King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?

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Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

You haven't offered any alternatives, which suggests that any alternatives you'd offer would be less plausible and wouldn't pass the smell test.

And you keep saying CHS parents would scream when what you really mean is WHS parents don't want *certain* kids from CHS.

Ha, I can totally tell you don't live in the area. CHS is Chantilly.

Now you're just being stupid by trying to enforce your personal acronyms. Where is it written that CHS can only refer to Chantilly and all references to Centreville must be CVHS?

Wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centreville_High_School_(Fairfax_County,_Virginia)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the more kids you suggest moving, the more unhappy parents you will have. Sure, they aren't YOUR kids so on paper it makes sense to YOU to move kids from FHS to CVHS, from CHS to WFHS, from CVHS to WFHS to "fill seats".

Come up with a proposal that moves the fewest kids and doesn't make any existing school worse off.

(The only people who want to move are the families hoping to upgrade from Westfield to a nice new school or from the drive to Oakton to a nice new school.)

I get what you’re saying, but the location of the school is unfortunate in that it’s smack dab in the middle of Westfield boundaries. Let’s say they turn Floris into a split feeder, since it shares a boundary with the rest of Westfield. Much of Floris is Dulles Airport and business parks. The SPAs can be viewed from the Coates study (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf) The closest SPAs that border Westfield are less than 10 students each, and the one with actual students in it is in the walk zone for Carson and KAA.

1.While KAA is within the Westfield boundary It is separated from Westfield by Dulles Airport, commercial areas, and industrial and warehouse areas. I would not call it in the "smack dab in the middle of Westfield boundary."
2.Floris is ALREADY a split feeder with South Lakes.
3.I don't understand your SPA analysis. I think you missed those neighborhoods along West Ox that are Floris/Westfield. The ones along Monroe go to South Lakes.

To clarify, the least disruptive option is to keep more kids at Westfield so you don’t have to move other schools to backfill Westfield when it loses 3 elementary schools worth of students to KAA. The problem is, Westfield’s current boundaries are divided by an airport and business parks. The SPAs that unite Floris with the rest of the Westfield boundary are huge and have few students (less than a kid per grade.) My point is there’s no obvious path for keeping kids currently zoned to Westfield at Westfield, when the areas currently zoned to Westfield would have to drive past KAA to attend Westfield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

You haven't offered any alternatives, which suggests that any alternatives you'd offer would be less plausible and wouldn't pass the smell test.

And you keep saying CHS parents would scream when what you really mean is WHS parents don't want *certain* kids from CHS.

Ha, I can totally tell you don't live in the area. CHS is Chantilly.

Now you're just being stupid by trying to enforce your personal acronyms. Where is it written that CHS can only refer to Chantilly and all references to Centreville must be CVHS?

Wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centreville_High_School_(Fairfax_County,_Virginia)

LOL! Anyone who lives in Centreville and Chantilly knows these acronyms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

Let's be real, hundreds of middle class kids would transfer out in this scenario, as there would be very few advanced courses being offered. So maybe 1600 kids would show up for the first day.

Oh, please. Look at the numbers of FARMS being pulled out of Westfield. Higher than those suggested to go in.

Mathematically, no. The 31---->37% percent math is correct.

[Anonymous]

Yep. Soccer practice is at "CVHS practice field". Tennis is at "CHS courts". etc etc etc. Everyone knows what that means.

Interesting that you have such strong opinions on local school boundaries when you don't live here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

You haven't offered any alternatives, which suggests that any alternatives you'd offer would be less plausible and wouldn't pass the smell test.

And you keep saying CHS parents would scream when what you really mean is WHS parents don't want *certain* kids from CHS.

Ha, I can totally tell you don't live in the area. CHS is Chantilly.

Now you're just being stupid by trying to enforce your personal acronyms. Where is it written that CHS can only refer to Chantilly and all references to Centreville must be CVHS?

Wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centreville_High_School_(Fairfax_County,_Virginia)

LOL! Anyone who lives in Centreville and Chantilly knows these acronyms.

Click on the link within. Even Wikipedia says it is CVHS. But, I agree that anyone familiar in the area knows that--except, maybe, someone with younger kids.

[Anonymous]

I don't think the SB will move all three of those schools out of Westfield b/c it would decrease enrollment too much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think the SB will move all three of those schools out of Westfield b/c it would decrease enrollment too much.

They will replace them with other schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

Let's be real, hundreds of middle class kids would transfer out in this scenario, as there would be very few advanced courses being offered. So maybe 1600 kids would show up for the first day.

A school with fewer than 1900 kids and 37% FARMs will offer almost no AP courses. Principals are told a class must have 30 or 35 students to offer it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

Where do you think these kids are going to come from when all the schools near Westfield have a lot of ELL/FARMS kids? Did you wake up one morning and think you were living in Great Falls?

If you pull three feeders out of Westfield, you need to move someone into Westfield. Brookfield is high FARMS (58%). Lees Corner and Poplar Tree are too close to Chantilly to move. Powell is too close to Centreville to move. So you're basically left with Bull Run (43% FARMS) or Centre Ridge (50% FARMS). As between the two, Bull Run is already a split feeder to Westfield and Centreville and makes more sense. And they can send all of Cub Run to Westfield as well.

Honestly, it's starting to get amusing that you can get so enthusiastic about FCPS dropping $150 million to buy KAA because it's a "win" for western Fairfax, and then want to avoid the ramifications.

Lees Corner is on the other side of Rt-50, which means no walkers. Parents will argue their kids can bike to school. Thru has already been chiseling into their boundaries to balance Chantilly populations. That’d be my guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the more kids you suggest moving, the more unhappy parents you will have. Sure, they aren't YOUR kids so on paper it makes sense to YOU to move kids from FHS to CVHS, from CHS to WFHS, from CVHS to WFHS to "fill seats".

Come up with a proposal that moves the fewest kids and doesn't make any existing school worse off.

(The only people who want to move are the families hoping to upgrade from Westfield to a nice new school or from the drive to Oakton to a nice new school.)

I get what you’re saying, but the location of the school is unfortunate in that it’s smack dab in the middle of Westfield boundaries. Let’s say they turn Floris into a split feeder, since it shares a boundary with the rest of Westfield. Much of Floris is Dulles Airport and business parks. The SPAs can be viewed from the Coates study (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf) The closest SPAs that border Westfield are less than 10 students each, and the one with actual students in it is in the walk zone for Carson and KAA.

1.While KAA is within the Westfield boundary It is separated from Westfield by Dulles Airport, commercial areas, and industrial and warehouse areas. I would not call it in the "smack dab in the middle of Westfield boundary."
2.Floris is ALREADY a split feeder with South Lakes.
3.I don't understand your SPA analysis. I think you missed those neighborhoods along West Ox that are Floris/Westfield. The ones along Monroe go to South Lakes.

To clarify, the least disruptive option is to keep more kids at Westfield so you don’t have to move other schools to backfill Westfield when it loses 3 elementary schools worth of students to KAA. The problem is, Westfield’s current boundaries are divided by an airport and business parks. The SPAs that unite Floris with the rest of the Westfield boundary are huge and have few students (less than a kid per grade.) My point is there’s no obvious path for keeping kids currently zoned to Westfield at Westfield, when the areas currently zoned to Westfield would have to drive past KAA to attend Westfield.

This is exactly right. Coates and McNair are north of Floris, and KAA is located in the Floris district.

Given how much they've prioritized the elimination of attendance islands, how could they keep those schools at Westfield if Floris is going to move to KAA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

Let's be real, hundreds of middle class kids would transfer out in this scenario, as there would be very few advanced courses being offered. So maybe 1600 kids would show up for the first day.

Oh, please. Look at the numbers of FARMS being pulled out of Westfield. Higher than those suggested to go in.

Mathematically, no. The 31---->37% percent math is correct.

Bull Run is 43%
Cub Run is 22%

Coates is 50%
McNair is 30%
Floris is 14%--however, the number is higher for those in current Westfield boundary. Remember, much of Floris goes to South Lakes and does not include the multi-family housing that is in boundary for Westfield.

How do you get the number going up? You are removing more high FARMS than you are adding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the SB will move all three of those schools out of Westfield b/c it would decrease enrollment too much.

They will replace them with other schools.

That's a lot more disruptive, though, and upsets a lot more families. Leaving a school at the school they currently attend is MUCH easier politically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think the SB will move all three of those schools out of Westfield b/c it would decrease enrollment too much.

They will replace them with other schools.

That's a lot more disruptive, though, and upsets a lot more families. Leaving a school at the school they currently attend is MUCH easier politically.

Agree. Leaving Floris or McNair or Coates kids at Westfield is a LOT easier politically than moving Lees Corner or Poplar Tree from Chantilly to Westfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think the SB will move all three of those schools out of Westfield b/c it would decrease enrollment too much.

They will replace them with other schools.

That's a lot more disruptive, though, and upsets a lot more families. Leaving a school at the school they currently attend is MUCH easier politically.

So, you would keep kids on the school bus down the 28 race track because of politics?