I wonder how that poster thinks the high GPA people got high GPAs. |
I saw someone on FB who did that too! I thought was so insane I texted about it to my sisters. We all agreed: things are getting way out of control. |
I agree . DS had a 97% and 98% in his first and second semester APUSH class but got a 4. He is very disappointed because he is into history and the top student in the class. The teacher is a first year teacher and not very smart. I warned DS not to trust that she was covering the material at the depth he would need but he didn’t want to spend extra time self studying. His 4 s far more reflective of his actual ability than the 98% final grade in the class. |
Then what is it about? Why all the anxiety about not getting a five? |
So is your position, just b/c it is most beneficial to you and yours. YOu dont know my kid. My kid's classes. The grades given in those classes. They are not what is being described here. It was hard grades by hard teachers this year. You can dismiss it however you want. But doesn't change my mind. Or the status of what occurred in those classes. So the only ridiculous one is you. |
I teach one of the AP History subjects. The difference between a 4 and a 5 is very small. It often depends on what the essays happened to be about that year. I tell kids never to count on a 5, but if they are scoring 4 on the practice exam, they have a great shot if it's a good day. You can't really just study for a 5 in an AP History. You have to have some individual insight and that's not entirely based on studying. Anyway, the chatter on the teacher FB groups for AP subjects is that College Board is recalibrating scoring to eliminate competition for community college dual enrollment programs. They want the passing percentage for an exam to match what the passing percentage would be in an introductory college course. That's why APUSH pass rates jumped up so much this year. |
No he’s actually quite insightful about history. By self studying, I meant read the books that better schools list as required reading for the class or at least read the text book and do your own practice essays. This teacher gave terms and vocab tests throughout the year. I doubt she could have scored a 2 if her life depended on it. He did fine on the practice test but I’m sure was weak on depth in the essay. |
No you're fine. Mine submitted mire 4s than 5s and got into T10. Also had unique ECs and national awards though. |
FFS, have you spent any time around a high school or high school students in the past 30 years? Apple polishing on steroids has taken over - begging and pleading by students for extra credit assignments, rampant entitlement mindset of the students who advocate for themselves the most ferociously, established makeover assignments, helicopter parent intervention and intimidation, pressure on schools to demonstrate success in meeting educational benchmarks, and on and on and on. If you're seriously prepared to argue that grade inflation HAS NOT rendered much of what we get from a transcript these days as mostly unreliable, I'm definitely prepared to take you to the woodshed on this topic. As I've said for the past 30 years, I'll take Applicant A (3.5 unweighted with a 1600 and an unbroken string of 5 scores on 10+ AP tests) ALL DAY LONG over Applicant B (4.0 unweighted with a 1450 and a mix of 3s, 4s, and 5s on 6 - 8 AP tests). For the same reason, I'll always take an applicant with an 88 average in an AP class and a 5 on the AP test over another an applicant with a 98 in the class but a 3 on the AP test or an applicant with a 94 in the class but a 4 on the AP test. All day. Every day. Grades are directional at this point, nothing more. |
yes |
Many top colleges do not give credit for their own intro Bio with AP: they may give credit for “Bio 099” that can be used for elective credit, but not the actual college’s first semester Biology. Other top colleges do give credit for the actual intro bio semester: the premed advising will recommend they take semester 2 or other more advanced Bio: cell bio, genetic biology, evolutionary biology, etc. med schools usually want 2 semesters bio in college . |
AP scores are confirmatory for kids; not a thing that will carry them across the line by itself. 4s and 5s are great even at the top schools because both confirm either the good tests or GPA. Is a 5 better than a 4. Of course. Is there any difference for college admission even for the top 10? No. |
Yes. For DS's top 20 school you can AP test out of Freshman English and language only (for 5s). Can't test out of anything else. |
Occasional 4 or 3 is not a problem for ivies especially if the 3 is in a difficult subject and not related to the area of study(ie a 3 in Calc BC for an engineering applicant is not good at all; a 3 in APUSh for the same kid is ok). There are now and there were then kids that have a wall of 5s, only 5s, on all the difficult APs , sometimes more than 7 by the end of junior year thus submittable by college app time. Those kids are not common, but back when CB used to count nationally and keep track, having scores of ALL 5s on 8 or more tests after 11th grade was less than 2000 applicants per yr. There was no AP precal or easy APs then so even more impressive when the 8 tests are harder ones. This was as recent as 5 yrs ago. All 4&5 , on 8+, by the end of 11th was more than double that. The competition is fierce, and will be evident if your kid gets into the ivies/T10 and attends, especially if they are majoring in Stem (harsh curves are always stem). It is no joke. |
USH was graded much more harshly this year compared to past year. Scores dropped across the board. You don't need individual insight, though. You need to summarize and apply the course content in a straightforward way. It's not regurgitation, but it's not insight. https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap21-sg-us-history.pdf |