How will clubs make the school year teams?

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Anonymous wrote:When you are talking about only 'top' August kids staying with their grade do you mean only top ECNL level players? What do you think will happen to an August kid who is a top player on a second team at Arlington? Or a lower-level team? And if your kid is not likely to be interested in or good enough to be recruited in college, what's better for the kid? Play on a lower team in their grade level or a higher team the grade below? Or does it not matter?

Why would you go through all the work thats required to play expensive high level competitive soccer and not try to play in college?

Just go play on a B team and if youre going to play on a B team wouldn't it make more sense to play on a B team thats your grade in school?

Not necessarily. That's why a rule isn't wise. Go read the FAQ. Why do you want to mandate that younger players play up on grade-only? That'll hurt deserving players who are in the age group.

No, it wont hurt anyone.

Thats what B teams are for.

The RAE acolytes dont take B teams into consideration. B teams allow younger players to develop at a rate that allows them to be superstars. Then once theyre older and RAE no longer applies these players will work their way onto the A team.

You want ways yo fill out B team rosters dont you? This is how you do it. Allowing grade older players to play down a grade just puts additional pressure on limited A team roster spots.

Stop with the nonsense, everybody is allowed to play in their own assigned age group. Suggesting otherwise is malfeasant. Playing up is only for the best who can play on the best teams. "Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule."

I provided multiple reasons why younger player playing with their grade team makes sense. You provide nothing.

People are figuring it out + wont let their kids get screwed out of playing in college by letting clubs play them on grade down teams.

No, you are ignoring facts and trying to bully strangers.

Im relaying facts and explaining what will happen to players that play on a grade down team. They will be ignored by college recruiters.

Maybe. Like you like to say, we'll see. College coaches have no problem figuring out who the recruits are now and kids play on team in all sorts of grades. That will continue past the BY to SY switch. There's just too much variability in education to have one rule. I see it already on my kids teams.

College coaches have no issues recruiting trapped players in BY because theyre essentially playing up againt more difficult competition

Playing on a grade down team in SY makes players worse than every other player in their grade. They become unrecruitable.

So. We currently have a system where all players play against each other in a 365 day window that we accept.

We change the 365 day window parameters but it is the same 365 day window and college coaches will deem players who change windows unrecruitable because of their birthday?!

Interesting.

What are your child's target schools? Easy money if you child has your common sense.

Duh smart guy. All college coachs care about is the year players graduate. When theres a player thats graduating year A but playing on a team thats graduating a year later it sets off red flags. Why is this so hard? Nobody wants to recruit a trojan horse that cant play against players their own grade in school.

This is so short-sighted. A top player on a national championship winning team or similar top team who so happens to be in a higher grade but in the correct age group will get recruited. Why not have that player play up? Maybe that next year team is just as good. Besides, that player will play/practice with both older and younger kids throughout their club and HS experience (if they so choose). Their club team is just one aspect of their resume.

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Doesn't the just reward the loser red shirting families?

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Anonymous wrote:When you are talking about only 'top' August kids staying with their grade do you mean only top ECNL level players? What do you think will happen to an August kid who is a top player on a second team at Arlington? Or a lower-level team? And if your kid is not likely to be interested in or good enough to be recruited in college, what's better for the kid? Play on a lower team in their grade level or a higher team the grade below? Or does it not matter?

Why would you go through all the work thats required to play expensive high level competitive soccer and not try to play in college?

Just go play on a B team and if youre going to play on a B team wouldn't it make more sense to play on a B team thats your grade in school?

Not necessarily. That's why a rule isn't wise. Go read the FAQ. Why do you want to mandate that younger players play up on grade-only? That'll hurt deserving players who are in the age group.

No, it wont hurt anyone.

Thats what B teams are for.

The RAE acolytes dont take B teams into consideration. B teams allow younger players to develop at a rate that allows them to be superstars. Then once theyre older and RAE no longer applies these players will work their way onto the A team.

You want ways yo fill out B team rosters dont you? This is how you do it. Allowing grade older players to play down a grade just puts additional pressure on limited A team roster spots.

Stop with the nonsense, everybody is allowed to play in their own assigned age group. Suggesting otherwise is malfeasant. Playing up is only for the best who can play on the best teams. "Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule."

I provided multiple reasons why younger player playing with their grade team makes sense. You provide nothing.

People are figuring it out + wont let their kids get screwed out of playing in college by letting clubs play them on grade down teams.

No, you are ignoring facts and trying to bully strangers.

Im relaying facts and explaining what will happen to players that play on a grade down team. They will be ignored by college recruiters.

Maybe. Like you like to say, we'll see. College coaches have no problem figuring out who the recruits are now and kids play on team in all sorts of grades. That will continue past the BY to SY switch. There's just too much variability in education to have one rule. I see it already on my kids teams.

College coaches have no issues recruiting trapped players in BY because theyre essentially playing up againt more difficult competition

Playing on a grade down team in SY makes players worse than every other player in their grade. They become unrecruitable.

So. We currently have a system where all players play against each other in a 365 day window that we accept.

We change the 365 day window parameters but it is the same 365 day window and college coaches will deem players who change windows unrecruitable because of their birthday?!

Interesting.

What are your child's target schools? Easy money if you child has your common sense.

Duh smart guy. All college coachs care about is the year players graduate. When theres a player thats graduating year A but playing on a team thats graduating a year later it sets off red flags. Why is this so hard? Nobody wants to recruit a trojan horse that cant play against players their own grade in school.

This is so short-sighted. A top player on a national championship winning team or similar top team who so happens to be in a higher grade but in the correct age group will get recruited. Why not have that player play up? Maybe that next year team is just as good. Besides, that player will play/practice with both older and younger kids throughout their club and HS experience (if they so choose). Their club team is just one aspect of their resume.

If I was a college coach I wouldn't consider Aug Sept players playing down a grade. Theres probabaly 100s of players playing their grade to pick fron.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the just reward the loser red shirting families?

The problem solves itself when players playing down a grade dont get recruited.

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Ok back to the actual topic of this thread. How will the change be facilitated by clubs?

I wonder if the clubs consider certain levels on one age about as good as a certain level of another. For example, from what I’ve seen at our club with A - F teams, the year older B team is pretty on par with the year younger A team and on down the line. Sometimes there is even a higher level younger team in the same division as an older team, and those can be 2 levels apart. If your child is moving down a year, seems likely, they will move up at 1-2 team levels.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the just reward the loser red shirting families?

The problem solves itself when players playing down a grade dont get recruited.

We'll see -- at least for Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok back to the actual topic of this thread. How will the change be facilitated by clubs?

I wonder if the clubs consider certain levels on one age about as good as a certain level of another. For example, from what I’ve seen at our club with A - F teams, the year older B team is pretty on par with the year younger A team and on down the line. Sometimes there is even a higher level younger team in the same division as an older team, and those can be 2 levels apart. If your child is moving down a year, seems likely, they will move up at 1-2 team levels.

This is why this year will be so crazy. Some AugDec won't want to move from their current team because the team they are on is better than the team below -- and some will because the opposite is true.

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Anonymous wrote:When you are talking about only 'top' August kids staying with their grade do you mean only top ECNL level players? What do you think will happen to an August kid who is a top player on a second team at Arlington? Or a lower-level team? And if your kid is not likely to be interested in or good enough to be recruited in college, what's better for the kid? Play on a lower team in their grade level or a higher team the grade below? Or does it not matter?

Why would you go through all the work thats required to play expensive high level competitive soccer and not try to play in college?

Just go play on a B team and if youre going to play on a B team wouldn't it make more sense to play on a B team thats your grade in school?

Not necessarily. That's why a rule isn't wise. Go read the FAQ. Why do you want to mandate that younger players play up on grade-only? That'll hurt deserving players who are in the age group.

No, it wont hurt anyone.

Thats what B teams are for.

The RAE acolytes dont take B teams into consideration. B teams allow younger players to develop at a rate that allows them to be superstars. Then once theyre older and RAE no longer applies these players will work their way onto the A team.

You want ways yo fill out B team rosters dont you? This is how you do it. Allowing grade older players to play down a grade just puts additional pressure on limited A team roster spots.

Stop with the nonsense, everybody is allowed to play in their own assigned age group. Suggesting otherwise is malfeasant. Playing up is only for the best who can play on the best teams. "Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule."

I provided multiple reasons why younger player playing with their grade team makes sense. You provide nothing.

People are figuring it out + wont let their kids get screwed out of playing in college by letting clubs play them on grade down teams.

No, you are ignoring facts and trying to bully strangers.

Im relaying facts and explaining what will happen to players that play on a grade down team. They will be ignored by college recruiters.

Maybe. Like you like to say, we'll see. College coaches have no problem figuring out who the recruits are now and kids play on team in all sorts of grades. That will continue past the BY to SY switch. There's just too much variability in education to have one rule. I see it already on my kids teams.

College coaches have no issues recruiting trapped players in BY because theyre essentially playing up againt more difficult competition

Playing on a grade down team in SY makes players worse than every other player in their grade. They become unrecruitable.

So. We currently have a system where all players play against each other in a 365 day window that we accept.

We change the 365 day window parameters but it is the same 365 day window and college coaches will deem players who change windows unrecruitable because of their birthday?!

Interesting.

What are your child's target schools? Easy money if you child has your common sense.

Duh smart guy. All college coachs care about is the year players graduate. When theres a player thats graduating year A but playing on a team thats graduating a year later it sets off red flags. Why is this so hard? Nobody wants to recruit a trojan horse that cant play against players their own grade in school.

So. Are the 20+ year old internationals Trojan horses starting as freshman? Asking for a friend.

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Evaluate whether your kid is good enough. If yes, they won’t have problems. If no, stop worrying. Jeez. These threads are mad. Not saying mine is going to make it, but it is case by case, and if you aren’t capable/willing to make the determination, then start doing some self reflection. All else is nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the just reward the loser red shirting families?

The problem solves itself when players playing down a grade dont get recruited.

We'll see -- at least for Arlington.

They are not going to force top team players who are on grade with the rest of the team to play down a grade just because they were born Aug - Dec. Some prefer to go down because their kids are a grade behind and the younger team is better. Some will continue to play on grade.

The question remains only to those who are not on grade and don’t want to go down if the club would listen to the parents or not.

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Just for the record, you have time to self-correct. If you are obsessed with this, it is 100% chance your child is. It is a 100% chance a college coach will take my kid and us as a supporting family who don’t give a 💩 about things we can’t control and are simply proactively working on our game which we can control. Don’t say someone did not tell you.

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Anonymous wrote:When you are talking about only 'top' August kids staying with their grade do you mean only top ECNL level players? What do you think will happen to an August kid who is a top player on a second team at Arlington? Or a lower-level team? And if your kid is not likely to be interested in or good enough to be recruited in college, what's better for the kid? Play on a lower team in their grade level or a higher team the grade below? Or does it not matter?

Why would you go through all the work thats required to play expensive high level competitive soccer and not try to play in college?

Just go play on a B team and if youre going to play on a B team wouldn't it make more sense to play on a B team thats your grade in school?

Not necessarily. That's why a rule isn't wise. Go read the FAQ. Why do you want to mandate that younger players play up on grade-only? That'll hurt deserving players who are in the age group.

No, it wont hurt anyone.

Thats what B teams are for.

The RAE acolytes dont take B teams into consideration. B teams allow younger players to develop at a rate that allows them to be superstars. Then once theyre older and RAE no longer applies these players will work their way onto the A team.

You want ways yo fill out B team rosters dont you? This is how you do it. Allowing grade older players to play down a grade just puts additional pressure on limited A team roster spots.

Stop with the nonsense, everybody is allowed to play in their own assigned age group. Suggesting otherwise is malfeasant. Playing up is only for the best who can play on the best teams. "Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule."

I provided multiple reasons why younger player playing with their grade team makes sense. You provide nothing.

People are figuring it out + wont let their kids get screwed out of playing in college by letting clubs play them on grade down teams.

No, you are ignoring facts and trying to bully strangers.

Im relaying facts and explaining what will happen to players that play on a grade down team. They will be ignored by college recruiters.

Maybe. Like you like to say, we'll see. College coaches have no problem figuring out who the recruits are now and kids play on team in all sorts of grades. That will continue past the BY to SY switch. There's just too much variability in education to have one rule. I see it already on my kids teams.

College coaches have no issues recruiting trapped players in BY because theyre essentially playing up againt more difficult competition

Playing on a grade down team in SY makes players worse than every other player in their grade. They become unrecruitable.

So. We currently have a system where all players play against each other in a 365 day window that we accept.

We change the 365 day window parameters but it is the same 365 day window and college coaches will deem players who change windows unrecruitable because of their birthday?!

Interesting.

What are your child's target schools? Easy money if you child has your common sense.

Duh smart guy. All college coachs care about is the year players graduate. When theres a player thats graduating year A but playing on a team thats graduating a year later it sets off red flags. Why is this so hard? Nobody wants to recruit a trojan horse that cant play against players their own grade in school.

This is so short-sighted. A top player on a national championship winning team or similar top team who so happens to be in a higher grade but in the correct age group will get recruited. Why not have that player play up? Maybe that next year team is just as good. Besides, that player will play/practice with both older and younger kids throughout their club and HS experience (if they so choose). Their club team is just one aspect of their resume.

By “top” you mean “favorite “ in hindsight 😉😉

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the just reward the loser red shirting families?

The problem solves itself when players playing down a grade dont get recruited.

We'll see -- at least for Arlington.

They are not going to force top team players who are on grade with the rest of the team to play down a grade just because they were born Aug - Dec. Some prefer to go down because their kids are a grade behind and the younger team is better. Some will continue to play on grade.

The question remains only to those who are not on grade and don’t want to go down if the club would listen to the parents or not.

How does this affect my player if they’re born in August–December?

A: These players are most likely to shift age groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the just reward the loser red shirting families?

The problem solves itself when players playing down a grade dont get recruited.

For a girl you can play on age up until junior year then when everybody is past puberty you could bounce up a year if you want but playing up isn't necessary. If the girl played up at a young age they wouldn't be as good, would be less likely to play technical positions, are likely to be on the bench, and get bad coaching. Boys should play on age and only play up if they are amazing. ECNL agrees and said in podcast play on age unless you are amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the just reward the loser red shirting families?

The problem solves itself when players playing down a grade dont get recruited.

We'll see -- at least for Arlington.

They are not going to force top team players who are on grade with the rest of the team to play down a grade just because they were born Aug - Dec. Some prefer to go down because their kids are a grade behind and the younger team is better. Some will continue to play on grade.

The question remains only to those who are not on grade and don’t want to go down if the club would listen to the parents or not.

How does this affect my player if they’re born in August–December?

A: These players are most likely to shift age groups.

True for the other level but not on ECNL teams that kids are on grade.