Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

The bolded is BS.
And, if they are present illegally, they are open to deportation. That is the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

The bolded is BS.
And, if they are present illegally, they are open to deportation. That is the law.

Its not BS, there are scores of documented cases. If you aren't familiar with them, then you need new sources of information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

MAGAs don’t care. They are racist sociopaths, America’s Taliban, who would hack off the hand of someone trying to feed their family without a second thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

The bolded is BS.
And, if they are present illegally, they are open to deportation. That is the law.

There have been several documented instances of ICE harassing and detaining US citizens. Step outside your house without your wallet and ID and you tooould be disappeared to South Sudan, if your skin is the wrong color. Sorry but the stories and proof is out there and can not be denied or shrugged off as “BS” by some MAGA in denial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

The bolded is BS.
And, if they are present illegally, they are open to deportation. That is the law.

There have been several documented instances of ICE harassing and detaining US citizens. Step outside your house without your wallet and ID and you tooould be disappeared to South Sudan, if your skin is the wrong color. Sorry but the stories and proof is out there and can not be denied or shrugged off as “BS” by some MAGA in denial.

You are so FOS.
Why are you so damned opposed to detaining and deporting or imprisoning criminal illegal migrants?
And, your effort to scare people of color - particularly legal immigrants - is not working.
You folks are on the totally wrong side of this issue.....

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-immigration-immigrant-voters-2084425
Immigrants Are Embracing Trump's Crackdown on Immigration
New data shows a growing number of immigrant voters are backing Donald Trump and his hardline immigration agenda—marking a dramatic reversal from past elections.
According to an analysis of the American National Election Studies (ANES) by CNN's Harry Enten, immigrant voters, who favored Democrats by 32 points on immigration policy in 2020, now trust Republicans more on the issue by 8 points—a staggering 40-point swing.

Trump's share of the immigrant vote has steadily increased—from 36 percent in 2016 to 39 percent in 2020 and now to 47 percent in 2024, based on Cooperative Election Study (CES) data analyzed by Enten.

Perhaps even more telling is how immigrant voters feel about immigrants who are in the country illegally. In 2020, their net favorability stood at +23 points. This year that has flipped to -6—a 29-point decline in support for undocumented immigrants among immigrants themselves. Enten did not specify which demographics were included in his aggregate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently migrant farm workers are back on the deportation list--no special status for them, despite Trump saying several times that something would be worked out so that farmers wouldn't be affected.

Who will replace them you might ask? Robots and people on Medicaid, according to Brooke Rollins, Sec. of Agriculture.

Rollins is an amnesty supporter.
No amnesty here is the Pence touchback proposal.
The illegal immigrants leaves, then comes back on a guestworker visa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

The bolded is BS.
And, if they are present illegally, they are open to deportation. That is the law.

There have been several documented instances of ICE harassing and detaining US citizens. Step outside your house without your wallet and ID and you tooould be disappeared to South Sudan, if your skin is the wrong color. Sorry but the stories and proof is out there and can not be denied or shrugged off as “BS” by some MAGA in denial.

You are so FOS.
Why are you so damned opposed to detaining and deporting or imprisoning criminal illegal migrants?
And, your effort to scare people of color - particularly legal immigrants - is not working.
You folks are on the totally wrong side of this issue.....

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-immigration-immigrant-voters-2084425
Immigrants Are Embracing Trump's Crackdown on Immigration
New data shows a growing number of immigrant voters are backing Donald Trump and his hardline immigration agenda—marking a dramatic reversal from past elections.
According to an analysis of the American National Election Studies (ANES) by CNN's Harry Enten, immigrant voters, who favored Democrats by 32 points on immigration policy in 2020, now trust Republicans more on the issue by 8 points—a staggering 40-point swing.

Trump's share of the immigrant vote has steadily increased—from 36 percent in 2016 to 39 percent in 2020 and now to 47 percent in 2024, based on Cooperative Election Study (CES) data analyzed by Enten.

Perhaps even more telling is how immigrant voters feel about immigrants who are in the country illegally. In 2020, their net favorability stood at +23 points. This year that has flipped to -6—a 29-point decline in support for undocumented immigrants among immigrants themselves. Enten did not specify which demographics were included in his aggregate.

Stop lying and start getting your news from somewhere other than Newsmax and OAN. US citizens ABSOLUTELY HAVE been wrongfully harassed and detained by ICE. Your post DOES NOT change that reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As of June 28, a full 32% of the people arrested by ICE and sent to detention had NO CRIMINAL RECORD — no pending criminal charges or prior conviction. This rate doubled since Stephen Miller's quotas began in May.

This is likely the highest rate of such detention in ICE's history.

https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3lthger5gzc2y

An illegal alien does not need to have a criminal record to be detained and deported.

This all shows that Trump, Noem, Miller and others were lying through their teeth when they claimed they were prioritizing violent felons.

68% are violent felons.

This is 68% of a much larger group of immigration arrests.

This is false. Just because 32% have no prior criminal or court records does NOT mean the remaining 68% are “VIoLeNt FeLOnS!!!” A prior criminal or court record DOES NOT automatically translate into violent felonies. Violent felonies are just a subset of criminal and court records. Stop being so dishonest. They weren’t eating cats and dogs either. You people just keep falling all over yourselves with your vicious lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently migrant farm workers are back on the deportation list--no special status for them, despite Trump saying several times that something would be worked out so that farmers wouldn't be affected.

Who will replace them you might ask? Robots and people on Medicaid, according to Brooke Rollins, Sec. of Agriculture.

Rollins is an amnesty supporter.
No amnesty here is the Pence touchback proposal.
The illegal immigrants leaves, then comes back on a guestworker visa.

Why haven’t we seen any Trump proposals to issue visas on the scale and timeframe needed to keep American farms and businesses from suffering?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently migrant farm workers are back on the deportation list--no special status for them, despite Trump saying several times that something would be worked out so that farmers wouldn't be affected.

Who will replace them you might ask? Robots and people on Medicaid, according to Brooke Rollins, Sec. of Agriculture.

Rollins is an amnesty supporter.
No amnesty here is the Pence touchback proposal.
The illegal immigrants leaves, then comes back on a guestworker visa.

Why haven’t we seen any Trump proposals to issue visas on the scale and timeframe needed to keep American farms and businesses from suffering?

Because he is not in charge of our immigration policy. And I don't say this sarcastically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

The bolded is BS.
And, if they are present illegally, they are open to deportation. That is the law.

There have been several documented instances of ICE harassing and detaining US citizens. Step outside your house without your wallet and ID and you tooould be disappeared to South Sudan, if your skin is the wrong color. Sorry but the stories and proof is out there and can not be denied or shrugged off as “BS” by some MAGA in denial.

You are so FOS.
Why are you so damned opposed to detaining and deporting or imprisoning criminal illegal migrants?
And, your effort to scare people of color - particularly legal immigrants - is not working.
You folks are on the totally wrong side of this issue.....

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-immigration-immigrant-voters-2084425
[b]Immigrants Are Embracing Trump's Crackdown on Immigration
New data shows a growing number of immigrant voters are backing Donald Trump and his hardline immigration agenda—marking a dramatic reversal from past elections.
According to an analysis of the American National Election Studies (ANES) by CNN's Harry Enten, immigrant voters, who favored Democrats by 32 points on immigration policy in 2020, now trust Republicans more on the issue by 8 points—a staggering 40-point swing.

Trump's share of the immigrant vote has steadily increased—from 36 percent in 2016 to 39 percent in 2020 and now to 47 percent in 2024, based on Cooperative Election Study (CES) data analyzed by Enten.

Perhaps even more telling is how immigrant voters feel about immigrants who are in the country illegally. In 2020, their net favorability stood at +23 points. This year that has flipped to -6—a 29-point decline in support for undocumented immigrants among immigrants themselves. Enten did not specify which demographics were included in his aggregate.

This is where your argument fails. Democrats are not opposed to deporting people who shouldn't be here. In fact, Obama and Biden deported at a higher rate than Trump did. The problem right now is that ICE is capturing people off the streets and without due process, shipping them off to foreign gulags. Trump said there were millions of criminals in the US illegally. Fine, go get them and deport them. Snatching people off the streets are who are going through the process legally, or who are green card holder or who are otherwise not criminals is simply cruel. But the cruelty is the point, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently migrant farm workers are back on the deportation list--no special status for them, despite Trump saying several times that something would be worked out so that farmers wouldn't be affected.

Who will replace them you might ask? Robots and people on Medicaid, according to Brooke Rollins, Sec. of Agriculture.

Rollins is an amnesty supporter.
No amnesty here is the Pence touchback proposal.
The illegal immigrants leaves, then comes back on a guestworker visa.

Why haven’t we seen any Trump proposals to issue visas on the scale and timeframe needed to keep American farms and businesses from suffering?

Because he is not in charge of our immigration policy. And I don't say this sarcastically.

From a recent article about Miller:

Mr. Miller is more obdurate when it comes to domestic policy, particularly immigration. For Mr. Trump’s second term, he has led the president to stake out a series of maximalist positions, from the ICE raids to the use of the Alien Enemies Act to raising the possibility of suspending habeas corpus for people suspected of being undocumented immigrants. Mr. Trump seems to enjoy having Mr. Miller play the heavy on immigration. During his first term, he jokingly told people who urged him to take more moderate stances on immigration that Mr. Miller would never go for them. Last year, he reportedly quipped during a campaign meeting that if it was up to Mr. Miller, the population of the United States would be only 100 million people and they’d all resemble Mr. Miller. The humor, however, underscores something serious: On immigration, Millerism is a more consistent ideology than Trumpism.

While Mr. Miller is an ardent restrictionist, seeking to reduce all immigration to the United States, Mr. Trump has at times backed H-1B visas for skilled foreign workers; created a wait-list for a proposed special visa, called a Trump Gold Card, that wealthy immigrants could buy for $5 million apiece; and expressed regret about the impact ICE raids were having on the agriculture and hospitality industries. Indeed, the backlash to the ICE raids was so great that in early June, Mr. Trump reversed himself and declared the agriculture and hospitality sectors off-limits to that sort of strict immigration enforcement — before, after intense lobbying from Mr. Miller, he reversed himself again. Still, the hiccup was enough to hint at a broader potential rupture, especially if Mr. Miller’s immigration policies continue to prove unpopular. A recent Quinnipiac poll found that 57 percent of Americans disapprove of Mr. Trump’s handling of immigration, once his greatest political strength.

For the moment, though, it seems Mr. Miller and Mr. Trump are aligned — and that means Mr. Miller has achieved a level of success, and satisfaction, that he didn’t dream of during Mr. Trump’s first term. Last year, in another podcast interview with Mr. Travis and Mr. Sexton, Mr. Miller told the two hosts what to expect if Mr. Trump returned to the White House. “You will wake up every morning so excited to get out of bed to see what’s happening on the border, to see what’s happening with immigration enforcement, you’ll set your alarm clock two hours earlier every morning just to get two more hours of daylight to watch the deportation flights happen,” he said. “That’s how excited you’ll be. That’s how wonderful this will be.”

The Ruthless Ambition of Stephen Miller
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/07/opinion/stephen-miller.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

The bolded is BS.
And, if they are present illegally, they are open to deportation. That is the law.

There have been several documented instances of ICE harassing and detaining US citizens. Step outside your house without your wallet and ID and you tooould be disappeared to South Sudan, if your skin is the wrong color. Sorry but the stories and proof is out there and can not be denied or shrugged off as “BS” by some MAGA in denial.

You are so FOS.
Why are you so damned opposed to detaining and deporting or imprisoning criminal illegal migrants?
And, your effort to scare people of color - particularly legal immigrants - is not working.
You folks are on the totally wrong side of this issue.....

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-immigration-immigrant-voters-2084425
[b]Immigrants Are Embracing Trump's Crackdown on Immigration
New data shows a growing number of immigrant voters are backing Donald Trump and his hardline immigration agenda—marking a dramatic reversal from past elections.
According to an analysis of the American National Election Studies (ANES) by CNN's Harry Enten, immigrant voters, who favored Democrats by 32 points on immigration policy in 2020, now trust Republicans more on the issue by 8 points—a staggering 40-point swing.

Trump's share of the immigrant vote has steadily increased—from 36 percent in 2016 to 39 percent in 2020 and now to 47 percent in 2024, based on Cooperative Election Study (CES) data analyzed by Enten.

Perhaps even more telling is how immigrant voters feel about immigrants who are in the country illegally. In 2020, their net favorability stood at +23 points. This year that has flipped to -6—a 29-point decline in support for undocumented immigrants among immigrants themselves. Enten did not specify which demographics were included in his aggregate.

This is where your argument fails. Democrats are not opposed to deporting people who shouldn't be here. In fact, Obama and Biden deported at a higher rate than Trump did. The problem right now is that ICE is capturing people off the streets and without due process, shipping them off to foreign gulags. Trump said there were millions of criminals in the US illegally. Fine, go get them and deport them. Snatching people off the streets are who are going through the process legally, or who are green card holder or who are otherwise not criminals is simply cruel. But the cruelty is the point, right?

There are 1.3M illegally present migrants that received their due process and have final removal orders. How do you know these people they are capturing don’t have a final removal order?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so DCUMers know, the people you love to vilify were some of the first boots on the ground after the tragic Texas flood.

The U.S. Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue Unit (BORSTAR), which is part of their Special Operations Group (SOG), flew in to help with the rescue and recovery of victims. As the caption on their Instagram post says, "Relentless, because every life matters."

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLy0rBfsHcY/?igsh=cmJnMnYwNXcwa2Rt

Here's some background on BORSTAR.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Search%2C%20Trauma%2C%20and%20Rescue.pdf

34% of the people these fine officers are detaining are not criminals at all. Some of them are even US born citizens. Maybe if they took more care to actually get warrants on the actual bad guys, rather than sweeping up people at courthouses and Home Depot's, they would gain more sympathy and support. As it is, they are no better than the Gestapo.

The bolded is BS.
And, if they are present illegally, they are open to deportation. That is the law.

There have been several documented instances of ICE harassing and detaining US citizens. Step outside your house without your wallet and ID and you tooould be disappeared to South Sudan, if your skin is the wrong color. Sorry but the stories and proof is out there and can not be denied or shrugged off as “BS” by some MAGA in denial.

You are so FOS.
Why are you so damned opposed to detaining and deporting or imprisoning criminal illegal migrants?
And, your effort to scare people of color - particularly legal immigrants - is not working.
You folks are on the totally wrong side of this issue.....

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-immigration-immigrant-voters-2084425
[b]Immigrants Are Embracing Trump's Crackdown on Immigration
New data shows a growing number of immigrant voters are backing Donald Trump and his hardline immigration agenda—marking a dramatic reversal from past elections.
According to an analysis of the American National Election Studies (ANES) by CNN's Harry Enten, immigrant voters, who favored Democrats by 32 points on immigration policy in 2020, now trust Republicans more on the issue by 8 points—a staggering 40-point swing.

Trump's share of the immigrant vote has steadily increased—from 36 percent in 2016 to 39 percent in 2020 and now to 47 percent in 2024, based on Cooperative Election Study (CES) data analyzed by Enten.

Perhaps even more telling is how immigrant voters feel about immigrants who are in the country illegally. In 2020, their net favorability stood at +23 points. This year that has flipped to -6—a 29-point decline in support for undocumented immigrants among immigrants themselves. Enten did not specify which demographics were included in his aggregate.

This is where your argument fails. Democrats are not opposed to deporting people who shouldn't be here. In fact, Obama and Biden deported at a higher rate than Trump did. The problem right now is that ICE is capturing people off the streets and without due process, shipping them off to foreign gulags. Trump said there were millions of criminals in the US illegally. Fine, go get them and deport them. Snatching people off the streets are who are going through the process legally, or who are green card holder or who are otherwise not criminals is simply cruel. But the cruelty is the point, right?

There are 1.3M illegally present migrants that received their due process and have final removal orders. How do you know these people they are capturing don’t have a final removal order?

Highly unlikely that ICE is that organized that everyone they are capturing on the streets have final deportation orders.

[Anonymous]

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How is it reasonable to ship someone to Sudan for the crime of trying to feed their family?

Sounds like you don't think they should be deported anywhere.

DP. I can't speak for the PP but I think the choice of Sudan is very troubling given that it's undergoing a civil war and a humanitarian crisis. Things are so bad there that the U.S. Embassy in Khartoum has suspended operations.

All administrations have deported migrants from countries that wouldn't take them back to third countries, but those third countries tended to be more politically stable, like Mexico, Guatemala, or Costa Rica. Sending someone who is not from there to Sudan, Djibouti, or CECOT in El Salvador is not reasonable. Justices Sotomayor and Jackson recently argued that deporting migrants to a war-torn country like South Sudan risked torture or death, violating international obligations like the Convention Against Torture. The administration’s decision to hold the migrants in Djibouti was also criticized for subjecting them and the ICE officers guarding them to harsh conditions, including extreme heat and threats of rocket attacks.

It is not Sudan where they are being sent, but South Sudan which is not in a civil war, but separated from Sudan about 15 years ago as part of the civil war. The government there will not be submitting anyone to torture or death, so Convention Against Torture does not apply.
The only reason they had to hold them in Djibouti was because this federal judge illegally issued an injunction, and the higher courts took to long to overturn the lawlessness.

Oh, I see, well then that makes it all good then. Thank you for the clarification. South Sudan sounds lovely.

State Department Travel Advisory on South Sudan

Updated to reflect ordered departure of non-emergency U.S. government personnel due to continued security threats in South Sudan.

Do not travel to South Sudan due to crime, kidnapping, and armed conflict.

Country Summary: Due to the risks in the country, on March 08, 2025, the Department of State ordered the departure of non-emergency U.S. government employees from South Sudan.

Armed conflict is ongoing and includes fighting between various political and ethnic groups. Weapons are readily available to the population. In addition, cattle raids occur throughout the country and often lead to violence.

Violent crime, such as carjackings, shootings, ambushes, assaults, robberies, and kidnappings are common throughout South Sudan, including Juba. Foreign nationals have been the victims of rape, sexual assault, armed robberies, and other violent crimes.

Reporting in South Sudan without the proper documentation from the South Sudanese Media Authority is considered illegal, and any journalistic work there is very dangerous. Journalists regularly report being harassed in South Sudan, and many have been killed while covering the conflict.

The U.S. government has limited ability to provide emergency consular services to U.S. citizens in South Sudan. U.S. government personnel working in South Sudan are under a strict curfew. They must use armored vehicles for nearly all movements, and official travel outside Juba is limited. Due to the critical crime threat in Juba, walking is also restricted; when allowed, it is limited to a small area in the immediate vicinity of the Embassy and during daylight hours only. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has issued a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) and/or a Special Federal Aviation Regulation (SFAR). This is due to risks to civil aviation operating within or in the vicinity of South Sudan. For more information U.S. citizens should consult the Federal Aviation Administration’s Prohibitions, Restrictions and Notices. Read the country information page for additional information on travel to South Sudan.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/south-sudan-travel-advisory.html

There is no protection under the Convention Against Torture. Risk of crime, kidnapping, and armed conflict is not torture. It just means it is not a nice country to be in. Illegal immigrants don't get to take advantage of the law and their home country's refusal to take them back to say in America.

Crossing a border into the US is a civil violation, not a crime, and those who do so should not be treated as criminals.

The civil remedy for crossing the border is detention and deportation. It is righting a wrong, not a punishment.