King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

You haven't offered any alternatives, which suggests that any alternatives you'd offer would be less plausible and wouldn't pass the smell test.

And you keep saying CHS parents would scream when what you really mean is WHS parents don't want *certain* kids from CHS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the more kids you suggest moving, the more unhappy parents you will have. Sure, they aren't YOUR kids so on paper it makes sense to YOU to move kids from FHS to CVHS, from CHS to WFHS, from CVHS to WFHS to "fill seats".

Come up with a proposal that moves the fewest kids and doesn't make any existing school worse off.

(The only people who want to move are the families hoping to upgrade from Westfield to a nice new school or from the drive to Oakton to a nice new school.)

Maybe, just maybe, the people who want to move to KAA want to move there so they can go to a school near where they live.

Look at the map: those schools being considered for KAA are separated from Westfield by Dulles Airport, industrial facilties, and commercial facilities. They are not part of the Westfield community. They are not connected in any way to other Westfield students.

As for the numbers, it is 2 and a half schools that would be removed from Westfield. It is likely that the FARMS numbers at Westfield will improve as a result:
Coates: 50% FARMS
McNair: 30% FARMS
Floris: only 14%, but it is likely that much of that 14% is included in the Westfield boundary rather than the South Lakes boundary. Much of Floris goes to South Lakes. My guess is that of the Floris kids going to Westfield that the number is 20%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the more kids you suggest moving, the more unhappy parents you will have. Sure, they aren't YOUR kids so on paper it makes sense to YOU to move kids from FHS to CVHS, from CHS to WFHS, from CVHS to WFHS to "fill seats".

Come up with a proposal that moves the fewest kids and doesn't make any existing school worse off.

(The only people who want to move are the families hoping to upgrade from Westfield to a nice new school or from the drive to Oakton to a nice new school.)

I get what you’re saying, but the location of the school is unfortunate in that it’s smack dab in the middle of Westfield boundaries. Let’s say they turn Floris into a split feeder, since it shares a boundary with the rest of Westfield. Much of Floris is Dulles Airport and business parks. The SPAs can be viewed from the Coates study (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf) The closest SPAs that border Westfield are less than 10 students each, and the one with actual students in it is in the walk zone for Carson and KAA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the more kids you suggest moving, the more unhappy parents you will have. Sure, they aren't YOUR kids so on paper it makes sense to YOU to move kids from FHS to CVHS, from CHS to WFHS, from CVHS to WFHS to "fill seats".

Come up with a proposal that moves the fewest kids and doesn't make any existing school worse off.

(The only people who want to move are the families hoping to upgrade from Westfield to a nice new school or from the drive to Oakton to a nice new school.)

Maybe, just maybe, the people who want to move to KAA want to move there so they can go to a school near where they live.

Look at the map: those schools being considered for KAA are separated from Westfield by Dulles Airport, industrial facilties, and commercial facilities. They are not part of the Westfield community. They are not connected in any way to other Westfield students.

As for the numbers, it is 2 and a half schools that would be removed from Westfield. It is likely that the FARMS numbers at Westfield will improve as a result:
Coates: 50% FARMS
McNair: 30% FARMS
Floris: only 14%, but it is likely that much of that 14% is included in the Westfield boundary rather than the South Lakes boundary. Much of Floris goes to South Lakes. My guess is that of the Floris kids going to Westfield that the number is 20%.

9:01 again: I mean that of the Floris kids going to Westfield that the FARMS number might be 20%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

You haven't offered any alternatives, which suggests that any alternatives you'd offer would be less plausible and wouldn't pass the smell test.

And you keep saying CHS parents would scream when what you really mean is WHS parents don't want *certain* kids from CHS.

Ha, I can totally tell you don't live in the area. CHS is Chantilly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

Let's be real, hundreds of middle class kids would transfer out in this scenario, as there would be very few advanced courses being offered. So maybe 1600 kids would show up for the first day.

[Anonymous]

This is why its always better to have high schools built when neighborhoods are built, so you don't end up with a school not nearby to anything or anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

Where do you think these kids are going to come from when all the schools near Westfield have a lot of ELL/FARMS kids? Did you wake up one morning and think you were living in Great Falls?

If you pull three feeders out of Westfield, you need to move someone into Westfield. Brookfield is high FARMS (58%). Lees Corner and Poplar Tree are too close to Chantilly to move. Powell is too close to Centreville to move. So you're basically left with Bull Run (43% FARMS) or Centre Ridge (50% FARMS). As between the two, Bull Run is already a split feeder to Westfield and Centreville and makes more sense. And they can send all of Cub Run to Westfield as well.

Honestly, it's starting to get amusing that you can get so enthusiastic about FCPS dropping $150 million to buy KAA because it's a "win" for western Fairfax, and then want to avoid the ramifications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

You haven't offered any alternatives, which suggests that any alternatives you'd offer would be less plausible and wouldn't pass the smell test.

And you keep saying CHS parents would scream when what you really mean is WHS parents don't want *certain* kids from CHS.

What are you talking about? Westfield doesn't want kids from Chantilly? That doesn't make sense. Chantilly is a much wealthier school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the more kids you suggest moving, the more unhappy parents you will have. Sure, they aren't YOUR kids so on paper it makes sense to YOU to move kids from FHS to CVHS, from CHS to WFHS, from CVHS to WFHS to "fill seats".

Come up with a proposal that moves the fewest kids and doesn't make any existing school worse off.

(The only people who want to move are the families hoping to upgrade from Westfield to a nice new school or from the drive to Oakton to a nice new school.)

I get what you’re saying, but the location of the school is unfortunate in that it’s smack dab in the middle of Westfield boundaries. Let’s say they turn Floris into a split feeder, since it shares a boundary with the rest of Westfield. Much of Floris is Dulles Airport and business parks. The SPAs can be viewed from the Coates study (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf) The closest SPAs that border Westfield are less than 10 students each, and the one with actual students in it is in the walk zone for Carson and KAA.

1.While KAA is within the Westfield boundary It is separated from Westfield by Dulles Airport, commercial areas, and industrial and warehouse areas. I would not call it in the "smack dab in the middle of Westfield boundary."
2.Floris is ALREADY a split feeder with South Lakes.
3.I don't understand your SPA analysis. I think you missed those neighborhoods along West Ox that are Floris/Westfield. The ones along Monroe go to South Lakes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

You haven't offered any alternatives, which suggests that any alternatives you'd offer would be less plausible and wouldn't pass the smell test.

And you keep saying CHS parents would scream when what you really mean is WHS parents don't want *certain* kids from CHS.

What are you talking about? Westfield doesn't want kids from Chantilly? That doesn't make sense. Chantilly is a much wealthier school.

I think PP is talking about Centreville, not Chantilly. Took me a moment to figure it out.

[Anonymous]

She thought "CHS" meant Centreville HS, because she's not local.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

You haven't offered any alternatives, which suggests that any alternatives you'd offer would be less plausible and wouldn't pass the smell test.

And you keep saying CHS parents would scream when what you really mean is WHS parents don't want *certain* kids from CHS.

Ha, I can totally tell you don't live in the area. CHS is Chantilly.

Now you're just being stupid by trying to enforce your personal acronyms. Where is it written that CHS can only refer to Chantilly and all references to Centreville must be CVHS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

Let's be real, hundreds of middle class kids would transfer out in this scenario, as there would be very few advanced courses being offered. So maybe 1600 kids would show up for the first day.

Oh, please. Look at the numbers of FARMS being pulled out of Westfield. Higher than those suggested to go in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

You haven't offered any alternatives, which suggests that any alternatives you'd offer would be less plausible and wouldn't pass the smell test.

And you keep saying CHS parents would scream when what you really mean is WHS parents don't want *certain* kids from CHS.

Ha, I can totally tell you don't live in the area. CHS is Chantilly.

Look at the post to which this post responded - it appeared that reference to CHS was to Centreville not Chantilly. Otherwise why would someone be referring to Chantilly there?