether they’ll have enough food to eat dinner.

Test workbooks? Not in a million years.

DP. I went to a rural Title 1 school where 80% of the kids got reduced cost lunches. No APs at all just a couple of PCs in a room. Now they they have Aps....total of 6 kids in the school take Calc AB, one to 2 for Chem, Bio, and English.

It's a different world (and not in a good way) but you just don't get it.

Get it? I literally see it every day.

The fact that your experience differs doesn’t invalidate my experience.

Also, the discussion was specifically about ability to access and utilize test prep. Are you seriously contending that a poor kid at a Title I school typically has comparable test prep opportunities?

Do you think their mommies drive them in their Q7’s after lax?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I recall correctly, Dartmouth did an analysis of things in the test optional era. And they didn’t like what they saw. Very strong rural and urban students without access to test prep who scored in the 1300/1400s weren’t applying anymore. All the benefits of test optional went to rich kids.

Dartmouth wants a diverse class. Being test mandatory helps them get that. Everyone knows a 1350 from Anacostia High School is more impressive than a 1500 from Sidwell Friends. And being test mandatory helps them get those students. But naturally, test score averages will go down.

Whether or not all these diverse students commingle at Dartmouth is a different question. That’s about school culture. Some are good at it. And some aren’t.

Why didn't rural and urban kids have access to practice test workbooks? Come on.

DP. My kid attends a public high school. 50% of the kids, including some high performing students, have to worry about whether they’ll have enough food to eat dinner.

Test workbooks? Not in a million years.

Where there's a will, there's a way. Why should we bend over backwards to send these kids to the best schools if they had no gumption? University of Their State will be just fine.

You sound awful.