King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?

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Anonymous wrote:There's no obvious choice to switch schools to refill Westfield so a random lottery among the nearby schools seems as equitable as any other solution. I prefer it to watching the politically connected finagle and screw over poor kids.

the obvious choice is to take a school or schools from Centreville.

Chantilly will likely be losing Oak Hill to KAA. So, Chantilly is no longer overcrowded.

Centreville will still be overcrowded, so it is logical to take a school(s) from Centreville. That way, the kids who live next to Centreville will no longer have to go to Fairfax.

This is just logic.

I don't know why PP keeps throwing in Chantilly schools. THRU has suggested some of those in the Wegmann's area for Westfield. That kind of makes sense.

Westfield HS is in Chantilly, not Centreville. That's why people are suggesting filling it with students from the adjacent school zones, which are also in Chantilly. I mean, look at a map.

Oh, please. Centreville High School has a Clifton address......

Yes, it does. And students from Clifton go there. What's your point?

A PP is arguing that only Chantilly kids should go to Westfield because Westfield has a Chantilly address.

Of course, Chantilly High is in Springfield district. So, I guess Greenbriar kids should go to West Springfield.....

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield will have no less than 2650 students when this decision is made. The school is huge. Currently holds 2800 students with very few trailers and is not overcrowded.
If the county is smart they use this new HS to completely redraw their HS maps and fix overcrowding in any eastern schools at the same time.

Seeing as there’s no effort to fill excess capacity at Herndon, I doubt anyone would bat an eyelash if Westfield dropped below 2500. 2250, maybe. Under 2000, definitely.

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Anonymous wrote:I think its interesting that no one will say which Chantilly school or schools they think will be moved out of Chantilly to Westfield. Everyone keeps pointing out why this or that school won't be moved, but someone is going to be moved.

Well, not their kid's school, obviously. The clear choice is Someone Else's School.

Duh!

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Anonymous wrote:No way will it be less than 30%. They will want it in line with the other local schools. Creating a fancy school for rich kids is not their vibe.

Have you ever heard of Langley? Or Madison? Or Oakton?

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Anonymous wrote:I think its interesting that no one will say which Chantilly school or schools they think will be moved out of Chantilly to Westfield. Everyone keeps pointing out why this or that school won't be moved, but someone is going to be moved.

Well, not their kid's school, obviously. The clear choice is Someone Else's School.

Easy answer: Oak Hill will go to KAA. No school is likely to be sent to Westfield.

Centreville needs relief. With Oak Hill out, the school will come from Centreville.

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Anonymous wrote:There's no obvious choice to switch schools to refill Westfield so a random lottery among the nearby schools seems as equitable as any other solution. I prefer it to watching the politically connected finagle and screw over poor kids.

the obvious choice is to take a school or schools from Centreville.

Chantilly will likely be losing Oak Hill to KAA. So, Chantilly is no longer overcrowded.

Centreville will still be overcrowded, so it is logical to take a school(s) from Centreville. That way, the kids who live next to Centreville will no longer have to go to Fairfax.

This is just logic.

I don't know why PP keeps throwing in Chantilly schools. THRU has suggested some of those in the Wegmann's area for Westfield. That kind of makes sense.

Westfield HS is in Chantilly, not Centreville. That's why people are suggesting filling it with students from the adjacent school zones, which are also in Chantilly. I mean, look at a map.

Oh, please. Centreville High School has a Clifton address......

Yes, it does. And students from Clifton go there. What's your point?

A PP is arguing that only Chantilly kids should go to Westfield because Westfield has a Chantilly address.

Of course, Chantilly High is in Springfield district. So, I guess Greenbriar kids should go to West Springfield.....

No, she said its reasonable to fill empty Westfield seats with kids who live in areas of Chantilly next to Westfield being that Westfield is literally IN Chantilly. Stop your nonsense.

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I think they leave it alone and let new construction backfill.

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Anonymous wrote:No way will it be less than 30%. They will want it in line with the other local schools. Creating a fancy school for rich kids is not their vibe.

Have you ever heard of Langley? Or Madison? Or Oakton?

Were their boundaries drawn under the current SB?

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Anonymous wrote:There's no obvious choice to switch schools to refill Westfield so a random lottery among the nearby schools seems as equitable as any other solution. I prefer it to watching the politically connected finagle and screw over poor kids.

the obvious choice is to take a school or schools from Centreville.

Chantilly will likely be losing Oak Hill to KAA. So, Chantilly is no longer overcrowded.

Centreville will still be overcrowded, so it is logical to take a school(s) from Centreville. That way, the kids who live next to Centreville will no longer have to go to Fairfax.

This is just logic.

I don't know why PP keeps throwing in Chantilly schools. THRU has suggested some of those in the Wegmann's area for Westfield. That kind of makes sense.

You don't know the area at all. That development is zoned for Chantilly.

Westfield is *in Chantilly.* That is why people are suggesting Chantilly zoned ESes should be moved in. Because they literally border Westfield's boundary.

Chantilly is in Chantilly too!!!!!

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I wonder if they will still start the renovation at CVHS. It was supposed to start this winter, I believe.

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Anonymous wrote:No way will it be less than 30%. They will want it in line with the other local schools. Creating a fancy school for rich kids is not their vibe.

Have you ever heard of Langley? Or Madison? Or Oakton?

Were their boundaries drawn under the current SB?

They're certainly not CHANGING them under the current boundary study.

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Anonymous wrote:There's no obvious choice to switch schools to refill Westfield so a random lottery among the nearby schools seems as equitable as any other solution. I prefer it to watching the politically connected finagle and screw over poor kids.

the obvious choice is to take a school or schools from Centreville.

Chantilly will likely be losing Oak Hill to KAA. So, Chantilly is no longer overcrowded.

Centreville will still be overcrowded, so it is logical to take a school(s) from Centreville. That way, the kids who live next to Centreville will no longer have to go to Fairfax.

This is just logic.

I don't know why PP keeps throwing in Chantilly schools. THRU has suggested some of those in the Wegmann's area for Westfield. That kind of makes sense.

You don't know the area at all. That development is zoned for Chantilly.

Westfield is *in Chantilly.* That is why people are suggesting Chantilly zoned ESes should be moved in. Because they literally border Westfield's boundary.

Chantilly is in Chantilly too!!!!!

Yes. Did someone say it was not?

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Anonymous wrote:I think they leave it alone and let new construction backfill.

This is an interesting suggestion and definitely the least controversial move.

Do we know how much all that new construction is expected to yield as far as students? There are a lot of new developments all multifamily.

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Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

If they also add in Poplar Tree, that would get their school back up into reasonable numbers territory (@400 more kids) and reduce overcrowding at CHS.

Moving Oak Hill will deal with the overcrowding at Chantilly, thanks.

Well, they won't need to move Oak Hill if they are moving Poplar Tree out.

Floris and Oak Hill are the two schools pretty much guaranteed to move to KAA.

you can’t have floris without coates and mcnair. it would leave them as an island for westfield.

i think it’s floris coates mcnair and oak hill

Agree 100% you don’t create a Westfield island but there’s always the theoretical possibility you move Coates or McNair elsewhere (Coates to Herndon, McNair to South Lakes). However that leaves KAA super wealthy if is Floris, Oak Hill, Fox Mill, and Crossfield, with maybe a bit of Navy, so unlikely.

South Lakes refused McNair in 2008. The PTA didn't want them. That boundary study was based on nothing but socioeconomic issues.
They won't send Coates to Herndon --they might consider McNair, but I doubt it.

It will be:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
Crossfield--if they can squeeze it in.

If they do this, it will be a 40% FARMS school. They won't do it. It will be Coates or McNair, not both.

Devils advocate, but no one has a problem with Herndon or Westfield having 40% FARMs. Why should KAA be any different?

There will be huge pressure on fcps regarding the optics on demographics of this building simply because it is so so so much nicer than any other FCPS facility.

They will neither want nor need to overtly consider demographics when the starting point will be to populate KAA with Coates, McNair, Floris, and Oak Hill. If it were just these four it will be moderate FARMS due to Coates and McNair. Add one more low FARMS feeder like Crossfield or Fox Mill, and the rate comes down, but it’s still got good diversity and compact boundaries and no one will confuse it with Langley. So the demographics of KAA only become an issue because other people are throwing mud at the wall because they don’t like the potential ripple effects.

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Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

If they also add in Poplar Tree, that would get their school back up into reasonable numbers territory (@400 more kids) and reduce overcrowding at CHS.

Moving Oak Hill will deal with the overcrowding at Chantilly, thanks.

Well, they won't need to move Oak Hill if they are moving Poplar Tree out.

Floris and Oak Hill are the two schools pretty much guaranteed to move to KAA.

you can’t have floris without coates and mcnair. it would leave them as an island for westfield.

i think it’s floris coates mcnair and oak hill

Agree 100% you don’t create a Westfield island but there’s always the theoretical possibility you move Coates or McNair elsewhere (Coates to Herndon, McNair to South Lakes). However that leaves KAA super wealthy if is Floris, Oak Hill, Fox Mill, and Crossfield, with maybe a bit of Navy, so unlikely.

South Lakes refused McNair in 2008. The PTA didn't want them. That boundary study was based on nothing but socioeconomic issues.
They won't send Coates to Herndon --they might consider McNair, but I doubt it.

It will be:
Coates
McNair
Floris
Oak Hill
Crossfield--if they can squeeze it in.

If they do this, it will be a 40% FARMS school. They won't do it. It will be Coates or McNair, not both.

Devils advocate, but no one has a problem with Herndon or Westfield having 40% FARMs. Why should KAA be any different?

There will be huge pressure on fcps regarding the optics on demographics of this building simply because it is so so so much nicer than any other FCPS facility.

They will neither want nor need to overtly consider demographics when the starting point will be to populate KAA with Coates, McNair, Floris, and Oak Hill. If it were just these four it will be moderate FARMS due to Coates and McNair. Add one more low FARMS feeder like Crossfield or Fox Mill, and the rate comes down, but it’s still got good diversity and compact boundaries and no one will confuse it with Langley. So the demographics of KAA only become an issue because other people are throwing mud at the wall because they don’t like the potential ripple effects.

The demographics are an issue b/c this SB and FCPS leadership care GREATLY about appearances and looking like they put equity first. They literally say, equity is the most important thing. They will do what's logical AS LONG AS it gets them to somewhere like 30% FARMS kids. If it doesn't they will start to rejigger to try to get their desired balance.