Man killed in Tyson’s Corner shooting

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Anonymous wrote:I think that if anyone has a violent criminal history, and are in process of committing any crime, it is very reasonable to assume they have a weapon on them (even if they do not). Therefore, I think appropriate policy would be to allow the shooting of any violent criminal in commission of a crime.

1) We only know the victim had a "violent criminal history" because the cops said so. It's not clear yet what that history is.

2) We don't know yet whether the officers who pursued him on foot knew his criminal history when they started pursuing him.

3) Shoplifting plastic "designer" sunglasses is not a violent crime.

4) Human beings should not be executed by police for stealing without the benefit of due process. White collar criminals certainly aren't.

Fastest way to get shot by police is to run when they tell you to stop. Yet criminals do it anyways. Why?

Because they're afraid?

Or because they had just tried to rob a store at Tysons in the middle of operating hours with plenty of patrons and witnesses present and he knew it was a dangerous, violent crime for which eh would get jail time?
This guy was no saint, and his presence in society will not be missed. I dare say that we are safer for it.

He wasn't "trying to rob a store". He shoplifted sunglasses. Shoplifting is not a dangerous violent crime.

It is when it is aggravated. he could've purchased the item. Or not stolen it. Or gotten a job? Jesus, there are 100000 other options he could've tried. But he didn't because he opted for the criminal route.
Sorry, I cannot feel sorry for criminals. There are so many more decent humans worthy of sympathy. This guy was not one of them.

So you are in favor of anyone who shoplift being immediately killed by police right?

You guys make weird jumps. This guy is a known criminal. He tried to evade arrest and escape police. He was shot in the process. If he had cooperated, he would not be dead. He should've done that. But, he made his choices so I cannot feel sorry for him.

You PPs need to learn the concept of consequences for one's actions. Things didn't happen to him, he made his choices. And he paid for it. Oh, well.

For the 100th time, the consequences for shoplifting and running away from cops should not be death.

For the 100th time, follow the f g law, don't steel and put yourself in that situation and you will not be shot to death. Just something for you to wrap your little head around. We cannot be a functioning civilization when our laws are not enforced and followed. Then again if he did this in the Middle East they would chop his hands off, perhaps you prefer that level of punishment? At least he'd be alive. The point is he should not have stolen, period.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that if anyone has a violent criminal history, and are in process of committing any crime, it is very reasonable to assume they have a weapon on them (even if they do not). Therefore, I think appropriate policy would be to allow the shooting of any violent criminal in commission of a crime.

1) We only know the victim had a "violent criminal history" because the cops said so. It's not clear yet what that history is.

2) We don't know yet whether the officers who pursued him on foot knew his criminal history when they started pursuing him.

3) Shoplifting plastic "designer" sunglasses is not a violent crime.

4) Human beings should not be executed by police for stealing without the benefit of due process. White collar criminals certainly aren't.

Fastest way to get shot by police is to run when they tell you to stop. Yet criminals do it anyways. Why?

Because they're afraid?

Or because they had just tried to rob a store at Tysons in the middle of operating hours with plenty of patrons and witnesses present and he knew it was a dangerous, violent crime for which eh would get jail time?
This guy was no saint, and his presence in society will not be missed. I dare say that we are safer for it.

He wasn't "trying to rob a store". He shoplifted sunglasses. Shoplifting is not a dangerous violent crime.

It is when it is aggravated. he could've purchased the item. Or not stolen it. Or gotten a job? Jesus, there are 100000 other options he could've tried. But he didn't because he opted for the criminal route.
Sorry, I cannot feel sorry for criminals. There are so many more decent humans worthy of sympathy. This guy was not one of them.

So you are in favor of anyone who shoplift being immediately killed by police right?

You guys make weird jumps. This guy is a known criminal. He tried to evade arrest and escape police. He was shot in the process. If he had cooperated, he would not be dead. He should've done that. But, he made his choices so I cannot feel sorry for him.

You PPs need to learn the concept of consequences for one's actions. Things didn't happen to him, he made his choices. And he paid for it. Oh, well.

For the 100th time, the consequences for shoplifting and running away from cops should not be death.

For the 100th time, follow the f g law, don't steel and put yourself in that situation and you will not be shot to death. Just something for you to wrap your little head around. We cannot be a functioning civilization when our laws are not enforced and followed. Then again if he did this in the Middle East they would chop his hands off, perhaps you prefer that level of punishment? At least he'd be alive. The point is he should not have stolen, period.

Good points. Also, follow the instructions of the police. Don’t run. And, don’t turn a weapon on the police!

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Anonymous wrote:Good points. Also, follow the instructions of the police. Don’t run. And, don’t turn a weapon on the police!

We don't know if the victim had a weapon. You'd think FFX police would have mentioned that by now.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that if anyone has a violent criminal history, and are in process of committing any crime, it is very reasonable to assume they have a weapon on them (even if they do not). Therefore, I think appropriate policy would be to allow the shooting of any violent criminal in commission of a crime.

1) We only know the victim had a "violent criminal history" because the cops said so. It's not clear yet what that history is.

2) We don't know yet whether the officers who pursued him on foot knew his criminal history when they started pursuing him.

3) Shoplifting plastic "designer" sunglasses is not a violent crime.

4) Human beings should not be executed by police for stealing without the benefit of due process. White collar criminals certainly aren't.

Fastest way to get shot by police is to run when they tell you to stop. Yet criminals do it anyways. Why?

Because they're afraid?

Or because they had just tried to rob a store at Tysons in the middle of operating hours with plenty of patrons and witnesses present and he knew it was a dangerous, violent crime for which eh would get jail time?
This guy was no saint, and his presence in society will not be missed. I dare say that we are safer for it.

He wasn't "trying to rob a store". He shoplifted sunglasses. Shoplifting is not a dangerous violent crime.

It is when it is aggravated. he could've purchased the item. Or not stolen it. Or gotten a job? Jesus, there are 100000 other options he could've tried. But he didn't because he opted for the criminal route.
Sorry, I cannot feel sorry for criminals. There are so many more decent humans worthy of sympathy. This guy was not one of them.

So you are in favor of anyone who shoplift being immediately killed by police right?

You guys make weird jumps. This guy is a known criminal. He tried to evade arrest and escape police. He was shot in the process. If he had cooperated, he would not be dead. He should've done that. But, he made his choices so I cannot feel sorry for him.

You PPs need to learn the concept of consequences for one's actions. Things didn't happen to him, he made his choices. And he paid for it. Oh, well.

For the 100th time, the consequences for shoplifting and running away from cops should not be death.

For the 100th time, follow the f g law, don't steel and put yourself in that situation and you will not be shot to death. Just something for you to wrap your little head around. We cannot be a functioning civilization when our laws are not enforced and followed. Then again if he did this in the Middle East they would chop his hands off, perhaps you prefer that level of punishment? At least he'd be alive. The point is he should not have stolen, period.

I don't care about what you think or feel about this. Let's see what actual Virginia law says about fleeing from an LEO, shall we? In VA, the penalty for "Obstructing justice; resisting arrest; fleeing from a law-enforcement officer" is being found guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. Where does is it say the penalty is death?

§ 18.2-460. Obstructing justice; resisting arrest; fleeing from a law-enforcement officer; penalties.
A. If any person without just cause knowingly obstructs a judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, any law-enforcement officer, or animal control officer employed pursuant to § 3.2-6555 in the performance of his duties as such or fails or refuses without just cause to cease such obstruction when requested to do so by such judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, law-enforcement officer, or animal control officer employed pursuant to § 3.2-6555, he is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

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Anonymous wrote:For the 100th time, follow the f g law, don't steel and put yourself in that situation and you will not be shot to death. Just something for you to wrap your little head around. We cannot be a functioning civilization when our laws are not enforced and followed. Then again if he did this in the Middle East they would chop his hands off, perhaps you prefer that level of punishment? At least he'd be alive. The point is he should not have stolen, period.

This makes me LOL because that's exactly what you are promoting: Draconian Middle Eastern approaches to minor property crimes. We don't murder shoplifters in the US. Or at least we shouldn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Good points. Also, follow the instructions of the police. Don’t run. And, don’t turn a weapon on the police!

We don't know if the victim had a weapon. You'd think FFX police would have mentioned that by now.

They announced that there was “no evidence of a weapon”

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The police had their eye on him and chased him out of the store, across the store, and into the woods. Either they were having a very bad day and took it out on him or really thought he was armed and dangerous. Wonder what the tox results will be?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good points. Also, follow the instructions of the police. Don’t run. And, don’t turn a weapon on the police!

We don't know if the victim had a weapon. You'd think FFX police would have mentioned that by now.

They announced that there was “no evidence of a weapon”

Sadly, it doesn't seem to matter if there is a weapon or not. The police just have to say they think they saw a weapon or that they somehow felt threatened. That's what I predict they will say if a weapon is not found.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that if anyone has a violent criminal history, and are in process of committing any crime, it is very reasonable to assume they have a weapon on them (even if they do not). Therefore, I think appropriate policy would be to allow the shooting of any violent criminal in commission of a crime.

1) We only know the victim had a "violent criminal history" because the cops said so. It's not clear yet what that history is.

2) We don't know yet whether the officers who pursued him on foot knew his criminal history when they started pursuing him.

3) Shoplifting plastic "designer" sunglasses is not a violent crime.

4) Human beings should not be executed by police for stealing without the benefit of due process. White collar criminals certainly aren't.

Fastest way to get shot by police is to run when they tell you to stop. Yet criminals do it anyways. Why?

Because they're afraid?

Or because they had just tried to rob a store at Tysons in the middle of operating hours with plenty of patrons and witnesses present and he knew it was a dangerous, violent crime for which eh would get jail time?
This guy was no saint, and his presence in society will not be missed. I dare say that we are safer for it.

He wasn't "trying to rob a store". He shoplifted sunglasses. Shoplifting is not a dangerous violent crime.

It is when it is aggravated. he could've purchased the item. Or not stolen it. Or gotten a job? Jesus, there are 100000 other options he could've tried. But he didn't because he opted for the criminal route.
Sorry, I cannot feel sorry for criminals. There are so many more decent humans worthy of sympathy. This guy was not one of them.

So you are in favor of anyone who shoplift being immediately killed by police right?

You guys make weird jumps. This guy is a known criminal. He tried to evade arrest and escape police. He was shot in the process. If he had cooperated, he would not be dead. He should've done that. But, he made his choices so I cannot feel sorry for him.

You PPs need to learn the concept of consequences for one's actions. Things didn't happen to him, he made his choices. And he paid for it. Oh, well.

For the 100th time, the consequences for shoplifting and running away from cops should not be death.

For the 100th time, follow the f g law, don't steel and put yourself in that situation and you will not be shot to death. Just something for you to wrap your little head around. We cannot be a functioning civilization when our laws are not enforced and followed. Then again if he did this in the Middle East they would chop his hands off, perhaps you prefer that level of punishment? At least he'd be alive. The point is he should not have stolen, period.

I don't care about what you think or feel about this. Let's see what actual Virginia law says about fleeing from an LEO, shall we? In VA, the penalty for "Obstructing justice; resisting arrest; fleeing from a law-enforcement officer" is being found guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. Where does is it say the penalty is death?

§ 18.2-460. Obstructing justice; resisting arrest; fleeing from a law-enforcement officer; penalties.
A. If any person without just cause knowingly obstructs a judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, any law-enforcement officer, or animal control officer employed pursuant to § 3.2-6555 in the performance of his duties as such or fails or refuses without just cause to cease such obstruction when requested to do so by such judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, law-enforcement officer, or animal control officer employed pursuant to § 3.2-6555, he is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

Counselor, that is a bad-faith argument (but you knew that).

Everyone else:

- do not threaten the life of a police officer, and it is extremely unlikely you’ll be shot.

Many here want to jump to conclusions without the trier of fact having made their findings.

For the sake of argument, I’m entitled to make the same conclusions. This suspect ignored repeated police commands and fled into a dark area. Then he threatened the life of the officers by pointing a weapon (real or fake, it does not matter), at the police.

The body cam footage will corroborate these facts.

I have just as much or more evidence to support my factual conclusion as PP has for her ridiculous and untrue assertion: “he received the death penalty for a misdemeanor.”

Is it really too much to ask of the public: do not point weapons at the police?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good points. Also, follow the instructions of the police. Don’t run. And, don’t turn a weapon on the police!

We don't know if the victim had a weapon. You'd think FFX police would have mentioned that by now.

They announced that there was “no evidence of a weapon”

Sadly, it doesn't seem to matter if there is a weapon or not. The police just have to say they think they saw a weapon or that they somehow felt threatened. That's what I predict they will say if a weapon is not found.

Both police officers shot him. This suggests that they were simultaneously reflexively responding to some type of movement he made or action he took. This was not one random officer who lost his cool or was out to shoot someone. It was two people who felt that the situation merited the same response. I support our fairfax police and the rest of you can crawl back into your slum hole in DC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good points. Also, follow the instructions of the police. Don’t run. And, don’t turn a weapon on the police!

We don't know if the victim had a weapon. You'd think FFX police would have mentioned that by now.

They announced that there was “no evidence of a weapon”

Sadly, it doesn't seem to matter if there is a weapon or not. The police just have to say they think they saw a weapon or that they somehow felt threatened. That's what I predict they will say if a weapon is not found.

Both police officers shot him. This suggests that they were simultaneously reflexively responding to some type of movement he made or action he took. This was not one random officer who lost his cool or was out to shoot someone. It was two people who felt that the situation merited the same response. I support our fairfax police and the rest of you can crawl back into your slum hole in DC.

I wish the criminals would stay in DC, as well, and stop metroing out to Tysons. If you guys want them, please keep them!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good points. Also, follow the instructions of the police. Don’t run. And, don’t turn a weapon on the police!

We don't know if the victim had a weapon. You'd think FFX police would have mentioned that by now.

They announced that there was “no evidence of a weapon”[/quote

DP. Here is the link to the news story reporting that no weapon was found.

Police: No weapon found after officers shoot, kill man outside Tysons Corner Mall
After days of searching a wooded area, police confirmed no weapon was found after officers shot and killed a man accused of shoplifting a pair of sunglasses.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/police/police-no-weapon-found-officers-shot-kill-man-outside-tysons-corner-mall/65-28c10742-cdfc-4e4d-9e57-4a02483be992

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think that if anyone has a violent criminal history, and are in process of committing any crime, it is very reasonable to assume they have a weapon on them (even if they do not). Therefore, I think appropriate policy would be to allow the shooting of any violent criminal in commission of a crime.

1) We only know the victim had a "violent criminal history" because the cops said so. It's not clear yet what that history is.

2) We don't know yet whether the officers who pursued him on foot knew his criminal history when they started pursuing him.

3) Shoplifting plastic "designer" sunglasses is not a violent crime.

4) Human beings should not be executed by police for stealing without the benefit of due process. White collar criminals certainly aren't.

Fastest way to get shot by police is to run when they tell you to stop. Yet criminals do it anyways. Why?

Because they're afraid?

Or because they had just tried to rob a store at Tysons in the middle of operating hours with plenty of patrons and witnesses present and he knew it was a dangerous, violent crime for which eh would get jail time?
This guy was no saint, and his presence in society will not be missed. I dare say that we are safer for it.

He wasn't "trying to rob a store". He shoplifted sunglasses. Shoplifting is not a dangerous violent crime.

It is when it is aggravated. he could've purchased the item. Or not stolen it. Or gotten a job? Jesus, there are 100000 other options he could've tried. But he didn't because he opted for the criminal route.
Sorry, I cannot feel sorry for criminals. There are so many more decent humans worthy of sympathy. This guy was not one of them.

So you are in favor of anyone who shoplift being immediately killed by police right?

You guys make weird jumps. This guy is a known criminal. He tried to evade arrest and escape police. He was shot in the process. If he had cooperated, he would not be dead. He should've done that. But, he made his choices so I cannot feel sorry for him.

You PPs need to learn the concept of consequences for one's actions. Things didn't happen to him, he made his choices. And he paid for it. Oh, well.

For the 100th time, the consequences for shoplifting and running away from cops should not be death.

For the 100th time, follow the f g law, don't steel and put yourself in that situation and you will not be shot to death. Just something for you to wrap your little head around. We cannot be a functioning civilization when our laws are not enforced and followed. Then again if he did this in the Middle East they would chop his hands off, perhaps you prefer that level of punishment? At least he'd be alive. The point is he should not have stolen, period.

I don't care about what you think or feel about this. Let's see what actual Virginia law says about fleeing from an LEO, shall we? In VA, the penalty for "Obstructing justice; resisting arrest; fleeing from a law-enforcement officer" is being found guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. Where does is it say the penalty is death?

§ 18.2-460. Obstructing justice; resisting arrest; fleeing from a law-enforcement officer; penalties.
A. If any person without just cause knowingly obstructs a judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, any law-enforcement officer, or animal control officer employed pursuant to § 3.2-6555 in the performance of his duties as such or fails or refuses without just cause to cease such obstruction when requested to do so by such judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, law-enforcement officer, or animal control officer employed pursuant to § 3.2-6555, he is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

Counselor, that is a bad-faith argument (but you knew that).

Everyone else:

- do not threaten the life of a police officer, and it is extremely unlikely you’ll be shot.

Many here want to jump to conclusions without the trier of fact having made their findings.

For the sake of argument, I’m entitled to make the same conclusions. This suspect ignored repeated police commands and fled into a dark area. Then he threatened the life of the officers by pointing a weapon (real or fake, it does not matter), at the police.

The body cam footage will corroborate these facts.

I have just as much or more evidence to support my factual conclusion as PP has for her ridiculous and untrue assertion: “he received the death penalty for a misdemeanor.”

Is it really too much to ask of the public: do not point weapons at the police?

See above link to latest news. There was no weapon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good points. Also, follow the instructions of the police. Don’t run. And, don’t turn a weapon on the police!

We don't know if the victim had a weapon. You'd think FFX police would have mentioned that by now.

They announced that there was “no evidence of a weapon”

Sadly, it doesn't seem to matter if there is a weapon or not. The police just have to say they think they saw a weapon or that they somehow felt threatened. That's what I predict they will say if a weapon is not found.

Both police officers shot him. This suggests that they were simultaneously reflexively responding to some type of movement he made or action he took. This was not one random officer who lost his cool or was out to shoot someone. It was two people who felt that the situation merited the same response. I support our fairfax police and the rest of you can crawl back into your slum hole in DC.

I live in Fairfax Co. and I support the police officers too (including with my tax dollars), but I don't support escalating things to the point where someone gets shot over stealing a pair of sunglasses.

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Both police officers shot him. This suggests that they were simultaneously reflexively responding to some type of movement he made or action he took. This was not one random officer who lost his cool or was out to shoot someone. It was two people who felt that the situation merited the same response. I support our fairfax police and the rest of you can crawl back into your slum hole in DC.

Seems like if he had a gun, FFX police would have mentioned that already. Just face it: FFX police fu<ked up big time and they're trying to blame it on the victim and get their stories straight.