US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:States of California and Michigan had already banned use of race in college admissions decisions.

And between them have the top 3 Public universities that are a way above the rest!

Speaking for California, it’s incredibly diverse despite not considering race. White population is very small at UCLA and Berkeley especially. So they have successfully used Personal Interest Q’s, zip codes, and first gen as proxies for ethnicities and race, and other colleges will learn to as well.

Posters are correct - not much will change. Colleges will just have to adjust their strategy.

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Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

However, unlike many on this board kept arrogantly asserting, the end of Roberts' opinion clearly specifies that universities MAY NOT use essays or any other soft means to set up essentially the same system in effect today. That means they cannot use a "back door" to still discriminate via soft methods. So, sorry racist people on DCUM, your dreams are shattered lol

The above arrogant poster is wrong.

Applicants can still write about how their race affected them as an individual in their college app essays.

as long as colleges don't explicitly document that race is why the application went into the "acceptance" pile, this is how they will get around it.

The documentation is already there: GPAs, course rigor and test scores (where applicable) if the white and Asian kids also have clubs, sports, leadership: hello lawsuits.

Actually read Roberts’ opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

However, unlike many on this board kept arrogantly asserting, the end of Roberts' opinion clearly specifies that universities MAY NOT use essays or any other soft means to set up essentially the same system in effect today. That means they cannot use a "back door" to still discriminate via soft methods. So, sorry racist people on DCUM, your dreams are shattered lol

The above arrogant poster is wrong.

Applicants can still write about how their race affected them as an individual in their college app essays.

Students are free to discuss how race affected his or her life. However, the SCOTUS emphasis is, "despite the dissent's assertion to the contrary, universities may not... establish ... the regime we hold unlawful today."
So, there.

LOl ! Wow ! You really need to read the opinion before posting incorrect information. So there !

I was lifting from the opinion. It's a cut and paste of what the court ruled this morning. I didn't write the opinion.

Since you responded politely, I will do likewise.

OP here: Race can still be a factor/consideration in admitting an individual applicant if, for example, the applicant writes an essay detailing how that applicants race affected his or her life.

Race cannot be used to admit groups or percentages of students--but individual circumstances may still include considerations of low income, first generation, and how an applicant's race affected his or her life.

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Anonymous wrote:From Columbia University:

"higher education will take five years to fully adjust to the new legal landscape, as committees and task forces—already in place at many schools—explore ways to employ income levels, socioeconomic factors and other race-neutral factors to maintain diversity."

Folks...us white people are the winners. Do you think the group that brought the cases to the Supreme Court care about Asians?

doesn't matter what you think. getting rid of AA will give Asian students (more) equal chances to be admitted. If white students are better, they deserve it.

Not exactly. Going forward, Asian students will no longer benefit from what is currently a very strong URM advantage at top 20 SLACs and underrepresented Asian subgroups (e.g., from Myanmar) will no longer have a URM hook at Ivies.

The lawsuits were brought by a white supremacist legal organization, so the idea that Asians were ever in a position to gain something meaningful is frankly preposterous. The American right-wing, filled as it is with anti-Asian bigots, stoked anger among Asian-American parents and students as a way of entrenching white privilege. Facts.

I’m pretty sure those are not “facts.”

They are, though. If you think elite institutions are suddenly going to become majority Asian, you're kidding yourself, because this country is too damn racist for that, too.

US is 7% Asian.

Harvard is 30% Asian
MIT is 40% Asian

This ruling will apply upward pressure on those numbers.

This actually helps Asian Americans.

I’m white- and it is good. Hopkins is a majority Asian. They deserve to be there. I’m fine with merit-based competition. I just wish test scores were mandatory too.

+1 and essays should be written under supervision at testing centers so they are verified to actually be that student's work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what Harvard is going to do now!

Start writing checks to all of the plaintiffs for one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

However, unlike many on this board kept arrogantly asserting, the end of Roberts' opinion clearly specifies that universities MAY NOT use essays or any other soft means to set up essentially the same system in effect today. That means they cannot use a "back door" to still discriminate via soft methods. So, sorry racist people on DCUM, your dreams are shattered lol

The above arrogant poster is wrong.

Applicants can still write about how their race affected them as an individual in their college app essays.

as long as colleges don't explicitly document that race is why the application went into the "acceptance" pile, this is how they will get around it.

the admission committeee will insruct the underpaid AOs to secretly discriminate on races with some secret codes?

Good luck.

Hopefully can’t get it together by next admissions cycle 🤞

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, does this mean I can lie about race on college applications (or falsely imply in an essay that I'm a particular race)? This way if the college has a backdoor program, I'll benefit but since it's an illegal criteria, I can't be penalized if the college finds out, right?

There will be all sorts of consultants popping up to help applicants integrate race (real or imagined) into their application

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Anonymous wrote:From Columbia University:

"higher education will take five years to fully adjust to the new legal landscape, as committees and task forces—already in place at many schools—explore ways to employ income levels, socioeconomic factors and other race-neutral factors to maintain diversity."

Folks...us white people are the winners. Do you think the group that brought the cases to the Supreme Court care about Asians?

doesn't matter what you think. getting rid of AA will give Asian students (more) equal chances to be admitted. If white students are better, they deserve it.

Not exactly. Going forward, Asian students will no longer benefit from what is currently a very strong URM advantage at top 20 SLACs and underrepresented Asian subgroups (e.g., from Myanmar) will no longer have a URM hook at Ivies.

The lawsuits were brought by a white supremacist legal organization, so the idea that Asians were ever in a position to gain something meaningful is frankly preposterous. The American right-wing, filled as it is with anti-Asian bigots, stoked anger among Asian-American parents and students as a way of entrenching white privilege. Facts.

I’m pretty sure those are not “facts.”

They are, though. If you think elite institutions are suddenly going to become majority Asian, you're kidding yourself, because this country is too damn racist for that, too.

US is 7% Asian.

Harvard is 30% Asian
MIT is 40% Asian

This ruling will apply upward pressure on those numbers.

This actually helps Asian Americans.

I’m white- and it is good. Hopkins is a majority Asian. They deserve to be there. I’m fine with merit-based competition. I just wish test scores were mandatory too.

+1 and essays should be written under supervision at testing centers so they are verified to actually be that student's work.

Pp here. Yes! My kids are now required to write their essays in class. Due to chatGPT as well

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Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

Dealing with people like you who presume I don't deserve to be in the rooms I am in (T10 university, Big 4 consulting, vacations to the same Robb Report gems) is exhausting. But keep smiling and acting like no one can see through you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

I agree applicants will still talk about their background in the essays. What is the point of the essays if it isn't to take advantage of the biases of the admission officers? It definitely isn't to evaluate writing skills.

My kid wrote that several times people asked which African country he was from, at an early age feeling the need to lie that their dad played pro football, That parent attended HBCU, visiting the AA museum with grandparents for first time.

They weren't going for the tip top school either way, but know that If colleges want a diverse cohort, they will be able to do that. Holistic admission is subjective. They don't need to point to one thing. But this is what they do today... so I predict no real change.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand some of you. Are you upset that Supreme Court overturned a racist law?

This co-opting of the term "racist" is disingenuous. Did you read SC Justice Brown's dissent? There are reasonable disagreements with affirmative action (as well as reasonable justifications for it), but higher education is an important tool in addressing systemic racism in our society that disproportionately affects Black families given the history of slavery, Jim Crow laws and their residual effects in so many ways in present society (disproportionate policing and sentencing for similar crimes is just one example), but also impacts other URMs. Systemic racism will be harder to address without the types of affirmative action policies colleges developed.

So you think it was fair that Brown's kids would have gotten a bump based on race while a white or asian janitor's kid would be dinged for their race?

The janitor's would have gotten a bigger bump based on their income status. But also no matter how rich Brown's kids are--they are still more likely to be stopped by the police, monitored in every store they go into, etc. Racism affects every day life for Black people in this country in a very dramatic way--no matter how rich they are.

Who the @#^&$# is Brown?

SC Justice Ketanji Brown who wrote the dissenting opinion on the case we are discussing.

Colorblind-struck much?

Her last name is Jackson….

[Anonymous]

Will the race box be taken off of the common app ??!?!??!!

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that this helps poor, rural whites. SC decision deplored admitting affluent blacks as a way to increase black enrollment. Kids of all races attending great schools in large MSAs are f*cked.

Where does everyone think this enormous pool of financial aid for poor rural and first gen students is coming from? Sure the Ivys and a few other select schools can afford it, but the majority of colleges need tuition paying students. I guess the most valuable students will shift from full pay URMs to full pay rural and first gen

Endowments, Federal Pell Grants, and maybe some schools going European style, and cutting down on the country club campuses and lowering tuition.

Pell grants pay almost nothing and Swarthmore isn't going to neglect it's landscaping any time soon

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Anonymous wrote:What a historical term under President Biden! Roe v wade and now affirmative action?! And guess what’s next - student loan payments start up again. Democrats got everything they voted for, and more!

Do you know nothing about the Supreme Court? This is all because of the Trump appointees and failure of Obama administration to appoint late term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what Harvard is going to do now!

I think, after 387 years of existence and $50 billion in endowment, it will survive.

Not only that, it will continue to graduate a diverse population of scholars.

Here, here! Fair Harvard holds sway.