What are the best years to stay at home (SAHM)?

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Anonymous wrote:0-5 (or until school starts) is the best bang for your buck as the kids are actually home all day.

You are saving on childcare costs (especially with multiple children) and you are still actively engaged in parenting responsiblity and contributing to the family - which is important for the kids and the marriage relationsihp.

Kids cost money to raise - they need housing and food and clothes and activities and families like cars and vacations and many wants that aren't needs. Both parents should be contributing to this. The idea that an adult shirks and absolves themselves of all financial responsibility for themselves and their children is no different to me than an adult who shirks and absolves themselves of all childcare or all domestic work in a family.

So to have 6 hours of free time / me time every day while the kids are at school while the other parent works full time to take on 100% of all financial responsibilities of having children isn't an example I would set for my kids nor one that would create an equal marriage.


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So to have 6 hours of free time / me time every day while the kids are at school while the other parent works full time to take on 100% of all financial responsibilities of having children isn't an example I would set for my kids nor one that would create an equal marriage.


I agree with you 100% that “Dad brings home the money, Mom wastes her education doing Target runs” is not the example I want to set for my children. But two FT working parents with challenging jobs, even if WFH, still have stress in their lives. I myself have a looooong checklist of things I keep putting off bc we would rather spend my time outside work bonding with our young children rather than doing admin stuff or home repairs. I would love to go PT (maybe 4 hours a day) and do all of that stuff during the day. Unfortunately there are few jobs that allow that while still allowing for career progression.
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Anonymous wrote:0-5 (or until school starts) is the best bang for your buck as the kids are actually home all day.

You are saving on childcare costs (especially with multiple children) and you are still actively engaged in parenting responsiblity and contributing to the family - which is important for the kids and the marriage relationsihp.

Kids cost money to raise - they need housing and food and clothes and activities and families like cars and vacations and many wants that aren't needs. Both parents should be contributing to this. The idea that an adult shirks and absolves themselves of all financial responsibility for themselves and their children is no different to me than an adult who shirks and absolves themselves of all childcare or all domestic work in a family.

So to have 6 hours of free time / me time every day while the kids are at school while the other parent works full time to take on 100% of all financial responsibilities of having children isn't an example I would set for my kids nor one that would create an equal marriage.




Do you disagree that the financial responsiblities, child related responsiblities, and the household related responsibilities should be shared? You feel it is fair for 100% of one or more of these to fall solely on one parent?

I know there are some very traditional people who think it is the man's job to provide and protect and the woman's job is the childcare and the home but most people I know think that responsiblities for the home and the children should be shared between parents.
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Even in our traditional scenario my husband shares in the responsibilities. We do it in part to we model the type of marriage we hope the kids aspire to, and Partly it’s the right thing to do, plus hubby enjoys helping at home and being present w the kids. It’s a win win.
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Anonymous wrote:Even in our traditional scenario my husband shares in the responsibilities. We do it in part to we model the type of marriage we hope the kids aspire to, and Partly it’s the right thing to do, plus hubby enjoys helping at home and being present w the kids. It’s a win win.


Do you share in the financial responsiblities? Or he has all three responsibliities and you don't?

In traditional homes it is modeled that women are dependents like children who can't take care of themsevles and need a man to provide housing and food and clothes and all their basic wants and material needs. That women are kept by men and that men are the plan as women aren't capable or competent or able to financially provide for themselves or their children. That may be your values and what you choose to model but it isn't mine. Just like I believe men are more than capable and competent to be involved fathers and to contribute to the rearing of children in a hands on way and to have household responsiblities. That they don't need a woman to take care of them by cookign all their food, cleaning everything for them, taking care of all their doemstic needs, and parenting their children for them.
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Anonymous wrote:Pp again. I’m not sure if it is a strategy but I think busy kids tend to stay out of trouble. My kids play sports, play an instrument, we travel, I help organize social gatherings since none of my kids can drive.

Starting in middle school, kids get into trouble with vaping and drugs. I don’t want my kids to do drugs as their extracurricular activities.


That's very, very sad. All I wanted to do at those ages was run around with my neighborhood friends and be a kid. I don't think busy equals better behaved. I'd kids want to do drugs/drink they will no matter what. Also, busy kids don't learn how to entertain themselves without causing trouble or excessive screen time.


So what does lead to vaping and drug use with teens? I think back to OP’s question, there could be an argument that being home during the middle school years would allow you to be more involved and have more knowledge as to what they are doing and curb the drug use if it starts.


But that’s what we are saying and you are not hearing. I am home when my kids are home. And I work. And same with all my friends. My husband works too and he’s home most days too. We are on it, don’t you worry.


You are the one that is not hearing. That's great for you and your friends, but not every profession/industry can accommodate being at home "most days." Some jobs require you to choose between working and being at home in time to do all the driving.
Would you go to a dentist that had to leave mid filling to drive her kid to soccer practice?


My dentist closes at 4:30, so yeah. I literally don’t know anyone who stays home to “drive to activities.” The women I know who stay home with teens do so because they don’t want to work and no other reason. They don’t make up dumb excuses no one believes. But you do you.


So who is picking up your dentist's kid when band rehersal ends at 3:30, the way my kid's does?


Their spouse? The activity bus? A carpool? Lots of options. Not everyone has no friends and an absentee spouse. Use some imagination.


Doesn't the spouse have to work? What activity bus? Not all schools have an activity bus.
Carpool? Don't THOSE people work?


Lots and lots and lots of people can do a school run in the middle of a work day. You really don’t know ANY? Almost every family I know can do this. I’m an ES teacher and my work day ends at 2:45. Again, use your brain.


You are a teacher? I weep for our youth. Use YOUR brain teacher! Not every school gets out at 2:45.


DP - come on. This problem is solvable. I get that you want to throw out every hypothetical and tell us how we must not actually doing it, we must be failing our kids, but we’re not. It actually is possible to work FT and support your kids and be a good parent. If someone chooses not to work, super. Have at it. But stop cutting down those of us who do.


It is for you. Not for me at this stage in life. Everybody is different and has different circumstances, options, capabilities, etc.

I noticed that somebody said that those who can be with their kids while they aren’t at school and still have full-time jobs made choices/sacrifices that gave them that flexibility. When you talk about how SAHMs of kids in school are just making excuses for not working, think about the fact that not everybody made those same smart choices that you did.


I agree at this point you are lacking the problem solving skills most people are looking for. Sorry you are “forced” not work and didn’t “make smart choices.”


Thank you for your sympathy. I have been staying from the start of this thread that I wish I had established a career so that I would have more flexibility now. But BC failed when I was in law school, and there were a lot of non-traditional students who were getting their degrees and starting kick-A legal careers when their kids were in high school. They all highly recommended staying at home during the younger years because the teen years were so flexible. Well now here I am, with essentially fifteen years out of the workforce, two kids (including a teenager with severe mental health issues), and a husband with a really demanding job. That coupled with a chronic illness and a decently heavy schlepping schedule make it so that no, I personally cannot be the mom my kids need me to be and work full-time. I’m happy for you that you made different choices, and I am grateful that my husband makes enough money to enable me to focus the bulk of my energies on being a good mom.


I wouldn’t sweat it. Most people don’t even like their job!


Ha, thank you! It’s one of those things where it could be a grass is greener issue but I really don’t like trying to stay productive while the kids are at school. I’m a former Mormon so I have a lot of friends who are SAHMs and fill their time with things like DIY remodeling a crumbling bathroom, writing novels, couponing so their grocery bills are absurdly low, etc. I wish I had the energy and organizational skills for all that, but I don’t. So instead I substitute teach a few times a week which at least makes me feel like I’m contributing to the community and covers the cost of cleaners. All in all it’s not a bad setup. But again it’s not something id recommend.
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Anonymous wrote:Even in our traditional scenario my husband shares in the responsibilities. We do it in part to we model the type of marriage we hope the kids aspire to, and Partly it’s the right thing to do, plus hubby enjoys helping at home and being present w the kids. It’s a win win.


Do you share in the financial responsiblities? Or he has all three responsibliities and you don't?

In traditional homes it is modeled that women are dependents like children who can't take care of themsevles and need a man to provide housing and food and clothes and all their basic wants and material needs. That women are kept by men and that men are the plan as women aren't capable or competent or able to financially provide for themselves or their children. That may be your values and what you choose to model but it isn't mine. Just like I believe men are more than capable and competent to be involved fathers and to contribute to the rearing of children in a hands on way and to have household responsiblities. That they don't need a woman to take care of them by cookign all their food, cleaning everything for them, taking care of all their doemstic needs, and parenting their children for them.


I am a WOHM and you are ridiculous. Stop imputing your weird assumptions on every family. There is at least a 50/50 chance I will take a break from work sometime in the next 10 years, and if that happens I will still make the financial decisions for our family as I always have.
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Anonymous wrote:Pp again. I’m not sure if it is a strategy but I think busy kids tend to stay out of trouble. My kids play sports, play an instrument, we travel, I help organize social gatherings since none of my kids can drive.

Starting in middle school, kids get into trouble with vaping and drugs. I don’t want my kids to do drugs as their extracurricular activities.


That's very, very sad. All I wanted to do at those ages was run around with my neighborhood friends and be a kid. I don't think busy equals better behaved. I'd kids want to do drugs/drink they will no matter what. Also, busy kids don't learn how to entertain themselves without causing trouble or excessive screen time.


So what does lead to vaping and drug use with teens? I think back to OP’s question, there could be an argument that being home during the middle school years would allow you to be more involved and have more knowledge as to what they are doing and curb the drug use if it starts.


But that’s what we are saying and you are not hearing. I am home when my kids are home. And I work. And same with all my friends. My husband works too and he’s home most days too. We are on it, don’t you worry.


You are the one that is not hearing. That's great for you and your friends, but not every profession/industry can accommodate being at home "most days." Some jobs require you to choose between working and being at home in time to do all the driving.
Would you go to a dentist that had to leave mid filling to drive her kid to soccer practice?


My dentist closes at 4:30, so yeah. I literally don’t know anyone who stays home to “drive to activities.” The women I know who stay home with teens do so because they don’t want to work and no other reason. They don’t make up dumb excuses no one believes. But you do you.


So who is picking up your dentist's kid when band rehersal ends at 3:30, the way my kid's does?


Their spouse? The activity bus? A carpool? Lots of options. Not everyone has no friends and an absentee spouse. Use some imagination.


Doesn't the spouse have to work? What activity bus? Not all schools have an activity bus.
Carpool? Don't THOSE people work?


Lots and lots and lots of people can do a school run in the middle of a work day. You really don’t know ANY? Almost every family I know can do this. I’m an ES teacher and my work day ends at 2:45. Again, use your brain.


You are a teacher? I weep for our youth. Use YOUR brain teacher! Not every school gets out at 2:45.


DP - come on. This problem is solvable. I get that you want to throw out every hypothetical and tell us how we must not actually doing it, we must be failing our kids, but we’re not. It actually is possible to work FT and support your kids and be a good parent. If someone chooses not to work, super. Have at it. But stop cutting down those of us who do.


It is for you. Not for me at this stage in life. Everybody is different and has different circumstances, options, capabilities, etc.

I noticed that somebody said that those who can be with their kids while they aren’t at school and still have full-time jobs made choices/sacrifices that gave them that flexibility. When you talk about how SAHMs of kids in school are just making excuses for not working, think about the fact that not everybody made those same smart choices that you did.


I agree at this point you are lacking the problem solving skills most people are looking for. Sorry you are “forced” not work and didn’t “make smart choices.”


Thank you for your sympathy. I have been staying from the start of this thread that I wish I had established a career so that I would have more flexibility now. But BC failed when I was in law school, and there were a lot of non-traditional students who were getting their degrees and starting kick-A legal careers when their kids were in high school. They all highly recommended staying at home during the younger years because the teen years were so flexible. Well now here I am, with essentially fifteen years out of the workforce, two kids (including a teenager with severe mental health issues), and a husband with a really demanding job. That coupled with a chronic illness and a decently heavy schlepping schedule make it so that no, I personally cannot be the mom my kids need me to be and work full-time. I’m happy for you that you made different choices, and I am grateful that my husband makes enough money to enable me to focus the bulk of my energies on being a good mom.


I am sorry for your situation, but this is really a “you” problem and not a universal issue.


Well, the universal issue is that no two situations are and we all just have to make judgment calls about what best in any given situation or season of our lives. What is not universal is that anybody can work full-time and be a good mom, like PPs have been saying.


Nope, it actually is pretty universal. People figure it out, or make compromises, which is part of life. Only “special” people come up with excuses.


It is possible to have 2 full time working parents, but it’s not actually easy. You give up most of your free personal time for years on end (working during the day, then shuttling kids around, making dinner, helping with homework in the evening.)


My husband and I both work full-time and always have. We have two children in elementary school and no longer have a nanny. We do have a cleaning service that comes every two weeks. We also have a gardener. Our kids both play a time-consuming sport and my husband and I also both play a sport. In addition to that, we go away with friends for the weekend (I just went away with my girlfriends at the end of last month and he is going away with his guy friends next month), we do things as a couple without our children, we do things as a family, and we do things with one parent and the kids. We also both work out every day, he plays poker once a month, I'm in a book club that meets once a month. We have no family near us to help.

I wouldn't say our situation is hard to sustain. Also, we have many friends in similar situations. We planned carefully and made choices that allowed us to have this set up. Maybe it meant things you aren't willing to do and we were but we both have plenty of personal time, lots of time with our kids, and a healthy marriage. We also have an elder care issue as my mother lives locally and has dementia so I basically have another child. I get that there are things that haven't happened to us, like a life-threatening illness with a child, but we have dealt with mental health issues, the death of the best parent between the two of us we had, job changes, financial difficulties, and more. So it's not like we're just blissfully unaware of things that life can throw at you and we don't live a perfectly charmed life.

All that to say, I think some people just buy into the idea that you spout - that there's no good way to have two working parents and a good life - and it just isn't universally. Maybe think outside the box and consider the things you'd need to change to make your life be the way you want it to be. And then work to make it happen.
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Anonymous wrote:Pp again. I’m not sure if it is a strategy but I think busy kids tend to stay out of trouble. My kids play sports, play an instrument, we travel, I help organize social gatherings since none of my kids can drive.

Starting in middle school, kids get into trouble with vaping and drugs. I don’t want my kids to do drugs as their extracurricular activities.


That's very, very sad. All I wanted to do at those ages was run around with my neighborhood friends and be a kid. I don't think busy equals better behaved. I'd kids want to do drugs/drink they will no matter what. Also, busy kids don't learn how to entertain themselves without causing trouble or excessive screen time.


So what does lead to vaping and drug use with teens? I think back to OP’s question, there could be an argument that being home during the middle school years would allow you to be more involved and have more knowledge as to what they are doing and curb the drug use if it starts.


But that’s what we are saying and you are not hearing. I am home when my kids are home. And I work. And same with all my friends. My husband works too and he’s home most days too. We are on it, don’t you worry.


I am the pp who said that busy kids stay out of trouble. I did not mention anything about working parents. My oldest is in middle school and the vast majority of his friends’ parents work.

My child hangs out with the high achieving crowd. Most of his friends seem to be very good at something whether it be orchestra, band, ice hockey, tennis, basketball, baseball or swimming. If you are a competitive gymnast or ice hockey player, you are going to practice 5+ times per week and practice times don’t cater to working schedules like a person posted above. Anyone with a teen who does any sport or activity at a competitive level knows they need to be driven.

I have kids who have done science Olympiad at 2:30, sports practice at 4, swim practice at 10am during summers, tennis matches at 9:30am or 2:00pm. Of course my kids could not do these activities but activities absolutely do not cater to working parents’ schedules.


There are 15 families whose children live in our neighborhood and take the same bus our kids do. We all have elementary school kids, from grades 1-5. Two families have children who aren't yet in K. In 14 of the 15 families, both parents work full-time. In only one of the families does only the husband work, although the mom used to have her own business but sold it when they moved here for his work so she is working a bit now to try to get another shop up and running.

Our kids do all the things you mentioned above and then some. Point is, our kids all do sports, music, theater, academics, etc. Their schedules are all over the place and their activities are all over the map. The parents are lawyers, doctors, military, HR, IT, teacher, engineers, financial advisors, executives, veterinarians, and orthodontists/dentists. We all make it work. Some have nannies. Some have part-time sitters. Have some local family. Some work at home. Some are in the office every day. Some are deployed for extended periods of time.

My point is that of course not all activities are going to cater to working families' scheduled. Some will, but many will not (and most in summer time will not, like camps from 9-1). Between flexible work schedules, help from friends, hired help, family, and good planning, all of us have kids going all over the place all the time. That's 15 families with varying set ups and issues all making it work with two working parents. Of course we're all in the same socio-economic bracket because we all live near each other, and we're all UMC, which of course helps immensely when it comes to being able to throw money at certain problems. But I have to say I do roll my eyes at the SAHMs whose husbands make seven figures who say "oh I just can't work because there's so many places I have to shuttle my school-aged kids." Just acknowledge that you don't want to work. That's fine. But stop acting like so many of us don't make it happen without losing our minds.
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Anonymous wrote:Pp again. I’m not sure if it is a strategy but I think busy kids tend to stay out of trouble. My kids play sports, play an instrument, we travel, I help organize social gatherings since none of my kids can drive.

Starting in middle school, kids get into trouble with vaping and drugs. I don’t want my kids to do drugs as their extracurricular activities.


That's very, very sad. All I wanted to do at those ages was run around with my neighborhood friends and be a kid. I don't think busy equals better behaved. I'd kids want to do drugs/drink they will no matter what. Also, busy kids don't learn how to entertain themselves without causing trouble or excessive screen time.


So what does lead to vaping and drug use with teens? I think back to OP’s question, there could be an argument that being home during the middle school years would allow you to be more involved and have more knowledge as to what they are doing and curb the drug use if it starts.


But that’s what we are saying and you are not hearing. I am home when my kids are home. And I work. And same with all my friends. My husband works too and he’s home most days too. We are on it, don’t you worry.


You are the one that is not hearing. That's great for you and your friends, but not every profession/industry can accommodate being at home "most days." Some jobs require you to choose between working and being at home in time to do all the driving.
Would you go to a dentist that had to leave mid filling to drive her kid to soccer practice?


My dentist closes at 4:30, so yeah. I literally don’t know anyone who stays home to “drive to activities.” The women I know who stay home with teens do so because they don’t want to work and no other reason. They don’t make up dumb excuses no one believes. But you do you.


So who is picking up your dentist's kid when band rehersal ends at 3:30, the way my kid's does?


Their spouse? The activity bus? A carpool? Lots of options. Not everyone has no friends and an absentee spouse. Use some imagination.


Doesn't the spouse have to work? What activity bus? Not all schools have an activity bus.
Carpool? Don't THOSE people work?


Lots and lots and lots of people can do a school run in the middle of a work day. You really don’t know ANY? Almost every family I know can do this. I’m an ES teacher and my work day ends at 2:45. Again, use your brain.


You are a teacher? I weep for our youth. Use YOUR brain teacher! Not every school gets out at 2:45.


DP - come on. This problem is solvable. I get that you want to throw out every hypothetical and tell us how we must not actually doing it, we must be failing our kids, but we’re not. It actually is possible to work FT and support your kids and be a good parent. If someone chooses not to work, super. Have at it. But stop cutting down those of us who do.


It is for you. Not for me at this stage in life. Everybody is different and has different circumstances, options, capabilities, etc.

I noticed that somebody said that those who can be with their kids while they aren’t at school and still have full-time jobs made choices/sacrifices that gave them that flexibility. When you talk about how SAHMs of kids in school are just making excuses for not working, think about the fact that not everybody made those same smart choices that you did.


I agree at this point you are lacking the problem solving skills most people are looking for. Sorry you are “forced” not work and didn’t “make smart choices.”


Thank you for your sympathy. I have been staying from the start of this thread that I wish I had established a career so that I would have more flexibility now. But BC failed when I was in law school, and there were a lot of non-traditional students who were getting their degrees and starting kick-A legal careers when their kids were in high school. They all highly recommended staying at home during the younger years because the teen years were so flexible. Well now here I am, with essentially fifteen years out of the workforce, two kids (including a teenager with severe mental health issues), and a husband with a really demanding job. That coupled with a chronic illness and a decently heavy schlepping schedule make it so that no, I personally cannot be the mom my kids need me to be and work full-time. I’m happy for you that you made different choices, and I am grateful that my husband makes enough money to enable me to focus the bulk of my energies on being a good mom.


I am sorry for your situation, but this is really a “you” problem and not a universal issue.


Well, the universal issue is that no two situations are and we all just have to make judgment calls about what best in any given situation or season of our lives. What is not universal is that anybody can work full-time and be a good mom, like PPs have been saying.


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Anonymous wrote:0-5 (or until school starts) is the best bang for your buck as the kids are actually home all day.



So to have 6 hours of free time / me time every day while the kids are at school while the other parent works full time to take on 100% of all financial responsibilities of having children isn't an example I would set for my kids nor one that would create an equal marriage.


So I have been with my husband for 24 years and married for 15. As a SAHM let me tell you I do not have 6 hrs free time/me time every day. I get the kids off to school at 9:15 (late bell school) and it’s a race to do my part time job, clean up after breakfast, do all the housework be it laundry, Cleaning, organizing. Do our food planning, be it shopping prep or cooking, organize kids sports and activities and all kid related things (kids are insanely busy and need extra support that only I can provide), I manage important items for my elderly parents and manage our rental properties, get in a quick home improvement project or help at the kids school and they are home and we are ferrying them to activities. My husband helps with child care and housework as he is able to always but he also gets to go to every work dinner and event without worrying about coordinating childcare. With my small contribution and his rising salary we are in the high six figures and there is real peace and stability in our home. Not sure I see that as much in the two parent full time work out of the home scenarios. It gets crazy.


Sure, you successfully fill your day with activities that make you busy. Those of us who work have the whole family clean up after breakfast by actually having people put their dishes in the dishwasher when they're done eating, we do laundry in the morning before work and in the evenings after work and on the weekends or outsource it, we have cleaners or the family chips in and does cleaning throughout the week, we keep things organized as we go or take some time when we have a minute to dedicate it to a particular task, we do food planning as a family after dinner or we do it while on a conference call or sitting in traffic, we shop on our way home from work or place an order during lunch and have it delivered when we're at home, we cook as a family or plan accordingly by having easier meals during the week and making some things ahead on the weekends, we organize kids sports and activities and all kid-related things in the evenings or while on calls or while with our children, we manage items for our elderly parents during the day or on the weekends, we also manage our rental properties at the same time, and somehow we manage to do home improvements tasks when we're at gome.

I get it, you want to say you're so busy, but I just can't help but laugh and wonder what you think families with two working parents do. We literally do everything you do, we just manage to also work while doing it.
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Anonymous wrote:+1. I’m a SAHM and I definitely don’t have 6 free hours to myself. Usually 1-2, but not 6. Cooking, cleaning, laundry, and pets don’t take care of themselves. Part of the value to me is that my family isn’t inconvenienced by chores and my stuff over the weekend (gym, lunch with friends, etc). I can take care of them on the weekend knowing I have time to go the gym and work on house projects while they’re at work/school.


Keep these posts coming, DCUM. They're gold.
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Anonymous wrote:Pp again. I’m not sure if it is a strategy but I think busy kids tend to stay out of trouble. My kids play sports, play an instrument, we travel, I help organize social gatherings since none of my kids can drive.

Starting in middle school, kids get into trouble with vaping and drugs. I don’t want my kids to do drugs as their extracurricular activities.


That's very, very sad. All I wanted to do at those ages was run around with my neighborhood friends and be a kid. I don't think busy equals better behaved. I'd kids want to do drugs/drink they will no matter what. Also, busy kids don't learn how to entertain themselves without causing trouble or excessive screen time.


So what does lead to vaping and drug use with teens? I think back to OP’s question, there could be an argument that being home during the middle school years would allow you to be more involved and have more knowledge as to what they are doing and curb the drug use if it starts.


But that’s what we are saying and you are not hearing. I am home when my kids are home. And I work. And same with all my friends. My husband works too and he’s home most days too. We are on it, don’t you worry.


You are the one that is not hearing. That's great for you and your friends, but not every profession/industry can accommodate being at home "most days." Some jobs require you to choose between working and being at home in time to do all the driving.
Would you go to a dentist that had to leave mid filling to drive her kid to soccer practice?


My dentist closes at 4:30, so yeah. I literally don’t know anyone who stays home to “drive to activities.” The women I know who stay home with teens do so because they don’t want to work and no other reason. They don’t make up dumb excuses no one believes. But you do you.


So who is picking up your dentist's kid when band rehersal ends at 3:30, the way my kid's does?


Their spouse? The activity bus? A carpool? Lots of options. Not everyone has no friends and an absentee spouse. Use some imagination.


Doesn't the spouse have to work? What activity bus? Not all schools have an activity bus.
Carpool? Don't THOSE people work?


Lots and lots and lots of people can do a school run in the middle of a work day. You really don’t know ANY? Almost every family I know can do this. I’m an ES teacher and my work day ends at 2:45. Again, use your brain.


You are a teacher? I weep for our youth. Use YOUR brain teacher! Not every school gets out at 2:45.


DP - come on. This problem is solvable. I get that you want to throw out every hypothetical and tell us how we must not actually doing it, we must be failing our kids, but we’re not. It actually is possible to work FT and support your kids and be a good parent. If someone chooses not to work, super. Have at it. But stop cutting down those of us who do.


It is for you. Not for me at this stage in life. Everybody is different and has different circumstances, options, capabilities, etc.

I noticed that somebody said that those who can be with their kids while they aren’t at school and still have full-time jobs made choices/sacrifices that gave them that flexibility. When you talk about how SAHMs of kids in school are just making excuses for not working, think about the fact that not everybody made those same smart choices that you did.


I agree at this point you are lacking the problem solving skills most people are looking for. Sorry you are “forced” not work and didn’t “make smart choices.”


Thank you for your sympathy. I have been staying from the start of this thread that I wish I had established a career so that I would have more flexibility now. But BC failed when I was in law school, and there were a lot of non-traditional students who were getting their degrees and starting kick-A legal careers when their kids were in high school. They all highly recommended staying at home during the younger years because the teen years were so flexible. Well now here I am, with essentially fifteen years out of the workforce, two kids (including a teenager with severe mental health issues), and a husband with a really demanding job. That coupled with a chronic illness and a decently heavy schlepping schedule make it so that no, I personally cannot be the mom my kids need me to be and work full-time. I’m happy for you that you made different choices, and I am grateful that my husband makes enough money to enable me to focus the bulk of my energies on being a good mom.


I am sorry for your situation, but this is really a “you” problem and not a universal issue.


Well, the universal issue is that no two situations are and we all just have to make judgment calls about what best in any given situation or season of our lives. What is not universal is that anybody can work full-time and be a good mom, like PPs have been saying.


Nope, it actually is pretty universal. People figure it out, or make compromises, which is part of life. Only “special” people come up with excuses.


It is possible to have 2 full time working parents, but it’s not actually easy. You give up most of your free personal time for years on end (working during the day, then shuttling kids around, making dinner, helping with homework in the evening.)


My husband and I both work full-time and always have. We have two children in elementary school and no longer have a nanny. We do have a cleaning service that comes every two weeks. We also have a gardener. Our kids both play a time-consuming sport and my husband and I also both play a sport. In addition to that, we go away with friends for the weekend (I just went away with my girlfriends at the end of last month and he is going away with his guy friends next month), we do things as a couple without our children, we do things as a family, and we do things with one parent and the kids. We also both work out every day, he plays poker once a month, I'm in a book club that meets once a month. We have no family near us to help.

I wouldn't say our situation is hard to sustain. Also, we have many friends in similar situations. We planned carefully and made choices that allowed us to have this set up. Maybe it meant things you aren't willing to do and we were but we both have plenty of personal time, lots of time with our kids, and a healthy marriage. We also have an elder care issue as my mother lives locally and has dementia so I basically have another child. I get that there are things that haven't happened to us, like a life-threatening illness with a child, but we have dealt with mental health issues, the death of the best parent between the two of us we had, job changes, financial difficulties, and more. So it's not like we're just blissfully unaware of things that life can throw at you and we don't live a perfectly charmed life.

All that to say, I think some people just buy into the idea that you spout - that there's no good way to have two working parents and a good life - and it just isn't universally. Maybe think outside the box and consider the things you'd need to change to make your life be the way you want it to be. And then work to make it happen.


I'm not saying there's no way to have a good life, but DH and I have given up some hobbies and personal time because of all of our work and family obligations. I can see why some families choose to have a SAHM. Most people agree that in the DC area, kids are excessively busy with extracurricular activities.
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Back to the OP, I would do it now, right away, while your kids are little. I work part time with tweens/teens but I wouldn’t trade those early years at home for all the money in the world.
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Anonymous wrote:0-5 (or until school starts) is the best bang for your buck as the kids are actually home all day.



So to have 6 hours of free time / me time every day while the kids are at school while the other parent works full time to take on 100% of all financial responsibilities of having children isn't an example I would set for my kids nor one that would create an equal marriage.


So I have been with my husband for 24 years and married for 15. As a SAHM let me tell you I do not have 6 hrs free time/me time every day. I get the kids off to school at 9:15 (late bell school) and it’s a race to do my part time job, clean up after breakfast, do all the housework be it laundry, Cleaning, organizing. Do our food planning, be it shopping prep or cooking, organize kids sports and activities and all kid related things (kids are insanely busy and need extra support that only I can provide), I manage important items for my elderly parents and manage our rental properties, get in a quick home improvement project or help at the kids school and they are home and we are ferrying them to activities. My husband helps with child care and housework as he is able to always but he also gets to go to every work dinner and event without worrying about coordinating childcare. With my small contribution and his rising salary we are in the high six figures and there is real peace and stability in our home. Not sure I see that as much in the two parent full time work out of the home scenarios. It gets crazy.


Guessing you don’t know many couples that both have cushy WFH jobs. Our neighborhood is full of them and nothing is remotely “crazy.”


You have to admit that everyone having WFH jobs is a relatively new development. A lot of people started SAH before this was widely available.
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