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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What part of Kimmel's statement is factually incorrect. Is it not true that MAGA is saying the killer is not MAGA?

On the off chance that you are truly asking for clarity, this was not what was said or HOW it was said at all. It’s the disdain and callousness of his framing with the setup of “new lows” in “desperately trying to characterize” the killer as non-MAGA and the heavy implication that actual grieving was performative.
I fully believe this is his true opinion and he is free to express it.
I also find it unconscionably insensitive, gross, and insulting to those of us who are mourning. And I don’t blame his employer not wanting to be associated with appalling sentiments like that.
A man you don’t like was murdered. Murdered.
Something is wrong with you if you can’t understand why “MAGA” would be grieved by this. But more importantly, you display a lack of humanity when you mock it.

Do you not remember Trump mocking Paul Pelosi being attacked in his own home with a hammer and his rally crowds laughing? Not once but over and over again. And on social media. Talk about lack of humanity. What Kimmel said isn’t even on the same scale as the abject cruelty displayed by Trump and many of his supporters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Charlie Kirk worship is bordering on idolatry.

Fringe activity. The vast majority of Americans had no idea who he was before last week. Only a very small proportion are enamored with him. And they, like he, are not good people. When people read or hear what Kirk said, they are understandably repelled, even if they are horrified by his murder. But it’s not like Charlie Kirk was adored by all or even well-regarded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This, as yet another example of firing behavior this week, should scare the $#!++ out of everyone. It should really affect everyone that comedians, news outlets, pundits, teachers, nurses, corporate workers are losing their jobs. It should scare you to death that people are being kidnapped in courthouses, at work, and on the street. It should scare you that research is being pulled and replaced, that history of slavery is being tossed out.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED to fully understand what is happening here?

It’s all in how you frame it.
Our Worldviews are completely different.
When a person publicly takes delight in another person’s murder just because they don’t like his message or don’t agree with his politics, employers don’t really appreciate being associated with them, because that person seems unstable and employers don’t want to lose business or alienate consumers and will worry that customers/consumers will think that your views represent the company’s stance. Most companies have a morality clause or some kind of PR clause where you agree not to engage in conduct that embarrassed the company. It’s at-will employment.

No one is being jailed here for their speech. (Unless democrats succeed in continuing to push the idea of “hate speech” being a special type of speech that isn’t protected under the first amendment—which is total BS-ALL speech should be protected and congress should not be allowed to make any laws to abridge your speech!)

The “kidnapping” thing is just fear-mongering. You know if you are here illegally or not.

Kimmel wasn't fired because ABC or the parent company were unhappy with what he said. And he wasn't taking delight in Kirk's death, at all, but was criticizing the way MAGA-ites have been using it for political gain. Yes he was wrong about the political affiliation of the shooter. But he's a comedian, not a news anchor, and he didn't assert it as an unassailable fact.

Kimmel was fired because Trump and his administration threatened the network with consequences if Kimmel was left on air. That's a government action, improperly using federal power to influence the personnel issues of a corporate entity because they didn't like the way someone at that company exercised their constitutional protected right to free speech. It's not okay.

Yes - how are so many missing this? And the owner of many stations who first announced it would pull Kimmel from its affiliate stations has a pending acquisition that needs government approval for. Just like CBS canning Colbert to curry favor to get the paramount acquisition through. Government fingerprints are all over this and it’s not okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What part of Kimmel's statement is factually incorrect. Is it not true that MAGA is saying the killer is not MAGA?

On the off chance that you are truly asking for clarity, this was not what was said or HOW it was said at all. It’s the disdain and callousness of his framing with the setup of “new lows” in “desperately trying to characterize” the killer as non-MAGA and the heavy implication that actual grieving was performative.
I fully believe this is his true opinion and he is free to express it.
I also find it unconscionably insensitive, gross, and insulting to those of us who are mourning. And I don’t blame his employer not wanting to be associated with appalling sentiments like that.
A man you don’t like was murdered. Murdered.
Something is wrong with you if you can’t understand why “MAGA” would be grieved by this. But more importantly, you display a lack of humanity when you mock it.

Do you not remember Trump mocking Paul Pelosi being attacked in his own home with a hammer and his rally crowds laughing? Not once but over and over again. And on social media. Talk about lack of humanity. What Kimmel said isn’t even on the same scale as the abject cruelty displayed by Trump and many of his supporters.

Kilmeade literally said the homeless should be murdered and... crickets. A guy actually advocated for murder on TV, but Kimmel gets fired for pointing out MAGA is using Kirk's death for political points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What part of Kimmel's statement is factually incorrect. Is it not true that MAGA is saying the killer is not MAGA?

You are correct - MAGA is saying the killer is not MAGA. But the way Jimmy said it, it implied that the killer IS MAGA and that MAGA people know this and are just liars.

And I guess the MAGA people took that personally.

Because MAGA are bunch of overly emotional, fragile simpletons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This, as yet another example of firing behavior this week, should scare the $#!++ out of everyone. It should really affect everyone that comedians, news outlets, pundits, teachers, nurses, corporate workers are losing their jobs. It should scare you to death that people are being kidnapped in courthouses, at work, and on the street. It should scare you that research is being pulled and replaced, that history of slavery is being tossed out.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED to fully understand what is happening here?

It’s all in how you frame it.
Our Worldviews are completely different.
When a person publicly takes delight in another person’s murder just because they don’t like his message or don’t agree with his politics, employers don’t really appreciate being associated with them, because that person seems unstable and employers don’t want to lose business or alienate consumers and will worry that customers/consumers will think that your views represent the company’s stance. Most companies have a morality clause or some kind of PR clause where you agree not to engage in conduct that embarrassed the company. It’s at-will employment.

No one is being jailed here for their speech. (Unless democrats succeed in continuing to push the idea of “hate speech” being a special type of speech that isn’t protected under the first amendment—which is total BS-ALL speech should be protected and congress should not be allowed to make any laws to abridge your speech!)

The “kidnapping” thing is just fear-mongering. You know if you are here illegally or not.

Kimmel wasn't fired because ABC or the parent company were unhappy with what he said. And he wasn't taking delight in Kirk's death, at all, but was criticizing the way MAGA-ites have been using it for political gain. Yes he was wrong about the political affiliation of the shooter. But he's a comedian, not a news anchor, and he didn't assert it as an unassailable fact.

Kimmel was fired because Trump and his administration threatened the network with consequences if Kimmel was left on air. That's a government action, improperly using federal power to influence the personnel issues of a corporate entity because they didn't like the way someone at that company exercised their constitutional protected right to free speech. It's not okay.

Yes - how are so many missing this? And the owner of many stations who first announced it would pull Kimmel from its affiliate stations has a pending acquisition that needs government approval for. Just like CBS canning Colbert to curry favor to get the paramount acquisition through. Government fingerprints are all over this and it’s not okay.

This. First Amendment doesn't go away because the government uses intermediaries to its threats. If people honestly believed that, the Constitution is utterly useless (which, true, but there is on point precedent for this).

[Anonymous]

I don't like Kimmel, but this is absurd.

Shame on anyone that voted for Trump. You voted to end freedom of speech.

The idolatry of Kirk is beyond insane.

[Anonymous]

Americans don't even know how bad it's going to get. I hope you all like state owned media and standing in line for beans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This, as yet another example of firing behavior this week, should scare the $#!++ out of everyone. It should really affect everyone that comedians, news outlets, pundits, teachers, nurses, corporate workers are losing their jobs. It should scare you to death that people are being kidnapped in courthouses, at work, and on the street. It should scare you that research is being pulled and replaced, that history of slavery is being tossed out.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED to fully understand what is happening here?

It’s all in how you frame it.
Our Worldviews are completely different.
When a person publicly takes delight in another person’s murder just because they don’t like his message or don’t agree with his politics, employers don’t really appreciate being associated with them, because that person seems unstable and employers don’t want to lose business or alienate consumers and will worry that customers/consumers will think that your views represent the company’s stance. Most companies have a morality clause or some kind of PR clause where you agree not to engage in conduct that embarrassed the company. It’s at-will employment.

No one is being jailed here for their speech. (Unless democrats succeed in continuing to push the idea of “hate speech” being a special type of speech that isn’t protected under the first amendment—which is total BS-ALL speech should be protected and congress should not be allowed to make any laws to abridge your speech!)

The “kidnapping” thing is just fear-mongering. You know if you are here illegally or not.

Kimmel wasn't fired because ABC or the parent company were unhappy with what he said. And he wasn't taking delight in Kirk's death, at all, but was criticizing the way MAGA-ites have been using it for political gain. Yes he was wrong about the political affiliation of the shooter. But he's a comedian, not a news anchor, and he didn't assert it as an unassailable fact.

Kimmel was fired because Trump and his administration threatened the network with consequences if Kimmel was left on air. That's a government action, improperly using federal power to influence the personnel issues of a corporate entity because they didn't like the way someone at that company exercised their constitutional protected right to free speech. It's not okay.

Yes - how are so many missing this? And the owner of many stations who first announced it would pull Kimmel from its affiliate stations has a pending acquisition that needs government approval for. Just like CBS canning Colbert to curry favor to get the paramount acquisition through. Government fingerprints are all over this and it’s not okay.

Complete lie. There is no pending acquisition. Sinclair doesn't want to be affiliated with the hypocritical weirdo Kimmel. How or why you all think any station owner should be forced to keep that sexist gross person on air is beyond me. He should never have been on air all these years. Do you know anything about him? He's not even funny. At least Colbert is funny.

[Anonymous]

Tbh if the FCC is going to pressure ABC to fire a guy over political speech can’t they do it behind the scenes like they’re supposed to? Stop doing your hypocritical authoritarianism in public, f$&tards!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tbh if the FCC is going to pressure ABC to fire a guy over political speech can’t they do it behind the scenes like they’re supposed to? Stop doing your hypocritical authoritarianism in public, f$&tards!

They want the chilling effect, they want widespread fear.

[Anonymous]

I was at the dentist the other day and there was weird Trump propaganda on tv and I thought oh no, my dentist is MAGA. But it was actually just whatever weird local Sinclair thing came on after the regular morning show. So I can see this happening.

It sure doesn’t help to have the FCC chair publicly making threats though. Just small government, free speech conservative stuff lol.

[Anonymous]

The correct analogy to this incident is if Obama’s FCC Chair threatened to take away AM radio licenses if they didn’t pull Rush Limbaugh from the air.

Can you imagine the meltdown by “conservatives” if this happened?

This is authoritarianism punishing people for Wrong Think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just cancelled our holiday trip to Disney.

You won’t be missed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I bet ABC has been looking for a reason to pull him off and break His contract anyway. He spends his summer off air, and they can get a celebrity to guest host easily each week. I’m sure it’s a lot better for ABC financially, and the guest hosts are less app to make controversial statements.

The networks lose money on late night. They mainly each have a flagship show because the other networks do. I can imagine NBC is next.

I don't think this was the moment for it. I think all the media execs in the US are desperately trying to stay in Trump's good graces and Bob Iger caved. He doesn't want Disney in the cross hairs of Trump.