SAT distribution for top colleges--see how they hoover up the top scorers, leaving crumbs for the rest

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Anonymous wrote:For the state flagship, it depends on what state you live in. The ones in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania don't. The ones here in Virginia, maybe Maryland do.

Don’t what?

[Anonymous]

There are no longer unlimited ParentPlus loans available. So if you can’t pay cash, you can no longer count on those loans to pay tuition at a T20.

And student loans actually are part of the financial aid package at many schools.

So the answer is the state flagship (which is already heavily subsidized) plus merit and hopefully honors college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the state flagship, it depends on what state you live in. The ones in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania don't. The ones here in Virginia, maybe Maryland do.

Don’t what?

1550 scorers don't go to their in-state flagships in these states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the state flagship, it depends on what state you live in. The ones in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania don't. The ones here in Virginia, maybe Maryland do.

Don’t what?

1550 scorers don't go to their in-state flagships in these states.

Oh! And where are you finding that data? Or are you omniscient?

[Anonymous]

My 1550 scorer has only applied to state flagships so far. She will apply to two Ivys but that’s a crapshoot to get in and we can’t really afford it anyways.

Look at the honors colleges and their SATs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yay! My kid is one of the crumbs ready to be snatched up by the rest.

Props to OP for the rare inclusion of the word “hoover” in a sentence, at least in the US.

There are many international parents on here. It is quite popular

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC has a 1570 but isn't even applying to any of those schools. We make too much for Need-based and none of them give any merit to speak of. :/ yes we have college savings but not $800K+ ($100K/year times 2 kids) for just undergrad costs

5-6 schools ivy/type give some amount of need based financial aid to students from households making 300k. A 1570 provided top rigor and top grades is best served at a T20/ivy or WASP. The most selective of which will likely give your family aid.

With the tax on endowments and the loophole of tuition paying students, expect to see these income figures to only increase. It is cheaper to give more aid than it is to pay the tax for some of these schools.

Agree. Maybe the constantly complaining rich DCUMers who think they are middle class yet make 300-400k household will be happy. Most ivies are already 60% on aid, it will be 75% soon. Full pay is becoming more of a negative these days. They say they are need blind, but they can see who checks the box for aid and who does not.

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Anonymous wrote:The figures for the number of 1570+ scorers are low.

When the College Board last released data on the number of scorers at a given score in 2015, the SAT was scored out of 2400. Approximately 17,500 scored in the top 1% out of 1.7 million test takers. There are now around 2.4 million test takers.

A 1570 concordance on the 2400 scale is 2360-2370.

There were only 2,500 scorers who achieved a score of 2360 or higher in 2015.

Even with superscoring, there are probably fewer than 7,500 1570+ SAT scorers each year.

I just find this implausible because my kid has a single-sitting 1570 and really doesn’t seem like she’s all that unusual.

The College Board published the numbers. There were 9,203 test takers who scored 2300 or higher in 2015.

https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/sat/sat-percentile-ranks-composite-crit-reading-math-writing-2015.pdf

You have to use the wayback machine as the College Board now hides the 2015 score behind a firewall.


The concordance table published by the College Board indicates a 2300 old SAT is equivalent to a 1560 new (1600) SAT. https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/concordance/previous

https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/sat/sat-percentile-ranks-composite-crit-reading-math-writing-2015.pdf

You have to use the waybackmachine to access it.

What is a waybackmachine? Never heard of this.

[Anonymous]

What about ACT? 35/36? And why isn't UChicago on the list??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the state flagship, it depends on what state you live in. The ones in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania don't. The ones here in Virginia, maybe Maryland do.

Don’t what?

1550 scorers don't go to their in-state flagships in these states.

My kid has a 35 single sitting. Is this about the same as a 1550?

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! My kid is one of the crumbs ready to be snatched up by the rest.

Props to OP for the rare inclusion of the word “hoover” in a sentence, at least in the US.

There are many international parents on here. It is quite popular

Isn’t hoover just a reference to the vacuum cleaner? Why is that international?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about ACT? 35/36? And why isn't UChicago on the list??

It’s just a back-of-the-envelope list thrown together by someone making a lot of dubious assumptions. They seem to have forgotten about the existence of both UChigago and the ACT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC has a 1570 but isn't even applying to any of those schools. We make too much for Need-based and none of them give any merit to speak of. :/ yes we have college savings but not $800K+ ($100K/year times 2 kids) for just undergrad costs

5-6 schools ivy/type give some amount of need based financial aid to students from households making 300k. A 1570 provided top rigor and top grades is best served at a T20/ivy or WASP. The most selective of which will likely give your family aid.

I really don’t understand why this kid would be best served at a T20 instead of, eg, a state school engineering program. Especially since the state school means graduating with $200k in savings. (And no, the rich schools are not going to give my kid money, because I have the money, I just don’t necessarily think it’s best spent this way.)

+1. My top stats kid picked UVA over Ivy. We banked the difference ($96k -$50k =46 K·$ savings of $46k a year x 4 = roughly $200k which compounded, so we were able to pay for grad work at Oxford and now Yale Law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about ACT? 35/36? And why isn't UChicago on the list??

It’s just a back-of-the-envelope list thrown together by someone making a lot of dubious assumptions. They seem to have forgotten about the existence of both Chicago and the ACT.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yay! My kid is one of the crumbs ready to be snatched up by the rest.

Props to OP for the rare inclusion of the word “hoover” in a sentence, at least in the US.

There are many international parents on here. It is quite popular

Uh, it’s an American vacuum company founded in 1908 in Ohio. Why do you think it’s use is international?