Boys are not all right

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Anonymous wrote:Probably the hyper focus on sports and not academics.

This. From a very young age, parents are hyper focused on their sons excelling in sports. Academics aren’t prioritized. Add in that boys tend to mature later and learn differently early on and now you have a bunch of boys being over diagnosed with adhd in the med as well. I do believe this is more race and cultural though, rather than gender.

[Anonymous]

Richard Reeves at the Brookings Institute has done a lot of research on this. If you overlay race and socioeconomic data then you find it’s black and Hispanic boys or those who are just poorer who are doing particularly badly. There’s a 3% difference between Asian girls and boys graduating high school on time but almost a 10% difference between black girls and boys.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-unreported-gender-gap-in-high-school-graduation-rates/

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/racial-disparities-in-the-high-school-graduation-gender-gap/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how nasty people are toward boys. These are our sons and your future SIL's.

Yes, it's depressing.

The responses here aren't nasty to boys. They are trying to get people like you to get your heads out of your butts.

Boys are fine. They still run the world. Women are still getting the poop end of the stick.

You two really need to get a frickin grip.

Dear lord, can you feminists really not understand the difference between white boomer men, and young millennial and Gen Z boys?

Yeah, you go tell the young black men getting harassed by cops that they rule the world, or the white teen boy in Appalachia who was orphaned by the opioid epidemic who’s town is dying; that THEY rule the world.

Get out of your feminist UMC bubble.

The first part of this "the difference between white boomer men, and young millennial and Gen Z boys" is a very good point. I think older folks on this board are equating the success and privilege of a small percentage of older, boomer men with all males (old, middle aged and young) and assume that because those people are successful, then all males will be fine. This education gap between girls and boys at all levels is a real issue and eventually it will work its way into the corporate / business / political world. It's just a matter of time. To put a point on this, people used to complain when boys outnumbered girls in college, but that has completely flipped such that girls now outnumber boys in college by greater percentages than boys previously outnumbered girls. It's getting to the point where diversity initiatives in schools should actually be looking to help boys, but it's very hard to do so because historically that's not what diversity initiatives have done. Whenever people start initiatives to help boys, it's shot down in a very similar manner to what's happening in this discussion forum and it's a byproduct of long-held assumptions rather than looking at the data. Inequality is inequality regardless of the identity of the person who happens to be facing the inequality. It's not good for anyone (boy or girl) if one side is dominant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Probably the hyper focus on sports and not academics.

This. From a very young age, parents are hyper focused on their sons excelling in sports. Academics aren’t prioritized. Add in that boys tend to mature later and learn differently early on and now you have a bunch of boys being over diagnosed with adhd in the med as well. I do believe this is more race and cultural though, rather than gender.

I doubt you’ll find a very big gender gap in Bethesda. The data shows it is poorer boys who are not graduating on time and this skews the overall data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how nasty people are toward boys. These are our sons and your future SIL's.

Yes, it's depressing.

The responses here aren't nasty to boys. They are trying to get people like you to get your heads out of your butts.

Boys are fine. They still run the world. Women are still getting the poop end of the stick.

You two really need to get a frickin grip.

Dear lord, can you feminists really not understand the difference between white boomer men, and young millennial and Gen Z boys?

Yeah, you go tell the young black men getting harassed by cops that they rule the world, or the white teen boy in Appalachia who was orphaned by the opioid epidemic who’s town is dying; that THEY rule the world.

Get out of your feminist UMC bubble.

The first part of this "the difference between white boomer men, and young millennial and Gen Z boys" is a very good point. I think older folks on this board are equating the success and privilege of a small percentage of older, boomer men with all males (old, middle aged and young) and assume that because those people are successful, then all males will be fine. This education gap between girls and boys at all levels is a real issue and eventually it will work its way into the corporate / business / political world. It's just a matter of time. To put a point on this, people used to complain when boys outnumbered girls in college, but that has completely flipped such that girls now outnumber boys in college by greater percentages than boys previously outnumbered girls. It's getting to the point where diversity initiatives in schools should actually be looking to help boys, but it's very hard to do so because historically that's not what diversity initiatives have done. Whenever people start initiatives to help boys, it's shot down in a very similar manner to what's happening in this discussion forum and it's a byproduct of long-held assumptions rather than looking at the data. Inequality is inequality regardless of the identity of the person who happens to be facing the inequality. It's not good for anyone (boy or girl) if one side is dominant.

Girls have been outperforming boys in schools since they have been allowed to compete. It hasn't changed workplace dynamics and there is no reason to expect that it will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is a microcosm of why boys are not ok. Women, get your s*** together and quit projecting your insecurities on CHILDREN you human pieces of garbage

The boys aren’t okay? Are they forced to give birth against their will? Do they make less than women for the same amount of work? Girls excelling college doesn’t even matter. Boys are still rewarded for their mediocrity. According to US Gov: “Education is not enough to eliminate the gender wage gap. On average, women have more years of education and are more likely than men to have completed Associate’s, Bachelor’s or Master’s degrees. Yet there is a significant gender wage gap at every level of education. Overall, women must complete one additional degree in order to be paid the same wages as a man with less education.” Oh, your poor boys! https://blog.dol.gov/2023/03/14/5-fast-facts-the-gender-wage-gap#:~:text=Stats.,for%20Black%20and%20Hispanic%20women.

"Your poor boys?" Maybe women are getting too many worthless degrees and should go into more trades like the men if they want to earn more? Why are you making the assumption men are mediocre if they make more money? But also, women get rewarded for mediocrity too. For example, Claudine Gay.

DP. You are too stupid to contribute to this discussion. Worthless degrees? The point is they get paid less when they have the SAME degree and the SAME job.

Come back when you can put together a coherent statement...and that will be never. Buh-bye.

Triggered much? How can they be paid the same when you just pointed out women have MORE degrees? That's not the same degree for the same job. You're comparing apples and oranges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is a microcosm of why boys are not ok. Women, get your s*** together and quit projecting your insecurities on CHILDREN you human pieces of garbage

The boys aren’t okay? Are they forced to give birth against their will? Do they make less than women for the same amount of work? Girls excelling college doesn’t even matter. Boys are still rewarded for their mediocrity. According to US Gov: “Education is not enough to eliminate the gender wage gap. On average, women have more years of education and are more likely than men to have completed Associate’s, Bachelor’s or Master’s degrees. Yet there is a significant gender wage gap at every level of education. Overall, women must complete one additional degree in order to be paid the same wages as a man with less education.” Oh, your poor boys! https://blog.dol.gov/2023/03/14/5-fast-facts-the-gender-wage-gap#:~:text=Stats.,for%20Black%20and%20Hispanic%20women.

"Your poor boys?" Maybe women are getting too many worthless degrees and should go into more trades like the men if they want to earn more? Why are you making the assumption men are mediocre if they make more money? But also, women get rewarded for mediocrity too. For example, Claudine Gay.

DP. You are too stupid to contribute to this discussion. Worthless degrees? The point is they get paid less when they have the SAME degree and the SAME job.

Come back when you can put together a coherent statement...and that will be never. Buh-bye.

Triggered much? How can they be paid the same when you just pointed out women have MORE degrees? That's not the same degree for the same job. You're comparing apples and oranges.

DP. We get triggered because you are either purposely obtuse, or more likely just stupid. Women get paid less for doing exactly the same job. “Breaking those figures down, within-job differences — or pay for jobs that are substantially the same, for the same employer — were smaller than the overall gap yet still substantial. Women make 7% less than their male counterparts doing the same work for the same company in Denmark and France, and 26% less in Japan. For the U.S., the figure was 14%; in Spain, the gap was slightly smaller at 12%.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/iese/2022/12/14/gender-pay-gap-persists-globally-even-for-same-jobs-within-companies/?sh=3b5e11ec12ed.

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Anonymous wrote:Pumping them full of Ritalin and Adderall isn’t helping, when the better thing to do would be to get them off their Xboxes and outside running around.

This is so offensive. My son with adhd doesn’t even own a video game console and spends far more time outside than the average kid. Video games can definitely be a problem for some kids/especially boys and all kids these days need more outdoor time but it’s not necessary to equate this with adhd somehow not being real or not needing medication

Not offensive. Tons are boys are over diagnosed with adhd and tons of boys spend WAY too much time on video games starting from a young age. But they are not mutually exclusive

Heaven forbid parents parent. Like controlling video games time. Good grief.

Girls also spend toxic amounts of time on social media and have tons of body issues related to it. Where are the parents?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is a microcosm of why boys are not ok. Women, get your s*** together and quit projecting your insecurities on CHILDREN you human pieces of garbage

The boys aren’t okay? Are they forced to give birth against their will? Do they make less than women for the same amount of work? Girls excelling college doesn’t even matter. Boys are still rewarded for their mediocrity. According to US Gov: “Education is not enough to eliminate the gender wage gap. On average, women have more years of education and are more likely than men to have completed Associate’s, Bachelor’s or Master’s degrees. Yet there is a significant gender wage gap at every level of education. Overall, women must complete one additional degree in order to be paid the same wages as a man with less education.” Oh, your poor boys! https://blog.dol.gov/2023/03/14/5-fast-facts-the-gender-wage-gap#:~:text=Stats.,for%20Black%20and%20Hispanic%20women.

"Your poor boys?" Maybe women are getting too many worthless degrees and should go into more trades like the men if they want to earn more? Why are you making the assumption men are mediocre if they make more money? But also, women get rewarded for mediocrity too. For example, Claudine Gay.

DP. You are too stupid to contribute to this discussion. Worthless degrees? The point is they get paid less when they have the SAME degree and the SAME job.

Come back when you can put together a coherent statement...and that will be never. Buh-bye.

Triggered much? How can they be paid the same when you just pointed out women have MORE degrees? That's not the same degree for the same job. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Says someone who hasn’t read any of the studies and is fully confident in their opinion in the way that only a mediocre male can be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Probably the hyper focus on sports and not academics.

This. From a very young age, parents are hyper focused on their sons excelling in sports. Academics aren’t prioritized. Add in that boys tend to mature later and learn differently early on and now you have a bunch of boys being over diagnosed with adhd in the med as well. I do believe this is more race and cultural though, rather than gender.

We would probably fit the "hyper-focused" on sports except no travel and no specialization until HS is our plan but being outside and being active is the reason my son can sit and learn. It is also a form of learning.

[Anonymous]

The gender gap in pay is entirely a myth. They've done numerous studies where they actually CONTROLLED for degree, job done, time on the job, and other factors to make more apt comparisons. The gender gap in pay evaporates when you actually do well controlled comparisons.

All of the whining about gender disparities in pay are from crappy studies done a long time ago when they simply compared college educated women to men and looked at salary over a lifetime. Yeah, no crap there's a gap when men got degrees in engineering while women overrepresent themselves in crappy liberal arts degree fields like English, gender studies, sociology, art, or some other fluff degree.

Make equivalent comparisons and control for years of experience and the gap evaporates. It's such a myth that keeps on chugging.

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Anonymous wrote:The gender gap in pay is entirely a myth. They've done numerous studies where they actually CONTROLLED for degree, job done, time on the job, and other factors to make more apt comparisons. The gender gap in pay evaporates when you actually do well controlled comparisons.

All of the whining about gender disparities in pay are from crappy studies done a long time ago when they simply compared college educated women to men and looked at salary over a lifetime. Yeah, no crap there's a gap when men got degrees in engineering while women overrepresent themselves in crappy liberal arts degree fields like English, gender studies, sociology, art, or some other fluff degree.

Make equivalent comparisons and control for years of experience and the gap evaporates. It's such a myth that keeps on chugging.

Post them or shut up.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is a microcosm of why boys are not ok. Women, get your s*** together and quit projecting your insecurities on CHILDREN you human pieces of garbage

The boys aren’t okay? Are they forced to give birth against their will? Do they make less than women for the same amount of work? Girls excelling college doesn’t even matter. Boys are still rewarded for their mediocrity. According to US Gov: “Education is not enough to eliminate the gender wage gap. On average, women have more years of education and are more likely than men to have completed Associate’s, Bachelor’s or Master’s degrees. Yet there is a significant gender wage gap at every level of education. Overall, women must complete one additional degree in order to be paid the same wages as a man with less education.” Oh, your poor boys! https://blog.dol.gov/2023/03/14/5-fast-facts-the-gender-wage-gap#:~:text=Stats.,for%20Black%20and%20Hispanic%20women.

"Your poor boys?" Maybe women are getting too many worthless degrees and should go into more trades like the men if they want to earn more? Why are you making the assumption men are mediocre if they make more money? But also, women get rewarded for mediocrity too. For example, Claudine Gay.

DP. You are too stupid to contribute to this discussion. Worthless degrees? The point is they get paid less when they have the SAME degree and the SAME job.

Come back when you can put together a coherent statement...and that will be never. Buh-bye.

Triggered much? How can they be paid the same when you just pointed out women have MORE degrees? That's not the same degree for the same job. You're comparing apples and oranges.

DP. We get triggered because you are either purposely obtuse, or more likely just stupid. Women get paid less for doing exactly the same job. “Breaking those figures down, within-job differences — or pay for jobs that are substantially the same, for the same employer — were smaller than the overall gap yet still substantial. Women make 7% less than their male counterparts doing the same work for the same company in Denmark and France, and 26% less in Japan. For the U.S., the figure was 14%; in Spain, the gap was slightly smaller at 12%.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/iese/2022/12/14/gender-pay-gap-persists-globally-even-for-same-jobs-within-companies/?sh=3b5e11ec12ed.

No details about the research are provided here. How did the years of prior experience compare? Managerial experience? Performance reviews?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is a microcosm of why boys are not ok. Women, get your s*** together and quit projecting your insecurities on CHILDREN you human pieces of garbage

The boys aren’t okay? Are they forced to give birth against their will? Do they make less than women for the same amount of work? Girls excelling college doesn’t even matter. Boys are still rewarded for their mediocrity. According to US Gov: “Education is not enough to eliminate the gender wage gap. On average, women have more years of education and are more likely than men to have completed Associate’s, Bachelor’s or Master’s degrees. Yet there is a significant gender wage gap at every level of education. Overall, women must complete one additional degree in order to be paid the same wages as a man with less education.” Oh, your poor boys! https://blog.dol.gov/2023/03/14/5-fast-facts-the-gender-wage-gap#:~:text=Stats.,for%20Black%20and%20Hispanic%20women.

"Your poor boys?" Maybe women are getting too many worthless degrees and should go into more trades like the men if they want to earn more? Why are you making the assumption men are mediocre if they make more money? But also, women get rewarded for mediocrity too. For example, Claudine Gay.

DP. You are too stupid to contribute to this discussion. Worthless degrees? The point is they get paid less when they have the SAME degree and the SAME job.

Come back when you can put together a coherent statement...and that will be never. Buh-bye.

Triggered much? How can they be paid the same when you just pointed out women have MORE degrees? That's not the same degree for the same job. You're comparing apples and oranges.

DP. We get triggered because you are either purposely obtuse, or more likely just stupid. Women get paid less for doing exactly the same job. “Breaking those figures down, within-job differences — or pay for jobs that are substantially the same, for the same employer — were smaller than the overall gap yet still substantial. Women make 7% less than their male counterparts doing the same work for the same company in Denmark and France, and 26% less in Japan. For the U.S., the figure was 14%; in Spain, the gap was slightly smaller at 12%.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/iese/2022/12/14/gender-pay-gap-persists-globally-even-for-same-jobs-within-companies/?sh=3b5e11ec12ed.

Not true among younger workers. You're stuck in an ancient mindset comparing boomers to everyone else. Boomer men have nothing to do with young men today, which is what we're talking about. The girls are doing alright.

"In fact, in 22 of 250 U.S. metropolitan areas, women under the age of 30 earn the same amount as or more than their male counterparts"

"In both the New York and Washington metro areas, young women earn 102% of what young men earn when examining median annual earnings among full-time, year-round workers. In the Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim metro area, the median earnings for women and men in this age group were identical in 2019."

Where a gap persists they found men are working more hours than women, thus earning more.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is a microcosm of why boys are not ok. Women, get your s*** together and quit projecting your insecurities on CHILDREN you human pieces of garbage

The boys aren’t okay? Are they forced to give birth against their will? Do they make less than women for the same amount of work? Girls excelling college doesn’t even matter. Boys are still rewarded for their mediocrity. According to US Gov: “Education is not enough to eliminate the gender wage gap. On average, women have more years of education and are more likely than men to have completed Associate’s, Bachelor’s or Master’s degrees. Yet there is a significant gender wage gap at every level of education. Overall, women must complete one additional degree in order to be paid the same wages as a man with less education.” Oh, your poor boys! https://blog.dol.gov/2023/03/14/5-fast-facts-the-gender-wage-gap#:~:text=Stats.,for%20Black%20and%20Hispanic%20women.

"Your poor boys?" Maybe women are getting too many worthless degrees and should go into more trades like the men if they want to earn more? Why are you making the assumption men are mediocre if they make more money? But also, women get rewarded for mediocrity too. For example, Claudine Gay.

DP. You are too stupid to contribute to this discussion. Worthless degrees? The point is they get paid less when they have the SAME degree and the SAME job.

Come back when you can put together a coherent statement...and that will be never. Buh-bye.

Triggered much? How can they be paid the same when you just pointed out women have MORE degrees? That's not the same degree for the same job. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Says someone who hasn’t read any of the studies and is fully confident in their opinion in the way that only a mediocre male can be.

Says someone who hasn't kept up with recent data.