Disruptive student in class

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a former MCPS admin who resigned from my elementary school position because I couldn't deal with how tied my hands were when trying to lead a school building. Our schools look so much different now than they did ten years ago. The disruptive behavior and defiance are taking a toll on all of our educators and the students who are there to learn. We place too much emphasis on schools to solve our societal issues. The fact that I would have to call my director to get permission to suspend a kid for hitting a teacher was the straw that broke the camel's back. When you go through your admin program MCPS tells you that they pay us for our judgement. The reality is, optics are everything and they will do whatever they can to keep those suspension numbers down. I spent most of my day babysitting kids who couldn't stay safe in their classes.
I've noticed a lot of people who post on here are quick to jump on the IEP train but don't realize that there's a timeline for all of that and you can't just have a student be placed in an alternative program two weeks after starting the process. I had a student who was coded with emotional disabilities but central office kept the child at our school rather than our neighboring SESES program. Code doesn't drive a student's placement. I give credit to all of the MCPS staff who are sticking with it but it just wasn't worth it any more.

It’s pretty disturbing that a former principal doesn’t seem to know what LRE means.

12:05 here - very familiar with LRE as I taught in SESES. Nice try couch warrior.

That only makes it more disturbing that you don't understand it. I'm glad you left the system. You shouldn't be anywhere near kids with special needs.

Actually, YOU don't appear to understand. The rest of us understand about LRE. It's a very basic component of special education support. It seems that you're trying to enlighten educators who are fully aware of the regs.

No one that understands LRE should be surprised when a code doesn't lead to placement in a special program.

12:05 here...again. Sorry if you interpreted my message as a student with disabilities should always be in a separate program. However, having taught SESES, this was absolutely a student who would have thrived with the supports of that program rather than what could be provided through the home school model.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a former MCPS admin who resigned from my elementary school position because I couldn't deal with how tied my hands were when trying to lead a school building. Our schools look so much different now than they did ten years ago. The disruptive behavior and defiance are taking a toll on all of our educators and the students who are there to learn. We place too much emphasis on schools to solve our societal issues. The fact that I would have to call my director to get permission to suspend a kid for hitting a teacher was the straw that broke the camel's back. When you go through your admin program MCPS tells you that they pay us for our judgement. The reality is, optics are everything and they will do whatever they can to keep those suspension numbers down. I spent most of my day babysitting kids who couldn't stay safe in their classes.
I've noticed a lot of people who post on here are quick to jump on the IEP train but don't realize that there's a timeline for all of that and you can't just have a student be placed in an alternative program two weeks after starting the process. I had a student who was coded with emotional disabilities but central office kept the child at our school rather than our neighboring SESES program. Code doesn't drive a student's placement. I give credit to all of the MCPS staff who are sticking with it but it just wasn't worth it any more.

It’s pretty disturbing that a former principal doesn’t seem to know what LRE means.

12:05 here - very familiar with LRE as I taught in SESES. Nice try couch warrior.

That only makes it more disturbing that you don't understand it. I'm glad you left the system. You shouldn't be anywhere near kids with special needs.

Actually, YOU don't appear to understand. The rest of us understand about LRE. It's a very basic component of special education support. It seems that you're trying to enlighten educators who are fully aware of the regs.

No one that understands LRE should be surprised when a code doesn't lead to placement in a special program.

12:05 here...again. Sorry if you interpreted my message as a student with disabilities should always be in a separate program. However, having taught SESES, this was absolutely a student who would have thrived with the supports of that program rather than what could be provided through the home school model.

Than what “could” be provided in the home school, or what you were *willing* to provide in the home school?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a former MCPS admin who resigned from my elementary school position because I couldn't deal with how tied my hands were when trying to lead a school building. Our schools look so much different now than they did ten years ago. The disruptive behavior and defiance are taking a toll on all of our educators and the students who are there to learn. We place too much emphasis on schools to solve our societal issues. The fact that I would have to call my director to get permission to suspend a kid for hitting a teacher was the straw that broke the camel's back. When you go through your admin program MCPS tells you that they pay us for our judgement. The reality is, optics are everything and they will do whatever they can to keep those suspension numbers down. I spent most of my day babysitting kids who couldn't stay safe in their classes.
I've noticed a lot of people who post on here are quick to jump on the IEP train but don't realize that there's a timeline for all of that and you can't just have a student be placed in an alternative program two weeks after starting the process. I had a student who was coded with emotional disabilities but central office kept the child at our school rather than our neighboring SESES program. Code doesn't drive a student's placement. I give credit to all of the MCPS staff who are sticking with it but it just wasn't worth it any more.

It’s pretty disturbing that a former principal doesn’t seem to know what LRE means.

12:05 here - very familiar with LRE as I taught in SESES. Nice try couch warrior.

That only makes it more disturbing that you don't understand it. I'm glad you left the system. You shouldn't be anywhere near kids with special needs.

Actually, YOU don't appear to understand. The rest of us understand about LRE. It's a very basic component of special education support. It seems that you're trying to enlighten educators who are fully aware of the regs.

No one that understands LRE should be surprised when a code doesn't lead to placement in a special program.

12:05 here...again. Sorry if you interpreted my message as a student with disabilities should always be in a separate program. However, having taught SESES, this was absolutely a student who would have thrived with the supports of that program rather than what could be provided through the home school model.

Than what “could” be provided in the home school, or what you were *willing* to provide in the home school?

My kid is in Bridge. The support he needs is a quieter classroom with less chaos. His classes have 8-10 kids. I'd love it if our home school would be willing to provide all 7 classes in a smaller environment. I'm guessing that even if the principal was willing to provide that environment, they would not be able to get the staffing necessary for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a former MCPS admin who resigned from my elementary school position because I couldn't deal with how tied my hands were when trying to lead a school building. Our schools look so much different now than they did ten years ago. The disruptive behavior and defiance are taking a toll on all of our educators and the students who are there to learn. We place too much emphasis on schools to solve our societal issues. The fact that I would have to call my director to get permission to suspend a kid for hitting a teacher was the straw that broke the camel's back. When you go through your admin program MCPS tells you that they pay us for our judgement. The reality is, optics are everything and they will do whatever they can to keep those suspension numbers down. I spent most of my day babysitting kids who couldn't stay safe in their classes.
I've noticed a lot of people who post on here are quick to jump on the IEP train but don't realize that there's a timeline for all of that and you can't just have a student be placed in an alternative program two weeks after starting the process. I had a student who was coded with emotional disabilities but central office kept the child at our school rather than our neighboring SESES program. Code doesn't drive a student's placement. I give credit to all of the MCPS staff who are sticking with it but it just wasn't worth it any more.

It’s pretty disturbing that a former principal doesn’t seem to know what LRE means.

12:05 here - very familiar with LRE as I taught in SESES. Nice try couch warrior.

That only makes it more disturbing that you don't understand it. I'm glad you left the system. You shouldn't be anywhere near kids with special needs.

Actually, YOU don't appear to understand. The rest of us understand about LRE. It's a very basic component of special education support. It seems that you're trying to enlighten educators who are fully aware of the regs.

No one that understands LRE should be surprised when a code doesn't lead to placement in a special program.

12:05 here...again. Sorry if you interpreted my message as a student with disabilities should always be in a separate program. However, having taught SESES, this was absolutely a student who would have thrived with the supports of that program rather than what could be provided through the home school model.

Than what “could” be provided in the home school, or what you were *willing* to provide in the home school?

Parents like you are delusional. MCPS careers has over 200 open teaching positions right now. Students can qualify for critical staffing (1:1) but nobody is filling those jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a former MCPS admin who resigned from my elementary school position because I couldn't deal with how tied my hands were when trying to lead a school building. Our schools look so much different now than they did ten years ago. The disruptive behavior and defiance are taking a toll on all of our educators and the students who are there to learn. We place too much emphasis on schools to solve our societal issues. The fact that I would have to call my director to get permission to suspend a kid for hitting a teacher was the straw that broke the camel's back. When you go through your admin program MCPS tells you that they pay us for our judgement. The reality is, optics are everything and they will do whatever they can to keep those suspension numbers down. I spent most of my day babysitting kids who couldn't stay safe in their classes.
I've noticed a lot of people who post on here are quick to jump on the IEP train but don't realize that there's a timeline for all of that and you can't just have a student be placed in an alternative program two weeks after starting the process. I had a student who was coded with emotional disabilities but central office kept the child at our school rather than our neighboring SESES program. Code doesn't drive a student's placement. I give credit to all of the MCPS staff who are sticking with it but it just wasn't worth it any more.

It’s pretty disturbing that a former principal doesn’t seem to know what LRE means.

12:05 here - very familiar with LRE as I taught in SESES. Nice try couch warrior.

That only makes it more disturbing that you don't understand it. I'm glad you left the system. You shouldn't be anywhere near kids with special needs.

Actually, YOU don't appear to understand. The rest of us understand about LRE. It's a very basic component of special education support. It seems that you're trying to enlighten educators who are fully aware of the regs.

No one that understands LRE should be surprised when a code doesn't lead to placement in a special program.

12:05 here...again. Sorry if you interpreted my message as a student with disabilities should always be in a separate program. However, having taught SESES, this was absolutely a student who would have thrived with the supports of that program rather than what could be provided through the home school model.

Than what “could” be provided in the home school, or what you were *willing* to provide in the home school?

Parents like you are delusional. MCPS careers has over 200 open teaching positions right now. Students can qualify for critical staffing (1:1) but nobody is filling those jobs.

I know a few people trying to get para jobs. There’s plenty of demand for those jobs, but principals and HR are slow to get back to people.

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Yes to HR being slow, but not principals. They are as frustrated with HR as everyone, including the BOE who has put so much money into that black hole.

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Anonymous wrote:Every class has THAT kid. That’s why we ended up at private. Mainstreaming has been a failure.

Troll. You’re a voucher queen, admit it. It’s a non stop narrative that isn’t true. My kids have graduated and only one had a kid in class with behavior issues and the school was on it. One kid fought and injured another kid in middle school pe and he was expelled immediately and that kid didn’t act up again.

This isn’t an issue in every class. It’s also disgusting how you try to smear kids with disabilities. Admit it you and your gang of rwnjs don’t want a single kid with an iep to be in class with your special snowflakes.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not call the police if it happens to your kid?

Instruct the school to contact police and file a police report if your kid is hit so you can press charges.

Aren’t you funny. “Instruct the school…”. Are you a dad who has never actually entered your kids school?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is there nowhere else to stick these kids?

They already have a shortage of teachers and you think they can come up with more of them to teach students like that?

The two of you should never be allowed to be around children.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has convinced me to train my kid in martial arts for self defense at school. What a sad state of affairs.

Don’t believe everything you read online! I have two sons who have never encountered anything like this in all their years.

You are lucky!!

No, you have an agenda and are using students in special Ed to try to achieve it. You have more in common with anarchists than you do a typical parent. You want to tear down public schools for a voucher to send your kid to a school that won’t accept or talk about “the gays” or whatever else you’re terrified of.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so sick of people spewing things like mainstreaming and least restrictive environment is a bad thing. My DC has special needs and is mainstreamed. She has a language-based disability and learning disorders but is the kindest, gentlest kid and a quiet rule follower. She gets a bit of push in support but mostly extra time to do assignments and pull out for speech. She tells me that the assistant teacher who comes in to his classroom (as required in his IEP) usually ends up helping a bunch of kids and assists the main teacher as my DC works independently. She is sometimes the target of bullying but has never caused any disruption ever. She deserves to be in a LRE and mainstreamed and the clueless people spouting blanket statements of hatred of children with disabilities should look at their own kids - they can be mean and disruptive to my child's education. No child should be hitting and throwing things in a classroom - and violence should not be tolerated but give sped kids who are not disruptive a chance!

You need to calm down... if your child can manage in a mainstreamed classroom without unduly monopolizing teacher time (although as a society we could talk about the resources involved in assistants being assigned to individuals), then no one is talking about you and your child. There is a spectrum of needs and there are many, many kids who are in mainstreamed classrooms who should not be. And people should be able to say that. It is detrimental to the education of both those with special needs and those without. Our society should care about that. It is a policy that was attempted and that has gone too far in the direction of accommodating kids who should be in other school settings.

You are so full of shirte you creepy ableist nut job. Sorry there are federal laws to stop selfish jerks like you from turning public schools into your own private. You should be embarrassed by your ignorance.

Just imagine how quickly she’d change her tune if she ends up with a grandchild/great-grandchild with ASD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone here have any experience with a 8/9 year old "hitter" in their child's class? This boy has hit other classmates the previous school year in 3rd grade, as reported to me by my child, and now on first day back yesterday has slapped a classmate in the face. And he stayed in the class, not sent to the office. Is this acceptable and normal at mcps? It is unknown to me what triggers this child. It frightens me honestly.

Get a peace order against the kid if they hit yours.

[Anonymous]

School children have an absolute right to expect physical safety in school. Shame on school boards and administrators for their disastrous performance.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so sick of people spewing things like mainstreaming and least restrictive environment is a bad thing. My DC has special needs and is mainstreamed. She has a language-based disability and learning disorders but is the kindest, gentlest kid and a quiet rule follower. She gets a bit of push in support but mostly extra time to do assignments and pull out for speech. She tells me that the assistant teacher who comes in to his classroom (as required in his IEP) usually ends up helping a bunch of kids and assists the main teacher as my DC works independently. She is sometimes the target of bullying but has never caused any disruption ever. She deserves to be in a LRE and mainstreamed and the clueless people spouting blanket statements of hatred of children with disabilities should look at their own kids - they can be mean and disruptive to my child's education. No child should be hitting and throwing things in a classroom - and violence should not be tolerated but give sped kids who are not disruptive a chance!

You need to calm down... if your child can manage in a mainstreamed classroom without unduly monopolizing teacher time (although as a society we could talk about the resources involved in assistants being assigned to individuals), then no one is talking about you and your child. There is a spectrum of needs and there are many, many kids who are in mainstreamed classrooms who should not be. And people should be able to say that. It is detrimental to the education of both those with special needs and those without. Our society should care about that. It is a policy that was attempted and that has gone too far in the direction of accommodating kids who should be in other school settings.

You are so full of shirte you creepy ableist nut job. Sorry there are federal laws to stop selfish jerks like you from turning public schools into your own private. You should be embarrassed by your ignorance.

Yes, there are federal laws, but laws can be changed, which is why it is OK to discuss whether they are serving the public. Despite your ad hominem, this country needs to have a serious reckoning with the fact that our test scores are continuing to decline. We need to examine everything and that includes the level of mainstreaming that we have allowed.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so sick of people spewing things like mainstreaming and least restrictive environment is a bad thing. My DC has special needs and is mainstreamed. She has a language-based disability and learning disorders but is the kindest, gentlest kid and a quiet rule follower. She gets a bit of push in support but mostly extra time to do assignments and pull out for speech. She tells me that the assistant teacher who comes in to his classroom (as required in his IEP) usually ends up helping a bunch of kids and assists the main teacher as my DC works independently. She is sometimes the target of bullying but has never caused any disruption ever. She deserves to be in a LRE and mainstreamed and the clueless people spouting blanket statements of hatred of children with disabilities should look at their own kids - they can be mean and disruptive to my child's education. No child should be hitting and throwing things in a classroom - and violence should not be tolerated but give sped kids who are not disruptive a chance!

You need to calm down... if your child can manage in a mainstreamed classroom without unduly monopolizing teacher time (although as a society we could talk about the resources involved in assistants being assigned to individuals), then no one is talking about you and your child. There is a spectrum of needs and there are many, many kids who are in mainstreamed classrooms who should not be. And people should be able to say that. It is detrimental to the education of both those with special needs and those without. Our society should care about that. It is a policy that was attempted and that has gone too far in the direction of accommodating kids who should be in other school settings.

You are so full of shirte you creepy ableist nut job. Sorry there are federal laws to stop selfish jerks like you from turning public schools into your own private. You should be embarrassed by your ignorance.

Just imagine how quickly she’d change her tune if she ends up with a grandchild/great-grandchild with ASD.

No... because I understand that teachers well trained to work with kids having a specific disability will be most likely to succeed and that ASD is not helped by a chaotic violent classroom. I salute your dedication to your child, but I think you need to allow others to care about theirs as well.