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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The father SOLD his PRECIOUS cemetery plot for 11K to pay to the Gallery Owner which in turn probably ended up in great amount in Akiva's pocket
to "free" his wife from being on display in such a compromised position.

She has been dead for a while. It was NOT Akiva's right entirely to choose to display her publicly any which way he wished. I would totally think he would be within his right to have this painting hanging at home in his place if and where nobody can see it provided the strict rules of the hair display.

I can not relate to such a strict rules but I can certainly imagine that hair was somewhat of a sacred in terms of following some rules to keep it hidden.
This was not a w him, it was the difference between being a woman of God or now. I would assume this was probably painful to be seen like this, to be painted or posted like this.

I would think that tto understand this being outside that community it would be if someone painted their deceased mother with one breast hanging out freely while otherwise fully dressed. I would assume that any loving husband would object and insist on removing any such a picture from any public viewing and would insist on modifying the picture to cover the breast.

And...I would think that the artist who painted it and begged his beloved to watch him on tv so he could explain to the world what the painting means...because it was not only so deeply personal to him but because he also believed his beloved would forgive him and reconcile with him...would be devastated to know this painting was ruined. It doesn’t matter how fast he could paint it or that his dad and mom would be upset by the hair showing...I’m saying it would have been interesting to see the artist’s perspective when he learned the painting was ruined. This is esp so when we see how attached he is to other deeply personal paintings in the show.

I’ll add that no one else had this gasping reaction to the painting that we saw, other than the dad. I don’t think it is like a breast hanging out. It was on tv and seen by others. It was because of the mother’s own shame and reaction to her hair being seen that caused the dad to react as he did. Had the mother not been so upset about it, I don’t think the dad would have painted over the hair. Meaning- it’s because of the moms reaction...not bc it really was like a breast hanging out. Others weren’t shocked by seeing her real hair - just how the mother internalized and felt about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have you ever painted? Once?...

You would know that to paint this picture would not be anywhere NEAR worthy a long term relationship with your father. The value of the pain, the value of the canvas and few hours of work vs.. nonforgivness?? please. .. that is really not remotely a big deal.

It would be somewhat equal to a kid never speaking to a parent over forgetting to pack their lunch in the third grade..

I don’t agree. We see how he feels about his paintings. We also know that this painting was very meaningful to him. He already knows his dad doesn’t support his painting as a career. He wasn’t supportive of his prize, the reception dinner, and is clearly embarrassed by his profession. You think knowing how his dad has not supported him in his passion where others have given him accolades, mixed with knowing the painting that reunited him with Libbe was purchased by his dad and then ruined would be no big deal to him? No way. He may show restraint - like most times his dad brushes off his painting - but I doubt it. Remember when he walked out of the award reception when his dad was talking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The father SOLD his PRECIOUS cemetery plot for 11K to pay to the Gallery Owner which in turn probably ended up in great amount in Akiva's pocket
to "free" his wife from being on display in such a compromised position.

She has been dead for a while. It was NOT Akiva's right entirely to choose to display her publicly any which way he wished. I would totally think he would be within his right to have this painting hanging at home in his place if and where nobody can see it provided the strict rules of the hair display.

I can not relate to such a strict rules but I can certainly imagine that hair was somewhat of a sacred in terms of following some rules to keep it hidden.
This was not a w him, it was the difference between being a woman of God or now. I would assume this was probably painful to be seen like this, to be painted or posted like this.

I would think that tto understand this being outside that community it would be if someone painted their deceased mother with one breast hanging out freely while otherwise fully dressed. I would assume that any loving husband would object and insist on removing any such a picture from any public viewing and would insist on modifying the picture to cover the breast.

And...I would think that the artist who painted it and begged his beloved to watch him on tv so he could explain to the world what the painting means...because it was not only so deeply personal to him but because he also believed his beloved would forgive him and reconcile with him...would be devastated to know this painting was ruined. It doesn’t matter how fast he could paint it or that his dad and mom would be upset by the hair showing...I’m saying it would have been interesting to see the artist’s perspective when he learned the painting was ruined. This is esp so when we see how attached he is to other deeply personal paintings in the show.

I’ll add that no one else had this gasping reaction to the painting that we saw, other than the dad. I don’t think it is like a breast hanging out. It was on tv and seen by others. It was because of the mother’s own shame and reaction to her hair being seen that caused the dad to react as he did. Had the mother not been so upset about it, I don’t think the dad would have painted over the hair. Meaning- it’s because of the moms reaction...not bc it really was like a breast hanging out. Others weren’t shocked by seeing her real hair - just how the mother internalized and felt about it.

I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you applying your own standards to Devorah? You really didn’t learn anything from the drama.

[Anonymous]

^^ I agree that tou don’t understand the point of the post.

[Anonymous]

The hair showing was important to the painting. Mourning his mother's death was so central and it wouldn't have been lost on Akiva that painting that little bit of hair was showing the close relationship between he and his mom. It was a beautiful and complicated detail. I think the writers very consciously chose when to show reactions and when to leave things to the viewer's imagination. They have said as much on Libby's death, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The hair showing was important to the painting. Mourning his mother's death was so central and it wouldn't have been lost on Akiva that painting that little bit of hair was showing the close relationship between he and his mom. It was a beautiful and complicated detail. I think the writers very consciously chose when to show reactions and when to leave things to the viewer's imagination. They have said as much on Libby's death, etc.

I meant wouldn't have been lost on Akiva that showing the hair was both religiously surprising and showing how close they were.

[Anonymous]

I am team Das. Akiva seriously crossed the religious beliefs and modesty rules that clearly his mother felt VERY strongly about. Imagine Akiva's father painting Akivas wife with some private part exposed.

How does it feel now?

Hair in this culture is as heavily guarded as aony private areas in western culture. It is not so hard to understand. Even easier, just respect.

[Anonymous]

I am team Dad. Akiva seriously crossed the religious beliefs and modesty rules that clearly his mother felt VERY strongly about. Imagine Akiva's father painting Akivas wife with some private part exposed.

How does it feel now?

Hair in this culture is as heavily guarded as aony private areas in western culture. It is not so hard to understand. Even easier, just respect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The hair showing was important to the painting. Mourning his mother's death was so central and it wouldn't have been lost on Akiva that painting that little bit of hair was showing the close relationship between he and his mom. It was a beautiful and complicated detail. I think the writers very consciously chose when to show reactions and when to leave things to the viewer's imagination. They have said as much on Libby's death, etc.

HOW was important?

I think that the writers did a good job showing us how important some religious rules are to that community and that hair situation was just a vehicle to do that. I also think this has been lost on you. I entirely think that it shows the struggle between Akiva's young mind that not quite could comprehend all the implications of his actions and old mature wiser mind of his Father who represented not just himself but also his wife and the whole community.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, Akiva DID NOT paint the painting with intention to show. Remember? It was the Kaufman's idea to use it in the show and on the cover.
Therefore maybe Akiva did not think it through considering the painting was for him just to remember his mother by in this intimate moment. That would be totally okay. Things went wrong fast and it was in part due to him processing his grief and having his mind elsewhere and how Kaufman pressed him and the whole TV interview.

Did you notice that the father was NEVER consulted about the painting before Akiva took it to the world? After all this was not only Akiva's mother, it was also a wife of Shulem and Mother of other kids... you would think that what you do with the image of a matriarch should consider feelings of other people in the family no?

[Anonymous]

Akiva painted his first love.. Elisheve in a wedding dress.. and then when she dumped him and left for London, next thing he did.. he took the painting to that mean ghost painter slave drive guy and sold it to him for 1500 shekels...

So much for his deep attachment to a lost love..

Then when he painted his wife, that painting had a very different meaning to him.
So it is NOT like he had one size fits all emotions regarding his all paintings as some here would suggest. Hence, why the whole problem to understand that
his father had a right to protect his wife image just the same.. and Akiva could possibly see it from different perspective if he only tried.

Again: to paint back the hair where it was painted over would be a few minute job. NO big deal. Even redo the painting is easy, but to fix that little patch of paint? No problem. However we don't see him doing it because we assume he came to his senses. Dad was right. Akiva was wrong. However I root for Akiva most times he and dad spar over things.


Remember identical painting of Elisheva? the one he sold? ... or was it Alisheva? you know.. his first love, mom of his student.. the widow.

[Anonymous]

Is Shtisel is Netflix original or Netflix aquired: It has the N on the front and starts with Netflix logo when you play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hair showing was important to the painting. Mourning his mother's death was so central and it wouldn't have been lost on Akiva that painting that little bit of hair was showing the close relationship between he and his mom. It was a beautiful and complicated detail. I think the writers very consciously chose when to show reactions and when to leave things to the viewer's imagination. They have said as much on Libby's death, etc.

I meant wouldn't have been lost on Akiva that showing the hair was both religiously surprising and showing how close they were.

Maybe,

[Anonymous]

Giti's mashed potatoes and meatballs in tomato sauce!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is Shtisel is Netflix original or Netflix aquired: It has the N on the front and starts with Netflix logo when you play.

Netflix acquired.