Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

Nope. That is not how responsibility works. The buck stops with those individuals that agreed to the plan. Those individuals that chose to ignore the criticisms. Thise individuals that chose to do this. ANC commissioners are not politicians. They are not and have never been policy makers. Yet on this they decided to be that.

Nope. It’s a democracy. You have a voice equal to every other person at an ANC mtg. Did you show up? No? Your responsibility as a citizen to show up. Do you even vote?

And “no, we have lives so we let other people make decisions for us because they must not have lives?” But then we will blame the people who didn’t read our minds for making decisions without us. We were too busy.

Sorry. Guess you’ll pay more attention next time.

Nobody we know went to the “Connecticut Avenue NW Reversible Lane Safety and Operations Study” meetings. Why would they, everyone agreed they were bad and glad they were gone. I think more people would have showed up to the “Create a Traffic Nightmare on Connecticut Ave Meetings.” My ANC had its first meeting on the “Reversible Lane Study” on February 24, 2021 when my kids had been out of school for nearly one year and weeks after 1/6. Like many families with young kids we were barely keeping it together and dealing with multiple mental health issues. This was no time to be making major regional transportation decisions. Many of us are angry and feel as if this plan was rammed through by the young, childless, and abled. There may have been 50 meetings total, but each ANC only had a few, so it was easy to miss if you weren’t paying attention.

I'm not young or childless and found that the pandemic made it much easier to attend and participate in ANC and other public meetings.

Also, has it occurred to you that maybe if you have participated, you would understand the plan better and that if you did understand the plan, you might realize that it's not the bogeyman you seem to think it is? Ward 3 NIMBYs have perfected the art of trying to foment opposition to projects based on half-truths, fabrications, and outright lies. Sometimes this happens deliberately, but often it's because they just never bothered to educate themselves before opening their mouths in the first place and are then to damn conceited to acknowledge their misrepresentations once they learn more.

Dozens of pages before, someone who clearly does understand the plan explained very patiently why the combined changes will improve vehicle flow along CT Ave. and not result in significant spillovers of traffic to side streets. Please go back and read that. With an open mind.

After working all day and while simultaneously homeschooling your kids you found time to hop on an ANC Zoom call? This is completely not plausible.

DP, but I'm in a similar boat and I've been able to make it to many more meetings like ANC meetings or presentations. I'm usually double tasking, getting dinner going or kids through homework while listening and participating when I can. Why is that so hard to believe?

It's a lot easier than justifying stepping out of the house for an in-person meeting.

It’s hard to believe because I’ve attended multiple in person and Zoom ANC meetings and have never seen more than 15 members of the community attend. And most are only on to get their deck permits approved.

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

DP. It’s going to be fun watching you all cry when the capital funds disappear from the budget.

Except the proposal directly aligns with the Biden infrastructure priorities. So, not likely.

No it doesn't. There is nothing in Biden's infrastructure plans about removing traffic lanes and intentionally incresing congestion and traffic in order to force people to use bicycles.

That is not what this plan does, but you can keep mischaracterizing it to your heat's content. It doesn't make you look very smart, though.

That is indeed what it does. You don't like the wording because it is not spun and has no euphemisms. But that is exactly what you are proposing. Induced demand!

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

People have lives. Also, the D.C. government tries to sneak things like this by the public because they know people will hate it and kill it. You're dreaming if you think this project is actually going to happen.

"People have lives." You are completely off your rocker. Many ANC reps hold down busy jobs and have families and yet still find time to not only participate in the meetings but organize and lead them. The "D.C. government" held multiple virtual public meetings to present their plans and receive feedback from the community. The plans have been revised on account of that feedback. The local community not only likes this plan, but has endorsed it. Please get over it and stop insulting the rest of us by posting such bovine excreta.

The local community clearly does not like this plan. The amount of messages on the listserv and posts on this thread are quite telling.

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

People have lives. Also, the D.C. government tries to sneak things like this by the public because they know people will hate it and kill it. You're dreaming if you think this project is actually going to happen.

"People have lives." You are completely off your rocker. Many ANC reps hold down busy jobs and have families and yet still find time to not only participate in the meetings but organize and lead them. The "D.C. government" held multiple virtual public meetings to present their plans and receive feedback from the community. The plans have been revised on account of that feedback. The local community not only likes this plan, but has endorsed it. Please get over it and stop insulting the rest of us by posting such bovine excreta.

The local community clearly does not like this plan. The amount of messages on the listserv and posts on this thread are quite telling.

Not everyone has time to log on to a website, type a screed, post it, and then pat themselves on the back. Some of us are trying to raise kids, prepare dinner, video zoom calls with

aw heck the joke is dead now.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

People have lives. Also, the D.C. government tries to sneak things like this by the public because they know people will hate it and kill it. You're dreaming if you think this project is actually going to happen.

"People have lives." You are completely off your rocker. Many ANC reps hold down busy jobs and have families and yet still find time to not only participate in the meetings but organize and lead them. The "D.C. government" held multiple virtual public meetings to present their plans and receive feedback from the community. The plans have been revised on account of that feedback. The local community not only likes this plan, but has endorsed it. Please get over it and stop insulting the rest of us by posting such bovine excreta.

The local community clearly does not like this plan. The amount of messages on the listserv and posts on this thread are quite telling.

Not everyone has time to log on to a website, type a screed, post it, and then pat themselves on the back. Some of us are trying to raise kids, prepare dinner, video zoom calls with

aw heck the joke is dead now.

Um, the kids are all finally back in school. No thanks to the people you voted for.

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

Nope. That is not how responsibility works. The buck stops with those individuals that agreed to the plan. Those individuals that chose to ignore the criticisms. Thise individuals that chose to do this. ANC commissioners are not politicians. They are not and have never been policy makers. Yet on this they decided to be that.

Nope. It’s a democracy. You have a voice equal to every other person at an ANC mtg. Did you show up? No? Your responsibility as a citizen to show up. Do you even vote?

And “no, we have lives so we let other people make decisions for us because they must not have lives?” But then we will blame the people who didn’t read our minds for making decisions without us. We were too busy.

Sorry. Guess you’ll pay more attention next time.

Nobody we know went to the “Connecticut Avenue NW Reversible Lane Safety and Operations Study” meetings. Why would they, everyone agreed they were bad and glad they were gone. I think more people would have showed up to the “Create a Traffic Nightmare on Connecticut Ave Meetings.” My ANC had its first meeting on the “Reversible Lane Study” on February 24, 2021 when my kids had been out of school for nearly one year and weeks after 1/6. Like many families with young kids we were barely keeping it together and dealing with multiple mental health issues. This was no time to be making major regional transportation decisions. Many of us are angry and feel as if this plan was rammed through by the young, childless, and abled. There may have been 50 meetings total, but each ANC only had a few, so it was easy to miss if you weren’t paying attention.

I'm not young or childless and found that the pandemic made it much easier to attend and participate in ANC and other public meetings.

Also, has it occurred to you that maybe if you have participated, you would understand the plan better and that if you did understand the plan, you might realize that it's not the bogeyman you seem to think it is? Ward 3 NIMBYs have perfected the art of trying to foment opposition to projects based on half-truths, fabrications, and outright lies. Sometimes this happens deliberately, but often it's because they just never bothered to educate themselves before opening their mouths in the first place and are then to damn conceited to acknowledge their misrepresentations once they learn more.

Dozens of pages before, someone who clearly does understand the plan explained very patiently why the combined changes will improve vehicle flow along CT Ave. and not result in significant spillovers of traffic to side streets. Please go back and read that. With an open mind.

After working all day and while simultaneously homeschooling your kids you found time to hop on an ANC Zoom call? This is completely not plausible.

DP, but I'm in a similar boat and I've been able to make it to many more meetings like ANC meetings or presentations. I'm usually double tasking, getting dinner going or kids through homework while listening and participating when I can. Why is that so hard to believe?

It's a lot easier than justifying stepping out of the house for an in-person meeting.

It’s hard to believe because I’ve attended multiple in person and Zoom ANC meetings and have never seen more than 15 members of the community attend. And most are only on to get their deck permits approved.

So you were at the meetings where these options were discussed? Did you raise concerns? Did you tell your friends and neighbors about the mtgs? How did you manage to find the time to attend?

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

Nope. That is not how responsibility works. The buck stops with those individuals that agreed to the plan. Those individuals that chose to ignore the criticisms. Thise individuals that chose to do this. ANC commissioners are not politicians. They are not and have never been policy makers. Yet on this they decided to be that.

Nope. It’s a democracy. You have a voice equal to every other person at an ANC mtg. Did you show up? No? Your responsibility as a citizen to show up. Do you even vote?

And “no, we have lives so we let other people make decisions for us because they must not have lives?” But then we will blame the people who didn’t read our minds for making decisions without us. We were too busy.

Sorry. Guess you’ll pay more attention next time.

Nobody we know went to the “Connecticut Avenue NW Reversible Lane Safety and Operations Study” meetings. Why would they, everyone agreed they were bad and glad they were gone. I think more people would have showed up to the “Create a Traffic Nightmare on Connecticut Ave Meetings.” My ANC had its first meeting on the “Reversible Lane Study” on February 24, 2021 when my kids had been out of school for nearly one year and weeks after 1/6. Like many families with young kids we were barely keeping it together and dealing with multiple mental health issues. This was no time to be making major regional transportation decisions. Many of us are angry and feel as if this plan was rammed through by the young, childless, and abled. There may have been 50 meetings total, but each ANC only had a few, so it was easy to miss if you weren’t paying attention.

I'm not young or childless and found that the pandemic made it much easier to attend and participate in ANC and other public meetings.

Also, has it occurred to you that maybe if you have participated, you would understand the plan better and that if you did understand the plan, you might realize that it's not the bogeyman you seem to think it is? Ward 3 NIMBYs have perfected the art of trying to foment opposition to projects based on half-truths, fabrications, and outright lies. Sometimes this happens deliberately, but often it's because they just never bothered to educate themselves before opening their mouths in the first place and are then to damn conceited to acknowledge their misrepresentations once they learn more.

Dozens of pages before, someone who clearly does understand the plan explained very patiently why the combined changes will improve vehicle flow along CT Ave. and not result in significant spillovers of traffic to side streets. Please go back and read that. With an open mind.

After working all day and while simultaneously homeschooling your kids you found time to hop on an ANC Zoom call? This is completely not plausible.

Yep. ANC meetings are once a month. The consultations are even more infrequent. It’s not that hard. Really.

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

Nope. That is not how responsibility works. The buck stops with those individuals that agreed to the plan. Those individuals that chose to ignore the criticisms. Thise individuals that chose to do this. ANC commissioners are not politicians. They are not and have never been policy makers. Yet on this they decided to be that.

Nope. It’s a democracy. You have a voice equal to every other person at an ANC mtg. Did you show up? No? Your responsibility as a citizen to show up. Do you even vote?

And “no, we have lives so we let other people make decisions for us because they must not have lives?” But then we will blame the people who didn’t read our minds for making decisions without us. We were too busy.

Sorry. Guess you’ll pay more attention next time.

Nobody we know went to the “Connecticut Avenue NW Reversible Lane Safety and Operations Study” meetings. Why would they, everyone agreed they were bad and glad they were gone. I think more people would have showed up to the “Create a Traffic Nightmare on Connecticut Ave Meetings.” My ANC had its first meeting on the “Reversible Lane Study” on February 24, 2021 when my kids had been out of school for nearly one year and weeks after 1/6. Like many families with young kids we were barely keeping it together and dealing with multiple mental health issues. This was no time to be making major regional transportation decisions. Many of us are angry and feel as if this plan was rammed through by the young, childless, and abled. There may have been 50 meetings total, but each ANC only had a few, so it was easy to miss if you weren’t paying attention.

I'm not young or childless and found that the pandemic made it much easier to attend and participate in ANC and other public meetings.

Also, has it occurred to you that maybe if you have participated, you would understand the plan better and that if you did understand the plan, you might realize that it's not the bogeyman you seem to think it is? Ward 3 NIMBYs have perfected the art of trying to foment opposition to projects based on half-truths, fabrications, and outright lies. Sometimes this happens deliberately, but often it's because they just never bothered to educate themselves before opening their mouths in the first place and are then to damn conceited to acknowledge their misrepresentations once they learn more.

Dozens of pages before, someone who clearly does understand the plan explained very patiently why the combined changes will improve vehicle flow along CT Ave. and not result in significant spillovers of traffic to side streets. Please go back and read that. With an open mind.

After working all day and while simultaneously homeschooling your kids you found time to hop on an ANC Zoom call? This is completely not plausible.

DP, but I'm in a similar boat and I've been able to make it to many more meetings like ANC meetings or presentations. I'm usually double tasking, getting dinner going or kids through homework while listening and participating when I can. Why is that so hard to believe?

It's a lot easier than justifying stepping out of the house for an in-person meeting.

It’s hard to believe because I’ve attended multiple in person and Zoom ANC meetings and have never seen more than 15 members of the community attend. And most are only on to get their deck permits approved.

There were hundreds of participants at the ANC meeting in my area dealing with bike lanes. Also this is a totally ridiculous argument. You can't complain that nobody goes to ANC meetings, and you don't go to ANC meetings, and therefore the ANC should not address any important issues.

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

Nope. That is not how responsibility works. The buck stops with those individuals that agreed to the plan. Those individuals that chose to ignore the criticisms. Thise individuals that chose to do this. ANC commissioners are not politicians. They are not and have never been policy makers. Yet on this they decided to be that.

Nope. It’s a democracy. You have a voice equal to every other person at an ANC mtg. Did you show up? No? Your responsibility as a citizen to show up. Do you even vote?

And “no, we have lives so we let other people make decisions for us because they must not have lives?” But then we will blame the people who didn’t read our minds for making decisions without us. We were too busy.

Sorry. Guess you’ll pay more attention next time.

Nobody we know went to the “Connecticut Avenue NW Reversible Lane Safety and Operations Study” meetings. Why would they, everyone agreed they were bad and glad they were gone. I think more people would have showed up to the “Create a Traffic Nightmare on Connecticut Ave Meetings.” My ANC had its first meeting on the “Reversible Lane Study” on February 24, 2021 when my kids had been out of school for nearly one year and weeks after 1/6. Like many families with young kids we were barely keeping it together and dealing with multiple mental health issues. This was no time to be making major regional transportation decisions. Many of us are angry and feel as if this plan was rammed through by the young, childless, and abled. There may have been 50 meetings total, but each ANC only had a few, so it was easy to miss if you weren’t paying attention.

I'm not young or childless and found that the pandemic made it much easier to attend and participate in ANC and other public meetings.

Also, has it occurred to you that maybe if you have participated, you would understand the plan better and that if you did understand the plan, you might realize that it's not the bogeyman you seem to think it is? Ward 3 NIMBYs have perfected the art of trying to foment opposition to projects based on half-truths, fabrications, and outright lies. Sometimes this happens deliberately, but often it's because they just never bothered to educate themselves before opening their mouths in the first place and are then to damn conceited to acknowledge their misrepresentations once they learn more.

Dozens of pages before, someone who clearly does understand the plan explained very patiently why the combined changes will improve vehicle flow along CT Ave. and not result in significant spillovers of traffic to side streets. Please go back and read that. With an open mind.

After working all day and while simultaneously homeschooling your kids you found time to hop on an ANC Zoom call? This is completely not plausible.

DP, but I'm in a similar boat and I've been able to make it to many more meetings like ANC meetings or presentations. I'm usually double tasking, getting dinner going or kids through homework while listening and participating when I can. Why is that so hard to believe?

It's a lot easier than justifying stepping out of the house for an in-person meeting.

It’s hard to believe because I’ve attended multiple in person and Zoom ANC meetings and have never seen more than 15 members of the community attend. And most are only on to get their deck permits approved.

There were hundreds of participants at the ANC meeting in my area dealing with bike lanes. Also this is a totally ridiculous argument. You can't complain that nobody goes to ANC meetings, and you don't go to ANC meetings, and therefore the ANC should not address any important issues.

BS. Which ANC and which meeting?

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

Nope. That is not how responsibility works. The buck stops with those individuals that agreed to the plan. Those individuals that chose to ignore the criticisms. Thise individuals that chose to do this. ANC commissioners are not politicians. They are not and have never been policy makers. Yet on this they decided to be that.

Nope. It’s a democracy. You have a voice equal to every other person at an ANC mtg. Did you show up? No? Your responsibility as a citizen to show up. Do you even vote?

And “no, we have lives so we let other people make decisions for us because they must not have lives?” But then we will blame the people who didn’t read our minds for making decisions without us. We were too busy.

Sorry. Guess you’ll pay more attention next time.

Nobody we know went to the “Connecticut Avenue NW Reversible Lane Safety and Operations Study” meetings. Why would they, everyone agreed they were bad and glad they were gone. I think more people would have showed up to the “Create a Traffic Nightmare on Connecticut Ave Meetings.” My ANC had its first meeting on the “Reversible Lane Study” on February 24, 2021 when my kids had been out of school for nearly one year and weeks after 1/6. Like many families with young kids we were barely keeping it together and dealing with multiple mental health issues. This was no time to be making major regional transportation decisions. Many of us are angry and feel as if this plan was rammed through by the young, childless, and abled. There may have been 50 meetings total, but each ANC only had a few, so it was easy to miss if you weren’t paying attention.

I'm not young or childless and found that the pandemic made it much easier to attend and participate in ANC and other public meetings.

Also, has it occurred to you that maybe if you have participated, you would understand the plan better and that if you did understand the plan, you might realize that it's not the bogeyman you seem to think it is? Ward 3 NIMBYs have perfected the art of trying to foment opposition to projects based on half-truths, fabrications, and outright lies. Sometimes this happens deliberately, but often it's because they just never bothered to educate themselves before opening their mouths in the first place and are then to damn conceited to acknowledge their misrepresentations once they learn more.

Dozens of pages before, someone who clearly does understand the plan explained very patiently why the combined changes will improve vehicle flow along CT Ave. and not result in significant spillovers of traffic to side streets. Please go back and read that. With an open mind.

After working all day and while simultaneously homeschooling your kids you found time to hop on an ANC Zoom call? This is completely not plausible.

DP, but I'm in a similar boat and I've been able to make it to many more meetings like ANC meetings or presentations. I'm usually double tasking, getting dinner going or kids through homework while listening and participating when I can. Why is that so hard to believe?

It's a lot easier than justifying stepping out of the house for an in-person meeting.

It’s hard to believe because I’ve attended multiple in person and Zoom ANC meetings and have never seen more than 15 members of the community attend. And most are only on to get their deck permits approved.

There were hundreds of participants at the ANC meeting in my area dealing with bike lanes. Also this is a totally ridiculous argument. You can't complain that nobody goes to ANC meetings, and you don't go to ANC meetings, and therefore the ANC should not address any important issues.

BS. Which ANC and which meeting?

There were regularly 100+ attendees at Ct Ave bike lane meetings.

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I don't get the doubt on this. I just listened to an education group zoom tonight, a meeting from the parents group at the school last night, and part of a DDOT meeting for another part of town on Tuesday. I even involve the kids sometimes to explain the issues at hand (they think we're all old and dumb - maybe not wrong).

People make time to watch sports, but DC is also filled with nerds like us who will weigh in on policy in our spare time.

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

Nope. That is not how responsibility works. The buck stops with those individuals that agreed to the plan. Those individuals that chose to ignore the criticisms. Thise individuals that chose to do this. ANC commissioners are not politicians. They are not and have never been policy makers. Yet on this they decided to be that.

Nope. It’s a democracy. You have a voice equal to every other person at an ANC mtg. Did you show up? No? Your responsibility as a citizen to show up. Do you even vote?

And “no, we have lives so we let other people make decisions for us because they must not have lives?” But then we will blame the people who didn’t read our minds for making decisions without us. We were too busy.

Sorry. Guess you’ll pay more attention next time.

Nobody we know went to the “Connecticut Avenue NW Reversible Lane Safety and Operations Study” meetings. Why would they, everyone agreed they were bad and glad they were gone. I think more people would have showed up to the “Create a Traffic Nightmare on Connecticut Ave Meetings.” My ANC had its first meeting on the “Reversible Lane Study” on February 24, 2021 when my kids had been out of school for nearly one year and weeks after 1/6. Like many families with young kids we were barely keeping it together and dealing with multiple mental health issues. This was no time to be making major regional transportation decisions. Many of us are angry and feel as if this plan was rammed through by the young, childless, and abled. There may have been 50 meetings total, but each ANC only had a few, so it was easy to miss if you weren’t paying attention.

So you didn’t show for a meeting because you agreed with what you perceived to be the objective: getting of the reversible lanes. Great. Then you didn’t show for a meeting about a different proposal. But, but, you really cared about that one! Whose responsibility is it to know which ones you care about? Yours!

And yes, at the time, I had kids in ES who had not been in their school for almost a full year.

It wasn't a different proposal. DDOT took the feedback from the public that attended and after a multi-year engagement process, ended up with Option C. But your point is taken.

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

Nope. That is not how responsibility works. The buck stops with those individuals that agreed to the plan. Those individuals that chose to ignore the criticisms. Thise individuals that chose to do this. ANC commissioners are not politicians. They are not and have never been policy makers. Yet on this they decided to be that.

Nope. It’s a democracy. You have a voice equal to every other person at an ANC mtg. Did you show up? No? Your responsibility as a citizen to show up. Do you even vote?

And “no, we have lives so we let other people make decisions for us because they must not have lives?” But then we will blame the people who didn’t read our minds for making decisions without us. We were too busy.

Sorry. Guess you’ll pay more attention next time.

Nobody we know went to the “Connecticut Avenue NW Reversible Lane Safety and Operations Study” meetings. Why would they, everyone agreed they were bad and glad they were gone. I think more people would have showed up to the “Create a Traffic Nightmare on Connecticut Ave Meetings.” My ANC had its first meeting on the “Reversible Lane Study” on February 24, 2021 when my kids had been out of school for nearly one year and weeks after 1/6. Like many families with young kids we were barely keeping it together and dealing with multiple mental health issues. This was no time to be making major regional transportation decisions. Many of us are angry and feel as if this plan was rammed through by the young, childless, and abled. There may have been 50 meetings total, but each ANC only had a few, so it was easy to miss if you weren’t paying attention.

I'm not young or childless and found that the pandemic made it much easier to attend and participate in ANC and other public meetings.

Also, has it occurred to you that maybe if you have participated, you would understand the plan better and that if you did understand the plan, you might realize that it's not the bogeyman you seem to think it is? Ward 3 NIMBYs have perfected the art of trying to foment opposition to projects based on half-truths, fabrications, and outright lies. Sometimes this happens deliberately, but often it's because they just never bothered to educate themselves before opening their mouths in the first place and are then to damn conceited to acknowledge their misrepresentations once they learn more.

Dozens of pages before, someone who clearly does understand the plan explained very patiently why the combined changes will improve vehicle flow along CT Ave. and not result in significant spillovers of traffic to side streets. Please go back and read that. With an open mind.

After working all day and while simultaneously homeschooling your kids you found time to hop on an ANC Zoom call? This is completely not plausible.

Even less plausible...working all day, dropping and picking kids up and school, managing dinner and homework and...attending a meeting in person with no online option.

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

People have lives. Also, the D.C. government tries to sneak things like this by the public because they know people will hate it and kill it. You're dreaming if you think this project is actually going to happen.

"People have lives." You are completely off your rocker. Many ANC reps hold down busy jobs and have families and yet still find time to not only participate in the meetings but organize and lead them. The "D.C. government" held multiple virtual public meetings to present their plans and receive feedback from the community. The plans have been revised on account of that feedback. The local community not only likes this plan, but has endorsed it. Please get over it and stop insulting the rest of us by posting such bovine excreta.

The local community clearly does not like this plan. The amount of messages on the listserv and posts on this thread are quite telling.

I live on Connecticut Avenue. I am the local community. I like this plan. Just because you don't., please don't speak for the rest of us.

The ANC Commissioners up and down the Avenue LISTENED to their constituents and voted for a plan the majority of their constituents support. Why is this so hard to believe? Get out of your single family home bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:At the ANC 3/4G candidate forum, the commissioners describe the bike lanes as a done deal. There wasn't a lot of room for the candidates to distinguish themselves on this issue, and in fact, none of them came out abjectly against them.

Two of the candidates were painfully non-committal, retreating to the 'we need to improve engagement' argument.

So they were embarrassed that this was caught out before they broke ground and think it's just a pr problem.

Let us all remember the names of the people responsible for our impending traffic nightmare. DDOT came up with the plan but those ANC commissioners are the ones that own it.

You are missing the point. The decision has been made. The bike lanes are going in. There are no options for reversing the decision.

If you want to hold anyone accountable, it is the Mayor. So if you want to vote against her, she will only get 80% of the vote instead of 81%.

Nope. I blame the ANC commissioners in our neighborhood. It is they who deserve our ire. It is they who should have known better. It is they who need to accept that their own responsibility will last and that people will not forget.

Actually, you are responsible. You and anyone else who failed to keep up with local community development initiatives. Failed to attend meetings and voice your concerns. Failed to answer surveys. If all these folks on these 120 pages had gotten off their couches and participated in democracy, this may have turned out differently. Go ahead and complain but don’t say you never had your chance. You blew it. It’s on you.

Nope. That is not how responsibility works. The buck stops with those individuals that agreed to the plan. Those individuals that chose to ignore the criticisms. Thise individuals that chose to do this. ANC commissioners are not politicians. They are not and have never been policy makers. Yet on this they decided to be that.

Nope. It’s a democracy. You have a voice equal to every other person at an ANC mtg. Did you show up? No? Your responsibility as a citizen to show up. Do you even vote?

And “no, we have lives so we let other people make decisions for us because they must not have lives?” But then we will blame the people who didn’t read our minds for making decisions without us. We were too busy.

Sorry. Guess you’ll pay more attention next time.

Nobody we know went to the “Connecticut Avenue NW Reversible Lane Safety and Operations Study” meetings. Why would they, everyone agreed they were bad and glad they were gone. I think more people would have showed up to the “Create a Traffic Nightmare on Connecticut Ave Meetings.” My ANC had its first meeting on the “Reversible Lane Study” on February 24, 2021 when my kids had been out of school for nearly one year and weeks after 1/6. Like many families with young kids we were barely keeping it together and dealing with multiple mental health issues. This was no time to be making major regional transportation decisions. Many of us are angry and feel as if this plan was rammed through by the young, childless, and abled. There may have been 50 meetings total, but each ANC only had a few, so it was easy to miss if you weren’t paying attention.

I'm not young or childless and found that the pandemic made it much easier to attend and participate in ANC and other public meetings.

Also, has it occurred to you that maybe if you have participated, you would understand the plan better and that if you did understand the plan, you might realize that it's not the bogeyman you seem to think it is? Ward 3 NIMBYs have perfected the art of trying to foment opposition to projects based on half-truths, fabrications, and outright lies. Sometimes this happens deliberately, but often it's because they just never bothered to educate themselves before opening their mouths in the first place and are then to damn conceited to acknowledge their misrepresentations once they learn more.

Dozens of pages before, someone who clearly does understand the plan explained very patiently why the combined changes will improve vehicle flow along CT Ave. and not result in significant spillovers of traffic to side streets. Please go back and read that. With an open mind.

After working all day and while simultaneously homeschooling your kids you found time to hop on an ANC Zoom call? This is completely not plausible.

DP, but I'm in a similar boat and I've been able to make it to many more meetings like ANC meetings or presentations. I'm usually double tasking, getting dinner going or kids through homework while listening and participating when I can. Why is that so hard to believe?

It's a lot easier than justifying stepping out of the house for an in-person meeting.

It’s hard to believe because I’ve attended multiple in person and Zoom ANC meetings and have never seen more than 15 members of the community attend. And most are only on to get their deck permits approved.

There were hundreds of participants at the ANC meeting in my area dealing with bike lanes. Also this is a totally ridiculous argument. You can't complain that nobody goes to ANC meetings, and you don't go to ANC meetings, and therefore the ANC should not address any important issues.

BS. Which ANC and which meeting?

I attended the ones DDOT sponsored and the ones my ANC sponsored. They had hundreds of participants.